121091 PK MINCITY OF SHOREWOOD
PARR COMMISSION MEETING
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 10, 1991
M I N U T E S
CALL TO ORDER
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD
7:00 P.M.
Chairman Andrus called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
ROLL CALL
Present: Chairman Andrus, Commissioners Lindstrom, Vogel, Dzurak,
Laberee, and Wilson; Park Secretary Niccum; Council
Liaison Lewis and Administrator Hurm
Absent: Commissioner Christensen
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Lindstrom moved, Laberee seconded, to approve the minutes of
Tuesday, August 13, 1991, as written. Motion carried - 6/0.
CITYWIDE TRAIL PLAN
• Scott Harri and Bruce Chamberlain of Van Doren - Hazard -
Stallings, Inc. were present. Harri, an engineer, said Bruce had
authored the trail report, aided in planning, and worked on the
master plan.
Chamberlain passed out an amendment to the November Trail Plan,
stating that there were two major changes made, the trail width was
reduced from 8' to 6' and cost changes were made. The costs now
include not only actual construction costs but also allow for
legal, administrative, design and inspections fees, as well as an
additional allowance for additional contingencies that could occur
after a project is begun. Chamberlain discussed funding, stating
that it would be most cost effective if the trails could be worked
in along with the street improvement programs, this would also
allow them to be stretched over a longer period of time.
Commissioner Dzurak asked what trail priority would be.
Chamberlain said the trails are not prioritized because they are
involved with development. Chamberlain then asked the Commission
what their feeling is regarding the trails.
Laberee said he questioned if some of them will ever occur because
of steep grades, he didn't think there was enough room to do
switchbacks. Harri said that some areas of the trail can be
designated "Non- handicap ".
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Administrator Hurm said the City has not designated off - street
trails at this time because they are a low priority.
Dzurak said providing a trail along Covington Road is necessary for
safety reasons.
Hurm said there are MSA eligible trails, therefore some funding
could be provided by the General Fund and some by MSA funding.
Commissioner Vogel asked if the City would have to match the
funding provided. Hurm said the City is eligible for funding for
a 5' width, the City would be responsible for funding for
additional width.
Commissioner Lindstrom said he felt safety was a high priority.
Chamberlain suggested touching base with MnDOT and other cities.
He said if the trail plan was adopted now it could be forwarded to
MnDOT and other agencies so they could study it with the
possibility of including it in their future planning.
The Commission discussed the proposed Excelsior bridge and the
Christmas Lake intersection area.
• Chairman Andrus asked what happened to he estimated $2,000,000
cost? Council Liaison Lewis said he thought that cost was based
on either a 10' wide trail or separated trails. Lewis also
explained to the Commission that including the trail system under
MSA funding would shorten the length of road that could be done.
Harri said that there is very little cost for construction and
excavation, the highest individual cost is for paving.
The Commission and staff discussed the proposed referendum.
Andrus said he had talked to Koegler. They felt Spring was a bad
time because of the school referendum and the Presidential
Primary.They felt tha Febgurary or March of 1993 would be a good
time. Andrus suggested planning on a specific date... if the time
is bad the referendum can be stopped. He said promoting parks is
important.
Lindstrom said he felt the Commission and staff should have a Plan
B and a Plan C in case the referendum fails. Hurm agreed, he said
you need a Plan B to start on in case of failure.
Dzurak suggested doing a survey by calling residents to see what
their attitude is toward a referendum. He felt a marketing expert
should review the questions, then the Commission should do the
• calling.
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Lindstrom said he has talked to a couple residents that want to see
Silverwood Park done, and he would like to see this accomplished.
He wants to stay with 1992, not wait another year.
Laberee said if the school referendum fails, conditions could be
worse next year.
Dzurak didn't feel the meetings with the residents provided a lot
of information. He said if the referendum was set for 1993,
periodic telephone polls could be done.
Lewis said the school referendum may not affect the park
referendum, it all depends on whether people want to spend money on
parks.
The Commission discussed whether including the trail plan in the
referendum was a positive or negative move. They also discussed
the best time of the year to hold a referendum.
Hurm told the Park Commission that it was important to approach the
referendum realistically. He said there are already 4 elections
scheduled for 1992. He also questioned the interest in helping
with the referendum.
The Commission would like the cost per household of how much it
would cost to finish the parks, the trails, and the combination of
the two. Also possible costs eventually on a modified plan.
PARK PLANNER PRESENTATION - SCOTT HARRI /BRUCE CHAMBERLAIN - VAN
DOREN - HAZARD - STALLING, INC.
