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CITY OF SHOREWOOD 5755 COUNTRY CLUB RD
PARK COMMISSION MEETING SHOREWOOD CITY HALL
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 9, 2014 7:00 P.M.
MINUTES
1. CONVENE PARK COMMISSION MEETING
Chair Mangold convened the meeting at 7:01 p.m.
A. Roll Call
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Present: Chair Mangold, Commissioners Dietz, Sawtell, and IscheCity Council
Liaison Woodruff; Finance Director Bruce DeJong and City Planner
Nielsen
Absent: Hartmann
B. Review Agenda
Sawtell moved to approve the agenda as amended: Item 8 will be removed from the agenda. Ische
seconded the motion. Motion carried 4-0.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A. Park Commission Meeting Minutes of November 25, 2014.
Ische moved to approve the minutes of the November 25, 2014 meeting as written. Dietz seconded the
motion. Motion carried 4-0.
3. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR
There were none.
4. PARK BUDGET COMPARISON WITH OTHER CITIES
Nielsen discussed changes made to the park budget comparison chart as recommended at the November
meeting. Mangold stated the closest cities for comparison to Shorewood are Deephaven and Wayzata.
Nielsen stated every city has a different percentage of land dedicated for parks.
5.CIP UPDATE
Nielsen discussed recent City Council approvals for tennis courts in several of the parks. Mangold stated
we need to determine where we will look at tennis court rehab down the road. He stated there are soil
issues at the Badger court that need to be addressed. Nielsen stated there may be a need for a total
reconstruction at some point. Ische stated in cases where there are bad soils, you basically have to rebuild
the court like a road.
Nielsen stated he had asked staff if there had been any complaints about people who wanted to use a court
and were unable to because of lessons. There were no complaints. He stated use schedules are regularly
posted.
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Ische asked if any courts will be painted for pickle ball. Nielsen stated one court will be painted.
Nielsen stated there is nothing standing in our way to get the contractors ready to go in the spring on the
tennis court rehabilitation.
Dietz asked if the drainage at Gideon Glen still needs to be repaired. Nielsen stated it does, and the permit
should be approved by the end of this year. He stated Public Works will do the drainage for about $5,000.
Mangold stated there isn’t any hockey replacement noted at Freeman on the CIP. The Commission had
discussed that it should go hand-in-hand with the removal of hockey at Badger. Woodruff stated from a
Council perspective, you don’t want to get a decision about Freeman until they are ready to decide what to
do with Badger. Mangold stated it still needs to be on the CIP somewhere.
Mangold stated the number for the Cathcart hockey boards is unrealistic. Nielsen stated as you get to the
year before the slotted year, you go out and get quotes for the scheduled work, and the amount gets
updated. We all know that is a low number. The question is whether a concrete base is needed. Mangold
stated it may be able to push it out as they do not appear to be in bad condition as compared to Badger. He
also wanted to make sure the Commission really looked at the items on the CIP during the park tour.
Dietz asked if the skate park rehab would involve replacing all the ramps. Nielsen stated the last direction
was to repair what is there. Dietz wondered if it would be an opportunity to move that and the water line
up. Commissioners discussed the skate pair repair. Commissioners agreed the repair would be moved up
to 2015. Nielsen stated he would start getting some quotes on the repairs and push the rehab out some
distance.
Mangold stated the water line was brought up at the City Council meeting. They also discussed the
parking lot upgrade at Freeman Park. Nielsen stated the plan is to do a drainage project in conjunction
with MCWD. Nielsen stated he would check into the $50,000 earmarked as it wasn’t enough to pave the
parking lot.
DeJong stated the capital outlay is the same amounts shown on the CIP. The funding includes a transfer
from the sale of the house to the south of City Hall. He discussed projections on park dedication fees. He
stated there is potential some would be waived in lieu of internal improvements on the golf course
development site.
Nielsen reminded the Commission that the potential bonding for improvements is also a possible funding
mechanism. It might be something the Commission might recommend to the City Council.
Ische asked when there will be a better grasp on the revenues from the golf course development. Nielsen
stated he believed it would be in the next six months. Ische stated decision-making could wait until that is
resolved. Woodruff recommended the Commission do its best to look at the needs and desires and work
with staff to make the necessary decisions. He explained that bonding often requires a referendum which
requires a ballot vote.
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Mangold stated we have always left the financing up to the City Council. Woodruff stated the Commission
should get the numbers firm for Badger Park. He stated he didn’t see us currently making any funding
decisions.
6. APPROVE AN AMENDMENT TO PARK DEDICATION FEES
Nielsen reviewed Shorewood’s park dedication fees in relation to other cities. He noted many cities go with
the statute-approved ten percent. Shorewood currently charges eight percent which is not unusual for a
low-density community. He stated the eight percent has not been used for a long time. Rather, a flat fee
has been charged. The recommendation is to increase the flat fee from $5,000 to $6,500. A request may
come to the Commission for a recommendation on the park dedication fees once the golf course property is
developed.
Dietz asked what the downside is giving ourselves more leeway and going to ten percent. Nielsen stated
whatever is charged must be based on needs. We cannot go to ten percent just because other cities charge
that much.
Dietz believed there is a need. Nielsen explained the rationale behind the percentage charged.
Mangold stated staff has done their homework regarding a justification and recommended a motion be
made.
Ische moved, seconded by Sawtell to recommend staff’s recommendation for a flat rate increase.
Motion carried 3-1. Dietz voted against the motion.
7. APPROVE CONCESSION AGREEMENT
Commissioners reviewed the concession agreement. Nielsen stated the agreement was referred to the City
Attorney as recommended by the Commission. He stated a non-conveyance clause has been added.
Commissioners discussed the need for a health department review and/or license. Woodruff stated this has
been discussed in the past.
Mangold stated we have had a good relationship with the vendor.
8. UPDATE ON PARK TO-DO LIST
This item will be carried over to January meeting.
9. NEW BUSINESS
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10. STAFF AND LIAISON REPORTS/UPDATES
A. City Council
Woodruff updated the Commission on recent City Council activity, including: volunteers are needed for Arctic
Fever, WSB will be moving forward with the east side of Smithtown Road’s trail, and there was a discussion
about the trail in conjunction with the sewer project in Excelsior.
B. Staff
11. ADJOURN
Dietz moved, Sawtell seconded, to adjourn the Park Commission Meeting of November 25, 2014 at
8:10 p.m. Motion carried 4-0.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Clare T. Link
Recorder