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CITY OF SHOREWOOD
REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING
MONDAY, FEBRUARY 25, 1985
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD
7:30 P.M.
M I NUT E S
CALL TO ORDER
The regular meeting of the Shorewood City Council was called to order
by Mayor Rascop at 7:30 P.M., Monday, February 25, 1985.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Mayor Rascop opened the meeting with the Pledge of Allegiance and a
Prayer.
ROLL CALL
Present: Mayor Rascop; Councilmembers Haugen, Shaw, Stover and Gagne.
Staff: Attorney Larson, Engineers Norton and Morast, Planner
Nielsen, Administrator Vogt, and Clerk Kennelly.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Gagne moved, seconded by Haugen to approve the minutes of the regular
Council Meeting held February 11, 1985 as corrected. Motion carried -
4 ayes, 1 abstain (Stover - due to absenoe from that meeting).
PARK COMMISSION REPORT
Carol Butterfield reported on the plans for a broomball tournament to
be held at Badger. The Commission interviewed Mrs. Richie Hemping for
the vacancy available after the resignation of Roger Stein.
Funds were requested for the following:
2 Freeman Park signs
Tennis net
Paint - Cathcart warming house
Used vacuum cleaner
4 appreciation dinners for
rink attendants
$254.40 (cedar)
110.00
100.00
100.00
40.00
Gagne moved, seconded by Stover to authorize the requests, omitting
the dinners until a legal opinion can be obtained. Motion carried-5 ayes.
CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING (JANUARY 28, 1985)
TRAFFIC STUDY ACCEPTANCE
Council reviewed all new written comments received. Many of the letters
requested the City to do a corridor study covering the area between
Excelsior and State Highway 101. Stover asked, who would be responsible
for paying for a corridor study? Engineer Morast indicated MnDOT would
ask the City to participate in the cost or a request could be made to
MnDOT and they would put it on their list to do on their own timetable.
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~ Traffic Study Hearing, continued:
Stover asked if Minnetonka requested the study, would Shorewood have to
participate. Morast felt we would pay nothing unless we volunteered
to join the request.
Gagne moved, seconded by Haugen to accept the traffic study and submit
Alternate Plan #3 to MnDOT for approval. Shaw offered an amendment
to the motion to delete paragraph #2 of Section 4.0 of the traffic
study. Amendment was denied - 2 ayes (Rascop and Shaw), 3 nays. Council
then discussed various other options of solving the existing Vine Hill
Road intersection.
Rascop offered an amendment to Gagne's motion to include a slip on and
slip off ramp with the closing of the south side of the Vine Hill/
Highway 7 intersection, seconded by Haugen. Gagne accepted a slip off
east bound only. Amendment was accepted - 4 ayes, 1 nay (Shaw).
TRAFFIC STUDY
RESOLUTION NO. 10-85
Motion offered by Gagne, seconded by Haugen to accept the Traffic Study
and forward Plan #3 to MnDOT with the south side closing of Vine Hill
Road/State Highway 7 intersection with a slip off ramp eastbound on
the basis of safety. Motion carried by roll call vote - 3 ayes, 2 nays
(Rascop and Shaw).
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PRESENTATION OF SERVICE AWARD - ROGER STEIN
Mayor Rascop presented a plaque to Roger Stein for his eight years of
service to the Park Commission. Members of the Park Commission were
there in support of the presentation.
SHOREWOOD YACHT CLUB DISCUSSION
Mr. Ronald Zamansky, Attorney, representing John Cross and the
Minnetonka Mooring Inc. came before the Council to explain the changes
under the new ownership of the Yacht Club. Minnetonka Mooring Inc.
will form a Minnesota non-profit corporation that will be member-owned
with the lease of each of the 80 docks to the members. Shaw moved
seconded by Gagne to authorize the Mayor to sign a statement that
approves the operational changes and ownership of the Yacht Club.
Motion carried - 4 ayes, 1 abstain (Haugen).
Haugen would like to make sure the current boat storage is not on the
railroad right-of-way.
1985 DOCK LICENSES
RESOLUTION NO. 11-85
Gagne moved, seconded by Haugen to issue the following Dock Licenses:
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1. Mrs. Adeline Johnson
2. Minnetonka Portable Dredging
3. Boulder Bridge Farm
4. Howard's Point Marina
5. Upper Lake Minnetonka Yacht Club
6. Minnetonka Moorings, Inc. - Shorewood Yacht Club
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. 1985 Dock Licenses, continued:
Motion carried by roll call vote - 5 ayes.
AMENDMENT TO ORDINANCE NO. 140 - 1ST READING
Attorney Larson informed the Council that if they decide to retain the
helmet rule, that it should be enforced.
