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CITY OF SHOREWOOD
SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING
MONDAY. APRIL 3. 1989
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
5755 COUNTRY CLUB RD
7:30 P.M.
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ROLL CALL
A special meeting was called to order by Mayor Haugen at 7:35 p.m. on Monday,
3 April 1989. to discuss the drainage study for the Glen Road/County Road 19
area.
Present: Mayor Haugen. Counci1members Gagne and Stover. (Absent - Brancel).
Watten arrived at 7:42 p.m.
Staff: Attorney Froberg. Engineer Norton. Surveyors Ames and McGibbon and
Planner Nielsen.
GLEN ROAD/COUNTY ROAD 19 DRAINAGE AREA STUDY
Mr. Jim Mahady, Engineer for the Minnehaha vreek Watershed District and Mr.
Woody Love. one of the managers for the District. presented the "Hydrologic
Analysis - Glen Road - County Road 19 Subwatershed". dated June 1988. Mr.
Mahady explained that the MCWD became involved in the project at the request of
the City. because the area in question is affected by drainage from Shorewood.
Tonka Bay and the County Road 19 right-of-way.
Mr. Mahady summarized the study which proposes two alternatives for resolving
drainage problems in the area: 1) a storm sewer system; or 2) a series of
ponds connected by short segments of storm sewer which allow a positive outlet
for runoff. The study recommends. and the City has adopted. the alternative
which utilizes the series of ponds.
The recommended alternative has several advantages to it. Maintaining ponding
areas where the water naturally collects eliminates the need for constructing
small on-site ponding areas on individual sites. These smaller ponding areas.
while meeting Watershed District requirements. are typically forced onto the
site. resulting in unnecessary site alteration (grading. tree removal. etc.)
and are less effective than taking advantage of larger ponds formed by existing
topography.
The proposed ponding system has been sized on the basis of runoff from
projected future land uses in the subject watershed area. Mr. Mahady pointed
out that the plan must be considered preliminary pending field checking of
actual conditions and preparation of more detailed engineering drawings.
At Mr. Nielsen's request. Mr. Mahady explained that the ponds were intended to
be "dry ponds". that is the connecting pipes would provide positive drainage
downstream. The ponds would detain runoff during rainstorms. allowing silt and
sediment to settle out before draining out to the next lower pond.
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Several members of the audience raised questions and concerns.
Dave Littlefield. He feels that the easements which were requested from area
residents were intimidating. particularly since there may not have been a
clear understanding of what is proposed.
Roger Fishbach. They get water in their basement now and are concerned that
attempts to retain water might aggravate the problem. Mahady responded that
the plan will result in the areas which now flood will be drier more often.
Tom Story. He feels that the old area drain tile system was disrupted when
the sanitary sewer system was installed. He wouldn't mind giving up some
easement if the problem were solved.
Chuck Farrell.
apartment site?
Does the study take into account drainage from the new
Yes.
Barbara Livingston. Why wasn't their house shown on the topography maps?
The proposed easement goes through their house. Mahady explained that the
available data was prepared prior to construction of their home. Problems
such as this will be field checked and the final plan will be modified to
correct them.
Chuck Farrell. He is unwilling to sign an easement on the basis of a
preliminary study.
Roger Fishbach. How much disturbance will construction of the storm sewer
create? Mr. Ames responded that while the trench itself is relatively
narrow. the temporary construction easement is 70 feet wide with a 20 foot
permanent easement. The 20 foot permanent easement has to remain relatively
clear for future maintenance. The ponds themselves do not require
excavation.
Debra Farrell. What is the time frame for the final plan? How will it be
paid for? It is hoped that a final plan can be completed within the next 3-6
months. During that time the City has to explore various funding methods
(e.g. direct assessment. general fund. storm sewer district. etc.).
Kristi Stover. Who prepares the final plan? Presumeably the City Engineer.
John Miller. He just moved in nine months ago and feels the neighborhood
should have been involved earlier.
Sandy Van DerVeer. Has the plan been studied for potential affects on area
wells? Mahady - no but. if anything. moving the water through the area more
quickly should lessen potential impact.
Debra Farrell. Can the project go ahead without Tonka Bay? Yes. What do
the $2500/acre figures in the study represent? Estimated expenses if the
City has to buy easements. She feels the amount should be based upon
assessed values of the property.
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Bud Osmonson. The total cost of Shorewood's portion of the plan would be
approximately $45 - 55.000 if the City doesn't have to buy easements and if
Baywood Shoppes excavates Pond No.3.
Chuck Farrell. He prefers piping (storm sewer) to Pond No. 3 and enlarging
Pond No. 3 to eliminate Pond Nos. 1 and 2.
Roger Fishbach. He questions the location of Pond No. 1 and feels it may
actually be located further to the east.
Kristi Stover. Can the area be more accurately surveyed, Yes - either by
ground crew or aerial survey.
Mayor Haugen. It sounds like the City should have new aerials prepared.
Nielsen intends to suggest this in the 1990 budget.
Gagne moved. seconded by Stover to ask the City Engineer to prepare an estimate
of surveying costs for the 10 April Council meeting. Motion carried
unanimously.
Watten moved. seconded by Gagne to have the City Attorney obtain an estimate of
cost from an appraiser relative to determining value of proposed easements.
Motion carried unanimously.
Mayor Haugen informed the Council that there would be an executive session to
discuss the Henney lawsuit and pending litigation by Betty Christesen.
Gagne moved. seconded by Watten to adjourn the meeting at 10:30 p.m. Motion
carried unanimously.
Respectfully submitted.
Bradley J. Nielsen
City Planner/Building Official
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