05-01-12 Planning Comm Agenda Packet
CITY OF SHOREWOOD COUNCIL CHAMBERS
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING 5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD
TUESDAY, 1 MAY 2012 7:00 P.M.
A G E N D A
CALL TO ORDER ROLL CALL / (LIAISON) SCHEDULE
HUTCHINS (Dec) ______
CHARBONNET (May) ______
GARELICK (Oct) ______
MUEHLBERG (Jul) ______
DAVIS (Aug) ______
GENG (Sep) ______
HASEK (Jun/Nov) ______
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
3 April 2012
1. 7:00 P.M. PUBLIC HEARING – C.U.P. - ACCESSORY SPACE OVER 1200 SQ. FT.
Applicants: Dale Christensen
Location: 5355 Elmridge Circle
2. 7:10 P.M. PUBLIC HEARING – COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT REVISING
THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MAP REGARDING MSA ROUTES
3. DISCUSSION – ZONING PERMITS
4. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR
5. OLD BUSINESS
6. NEW BUSINESS
7. DRAFT NEXT MEETING AGENDA
8. REPORTS
Liaison to Council
SLUC
Other
9. ADJOURNMENT
CITY OF SHOREWOOD COUNCIL CHAMBERS
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING 5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD
TUESDAY, APRIL 3, 2012 7:00 P.M.
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
Chair Geng called the meeting to order at 7:01 P.M.
ROLL CALL
Present: Chair Geng; Commissioners Davis, Garelick, Hasek, Hutchins and Muehlberg; Planning
Director Nielsen; and Council Liaison Lizée (departed at 8:47 P.M. because she was not
feeling well)
Absent: Commissioner Charbonnet
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Hutchins moved, Davis seconded, approving the agenda for April 3, 2012, as presented. Motion
passed 6/0.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
March 20, 2012
Commissioner Hasek stated he thought everyone needs to be very careful about how the minutes are put
together. He commented he read a paragraph of his comments three times to really understand what the
minutes were saying. He expressed concern that excerpts from the minutes could be taken out of context
and misconstrued. He noted he did not want to change his comments on page 2, paragraph 7.
Director Nielsen stated he has mentioned before that taking minutes for a conversational discussion can
be difficult because the recorder is trying to pick up the pertinent points of a casual discussion. Often
times there is more than one person speaking at a time.
Chair Geng reminded the Commissioners that it is difficult for the recorder to pick up the pertinent points
of the discussion when multiple people are speaking at the same time during a work session. He
encouraged the Commissioners to only have one person speaking at a time. He also encouraged the
Commissioners to keep their comments as brief and to the point as possible. He stated when a person
elaborates on a point it can be difficult to discern what the pertinent point is. He then stated if a document
is being referred to a person should make it very clear what the document being referred to is by name.
Hasek moved, Meuhlberg seconded, approving the Planning Commission Meeting Minutes of
March 20, 2012, as amended on Item 1, Page 5, Paragraph 6, change “… more positively to a
duplex in the transitional area rather than only single-family residential” to “… more positively to
a duplex in the transitional area rather than only commercial property”. Motion passed 6/0.
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1. 7:00 P.M. PUBLIC HEARING – CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO BUILD ON A
SUBSTANDARD LOT AND ACCESSORY SPACE OVER 1200 SQUARE FEET
Applicants: Tom and Velinda Schrepel
Location: 28180 Woodside Road
Chair Geng opened the Public Hearing at 7:06 P.M., noting the procedures utilized in a Public Hearing.
He explained that if this item is acted upon this evening it will be placed on an April 23, 2012, Regular
City Council meeting agenda for further review and consideration. He noted the applicants (Tom and
Velinda Schrepel)are not in attendance this evening, but their representatives (Mike Sharratt of Sharratt
Design, LLC, and Kyle Hunt their builder) are present this evening.
Director Nielsen explained Tom and Velinda Schrepel have commissioned Sharratt Design, LLC, to make
application for the construction of a new home on the property located at 28180 Woodside Road. They
are applying for two conditional use permits (C.U.P.s). The first C.U.P. is to build on a substandard lot
with respect to the lot width requirement for the R-1A/S, Single-Family Residential/Shoreland zoning
district in which it is located. The subject property is currently vacant and contains 40,747 square feet of
area. Although it complies with the area requirement for that district, the lot is only 84 feet wide at the
front building line. The width does comply with the 70 percent requirement that allows nonconforming
lots of record to be considered buildable. The second C.U.P. is for accessory space (including a detached
garage) in excess of 1,200 square feet of area.
Nielsen noted this property was the subject of a lot line rearrangement approved last month (for Mike
Cannon). That application eliminated the need for any kind of variance in this case.
Nielsen explained the applicants have prepared a site plan for the property. The proposed home fits on the
site very well. Owners of lake front properties tend to have their home as close to the water as they
possibly can. The applicants are building farther back from the shoreline in part because of hardcover
constraints. The home is to be located on the level portion of the lot where a previous house had been
located years ago. The proposed house will have an attached double garage. The applicants are also
proposing a detached garage. For the time being the applicants will be sharing a driveway with the
property to the north.
Nielsen then explained the property slopes from east to west, dropping dramatically as it approaches Lake
Minnetonka (the Lake), and quite dramatically the closer it gets to the Lake. This elevation change
constitutes a bluff under the City’s Zoning Ordinance. The proposed home will be located well behind the
required setback for the bluff.
Nielsen reviewed how the application complies with the four criteria for granting a C.U.P to build on a
substandard lot.
1. The lot is in separate ownership from adjoining properties.
2. The lot complies with the area requirement for the R-1A/S zoning district. The width of the lot
complies with the 70 percent requirement for existing lots of record.
3. The proposed home and detached garage comply with setback requirements for the R-1A/S
zoning district. In taking advantage of the level area of the lot, the home not only sits well back
from the shoreline of the lake, it is 64 feet behind the bluff line on the property (only 20 feet is
required).
4. At just over 15 percent, the proposed floor area ratio is well under the 30 percent maximum
provided by the Code.
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Nielsen then reviewed how the application complies with the criteria for granting a C.U.P for accessory
space over 1200 square feet.
1. The total area of accessory buildings (1404 square feet) does not exceed the floor area (4449
square feet – upper two levels) above grade of the existing home.
2. The total area of accessory buildings does not exceed 10 percent of the minimum lot size for the
R-1A/S zoning district (.10 x 40,000 = 4000 square feet).
3. The proposed garages and the principle dwelling comply with R-1A/S zoning district setback
requirements. The house is somewhat centered on the lot. The Shoreland district requires a total
side yard setback of 30 feet with no one side less than 10 feet. The detached garage is somewhat
buffered by existing vegetation to the east of it.
