12-1-2020 Planning Commission Agenda Packet
CITY OF SHOREWOOD COUNCIL CHAMBERS
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING 5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD
TUESDAY DECEMBER 1, 2020 7:00 P.M.
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A G E N D A
CALL TO ORDER ROLL CALL / (LIAISON) SCHEDULE
MADDY (FEB) ______
GORHAM () ______
EGGENBERGER (NOV) _ _
GAULT (DEC) ______
RIEDEL (JAN) ______
COUNCIL LIAISON (SIAKEL) ______
1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
November 17, 2020
3. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR
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This portion of the meeting allows members of the public the opportunity to bring up items that are not on
the agenda. Each speaker has a maximum of five minutes to present their topic. Multiple speakers may
not bring up the same points. No decisions would be made on the topic at the meeting except that the
item may be deferred to staff or the City Council for more information.)
4. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A) PUD Amendment for Minnetonka Country Club- 5920 Club Valley Road
Applicant: TTD Land Holdings LLC (Gonyea Homes)
Location: 5920 Club Valley Road
B) CUP for a special purpose fence
Applicant: Roger and Roberta Aronson
Location: 5730 Club Lane
5. REPORTS
Council Meeting Report
Draft Next Meeting Agenda
8. ADJOURNMENT
CITY OF SHOREWOOD COUNCIL CHAMBERS
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING 5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD
TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 17, 2020 7:00 P.M.
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
Chair Maddy called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M.
ROLL CALL
Present: Chair Maddy; Commissioners Eggenberger, Gorham, Gault and Riedel; Planning
Director Darling; and Emma Notermann, Planning Technician
Absent: None
1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Riedel moved, Gault seconded, approving the agenda for November 17, 2020, as
presented. Roll Call Vote: Ayes – all. Motion passed 5/0.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
October 6, 2020
Riedel moved, Gault seconded, approving the Planning Commission Meeting Minutes of
October 6, 2020, as presented. Roll Call Vote: Ayes – all. Motion passed 5/0.
3. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR
Tim Liester, 26355 Oak Ridge Circle, stated that he had spoken briefly at the October 6, 2020
Planning Commission meeting. He stated that regarding Fire Lane #3, there was a decision made
last year to do a study and the City closed the fire lane based on of the current rules. He explained
that he has signatures from a group of people that would like to see an amendment to make this
fire lane a Class 2. He stated that he is an advocate of the City formally studying this issue and
would like the City to allow reasonable access in a manner consistent with how they have been
using it for 30 years. He stated that “reasonable access” to him means restrictions on hours and
speed but snowmobile and 4-wheeler access be allowed because it has been used in this fashion
for 30+ years. He asked that the City look at all sides of the issue before a decision is made.
Planning Director Darling noted that discussion of the fire lanes is item 6A on tonight’s agenda.
4. PUBLIC HEARINGS
Chair Maddy explained the Planning Commission is comprised of residents of the City of
Shorewood who are serving as volunteers on the Commission. The Commissioners are
appointed by the City Council. The Commission’s role is to help the City Council in
determining zoning and planning issues. One of the Commission’s responsibilities is to
hold public hearings and to help develop the factual record for an application and to make
a non-binding recommendation to the City Council. The recommendation is advisory only.
A. PUBLIC HEARING– SPECIAL HOME OCCUPATION PERMIT (in home salon)
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Applicant: Tasha Wagner
Location: 5740 Wood Duck Circle
Chair Maddy opened the Public Hearing at 7:09 p.m.
Planning Technician Notermann explained that Tasha Wagner, 5740 Wood Duck Circle has
applied for a Special Home Occupation permit to operate a salon inside of her home. She stated
that the salon will be operated by Ms. Wagner to provide typical beauty services. She noted that
the layout changes and additional plumbing line will not change the residential character of the
neighborhood because they are all internal. Client parking will be located off-street because she
has ample room in her driveway for her customers. She stated that the City received one e-mail
from Verjean Schindeldecker, 23630 McClain Road which was been added to the record. Staff
recommends approval.
Commissioner Riedel asked if the Special Home Occupation Permit was perpetual or if would be
renewed periodically.
Planning Technician Notermann stated that when the permit is first issued, it is valid for 1 year
and after that, the renewal period is every 3 years.
Tasha Wagner, 5740 Wood Duck Circle, stated that she has been doing hair for 15 years and
would like to have the convenience and privacy of having an in-home salon. She stated that most
of her clients have been with her for a long time and are respectable people. She noted that she
doesn’t feel they will cause any problems driving through the neighborhood. She stated that she
plans to keep business hours between 8:00 a.m. and 8:00 p.m.