Scott Harri said that in February of 1990 he and Mark Koegler had
been interviewed for the position of Park Planner for the City of
Shorewood, at that time they agreed to provide planning services
• and implementation of an overall park plan in a cost efficient
manner. He said they have enjoyed their professional relationship
with the City and are still very interested in providing service to
RECOMMENDATION FOR 1992 CHAIRMAN
RECOMMENDATION FOR 1992 VICE - CHAIRMAN
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the City. He asked if there was anything the firm had failed to
accomplish, and if there were any questions or comments.
Laberee said the Park Commission's
Koegler, and he asked who would be
said during the transition period
then Chamberlain would become the
assist Chamberlain and they would
timely and speedy fashion.
relationship had been with Mark
the liaison to the City? Harri
both of them would be involved,
liaison. Harri said he would
try to accomplish projects in a
Harri is an engineer with 17 years of experience in the private
factor who has worked in the park development and implementation of
Freeman and Silverwood Parks. He has worked with the cities of
Chanhassen and Champlin.
Chamberlain, since January of 1991, has worked on the Park Plan and
the landscape plan for the water treatment plant. He has done a
lot of graphics on the master plans for the City of Chanhassen. He
is the facilitator and liaison for the City of Mound on their
downtown project. He has taken the landscape architect program and
has three years experience in master park planning and
facilitating.
Mrs. Vogel asked what Koegler had done. Harri said all three of
them worked on Shorewood projects, Mark would orchestrate and who
ever was best suited would do the work. Harri said there are six
people in the office with 9 -10 years of staff experience.
Harri lives in Eden Prairie. Chamberlain lives in Minneapolis.
Andrus said he felt two things were important, an engineering
capability and knowledge of the bond referendum process. Harri
said their firm is fully aware of various funding. He said
Chamberlain is an expert in implementation and the work he has been
doing is similar to referendum work. He said they could always
bring in a consultant if necessary.
MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR
Presentation by Koegler
Laberee said he felt they owe it to Koegler, and to
themselves, to hear a presentation from Koegler.
Lindstrom and Vogel made a point of stating agreement.
Park Capital Improvement Plan - Request for price update
Wilson expressed concern over whether the prices quoted
are up to date.
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MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR - Continued
City Engineer
Hurm said the Council has budgeted for a staff engineer
for early 1992.
Christmas Lake Access
Dzurak pointed out, for informational purposes, that when
the Christmas Lake Access came into being, there was a 7
year contract among The Christmas Lake Association, The
State of Minnesota by and through the Department of
Natural Resources, the City of Shorewood, and Robert
Fayfield governing horsepower on the lake. The contract
reads that during a seven year period the City and the
homeowners shall investigate and carefully consider
surface water use regulations for Christmas Lake which,
following the seven year period, shall be equally applied
to all persons using the surface water of the lake,
including residents riparian to Christmas Lake. If at the
end of the seven year period, there has been no
implementation of surface water use regulations, it is
• understood that the water access site shall be open to
boat and motor use by the general public without
restriction as to boat or motor size. The contract was
adopted on January 27, 1986. This means that on December
31, 1992, the lake will be open without restrictions if no
action is taken.
Debris Storage in Freeman Park
Laberee asked Administrator Hurm if there would be room on
the new Public Works site for storage. Hurm said yes.
Laberee said right now there are large dirt piles stored
in Freeman Park and it makes the park look grubby.
Freeman Park Entrance
Laberee also said some thought should be given to a
different entrance for Freeman Park, right now it is
extremely dangerous. The Commission agreed with Laberee's
statement and discussed various alternatives.
January Liaison
Dzurak offered to be the Council liaison for January.
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MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR - Continued
ADJOURNMENT
Lindstrom moved, Laberee seconded, to adjourn the meeting at 9:40
• PM. Motion carried unanimously.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED
Susan A. Niccum
Park Secretary
Park Commission Reappointment Recommendations to Council
MAYOR'
Barb Brancel
COUNCIL
Kristi Stover
Bob Gagne
Rob Daugherty
Daniel Lewis
CITY OF
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5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD • SHOREWOOD, MINNESOTA 55331 • (612) 474 -3236
MEMORANDUM
TO: PARK COMMISSION
FROM: SUE ;NICCUM
DATE: DECEMBER 5, 1991
RE: AGENDA ITEMS/INFORMATICN
Park Planner Status
• Mark Koegler has resigned from the firm of Van Doren
Hazard Stallings, and gone to work for HGI'(Hoisington
Group hc'. , Land Use.,Consultants, as Vice. President ,of
Planning and Landscape Arthitectural Services. Enclosed
- in the packet is a letter from him.