The proposed hardcover for the site is at the maximum 25 percent, including a shared portion of
driveway for the house to the north and 184 square feet of “contingency hardcover”. At such time
as the property to the north is redeveloped, it is anticipated that it will have its own driveway,
freeing up 486 square feet of hardcover for the subject property.
The applicants had an arborist prepare tree preservation and reforestation plans and it appears
they will do a nice job of protecting the clusters of trees. The tree protection fencing on one side
of the house will be brought down to the property line. The trees in that area are not in great
health so they will be removed and replaced as part of the tree reforestation plan.
4. The architectural character of the detached garage will be the same as the proposed house. Siding
and roofing will match the house.
Nielsen noted detached buildings are limited to 15 feet and one story in height. The detached garage will
have storage trusses with a ceiling height of less than seven feet. Therefore, this space will not constitute a
second story and the floor area is not counted in the C.U.P. calculations.
Nielsen stated based on the preceding analysis, Staff recommends the applicant’s request for both C.U.P.s
be granted, subject to the following:
1. Building permit plans for the detached garage must show storage trusses for the upper level with
a permanent ceiling height of less than seven feet.
2. Erosion control consistent with Minnehaha Creek Watershed District requirements must be in
place prior to excavation. This will likely comply with tree protection fencing especially on the
Lake side.
Mike Sharratt, 5590 Woodside Lane and with Sharratt Design, stated he has been a resident of the City
for 20 years and his office is located in the City of Excelsior. He noted the Schrepels asked to have a
smaller house designed when compared to most new homes around the Lake. He stated the only thing he
was not able to do as well as he would have liked to have deals with the hardcover issue. Unfortunately,
the lot is very long and narrow. The house is proposed to be farther back from the Lake to increase the
buffer and to shorten the length of the driveway. He commented that he thought the proposed house is a
very humble house. He also commented that the Schrepels have lived in the Smithtown area for about the
last 15 years. He stated that he and the Schrepels ask the Planning Commission to recommend approval.
Seeing no one present wishing to comment on this case, Chair Geng opened and closed the Public
Testimony portion of the Public Hearing at 7:22 P.M.
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Director Nielsen stated he had met with two of the adjoining property owners. One of the others came to
City Hall and picked up a copy of the plan. Albeit hearsay, apparently all of their concerns have been
addressed.
Commissioner Garelick asked how the size of the proposed house compares to others in the surrounding
area. Mr. Sharratt stated it is quite a bit smaller when compared to other houses around the Lake and in
the Boulder Bridge area. He highlighted some of the features on the site plan.
Commissioner Hasek stated he thought Director Nielsen said a grading plan had been submitted. Nielsen
clarified he did not say that and one was not submitted. Hasek explained if you look at Exhibits B and C
on the lot to the north where it says vacated street there is a low, flat area in the yard and it looks like it
has some type of wall around it. It appears that where the proposed house will be located will block the
current drainage flow. He asked if any consideration will be given to how the drainage will flow from the
low area into the Lake. Nielsen explained that will be reviewed as part of the building permit to ensure
that drainage will not be blocked or create drainage onto another property. Hasek stated the area where
construction will occur drains off to the south. Nielsen stated the arborist took drainage into consideration
when making the decision to remove some of the trees.
Hasek expressed concern that so many trees on the survey are just labeled trees and he does not consider
the survey to be an adequate tree survey. He stated from his vantage point some of the trees are worth
saving. He questioned if it couldn’t go around the north side of the lot so as not to impact the trees. He
commented that there is a lot of overhead canopy on the lot and to get trees to grow underneath it if there
isn’t enough light will be difficult. Director Nielsen noted the arborist mentioned that in his second report.
Nielsen stated that nothing would prohibit the transplantation of trees that could survive that. Hasek stated
the root systems of the trees are very extensive and that makes them difficult to transplant. Therefore, he
would opt for nursery grown trees.
Hasek stated where they are actually going out on to the street it looks as if there will be a little two or
four foot cut in the mound. He thought there are some relatively nice trees in there. He stated if there is
going to be a connection to that street he suggested the connection be made where it takes out the least
number of what he calls valuable trees and causes the least amount of grading to occur. He noted there is
a little knob off of the southeast corner of the property. He stated the farther to the north it goes the less
grading there will have to be.
Hasek asked what is on the east of the accessory garage. Is it a window or a door? Mr. Sharratt explained
the east side door is intended to be an access door for things such as a lawn tractor and would eliminate
the need to move cars in front.
Hasek stated where the trees to the east of that area are it appears there was a large Linden tree that came
down. There is a large Linden tree with maples around it. The two trees to the north don’t appear to be
worth saving. He asked if there is a tree survey with more trees identified on it than the one provided.
Director Nielsen stated the Planning Commission has all that has been submitted. He then stated the
building permit process will address that. He noted the arborist did indicate that near that garage there will
be one good size tree (30 inch) that will be removed because it is damaged. Hasek asked what size trees
the reforestation plan requires. Nielsen explained a significant tree is defined as eight inches. Nielsen
noted the City does ask applicants to try and protect significant clusters of trees.
Hasek stated the site plan shows there are two solid lines that run within what he assumes is the setback
line. He asked what the solid lines are. Mr. Sharratt explained they are the 15-foot and 20-foot respective
setbacks depending on where the house is located. The northerly line is the 15-foot setback. Hasek asked
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where the air conditioner will be located while noting the City’s Ordinance stipulates it cannot be located
in the side yard setback. Mr. Sharratt stated if it can’t be it won’t be. He explained the plans are sized
scale schematics. At this point in the process the focus has not been on mechanical systems.
Hasek asked if the hard surface cover includes the patio and the walls below it. Mr. Sharratt responded it
does. Mr. Sharratt explained the terrace retaining walls off the patio where the screened porch is would
also have planting bed between the walls. Hasek commented he would not count that as hard surface
cover.
Hasek then asked if the applicants are going to be required to have a cross-access easement for the
property to the north. Director Nielsen noted they have one already. It was done as part of the lot line
rearrangement. Hasek asked if there is an agreement between the property to the north and the subject
property for parking on the south lot. Nielsen responded yes.
Hasek stated the Staff report under Analysis/Recommendation Item B.1 states “The total area of
accessory building (1404 square feet) does not exceed the area (4449 square feet – upper two levels)
above grade of the existing home.” And, Item B.2 states “The total area of accessory building does not
exceed 10 percent of the minimum lot size for the R-1A/S zoning district (.10 x 40,000 = 4000 square
feet.” In reading through Code Section 1201.03 Subd. 2.d.(4) states one thing (he thought 10 percent) and
then Section 1201.03 Subd. 2.d.(4)(a)(iv) indicates 7 percent. It’s in a discussion about greenhouses. He
asked if greenhouses are somehow separated from other structures. Director Nielsen noted they are.