Haugen moved, seconded by Shaw to keep and enforce the "helmet rule"
and to authorize the purchase of helmets for use at each of the City
rinks. Motion was denied - 2 ayes (Shaw and Haugen), 3 nays.
Stover moved, seconded by Gagne to delete Section 2, Subdivision 5,
Article C with sufficient public notification.
Motion carried - 3 ayes, 2 nays as the 1st reading of the Ordinance
amendment.
DECEMBER FINANCIAL STATEMENT REVIEW
Finance Director Beck reviewed the December Statement and tentative
year-end total, final 1984 Budget audit has not been completed.
HARDING ACRES - FINAL PLAT APPROVAL
RESOLUTION NO. 12-85
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Engineer Norton has reviewed grading, drainage and utility plans sub-
mitted by TKDA Engineers for the development of Harding Acres. Gagne
expressed concerns that no added drainage be allowed to flow into the
Glen Road area drainage problem. Engineer Norton explained the plans
for the flow to go to the area to the northwest behind the current
Wild Duck 2nd addition. The developer will be responsible to install
ponding areas and a complete drainage system prior to turning the
responsibility of maintenance over to the City.
A request from the developer to be allowed to hookup 2 lots that face
Smithtown Road at the manhole instead of the line was recommended by
Engineer Norton. The line is approximately 23 feet deep and would
cause large cuts in Smithtown Road in order to install.
Haugen moved, seconded by Stover to approve the preliminary plat
according to the seven (7) recommendations set by Planner Nielsen
and in accordance with Engineer's letter dated February 19, 1985
(Planner Recommendations and Engineer's letter dated 2/19/85 attached
herein). Motion carried by Roll Call Vote - 5 ayes.
SEWER AND WATER BUDGET REVIEW
Finance Director Beck reviewed for the Council the Sewer and Water
Budget, going over the revenues and expenditures.
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Gagne moved, seconded by Stover to adopt the Sewer and Water Budget
as submitted. Motion carried - 5 ayes.
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ATTORNEY'S REPORT
Attorney Larson asked the Council how they would like him to handle
the Cabalka issue prior to his leaving the City position. He would
like to have this matter remain status quo until a new City Attorney
has been appointed. Council agreed not to pursue at this time.
ENGINEER'S REPORT
Amesbury Water Complaint
Engineer Norton reviewed his report in reference to a complaint received
from Mr. Berman of 20390 Knightsbridge Road. Norton felt that occasional
flushing through Mr. Berman's outside faucet would clear up the rust
problem. Credit should be given on his water bill for flushing. We
should also make sure the outside faucet does not go through the softener.
Haugen moved, seconded by Stover to follow the Engineer's recommendation
and contact Mr. Berman asking for his cooperation. Motion carried -
4 ayes, 1 nay (Gagne - did not feel Mr. Berman should have to flush
his own line).
ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT
Public Works Department
Administrator Vogt recommended a position for 2nd in Command be set
up with a description of job duties to be then applied for by the
current employees, the most qualified would then be appointed.
Hourly rate will have to be agreed upon with the Union.
Vogt informed the Council of his denial of 2 hours of pay requested
by two employees of the Public Works Department for making phone calls
to Munitech to relay a call from the Police Department.
Rascop moved, seconded by Haugen to support the Administrator's
denial of the pay request.
CDBG HEARING SET
Rascop moved, seconded by Shaw to set a Public Hearing for March 25,
1985 for the purpose of reallocating previous funds. Motion carried
- 5 ayes.
Authorize Advertisement for Bids
Gagne moved, seconded by Rascop to authorize the advertisement of bids
for the purchase of a new loader and utility tractor. Motion
carried - 5 ayes.
PLANNER'S REPORT
Kuempel Chime Building Permit
Planner Nielsen reviewed the permit to install a 8 x 8 spray painting
booth, the local Fire Marshall has also reviewed the booth plans.
Shaw moved, seconded by Haugen to issue the permit subject to the
permit being revoked if complaints are received by adjoining property
owners. Motion carried - 4 ayes, 1 nay (Stover).
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Planner's Report, continued:
Howard's Point Marina Permit
Gagne moved, seconded by Shaw to approve the issuance of a permit for
reroofing a shed. Motion carried - 5 ayes.
MAYOR'S REPORT
Police Department is still looking at various sites to locate a new
Police Department building.
Mayor and Administrator will be attending a Comparable Worth session
on March 8th.
COUNCIL REPORTS
March 7th there will be a Plmrrrrng and Zoning Seminar to be held at
the Earl Brown Institute.
Haugen would like direction from the Council regarding the support of
continuing or discontinuing contribution and receipt of Revenue Sharing
Funds. Council indicated she should support the discontinuation of
the Funds at the AMM Meeting.