As the Park Commission you have ,a decision to, make so
that you can pass on a recommendation to ,,,the
Council...... Do you want,to continue using on
Koegler
as Park Planner, and go with a new company - or do you
want to remain with Van Doren Hazard Stallings and have
a different park planner?
Mark will, be at the meeting to follow through on, the
citywide trail plan, join in the referendum' discussion
at -the' request 'of � Administrator Hurm. He�,will then
leave. At our next meeting, January 14, 1992, Mark will
be present to tell you about his new firm and to answer
questions.
There will' also be two representatives from Van Doren
Hazard Stallings present., Scott Harri and `Bruce
Chamberlain'. They will tell you their plans and answer
questions.
A fter you have talked with both parties, on January 14
• 1992 you can discuss it and make a decision for Council
recommendation.
A Residential Community on Lake Minnetonka's South Shore
• MEMORANDUM TO PARR COMMISSION
12/5/91
Review Draft of Citywide Trail Plan
Enclosed in you packet you will also find the latest
draft of the Citywide Trail Plan. Please review this
before the meeting.
Recommendation for Chair /Vice Chair
You might prepare motions ahead of time to facilitate
these recommendations.
1991 Summary
Last year the Commission did a summary for 1990. If the
Commissioners will give some thought to the
questions/ statements below, and bring written information
to the meeting, I will consolidate the information into
a report for the next meeting.
What did the Park Commission accomplish?
• What didn't get accomplished?
1992 Goals and Objectives
Long Range Plans
I WISH YOU ALL A WONDERFUL HOLIDAY SEASON!
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*NOTES TO THE PARK COMMISSION•
THURSDAY, OCTOBER 3, 1991
CAPITAL PROJECT UPDATE
(NEW IMPROVEMENTS)
TITLES: ALL UPDATE TITLES CONSIST OF THREE PARTS, THE NAME OF THE PROJECT, THE PROJECT NUMBER (IF THERE IS
ONE), AND THE NAME OF THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS PROJECT.
BADGER PARK WARMING HOUSE 190 -1A /DON ZDRAZIL
The correct doors have just arrived. They will be installed some
time next week and the warming house will then be ready for the
season.
IRRIGATION - TONKA MEN'S CLUB LITTLE LEAGUE FIELD - FREEMAN PARK
MARK KOEGLER
Jim Latterner has still not hooked up the electrical system for the
irrigation. Obviously now a Spring project.
• BALLFIELD - TONKA MEN'S CLUB LITTLE LEAGUE - FREEMAN /MARK KOEGLER
Public Works Director Zdrazil and Park Planner Koegler met with
contractor John Perkins in early July regarding what remains to be
done on the field: picking up rock and blacktop, correcting the
grade on one section of the field, and reseeding. Perkins said he
would correct the problem on or after the middle of August. As of
October 2, nothing had been done. Mark will continue to try to
get the work done. Another Spring project.
IRRIGATION - NORTH FIELDS - FREEMAN PARK /90PK -1 1DON ZDRAZIL
Bill is paid............
OPERATING BUDGET UPDATE
(GENERAL MAINTENANCE AND SMALL PROJECTS)
CITY -WIDE TRAIL PLAN /PARK MARK KOEGLER
Park Planner Koegler will review the third draft of the trail plan
at our December 10th meeting.
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TRAFFIC CONTROL SIGNS - FREEMAN PARK - DON ZDRAZIL
Sue has given a map to Don showing sign locations. Speed limit and
no parking signs will be installed in early 1992.
SIGNS ACKNOWLEDGING DONATIONS - DON ZDRAZIL
All the signs have been installed except the drinking fountain
sign, which will be installed in the Spring. They are trying to
figure out how to attach sign to that type of surface.
CLEARING AND FINISHING TRAIL - FREEMAN PARK
• Public Works has cleared the area and used all the wood chips they
had. They did as much as their time schedule allowed.
MOW SILVERWOOD PARK SLIDING AREA BEFORE WINTER
This was not done, Public Work's time schedule did not allow it,
and then it snowed...........
GENERAL INFORMATION
MANOR WARMING HOUSE TRAILER
The trailer has been approved by the Council and is now sitting in
Manor Park. Public Works will prepare it for the skating season.
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