Nielsen explained Subd. 2.d.(4)(a) was specifically added to the Code for someone with a greenhouse.
Item (a) does not apply to this application. He noted the 10 percent rule applies. Hasek questioned why it
is 7 percent for greenhouses and 10 percent for other accessory structures.
Chair Geng suggested the discussion come back to the topic at hand.
Commissioner Hasek stated he thought the applicants did a good job of trying to fit a structure on the lot.
He then stated he wanted to ensure that a situation wasn’t allowed to happen that the Planning
Commission and the City will regret in the future. He noted he supports what is being proposed.
Commissioner Hutchins asked, out of curiosity, if the walls on the detached garage are going to be angled
as indicated on the schematic. Mr. Sharratt explained that both of the applicants grew up on farms and
that design is somewhat of a reflection of taking them back to their roots. They may very well have the
sloped sides.
Hasek moved, Davis seconded, recommending approval of a conditional use permit to build a
single-family home on a substandard lot and a conditional use permit for accessory space in excess
of 1200 square feet for the property located at 28180 Woodside Road subject to Staff
recommendations.
Commissioner Hutchins asked if both conditional use permits can be addressed in one motion. Director
Nielsen responded they can.
Motion passed 6/0.
Chair Geng closed the Public Hearing at 7:39 P.M.
2. DISCUSSION – SMITHTOWN CROSSING
Chair Geng stated this is a continuation of a number of discussions and two public meetings related to the
Smithtown Crossing Redevelopment Study (the Study) the Planning Commission has had.
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Director Nielsen stated he doesn’t have a lot for the Planning Commission this evening. He explained that
since the last discussion during the Commission’s March 20, 2012, work session Staff has worked on a
two of the items the Commission wanted modified. The meeting packet contains a copy of the expanded
chart showing the pros and cons of a unified/coordinated versus piece-meal redevelopment of the
northwest quadrant Study area. This document will be included in the introduction to the Study report. He
noted that he took a lot of the language Commissioner Charbonnet provided him. The packet also
contains a copy of the revised Study Area Boundary map (the map). Per the Commission’s request, Staff
pulled the Study area boundary down to the backs of the individual properties (including the removal of
Gideon Glen); the public works property was taken out of the northeast quadrant of the Study area; and,
the square footage and acreage of each property was added. He indicated that he will add a total acreage
amount for the northwest and southwest quadrants and for the 24250 Smithtown Road to the map as well.
He noted the appendix lists all of each property’s details. Staff is continuing to work on revising other
maps (e.g., the Study Area Location map).
Commissioner Hasek stated he did not think it is necessary to include the square footage for each
property. He thought having just the acreage would be sufficient. He then stated he would prefer the lot
information of the map be located at the bottom of each property for ease of reading the map. He also
wants to have the word South Lake Public Safety put into the 24100 property location so people know it
is already developed. He suggested labeling the location of the Southshore Community Center (SSCC) on
the map. If a piece of Badger Park is located in the Study area it should be labeled as well.
Director Nielsen stated because a segment of trail was eliminated from the Trail Plan he suggests
removing the SSCC and Badger Park from the southeast quadrant of Study area. He noted that some of
the properties on the map may be too small to have the lot specific information print horizontally at the
current font size. Chair Geng stated for the lots that are too narrow to print the information horizontally
the print should remain vertical. Commissioner Hutchins agreed. Commissioner Davis suggested
lightening up the contours on the map, and if the map is to have contours the map should have elevations.
Chair Geng noted that Gideon Glen has been removed from the map. He stated he thought the map looked
good.
Commissioner Hutchins noted that the north edge of the 24620 and 24590 Smithtown Road properties the
yellow boundary line should be dashed. He stated he thought the map reflects what was discussed during
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the March 20 meeting.
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Director Nielsen stated during the March 20 meeting there was discussion about including a site location
map in the introduction. The purpose of the map would be to show the context better next to the
surrounding neighborhoods. He displayed two options for the site location map. One is a plain, simple
map with the Study area shaded. The other would show more detail including the individual houses in the
surrounding neighborhoods. Commissioner Davis stated she prefers the one that shows the houses
because people want to see their houses. Commissioner Hasek suggested both be included, that the
boundary line around the two residential properties in the northwest quadrant being dashed, and making
the color of the dashed line blue to distinguish that those two properties may or may not be part of the
redevelopment.
Commissioner Hasek asked the Commission what it thought about including either a land use or zoning
map with area boundaries in the Study report. He stated the land use would be a projection of what it is
expected to be. Director Nielsen stated the land use and zoning are consistent. There was consensus to
include a zoning map in the report.
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Director Nielsen asked if the Commissioners had any comments about the unified versus piece-meal
chart. Commissioner Davis stated she likes the chart as presented; it is not overwhelming and it says what
it needs to say. Chair Geng asked if it would be practical to include the page number in the Study report
where the items in the chart are primarily discussed. Nielsen explained some are discussed in several
locations in the report. Nielsen noted the Study report will include an executive summary and it will be
placed in the front part of the document. Geng stated that would be sufficient. Nielsen stated the chart will
be located near the list of issues. Commissioner Hasek stated for now it makes sense but once the
Planning Commission has the opportunity to see the complete revised report he may have a different
perspective. Geng stated he likes the improved descriptions on the chart. Nielsen stated he will ponder
including the page numbers by the descriptions on the chart.
Commissioner Hasek suggested changing “Each site provides its own separate pond for rate control and
volume storage; more land lost to ponding” to “Each site provides its own separate pond for rate control
and volume storage; more land consumed by ponding”. He also suggested changing “Each site provides
its own parking, resulting in less efficient land use” to “Each site provides its own parking, resulting in
less efficient land use and circulation”.
Commissioner Muehlberg stated that although he understands what constitutes an acre there are a lot of
people who don’t think of property size in terms of acreage. Many people can relate to square footage
better. Maybe, if there is room to include square footage he suggests doing so. Chair Geng stated that
square footage information will be in the appendix along with other specific property information. Geng
suggested having an appendix notation on the Study Area Boundary map. He stated having both on the
map makes the map too busy.
Director Nielsen stated the Planning Commission discussed having another joint meeting with the City
Council to talk about the revised Study report. The joint meeting is scheduled for June 11, rather than on
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May 29 as the Commission proposed. Chair Geng asked what the delay does to the overall timetable for
this Study. Nielsen responded it extends it out slightly.
Director Nielsen commented an architect and a developer have been working on development plans for
the northwest quadrant of the Smithtown Crossing Study area. He displayed a sketch to the Commission.