APPROVAL OF CLAIMS AND ADJOURNMENT
Haugen moved, seconded by Rascop to adjourn the regular Council Meeting
of February 25, 1985 at 11:00 P.M. subject to approval of claims for
payment. Motion carried - 5 ayes.
General Fund (Acct. #00166)
Liquor Fund (Acct. #00174)
Respectfully submitted,
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Mayor
Sandra L. Kennelly
City Clerk
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ORR .SCHELEN. MAYERON & ASSOCIATES, INC.
Consulting Engineers
Land Surveyors
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February 25, 1985
Mr. Dan Vogt, Administrator
City of Shorewood
5755 Country Club Road
Shorewood, MN 55331
Re: Amesbury Water line Discussion
Dear Dan:
Recently there has been some discussion about the rusty water problem at the
Amesbury site and no means of flushing the line. While I realize that Mr.
Berman (the end house) periodically has a rusty water problem, I would like
to show that there was no design error in the water system layout.
A few key issues affect how the system was designed and why it has problems
from time to time. They are as follows:
(1) UNITS SERVED: Originally when this area was in the planning stage there
were goi ng to be fi ve townhouse units, as can be seen on the attached
copy of the sewer as-builts. This would have meant a significantly
higher water use on this line which would help keep the water fresh and
the pipe line flushed out. Due to a change in housing trends the town-
houses were not as marketable and 2 court-yard homes were constructed
instead. The net effect was a reduction in water use by 2-1/2 times.
WATER USE: Owners of the court-yard homes sometimes take extended vaca-
tions leaving their homes unused for some time. The effect on the water
service is that it stands dormant allowing the water to turn color and
become stale. For a water system to stay fresh it must experience
cont i nuous use.
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SERVICE LINE: When the system was laid out there was no intention to
use this line as part of the distribution system. Therefore, the pipe
that was installed was classified as a service line. As can be seen on
the attached copy of the July 1977 Opflow (an AWWA PUblication) small
lines come in a variety of sizes. We probably could have used a 3" for
this service line instead of a 4". However, regardless of size, the
line still falls under the category of a service line. As such it could
not be installed with a hydrant on the end of it.
WATER MAIN DESIGN: Fire hydrants can not be connected to supply mains
not intended to carry fire - flows. In residential districts, mains
should be at least 6" in diameter. (Two sentences from the 1968 edition
of the Recommended Standards for Water Works, i.e., the 10-State
Standards) .
(4)
As can be seen on the water main as-built, the distribution system (6"
lines and larger) was laid out to serve this area with the appropriate
hydrant spacing (maximum 500' apart). With this layout adequate supply
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Mr. Dan Vogt, Administrator
City of Shorewood
February 25, 1985
is available and the mains can be flushed with the hydrants. House
service lines were intended to be used continuously thus keeping them
flushed.
(5) RAW WATER SUPPLY: The source of water for this area is the deep-well at
the Amesbury pumphouse. It is a Jordan Aquifer well similar to other
wells in this aquifer serving other municipalities. These wells natur-
ally have 0.5 to 1.5 P.P.M. (parts per million) iron in the water. For
this reason, they may create rusty water problems for their users. To
get rid of the iron many communities have installed iron removal plants
or softening plants. Without such a plant the Amesbury well will con-
tinue to supply water that has iron in it. This periodically produces
rusty water complaints.
(6) RUSTY WATER PROBLEM: Mr. Berman still has a problem. What can be done
to solve it?
A. The least expensive and simplest solution is to ask Mr. Berman
to flush his line periodically. His water bill could be ad-
justed so he would not be charged for the flushing water.
B. Mr. Berman's service could be moved next to his neighbor's ser-
vice. However this is expensive, and if they both were gone at
the same time there would be no resulting benefit.
C. A flushing device could be attached to the end of the 4" line
or to Mr. Berman's 1" service line just before it goes into the
house. This would cost approximately $1,000 - $1,500 depending
on how much blacktop and sod must be disturbed.
From a practiee' standpoint, I wou'd recommend asking Mr. Berman to periodic-
ally flush his line, as was the intent of the original design. HoweVer, if
this is not acceptable we would be happy to pursue whatever solution you
choose.
Should you have any questions, please call.
Respectfully,
ORR-SCHElEN-MAYERON
& ASSOCIATES, INC.
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James P. Norton, P.E.