Commissioner Gorham asked if Ms. Wagner had read the CDC guidance for business owners on
beauty salons.
Ms. Wagner stated that she has not read it yet. She noted that she still has to go take her test for
salon license and a manager’s license. She stated that she is studying up on all of this type of
information and will have to pass those exams before she is allowed to have an in-home salon.
Chair Maddy asked if Ms. Wagner was already working in this field and if she was already familiar
with some of the precautions, such as face shields.
Ms. Wagner stated she is working and works in a salon where both clients and stylists wear masks
for their entire service.
Commissioner Gorham asked if they use blow dryers.
Ms. Wagner stated that they do use blow dryers.
Commissioner Gorham asked about spacing or partitions in her salon area.
Planning Director Darling noted that Ms. Wagner is only allowed to have one client at a time.
Commissioner Gorham asked if a client comes while she is working on another person if they
would just wait outside.
Ms. Wagner stated that they can wait outside or she has a separate room that can be used as a
waiting area. She noted that she will sanitize everything per client.
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Commissioner Gault asked if the area she would be using is ADA compliant.
Ms. Wagner stated that she has wheelchair accessible sidewalk, her flooring is concrete, and
there will be assisted rails in the restrooms.
Commissioner Gault suggested that she also make sure her access doors meet the minimum
width requirements.
Commissioner Riedel asked if commercial building codes or residential building codes applied to
a home business.
Planning Director Darling stated that the home does not need to be brought up to a commercial
building standard because this type of permit still falls under the residential code. She noted that
the ADA requirements that apply for commercial businesses do not apply in this instance. She
stated that Ms. Wagner will require a building permit to put in the plumbing line for the shampoo
bow and will also need to supply the City with copies of the other licensing she receives from
other agencies.
There being no additional public testimony, Chair Maddy closed the Public Testimony portion of
the Public Hearing at 7:25 P.M.
Eggenberger moved, Gorham seconded, recommending approval of the request for a
Special Home Occupation Permit for Tasha Wagner at 5740 Wood Duck Circle, with the
requirement that copies of all necessary permits and licenses be provided to the City. Roll
Call Vote: Ayes – all. Motion passed 5/0.
B. PUBLIC HEARING– Zoning Ordinance Text Amendment for Multiple Sections
Applicant: City of Shorewood
Planning Director Darling explained that the various text amendments are split between
housekeeping, which cleans up spelling and grammar issues and more substantive changes.
She noted that the substantive amendments relate to things like the lighting regulations, the PUD
process, and zoning permit language. She highlighted a few of the items that had been changed
since the last time the Commission had seen this information.
Commissioner Eggenberger asked about change #12 on page 20 regarding the amount of time
to remove the old dwelling. He asked if the 2-week time period was enough time.
Planning Director Darling stated that it generally takes a lot less time than to put it up and noted
that 2-3 days is common.
Chair Maddy asked if it would make more sense to have a Certificate of Occupancy.
Planning Director Darling stated that if the Planning Commission would like to see this changed,
she can make the change.
After discussion, there was a Consensus of the Planning Commission to change the
stipulation from potable water to a Certificate of Occupancy for the new dwelling for item
#12, page 20.
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The Commission discussed the time period for removal of the structure and came to a
consensus to extend the time period to one month from Certificate of Occupancy.
Commissioner Riedel asked about impervious surfaces and cantilever lighting.
Planning Director Darling noted that this language is consistent with how the City has been
applying that definition for cantilevers and overhangs.
Commissioner Riedel asked how decks are treated and whether they were considered
impervious.
Planning Director Darling stated that she considers them pervious as long as there is spacing
between the boards, it does not have a rough structure over it, and nothing below the deck that
would stop water, air, or roots from passing through.
Commissioner Riedel asked about the definition between basement and cellar and asked if that
was a standard definition because he thinks of them as synonymous.
Planning Director Darling stated that this is the standard definition and is fairly consistent with the
building code. She noted that this is not necessarily how laymen use the terms, but is how it is
defined in the building code.
Chair Maddy opened the Public Hearing at 7:44 P.M. noting the procedures used in a Public
Hearing.
There being no public comment, Chair Maddy closed the Public Hearing at 7:44 p.m.
Commissioner Gault complimented Planning Director Darling and staff on their work on this
document.
Commissioner Eggenberger noted that he agreed because he knows this was a lot of tedious
work.
Riedel moved, Gorham seconded, recommending approval of the proposed Code
Amendments with the change made regarding multiple dwellings on a single property. Roll
Call Vote: Ayes - all 5/0.