He explained that the sketch indicated there would be a two and a half story senior housing facility built
on two lots and then increase to three to three and a half stories on another portion of the structure. The
extra half story is the parking level. He stated he told the architect and developer he would show the
sketch to the Commission and he clarified approval is not being sought. He commented he thought the
concept is good. He stated he thought they needed to focus on considerably more landscaping.
Chair Geng stated based on comments made by residents he thought there would be concerns about
building a senior housing facility that far into the buffer zone [on the west end of the Study area]. Director
Nielsen stated he shares that perspective. Geng stated if they put the structure further east and north into
the Study area there may be less resistance to it based on comments heard.
3. ZONING CODE DISCUSSIONS
• General provisions – Section 1203.03 Subd. 2.a.-f.
Director Nielsen stated this evening the Planning Commission will begin its discussions about the
General Provisions section of the Zoning Code Sections 1201.03 Subd. 2.a – f. What he refers to as the
nuts and bolts of the Ordinance. It contains provisions that apply to several zoning districts. He noted that
a copy of that part of the Code is included in the meeting packet.
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Nielsen explained that the discussion this evening will go through the fences section. He noted that the
nonconformities portion was updated in 2011 to comply with statutory requirements. The accessory
buildings provisions have worked well over the years. He stated during the discussion he will note
questions that Staff has.
Nielsen noted that earlier this evening one of the conditional use permits (C.U.P.) requests dealt with
Section 1203 Subd. 2.c.(3) Property development.
Nielsen explained that State Building Code requirements must be complied with. The City Code adopts
the Building Code by reference. He also explained that unless there is an urgent need to make a change to
the General Provisions all recommended changes will be made as part of a housekeeping ordinance.
Following is a summary of comments, clarifications and suggestions made with regard to Section 1203
Subd. 2.a Purpose.
No comments were made.
Following is a summary of comments, clarifications and suggestions made with regard to Section 1203
Subd. 2.b Dwelling unit restriction.
Living quarters in basements have to meet building code. For true basements there have to be
window well egress windows.
Following is a summary of comments, clarifications and suggestions made with regard to Section 1203
Subd. 2.c Property development.
For fence permits a property owner does not have to submit a survey if they can show where
property boundary monument markers are located. The same thing applies to additions, garages
and so forth. The monument marker has to be identified by the property owner.
There was a suggestion that a verification of property line by survey be required for things like
fences, sheds, parking areas and so forth.
The stakes (the monument markers) are what are used to verify where things are located in
accordance to setback requirements. The survey is just a drawing.
There is concern about the cost to get a permit becoming so expensive that property owners will
build a fence without a permit. The City tries to be reasonable.
In Subd. 2.c.(3) the reference to the effective date of this chapter will be changed to include the
actual effective date of this chapter.
In Subd. 2.c.(4) regarding allowing a single-family residential dwelling to remain on a lot while a
new dwelling is being constructed, any concern about substantial site alteration would be
discussed during the public hearing for the C.U.P.
There was a comment by one Commissioner that the wording of Subd. 2.c.(5) was awkward.
Following is a summary of comments, clarifications and suggestions made with regard to Section 1203
Subd. 2.d Accessory buildings, uses and equipment.
In Subd. 2.d.(4) there was a suggestion to change “… shall exceed three in number, or 1,200
square feet” to “… shall exceed three in number, nor 1,200 square feet” and to change “… R-3A
Districts, or 1,000 square feet” to “… R-3A Districts, nor 1,000 square feet”.
The gross floor area does not include walls at this time. It would be easier on a survey to look at
things if it did. There was a comment that it is not uncommon for the gross floor area to be the
outside dimension of a structure. Staff agreed that could be cleaned up.
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There was a question as to why the total area of accessory buildings cannot exceed 7 percent
when greenhouses are being considered (Subd. 2.d.(a)(4)(iv) yet it is 10 percent when
greenhouses are not (Subd. 2.d.(b). It was clarified that this was driven by a specific case and
Staff will research that case.
With regard to Subd. 2.d.(4)(a)(i), it was clarified that once a greenhouse has been built on a lot
that must be at least 80,000 square feet of area the lot cannot be subdivided at a later date. The
word subsequently will be added to the second sentence.
In Subd. 2.d.(4)(e) there was a suggestion to change the two “or” words to “nor” in paragraph
one.
With regard to Subd. 2.d.(4)(e)(ii), it was questioned if the provision relating to the condition of
the nonconforming structure is still valid. Staff believes it is because in this section an expansion
of a nonconformity is being asked for.
In Subd. 2.d.(4)(e)(iii) it was questioned if the correct agencies are listed. Staff clarified they are.
There was a suggestion to clarify the last sentence to indicate there is one member each from the
Planning Commission, City Council and Park Commission.
In Subd. 2.d.(5), it was clarified that Section 1201.04 of the Code referenced is titled
“Administration, amendments and conditional use permits”. There was a comment that including
the name may be helpful.
Following is a summary of comments, clarifications and suggestions made with regard to Section 1203
Subd. 2.e Drainage plans.
No comments were made.
Following is a summary of comments, clarifications and suggestions made with regard to Section 1203
Subd. 2.f Fences – general requirements.
Staff displayed images of solid versus 25 percent open fences, different fence heights, looks of
fences with no setback requirements and so forth. Staff also displayed images of the most
common 25 percent open fence (the alternating board-on-board fence). The most common fence
constructed is the alternating board-on-board fence. In the City there has to be a minimum of 3.5
inches between the boards on each side.
The City Code has setback and height provisions for fences. Six-foot high fences are allowed
along arterial roads. Some cities don’t require a permit for fences. There are some differences in
the provisions for solid fences and 25 percent open fences.
The Code doesn’t specifically stipulate some of the things Staff requires. Staff has discussed
developing a handout with illustrations that would be given out with the permit application
specifying such things. The 25 percent open can be achieved in many ways.
Staff asked if there is a preference for a handout or illustrations in the Code about fences. The
Commission thought a handout would be most useful.
The purpose of the 25 percent open is more structural than anything; it helps reduce wind
resistance for taller fences. It also allows some light to pass through the fence. There was a
suggestion to mention the light and air flow rationale in the Code. It was suggested that be added
to Subd. 2.f.(9). Staff indicated they will do that.
There was a suggestion for the fence posts to go down to or below the frost line. Staff clarified
there isn’t a lot of fence heaving from not going below the frost line. The heaving is caused by
strong winds, and the frost line goes down more than three feet. There was a comment that based
on experience three feet deep for a fence post wasn’t deep enough.
There was agreement to add the actual date of adoption to Subd. 2.f.(5).
With regard to Subd. 2.f.(9)(iv), Staff recommends including the side yard abutting the street. The
side yard abutting the street is treated the same as the front yard.
