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12-10-15 Traffic Committee Agenda /z·ä E {w©;Þ7 ©EEz- /z··;; a;;·zm /Ò·©ä /Ò, w7 wÒ©7är 5;-;,;© r {w©;Þ7r ab t ta tIt /z·ä /Ò-z /w,;© TRAFFIC COMMITTEE MEETING THURSDAY, DECEMBER 10, 2015 5:30 pm Shorewood Council Chambers Committee Members: Facilitator: _____ Susanne Aspley _____ Chris Gehrke _____ Chuck Rickart, WSB Engineer _____ David Cooley _____ Sandy Finke _____ Jeff Coplan _____ Ed Hasek City Staff: _____ Kathy Curry _____ Ken Huskins _____ Teresa Elsbernd _____ John Mohn _____ Larry Brown, Public Works Director _____ Bob Gagne _____ Angela Nelson _____ Paul Hornby, City Engineer 1.Approve November 24, 2015 Meeting Minutes 2.County Club Road at Smithtown Road Concept Review 3.Yellowstone Trail / Lake Linden Drive Ideas/Concept Discussion a.3 to 4 minutes per committee member b.Pros/cons of each idea/concept 4.Next Meeting a.Topics b.Date 5.Adjourn CITY OF SHOREWOOD 5755 COUNTRY CLUB RD TRAFFIC COMMITTEE MEETING SHOREWOOD CITY HALL TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 24, 2015 5:30 P.M. MINUTES COMMITTEE MEMBERS: FACILITATOR: Susanne Aspley Sandy Finke Chuck Rickart, WSB Engineer Kathy Curry Ed Hasek Teresa Elsbernd Ken Huskins (teleconference) Chris Gehrke Jeff Coplan CITY STAFF Bob Gagne Angela Nelson Paul Hornby, City Engineer John Mohn David Cooley OTHERS PRESENT: Deb Siakel, City Councilmember 1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF 11-05-15 th Finke statedthe5 paragraph should read, Elsbernd . Rickart stated Ken Huskins would like to change the minutes on page 3, to strike the sentence Huskins stated he Road an - Huskins agreed the changes were his recommendations. Hasek believed it was him that made that the statement about 1-way traffic. Huskins stated he also recalled making the statement, but he was fine with the minutes , or both made the statement. Cooley stated he was not at the last meeting and had no recommended changes to the minutes. He did believe Smithtown has been totally eliminated from the prioritie and state where they live and what their priorities are. Elsbernd stated we will add Smithtown Road to the list. Cooley stated we also need to take into who will be living in the new development. Elsbernd suggested ss approval now. Further discussion took place, and it was agreed to add Smithtown Road and County Road 19 and Smithtown and Country Club Road intersections to the list on page 3 of the minutes. Gagne moved, Finke seconded to approve the minutes with the changes as recommended. Motion passed 11/1, with Huskins dissenting. 2. DISCUSSION Elsbernd noted she was asked to prepare the mission statement role of the traffic committee. She read the following that was distributed to the committee: Role of Traffic Committee Made up of volunteer citizens of Shorewood, the role of the Traffic Committee is to act as an advisory committee to the Council to identify possible solutions to the existing and anticipated increased traffic situation particularly as it relates to the development at MCC. Our role is NOT to figure out the TRAFFIC COMMITTEE MINUTES TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 24, 2015 4 PAGE 2 OF feasibility of or even how these suggestions might be implemented IF indeed they are acted upon by the Council. Our discussions should not be limited in any way. Mission To identify logical, safe and efficient ways to move traffic from the residential areas to the main thorough-fares, namely Hwy. 7 and southbound Hwy. 41 Chuck Rickart has also clarified a few points since the last meeting that I would like for you to be aware of prior to tomorrow. He informed Ken and me of the following two points of clarification: "As Paul Hornby indicated at the last meeting the primary task of the committee is to review traffic calming or traffic alternatives to specifically to the roads adjacent to the Minnetonka Country Club development including Smithtown Road, Country Club Road, Yellowstone Trail and Lake Linden Drive. Other priorities and budget outside of this area will be discussed with the Council at a retreat after st January 1." So, we will need to focus our discussions on these areas and not the Eureka intersection to Smithtown Rd., Freeman Park and the Cty. Rd. 19 and Pleasant Rd. concerns which were raised at the last meeting. In addition, the committee will need to look at issues as if the (MCC) development was constructed, with the requirements of the concept plan approval (i.e. they have to add an access to have a cul-de-sac length that meets planning requirements on the west side). The concept plan for the development went through an extensive review process and it was approved by the City Council." So, there cannot be any new access points from the MCC development onto Country Club Rd. which was offered as a possible solution to the "cut-through" and speed con Elsbernd clarified that those suggestions are off the table for discussion at this time. Hasek noted that the ideas the committee provides to Council need to have solid thought behind them; noting the committee needs to be thinking though ideas logically and pragmatically. He further stated he believes the mission statement needs to incto ideate and recommend after thoughtful discussion and consideration, unless the committee determines a mission t needed because the committee knows what it needs to do. Further discussion on the mission statement took place. Nelson suggested the committee knows what it needs to do to get the job done. She felt the committee was wasting a lot of time on these semantics. 