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cc: Mr. Gary larson
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FLUSHING HYDRANT IN BOULEVARD
AMESBURY WATER
COST ESTIMATE
= $ 175.00
= 75.00
= 150.00
@ $15.00/L.F. = 375.00
@ $ 4.00/S.Y. = 200.00
1 - Flushing Hydrant
1 - 3/4" X 1" Corporation Cock
1 - Curb Box
25 L.F. 3/4" Copper
50 S.Y. Sod
ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION COST .............................. = $ 975.00*
FLUSHING HYDRANT IN BOULEVARD AND BITUMINOUS DRIVE
1 - Flushing Hydrant
1 - 3/4" x 1" Corporation Cock
1 - Curb Box
25 L.F. 3/4" Copper
6 Tons #2341 Wear Course
16 Tons Class 5
10 Sq, Yds. Sod
= $
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@ $15.00/L.F. =
@ $75.00/TON =
@ $10.00/TON ·
@ $ 4.00/S.Y. ::
175.00
75.00
150.00
375.00
450.00
160.00
40.00
ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION COST .............................. = $1,425.00
*Assumes work done by local plumber
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Professor OpFlow welcomes any
questions that you may have about
your facility. He can answer most
any water-supply type of question,
but encourages mostly operator-re-
lated queries. All questions direct-
ed to the professor will be answered
directly. The professor will select
some questions and answers to be
printed in subsequent editions of
OpFlowas space allows. Mall your Note:. Thlstabl~ Is ~ ~n d~d.e\"Id plpetlnea. The number?f customers may be doubled
questions to Professor OpFlow, . for 2-10. and 3-10. clrculatrng pipelines only. Also, this table IS based on metered custom-
AWWA, 6666 W. Quincy Ave., Den- ers.
ver, CO 80235.
Dear Prof OpFlow: In the IPRs,
. total dissolved solids, sulfate,
chloride, iron, and manganese are
not listed as Inorganic chemicals.
Does it mean that new regulations
disregard these chemicals or no
speCific limit to these chemicals?
Prof OpFlow advises: The Inter-
im Primary Regulations (lPRs) in-
clude maximum contaminant levels
(MCLs) only for those contami-
nants in potable (drinking) water
that may have harmful effects on
human health. Therefore, limits for
substances such as those men-
tioned, which cause taste, odor,
and appearance rather than health
problems are covered by the Se-
condary Regulations. * The regula-
tions were proposed for comment
by EPA in the March 31, 1977 edi-
tion of the Federal Register. Unlike
the IPRs, the Secondary Regula-
tions are not federally enforceable
and are considered as guidelines
for the water supplier. However,
you are urged to meet these regula-
tions as they will result In a more
pleasing and acceptable product,
thereby keeping your customers
. satisfied.
'OpFlow will feature a special article
next month on the Secondary Regulations
of SDWA.
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Evaluating Your Water Utility.
TABLE 2 ,..
Maximum Number of Customers Desirable on Small Mains
Pressure at Start of Main
Pipe Length of 26 30 40 50
Diameter Main
In. it Maximum Numberof Customers
1 50 1 2 4
100 1 2
150 1
1112 100 1 3 10 15
200 1 5 8
300 1 3 5
2 100 2 10 15 15
250 1 4 10 10
500 2 6 6
3 200 7 15
500 3 10
1000 1 5
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Capacity of Distribution Mains
1. Does your system use recording pressure gages to record the pressure at hours of
peak demand at the points of service connection when pressures would be expected to be
lowest?
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D No
2. Do such records show that the system's pressure was at least 30 psi at hours of peak
demand at all such critical points?
D Ves
D No
D Unknown
The deslr.bJe.t.nd.rd: Each system should have recording pressure gages and records of
pressure at critical points of service connections showing a minimum peak hour pressure
of not less than 30 psI.
Rating question: Does your system meet this standard?
D Ves D No
D Unknown
3. In the commercial district of your community,
a. What is the minimum main size in each principal street?
b. What Is the minimum size of all mains?
c. Is there an intersecting main In each street?
D Ves D No
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Thedeslr.ble stlnd.rd: In commercial districts the minimum Size of main should'be 8 In.
diameter, with. intersecting mains on each street and 12.ln. mains on all principal streets.
Rating question: Does your distribution system meet this standard?
D Ves D No D Unknown
4. In the resIdential districts of your community,
a. What Is the minimum size of mains? In.
b. What Is the distance between intersecting mains on the long side of blocks?
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"This Is the sixth Installment of a serialized survey contributed to OpFlow by the North
Central Section, AWWA. Compile them and tabulate your rating In the final segment.
July 1977
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ATTACHMENT
HARDING ACRES - PLANNER'S RECOMMENDATIONS:
1. Revised grading plan to be submitted including enlargement
of the ponding area.
2. Grant easements to the City for drainage ways and ponding
area.
3. Subject to approval from the Minnehaha Watershed District.
4. Receive Title Opinion.
5. Performance bond or letter of credit in the amount of
150% of the utility cost.
6. Park Fund fees paid.
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7. Setbacks for building private roads to be maintained the
same as they are on public roads.
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