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4. DISCUSS TRAIL PLAN IMPLEMENTATION – STATUS OF COUNTY ROAD 19
TRAIL
Director Nielsen stated Council has decided that the Planning Commission should assume responsibility
for the implementation of the Trail Plan. This evening he intends to provide an update on the trail
segment that would go from Smithtown Crossing north to the LRT Trail.
Nielsen explained that the City Engineer has started to prepare plans for that segment. During the
planning process he has determined that there are state standards, Hennepin County desires and so forth.
The Engineer is working through those things with the County. The original hope was that the entire
segment of trail could be located within existing right of way (ROW). That is still a possibility but it will
depend on the design of the trail. Trails have a very specific meaning if they are to be placed in State or
County ROW. If the trail is intended to accommodate bicycle and pedestrian traffic, it has to be a
minimum of eight feet wide. In order to have an eight-foot wide trail there is a section in the ROW where
it goes down and a power pole is located in the ROW. Commissioner Davis noted that it costs $10,000 to
relocate a power pole.
Nielsen then explained the City Engineer has been meeting with representatives from Xcel Energy and
Hennepin County. The County considers County Road 19 to be a bike route. The County has striped both
sides of the road for bicycles. It is not labeled as such, but it is in the County’s plans as a bike route.
Therefore, it would be possible for the City to get by with a five-foot wide sidewalk and keep it within the
ROW. He noted there is a five-foot wide sidewalk along the shopping center. It’s possible there could be
a striped route north of the area anyway. He stated at this time it appears as if a five-foot wide sidewalk is
the better option to pursue. He noted easement may be needed as it gets closer to the LRT Trail to allow
the walkway to connect to the future overpass at the LRT.
Nielsen stated at this time the City does not have any pending grant applications in. A grant was applied
for in 2011 but it was not awarded to the City. The City was encouraged to apply for future grants.
Nielsen explained the City Engineer is trying to make contact with the owner of the bus company, but he
has been unsuccessful to date. The Engineer thinks there is a possibility that the bus company may be
leasing a sliver of land that joins County Road 19.
Nielsen then explained the plan is to solicit bids for constructing that segment of trail. The hope is that
Xcel Energy will grant the City an easement, noting it will have a request for a large conditional use
permit coming up within the next year.
Nielsen reiterated that both an eight-foot wide trail and a five-foot wide sidewalk are currently being
considered. He stated he will keep the Commission posted on the status of this endeavor.
Chair Geng stated he assumes that the sidewalk would be for pedestrians only and the bicycle traffic
would be routed onto County Road 19. Director Nielsen clarified the sidewalk would not have to be
labeled that bicycles are not allowed. It cannot be labeled that the passage way is intended for bicycles.
Geng stated from his perspective if the sidewalk option is selected then the roadway would have to be
striped. Nielsen noted it already is.
Director Nielsen stated the hard-core bikers who want to bike on County Road 19 probably want to bike
on the roadway. Commissioner Davis commented hard-core bikers don’t bike on trails. Casual bikers do.
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Page 11 of 12
Commissioner Hasek asked if the City has any idea what the overpass design at the LRT Trail is going to
be like. Director Nielsen responded no and explained the design work has not been started. Nielsen stated
he thought discussions are supposed to being the summer of 2012. The Cities of Shorewood and Tonka
Bay will be involved in those discussions.
Hasek commented that recently when he approached the intersection of the LRT Trail and County Road
19 two bicyclists did not stop at the stop sign. When he told them they were supposed to stop there they
responded it was a pedestrian stop sign.
Director Nielsen explained that a few years ago the City Council adopted a resolution asking the County
to install uniform signage at all trail crossings of County Road 19. A similar request was sent to the State
asking the State to educate people on the difference between a trail crossing and a pedestrian crossing.
Commissioner Hasek shared what his perspective is about bicyclists and rules.
Director Nielsen noted Trail Plan implementation needs to be added to the Commission’s work program.
He stated if the City wanted to construct a five-foot-wide trail along Smithtown Road, a Minnesota State
Aid (MSA) route, the City would not be able to get any funding assistance. To be eligible for a grant or
MSA funding with a five-foot-wide passage way it would be limited to pedestrian only.
5. DETERMINE JULY THROUGH DECEMBER OF 2012 COUNCIL LIAISONS
Council Liaisons were selected as followed:
July 2012 Commissioner Muehlberg
August 2012 Commissioner Davis
September 2012 Chair Geng
October 2012 Commissioner Garelick
November 2012 Commissioner Hasek
December 2012 Commissioner Hutchins
6. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR
There were no matters from the floor presented this evening.
7. OLD BUSINESS
Commissioner Davis asked about the status of the Planning Commission’s government training session.
Director Nielsen stated the new target date is for May. Nielsen explained that for one of the dates being
considered in April the Department of Natural Resources is using the Southshore Community Center for
aquatic invasive species training.
8. NEW BUSINESS
Commissioner Garelick stated he did some mediation the previous week for the League of Minnesota
Cities (LMC). He asked what the LMC does with the City of Shorewood.
Director Nielsen explained the LMC does a great deal of research that the City uses the results of. The
LMC lobbies on behalf of cities. The LMC has an insurance program that the City used to belong to, but
he thought the City has pulled out of that. He indicated he does not always agree with the model
ordinances it creates.
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9. DRAFT NEXT MEETING AGENDA
Director Nielsen stated there may be a public hearing for a conditional use permit slated for the May 1,
2012, Planning Commission meeting. If so, it will be for accessory space over 1200 square feet. There
will be a public hearing for a Comprehensive Plan amendment for what can basically be considered a
housekeeping item. There will continued discussion about life-cycle housing and landscaping.
10. REPORTS
• Liaison to Council
Director Nielsen gave a brief report on the March 28, 2012, City Council meeting.
Commissioner Hasek commented on how poor a recent video recording of one of the City Council
meetings was.
• SLUC
No report was given.
Director Nielsen stated Commissioner Davis is attending a Sensible Land Use Coalition session at the end
of the month.
• Other
None.
11. ADJOURNMENT
Hasek moved, Garelick seconded, Adjourning the Planning Commission Meeting of April 3, 2012,
at 9:22 P.M. Motion passed 6/0.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Christine Freeman, Recorder
MEMORANDUM
TO: Planning Commission, Mayor and City Council
FROM: Brad Nielsen
DATE: 25 April 2012
RE: Proposed Comprehensive Plan Amendment — MSA Routes
FILE NO. Comp Plan (Transportation)
As a city of over 5000 population, Shorewood is eligible for Mimlesota State Aid (MSA)
funding. MSA money comes from the sales taxes generated by the sale of gasoline. Based on
the number of miles of city streets, Shorewood qualifies to have 20 percent of those miles in the
MSA system. In our case, that amounts to 9.5 miles of streets. MSA routes are shown on the
Transportation Plan map in the Shorewood Comprehensive Plan (see Exhibit A, attached).