2. Country Club Road Safety/Operation/Pedestrians Hasek noted Mattamy has applied for changes to their concept plan. He believed the have access to this. It was noted two additional lots were bein noted there will be a public hearing on December 1 for this chanCommittee members discussed how this might impact traffic. Elsbernd asked for clarification of a. Previous Studies b.Smithtown Road TRAFFIC COMMITTEE MINUTES TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 24, 2015 4 PAGE 3 OF Access points onto Smithtown Road were identified. Rickart was -to- date map has not been provided. Rickart stated the access point hearing. Elsbernd stated there are two access points planned along Smithtown Road one is at the current location, and another is further to the west. She indicated the Yellowstone Trail. Gagne asked if the streets would be constructed in stages. Elsb this is a good question for the City Council and not for this group. Cooley discussed the need for safe traffic controls in this area sidewalk until a turn lane can be added. Gehrke suggested a posn location. Huskins stated he would like the group to recognize that this isdescribed and discussed a roundabout location. He stated it would alleviate back up traff stated he could draw this out as a concept for review. He belieCounty Road 19 should remain exactly as it is planned. A committee member noted a roundabout is a good idea but not practical. The gas station would need to be removed to begin with. The County just redid the intersection. It was stated the problem is County Road 19 and Country Club Road are too close together. A stop light on Yellowstone and Country Club Road would deter cut through traffic. Rickart discussed the difficulty with the recommendations. Huskins discussed the possibility of making Country Club Road a -way road. Elsbernd asked for additional comments about a roundabout. Curry believed it was a wonderful idea. Rickart stated a mini-roundabout is also an option. Hasek stated there are also two o Rickart stated those were the first built in the Twin Cities, an be changed. Rickart was asked if a mini-roundabout would work in the Country Club Road location. Rickar it might work. Hasek believed it would be a more possible use a Committee members discussed educating motorists on the use of a roundabout. Rickart stated too many signs would not be effective. He discussed similar concepts dis merging would cause backup problems. It was noted it would. The consensus wa have a roundabout. Hasek asked Huskins if he had any engineering background. Huskins indicated he did not concerned citizen. Hasek suggested he work with the City EngineRickart was asked to provide drawings of roundabouts for the next meeting. uld also provide his drawings. Elsbernd noted a flyby elevation of County Road19 was suggested at a previous meeting. Hasek discussed his concerns about the cost of such a plan. He believ He proposed a full interchange. Nelson stated the Council indicated the interchange at County Road 19 is not a part of what the Council is asking the committee to discuss. She suggested we focus on w TRAFFIC COMMITTEE MINUTES TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 24, 2015 4 PAGE 4 OF done to for a turn lane. Cooley clarified the turn lanes on Country Club Road and cost effective measures. Rickart stated any additional lanes would increase the Committee members discussed how to make Country Club Road safe f excerpts from previous traffic studies which identified safety n enforcement and education. Speed limit sign additions were suggested. He stated potential solutions were offered, and the only thing done was striping and driver feHe stated he wanted to see the road use as it is intended. He stated motorists should not try believed the driver feedback sign is a good idea and is very worCurry suggested drawings be provided of turn lane locations. Elsbernd asked for suggestions for other improvements. Cooley s down to Yellowstone. He believed the City has enough right-of-way to provide that. Rickart believed if getting pedestrians off of Country Club Road is the goal, then that would be a good idea to ex sidewalk to Yellowstone. Committee members discussed bike trail to be trails for walkers and bikers. Elsbernd asked for input oations on Country Club Road. Committee members discussed locations. Rickart stated mar a 25 mph roadway by state law. Elsbernd stated Country Club Road for two bike lanes. Curry left the meeting at approximately 7:10 p.m. Cooley discussed bike lane locations with the ultimate goal of g Elsbernd summarized the discussion: roundabout proposals will be presented at the next members discussed the addition of stop signs and turn lanes on Smithtown and Countr making Country Club Road safer and reducing speed were the items c.Yellowstone Trail Intersection 3. Next Meeting December 10 was selected as the possible date for the next meeting. Hasek suggested Huskins attend the next meeting in person. 4. Adjourn The meeting adjourned at 7:20 p.m. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, Clare T. Link Recorder