5. NEW BUSINESS
6. OTHER BUSINESS
A.Fire Lane Discussion – Discuss Information Requested at September 1, 2020 Joint
Park/Planning Meeting
Chair Maddy asked if the Commission had any questions about the detailed information that was
included in the packet.
Commissioner Riedel stated that he thought it was thoughtful response from DNR and the County
because there could be tax implications for vacating the lots. He stated that he thinks in many
cases the owners would be happy to have more lakefront property through the vacation process,
but it could mean an increase in their taxes. He stated that he would like to know if there is a
process of consultation and what would happen if the homeowner would object to involuntarily
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acquiring the additional lot. He asked if they could refuse it and whether the City would then
choose not to proceed with the vacation process.
Planning Director Darling stated that she has never seen that happen, but she would assume that
the Council would choose not to proceed with the vacation.
Commissioner Riedel stated that then he believes it becomes a simple discussion with the
homeowner.
Planning Director Darling noted that this is true, but it will also need to go through the DNR.
Commissioner Gault stated that he assumed that if the fire lane is between two properties, the
first offer would be split it equally between the two adjacent properties.
Planning Director Darling stated that would not necessarily be the case. She stated that the land
has to go back to the property it initially came from.
Commissioner Eggenberger asked in this situation if the property it was taken from declined it, if
the other adjacent property owner would have the right to acquire the property.
Planning Director Darling stated that they would not, but the initial property owner could accept it
and then subdivide their lot to sell it to the adjacent property owner. Planning Director Darling
gave an overview of the discussion that took place at the November10, 2020 Park Commission
meeting as reflected in the minutes. She noted that they recommended that the City vacate Fire
Lanes #8-10 on Lake William, remove Fire Lane #2 as a fire lane from the zoning map and the
text of the ordinance, but leave the easements in place. She stated that they also suggested
another joint meeting with the Planning Commission to discuss in more details Fire Lanes #1, #3.
#4, #5, and #6 and recommended that staff reinstall the barriers at Fire Lane #3 to stop
snowmobiles from using the fire lane until the ordinance is amended. She asked the Commission
to look over the information that they had requested at the Joint Park/Planning meeting and
reconfirm their recommendations to the Council.
Mr. Liester asked if while the City was still reviewing this if they would consider a reasonable
approach for the winter of 2020-2021 with limited hours and speed rather than installing barriers
to completely stop the use of Fire Lane #3. He suggested that this approach could be used on a
trail basis to take a look at what a possible future situation could look like if the City amends the
Fire Lanes and their use.
Commissioner Riedel stated that to allow that would require a code change because Fire Lane
#3 currently says no motorized access although he feels it is a reasonable suggestion.
Mr. Liester stated that it would just be using the fire lane in the manner in which it has been used
for years. He noted that he had spoken with the nearby property owners and feels that the
adjacent property owners would agree to controlled use of the Fire Lane. He reiterated that he is
advocating for some sort of controlled access with limited hours of operation and speed.
Commissioner Gorham stated that he feels the adjacent property owner has been quite gracious
about trying to find the middle ground. He noted that one of the challenges is that when he bought
the property, the code said no motorized vehicles would be allowed. He stated that he has
concerns about the fairness of that, but does feel that particular homeowner is willing to work on
a solution. He stated that one of the things missing from the packet is the feasibility of what these
control measures may look like.
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Mr. Liester stated that he agreed and believes that the details such as signs and hours could be
worked on.
Commissioner Gault stated that the biggest concern was people buzzing through at midnight or
later because that is near their bedrooms.
Commissioner Gorham stated that there were also issues with people driving around the bollards
onto his bushes.
Commissioner Eggenberger stated that he agrees with the Park Commission recommendations
to look in greater detail at Fire Lanes #1, #3, #4, #5, and #6 and hold another joint meeting.
Chair Maddy stated that he had no idea it would be such a detailed process to vacate property
that is connected to water.
Commissioner Gorham noted that the vacation could be denied as well.
Chair Maddy asked if City Attorney Keane had taken a look at precedent for shutting down lake
access.
Planning Director Darling stated that he had not.
Chair Maddy stated that is a question that should definitely be asked before attempting to move
forward on this issue. He stated that seeing all the hoops that need to be jumped through made
him realize why the City has been sitting on these for so many years.
Commissioner Eggenberger asked what the Park Commission recommendation was for Fire Lane
#7.
Planning Director Darling stated that access was proposed to be kept for access to Lake William.