Over time, as new street miles are added in the city, the total number of MSA miles increases. In
addition to this, the City Engineer has refined the measurement of street miles in Shorewood,
resulting in additional MSA miles. As a consequence, the Engineer has proposed modifications.
to the MSA routes shown on Exhibit A. These modifications are included on the revised
Transportation Plan map on Exhibit B. Following is a description of the proposed revisions:
• Birch Bluff Road and Eureka Road (north) will be added to the map
• Apple Road will be added to the map
• Grant Lorenz Road will be removed from the map
• Galpin Lake Road will be added as a future MSA route
• Excelsior Boulevard will be removed as a future MSA route
Although these changes are considered to be a "housekeeping measure ", they do require an
amendment to the Comprehensive Plan. A public hearing has been scheduled for 1 May 2012, at
which time the proposed revisions will be presented. Once the City has acted on the amendment,
it will be forwarded to the Metropolitan Council. Staff anticipates that this item will be
processed as a minor amendment, foregoing the need to route the amendment to adjoining cities
and affected agencies. It is worth noting that the MSA division of MNDOT has already approved
the changes.
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TO: Planning Commission, Mayor and City Council
FROM: Brad Nielsen
DATE: 24 April 2012
RE: Reconsideration — Zoning Permits
FILE NO. 405(Zoning)
Early in 2010, the Planning Commission considered an amendment to the Zoning Code that would
establish a system of "zoning permits" (see attached staff report, dated 25 February 2010 —
Attaclunent I). The proposal was recommended to the City Council on a 4 -2 split vote (see
Planning Commission minutes, dated 2 March 2010 and 6 April 2010 — Attachment 11 and III,
respectively). The draft ordinance considered at the public hearing is attached as Attachment IV.
The matter was considered by the Council at its 26 April 2010 meeting (see minutes — Attachment
V). As you can see the amendment died for lack of a motion.
In preparing this year's work program, members of the Planning Commission asked that this matter
be brought up for reconsideration. It is scheduled for the 1 May 2012 meeting. For what it is
worth, staff continues to believe that this would be a valuable tool for enforcing the City's Zoning
Code.
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Tim Keane
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TO: Planning Commission
FROM: Brad Nielsen
DATE: 25 February 2010
RE: Zoning Code — Zoning Permits
FILE NO. 405(Zoning)
One of the items on the 2010 Work Program is consideration of an amendment to the
Shorewood Zoning Code, which would establish a system of zoning permits for
activities that are not addressed by the State Building Code. For example, the City
has requirements relative to decks and patios that, if less than 30 inches in height, are
not covered by the Building Code. The City's main concern has to do with location
and hardcover vs. the standard of construction. When a property owner inquires
about permit requirements we simply advise them that no pen is required, but the
feature in question must meet zoning requirements. Without a permit process there is
no way to monitor the activity for compliance. Further, when some owners find out
that no permit required, they also assume no rules apply.
Many cities have adopted systems of zoning permits to address such activities.
Nowhere is it better explained than in a brochure published by the City of Chanhassen
(see Exhibit A, attached). Not only does this explain the City's reason for requiring
the permit, but they explain the advantage to the homeowner of having a record of the
approved activity on file with the City.
Building Inspection and Planning staff have assembled a list of projects that would
require a zoning permit in Shorewood:
• Accessory buildings less than 120 square feet in floor area*
• Fences
• Driveways
• Temporary signs
• Sport and tennis courts
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Patios and sidewalks
Retaining walls higher than three feet (no separate permit required when a
building pen is required for grading)
Above - ground fireplaces and cooking facilities, but not including portable
appliances
*Staff also proposes that the City's requirement for small sheds be made
consistent with the State Building Code. Currently, if a shed is less than 100
square feet in area, it does not require a building permit. The Building Code
allows sheds less than 120 square feet without a permit. Our suggestion is that a
zoning permit would be required for sheds less than 120 square feet in area.
Use of a zoning permit process also helps to minimize confusion. When a building
permit process is used for zoning matters, there is some assumption that there is a
provision in the Building Code relative to the activity. The zoning permit would
point people in the right direction — the Zoning Code.
It is recommended that Section 1201.07 of the Shorewood City Code be amended to
read: "ADMINISTRATION: CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY; ZONING
PERMITS " , with the items listed above as being subject to the permit process.
With respect to fees, staff suggests that the charge for zoning pen be kept
minimal. Currently, we charge $20 for fence and sign permits, and that is what is
suggested for a zoning permit. This basically covers some minimal paperwork and
one inspection.
This item will be discussed at the Planning Commission meeting on Tuesday, 2
March 2010. If the Planning Commission is in agreement with staff a public hearing
will be scheduled for 6 April 2010.
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Chair Geng called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M.
ROLL CALL
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Present: Chair Geng; Commissioners Arnst, Hasek, Hutchins, Ruoff, Vilett, and Davis; Planning
Director Nielsen; and Council Liaison Turgeon
Absent: None
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
February 16, 2010
Hutchins moved, Arnst seconded, Approving the Planning Commission Meeting Minutes of
February 16, 2010 as presented. Motion passed 6/0/1 (Vilett abstained).
1. ZONING PERMITS
Director Nielsen explained that there are a number of activities, such as driveways, patios, temporary
signs, etc. that are not covered by the Building Code, or are inappropriately handled by Building Permit.
These activities are however regulated by the Zoning Code. hl an effort to ensure these regulations are
followed, it is being recommended that a system of Zoning Permits be established.
In response to an inquiry by Commissioner Hutchins regarding fences and docks, Nielsen said that only
fences that are six feet or higher are covered by the Building Code, whereas zoning regulations apply to
all fences. The issue of docks was studied just a few years ago when it was decided not to require permits
for them as they are also regulated by the LMCD.
Director Nielsen said currently sheds under 100 square feet or less do not require a permit. Therefore,
they would become subject to a Zoning Permit. Furthermore, the code should be amended so that it refers
to sheds 120 square feet or less, making it consistent with the Building Code. Commissioner Arnst asked
if the plastic or canvas "garages" are regulated. Nielsen said they are subject to the same rules as sheds or
other buildings, and any violation of the rules is subject to enforcement on a complaint- basis. Chair Geng
suggested having something on the City website infori - ning people about the requirements for these
canvas structures.
Commissioner Hasek said he thought the $20 fee is too low and suggested it be at least $30. Nielsen said
he hadn't suggested raising the fee because he didn't want it to become a deterrent. Arnst said she
thought it should be based on actual cost to some degree. Nielsen said he would find out what the loaded
labor rate is for the Building Inspector and report that information at the next meeting on March l6`"
along with a draft ordinance for review. ATTACHMENT II
2. BYLAWS
Director Nielsen stated that, as suggested at January's training seminar, the rules, or by -laws, of the
Planning Commission should be reviewed annually to ensure they are up to date. He provided a model
ordinance published by the League of Minnesota Cities for review. He said the main item that stands out
to him is that Shorewood's rules, as contained in Chapter 201 of the City Code, does not have a residency
requirement for Planning Commission membership.
Chair Geng suggested that the Code state that the Commission's Liaisons interact with the other
Commissions on an as- needed basis, which would reflect what they actually do.
The Commissioners discussed the merits of the model ordinance, deciding to incorporate some of its
subsections into the current Chapter 201 of the City Code. A draft amendment of the Chapter will be
reviewed at the next meeting on March 16"'.
3. DISCUSSION — SMITHTOWN CROSSING REDEVELOPMENT
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Director Nielsen shared his thoughts regarding the advantages of a unified approach rather than a piece-
meal form of development of the Smithtown Crossing area parcels. He said it may be helpful to have the
benefits laid out when presenting the concept for the area to landowners. The unified approach would
maximize exposure to County Road 19; maximize the view of Gideon Glen; allow drainage to be more
efficient and less expensive; be developed as a P.U.D. which would allow flexibility with setbacks;
parking could be shared; hardcover would be less restricted; access could be consolidated; more
pedestrian - friendly; businesses would be better identified; City assistance could be available via T.I.F.
and other incentives. These benefits would generally not be available with a piecemeal approach.
Nielsen presented a slide show of photographs of commercial business buildings which contain certain
elements that create residential character to various degrees.
Commissioner Ruoff inquired about the plan for the southeast quadrant and landscaping requirements.
Nielsen responded that it has its own set of issues, so the focus has been on the northwest quadrant for the
time being. As for landscaping, he said frorn the LRT Trail crossing to the north, and all the way to
Excelsior, commercial properties shall be landscaped consistent with the Co. Rd. 19 Corridor Study.
4. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR
Commissioner Arnst distributed a handout containing examples of sustainability. Commissioner Hasek
requested that the Work Program schedule be adjusted to allow discussion of sustainability throughout the
year and to be a common thread in all topics of discussion.
5. DRAFT NEXT MEETING AGENDA
The March 16, 2010 Agenda will include review of draft Ordinance amendments regarding Zoning
Permits and By -laws; appointment of a Chair and Vice -Chair for 2010; determine Liaisons to Council for
remainder of the year; continued discussion of Smithtown Crossing.
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the same criteria and is subject to other restrictions as outlined in the staff report dated March 31, 2010.
The applicant's lot does meet the criteria required by the Code, and the proposed house will conform with
the R -1A District setbacks.
Tom Velmer, the applicant's contractor, said that they would like to keep the existing garage for storage
as it is currently being used and, if necessary, tear it down after the house is constructed. He said the
applicant would also like to keep the deck and shed by the lake if there is any way to do so.
Mary Edwards, property owner, reiterated that she would like to keep the garage and shed. She said there
is a motorized ramp for getting down to the Lakeshore which ends at the deck and shed area and her
elderly mother couldn't get down to the lake any other way.
Commissioner Vilett asked if the nonconforming structures would have to be removed if this were a
remodel rather than a rebuild. Director Nielsen responded that if just a portion of the house were being
replaced through remodeling, and the replacement represented 50 percent or more of its value, the same
conditions would apply. The same rule applies if an addition to a house equals 50 percent or more of
increase in gross floor area. Nielsen pointed out that the ramp and stairs are permitted to remain,
including a landing area near the lake up to 4 by 8 feet in size. The only option for keeping the
nonconforming structures is to apply for a variance and demonstrate a hardship.
Commissioner Arnst asked if the garage could remain during construction. Nielsen said the practice has
been to allow that and require an escrow deposit to ensure its removal after construction is complete.
Chair Geng opened and closed the Public Testimony portion of the Public Hearing at 7:26 P.M.
Commissioner Hasek asked if it was clear where the bluff is located on the lot because it appears that the
house could be moved closer toward the lake which would allow for a deeper garage to compensate for
storage space lost with the garage removal. Nielsen said the bluff line is very distinct at the site, but it's
possible that there is room to shift the house location.
Hasek moved, Hutchins seconded, to recommend approval of the conditional use permit subject to
the recommendations outlined in the staff report dated March 31, 2010, and to recommend that the
existing garage be allowed to remain on the site during construction and removed no later than two
weeks after the issuance of a Certificate of Occupancy. Motion passed 6/0.
2. 7:10 P.M. PUBLIC HEARING — CODE AMENDMENT FOR ZONING PERMITS
Director Nielsen said, as has been discussed at previous meetings, a system of Zoning Permits is proposed
to require a permit for activities that are not adequately covered by the State Building Code, but are
regulated by the Zoning Code. He said he plans to prepare a brochure for Zoning Permits as a means of
information and education about the requirements.
Hutchins moved Vilett seconded, to recommend approval of the Code Amendment for the
establishment of a system of Zoning Permits.
Commissioner Davis commented that, as a homeowner, she thought this amendment was a form of
micromanagement. Commissioner Arnst agreed. The Commissioners discussed the pros and cons
of the proposed code.
Motion passed 4/2 (Davis and Arnst opposed). ATTACHMENT III
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TO: Planning Commission
FROM: Brad Nielsen
DATE: 11 March 2010
RE: Zoning Permits — Preliminary Draft
FILE NO. 405(Zoning)
Attached is a preliminary draft of the language establishing zoning permits for
activities that do not require building permits, but for which the City desires to
monitor. As always, deletions to the existing text are shown with stfikeouts and
additions are shown in red.
Relative to the Planning Commission's concern about what fee to charge, we found
that the Building Official's loaded labor rate is approximately $45 per hour. Based on
roughly one half hour of administrative /inspection time, we are suggesting a minimal
fee of $25 ($20 had previously been suggested).
The amendment will be scheduled for a public hearing on 6 April.
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Brian Heck
Mary Tietjen
Patti Helgesen
Joe Pazandak
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Subd. 1. Certificate of occupancy.
a. No building or structure hereafter erected or moved, or that portion of an
existing structure or building erected or moved, shall be occupied or used
in whole or in part for any purpose whatsoever until a certificate of
occupancy shall have been issued by the Building Official stating that the
building or structure complies with all of the provisions within this
chapter.
Sttbd. 2. h. The certificate shall be applied for coincidentally with the application for a
building permit, conditional use permit and /or variance and shall be issued
within ten days after the Building Official shall have found the building or
structure satisfactory and given final inspection. The application shall be
accompanied by a fee as established by City Council resolution.