Commissioner Riedel stated that he would suggest that the Planning Commission and Park
Commission make an effort to resolve this issue, since previous Councils discussed this issue in
the 1970s and 1980s without resolution. He stated that he would center all discussion on Fire
Lanes #3 through #6. He stated that for Fire Lanes #1 and #7, he does not see those ever-having
use or having a value to the City.
Commissioner Gorham stated that he agrees a bit with some of the caution that the DNR takes
regarding present versus future use as well as thoughts about equity to lake access. He noted
that some of these Fire Lanes are inaccessible.
Commissioner Gault noted that they are inaccessible because they have not been maintained.
Commissioner Gorham stated that to him, it feels counterintuitive to take the lake access and give
it to the people who already have lake access and also feels that approach lacks imagination.
Planning Director Darling noted that after she had written this report, she got an estimate from
Public Works on the cost to open up a walkway to the shore or the top of the bluff. She stated
that the estimate is approximately $25,000 which would be for all ten Fire Lanes.
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Commissioner Riedel discussed the one fire lane off of Eureka that was a bit wider and he thinks
the point could be made that a trail could be cut through in this location.
Commissioner Eggenberger asked if that would then be called a park rather than a Fire Lane.
Planning Director Darling stated that it would be public access.
Commissioner Eggenberger stated that the comment made by Commissioner Gorham resonates
with him that it doesn’t make sense to take public lake access and give it to somebody who already
has lake access.
Commissioner Riedel stated that Fire Lane #7 on Lake William is a wooded area that accesses a
small lake. He stated that there will be very little pressure for people to get on that lake and they
can always get in from the Deephaven side by the bridge. He stated that he feels it is very unlikely
that anybody would ever use this access and suggested removing it from discussion.
Commissioner Eggenberger suggested setting up a meeting with the Park Commission to discuss
this more thoroughly.
Planning Director Darling suggested that a joint meeting be held in January or February.
Commissioner Gorham asked Planning Director Darling to get information regarding a security
gate and the police department involvement. He asked if the City put in some sort of security
gate that opened and closed at certain times whether the police would have to visit it every night.
He explained that he would like to know what the City would be committing to if they say it will be
closed at 10:00 p.m. and how this would be enforced. He stated that he does not want there to
be an unenforceable time restriction and asked if the City also needed to hear from the fire chief
on this issue.
Planning Director Darling stated that she can reach out to the fire chief for comment but noted
that in the 1986 discussions, there was acknowledgement that the Fire Lanes were no longer
used for fires. She stated that even if the City wanted to, it does not have a pumper truck that
could get water out of the lake in order to fight a fire.
Commissioner Riedel stated that it appears as though the Planning Commission is in agreement
with the Park Commission recommendations with a few minor differences.
Commissioner Gorham stated that for the sake of the snowmobilers, he is happy to have the joint
meeting before January or February.
Commissioner Eggenberger agreed that he is willing to meet as soon as possible.
Commissioner Riedel stated that he would also like there to be additional discussion on the idea
of making all of the fire lanes accessible, especially for Fire Lane #5 because it is so wide and the
cost is not prohibitive.
Planning Director Darling noted that the proposed $25,000 did not include spraying for noxious
weeds which will cost $300-$400 more per fire lane.
Commissioner Riedel suggested that the City could again get the goats involved for the buckthorn
He asked if there was a permitting process for clearing buckthorn with goats and suggested that
the City may want to consider that.
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Planning Director Darling stated that currently goats are not allowed permanently in the City.
Chair Maddy asked if the Commission would like to discuss the possibility of allowing goats in the
City.
The Commission discussed goats, snowmobile use in the City, and details on the fire lane access.
There was a Consensus to have a future discussion about goats in the City.
There was a Consensus to hold the Joint Park/Planning meeting as soon as possible.
7. REPORTS
• Council Meeting Report
Planning Director Darling reported on matters considered and actions taken during Council’s
November 9, 2020, meeting (as detailed in the minutes for that meeting).
Commissioner Gorham noted that there was an item that the Planning Commission
recommended denial of a variance request for a deck and the Council voted to approve it.
Planning Director Darling explained the Council’s reasoning behind approval of the variance
request.
• Draft Next Meeting Agenda
Planning Director Darling stated there is a PUD amendment for Minnetonka Country Club and a
CUP for a specialty fence slated for the next agenda.
8. ADJOURNMENT
Riedel moved, Gault seconded, adjourning the Planning Commission Meeting of
November 17, 2020, at 8:39 P.M. Roll Call Cote: Ayes – all. Motion passed 5/0.
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