Subd. 2. Zoning Permits.
a. A zoning permit shall be required for activities that do not require building
permits but for which it is necessary to determine compliance with zoning
requirements such as setbacks, impervious surface coverage, structure
height, etc.:
(1) Accessory buildings less than 120 square feet in area.
(2) Fences.
(3) Driveways.
(4) Temporary signs.
(5) Sport and tennis courts.
(6) Patios and sidewalks.
(7) Retaining walls higher than three feet (no separate permit required
when a building permit is required for grading).
(8) Above - ground fireplaces and cooking facilities, but not including
portable appliances.
(1987 Code, 1201.07)
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Councilmember Bailey stated he would be opposed to changing the language to include a "for cause"
provision. Just cause provisions are needed for termination of people employed by the City whose
livelihood is dependant on Council's rationale actions. He did not think that was needed for volunteer
commissioners. He agreed that Council should be able to remove a commissioner from their position
without just cause. He noted he would not take such a decision lightly, and he couldn't imagine a
situation in which he would make such a decision. Nevertheless, he did think councils should have the
right to do that.
Bailey then stated he did not think that the reference to the Planning Commission Chair excusing
absences needed to be added back to Councils revised Section 201.05 Attendance. He reiterated a
statement he made during Council's April 12 meeting that he thought the bar was set low when requiring
50 percent attendance at the Commission's meetings. Councilmember Turgeon stated with regard to the
statement "In addition, failure to attend four - consecutive regular meetings without the excuse of the Chair
of the Planning Commission shall be considered as formal notice of resignation" the Planning
Commission thought Council should consider removing "without the excuse of the Chair of the Planning
Commission ". Bailey stated he did not think there was inconsistency. He could envision a commissioner
missing four consecutive meetings, for example due to an illness, and the chair excusing that absence.
Mayor Liz6e and Councilmembers Bailey and Zerby thought that decision should be left up to the Chair.
Lizee thought it would be common courtesy for a commissioner to let the chair know of an extended
absence. Turgeon thought it should be up to the entire Commission to decide to excuse an extended
absence.
Woodruff moved, Bailey seconded, Approving ORDINANCE NO. 466 "An Ordinance Amending
the Shorewood City Code to Replace Existing Chapter 201 in its Entirety with a Revised Chapter
201 (Planning Commission)" as included in the meeting packet for this meeting, and Adopting
RESOLUTION NO. 10- 020 "A Resolution Approving Publication of Ordinance No. 466 by Title
and Summary."
Councilmember Turgeon stated if Council accepts the by -laws for the Planning Commission then she
recommended the by -laws for the Park Commission be consistent with the Planning Commission by-
laws.
Motion passed 4/1 with Turgeon dissenting.
Bailey moved, Woodruff seconded, directing Staff to review the by -laws for the Park Commission
and to draft language to conform with the language in the by -laws for the Planning Commission,
and to route the draft amendment to the Park Commission for comment. Motion passed 510.
C. City Code Amendment — Establishing Zoning Permits
Director Nielsen stated Staff has recommended an amendment to the Shorewood Zoning Code
establishing a system of zoning permits where the use of building permits is not appropriate. Staff
proposes that the following types of projects require a zoning pert in the City: accessory buildings less
than 120 square feet in floor area; fences (if a fence is not over 6 feet the Building Code doesn't address
it); driveways; temporary signs; sport and tennis courts; patios and sidewalks; retaining walls higher than
three feet; and, above - ground fireplaces and cooking facilities, but not including portable appliances.
Without a permit process, there is no way to monitor these activities for compliance. Nielsen noted the
Planning Commission voted on a 4/2 vote to recommend the Zoning Code amendment for zoning
permits.
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Councilmember Bailey asked if the zoning permit for driveways is only for new driveways. Director
Nielsen responded it would include replacement driveways as well. He explained if the driveway was too
close to a lot line it may have to be moved.
Councilmember Woodruff stated it's his understanding that the two Planning Commissioners who
dissented on recommending the amendment expressed concern about "creeping big government ". He
indicated he could appreciate their perspective. He questioned how effective the City could be in getting
residents to comply with the zoning permit process. With regard to a zoning permit for temporary signs,
he asked if a resident would have to get a permit to put up a garage sale sign. Director Nielsen stated
garage sale signs are exempt provided a resident doesn't have more than four sales in a year. Woodruff
stated he would be more comfortable if temporary signs were not included in the list for zoning permits
because everything else on the list is permanent structure. Nielsen stated currently a building permit
application is required for temporary signs, but Staff believes that is the wrong application to make.
Councilmember Zerby stated lie agreed with Councilmember Woodruff s comment regarding the size of
government and the burden it places on the City. He questioned how this could be enforced. He stated the
$20 permit fee would not cover Staff's time. Director Nielsen stated the Planning Commission
recommended the fee be raised to $25. Zerby stated he is not in favor of this zoning permit process.
Councilmember Turgeon stated the two Planning Commissioners who dissented thought this would be
micromanaging residents. Part of the dissention was about the items listed was not all inclusive. Things
such big play areas are not covered. She expressed that she personally doesn't have an issue with
including driveways. She stated the current Building Code states sheds less than 100 square feet do not
require a zoning permit, yet the State's requirement is for sheds under 120 square feet. Director Nielsen
stated the entire proposed list is more restrictive than the State's.
Councilmember Turgeon stated she doesn't agree with a lot that is on the list. She then stated it appears
this system for zoning permits will ensure people don't encroach on another person's property. This
process lets residents know there are rules that must be adhered to. Councilmember Zerby stated there are
rules in place today. Director Nielsen stated the rules that pertain to the list of items are already in
existence; what's missing is a permit requirement.
This item died for lack of a motion.
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9. ENGINEERING /PUBLIC WORKS
A. Accepting Plans, Specifications and Authorizing Advertisement for Bids for
Bituminous Seal Coating of Street in 2010
Engineer Landini read the list of 38 roadways scheduled for bituminous seal coating in 2010. He noted
there is $214,400 budgeted for this effort. The bid opening is scheduled for Wednesday May 19, 2010, at
10:00 A.M.
Landini explained the resolution included in the meeting packet states the advertisement for bids will be
inserted in the Construction Bulletin. Unfortunately, the City received notice on April 22, 2010, that the
Construction Bulletin is no longer advertising. If approved, the resolution will be rectified to specify
where the advertisement for bids will be published.
Woodruff moved, Zerby seconded, Adopting RESOLUTION NO. 10 -019 "A Resolution Approving
Specifications and Estimate and Authorizing Advertisements for Bide for Bituminous Seal Coat