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110491 CC SP1 Min ... .,.' ,. . . . " CITY OF SHOREWOOD SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING MONDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 1991 MINNEWASHTA SCHOOL 26350 SMITHTOWN ROAD 7:30 PM M I NUT E S CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order at 7:30 PM by Mayor Brancel. ROLL CALL Present: Mayor Brancel, Councilmembers stover, Gagne, Daugherty, and Lewis; Attorney Sellergren; Engineer Dresel; Planner Nielsen; Finance Director Rolek; Administrator Hurm; and Recording Secretary Niccum PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING ON THE PROPOSAL FOR EXPANSION OF THE MUNICIPAL WATER SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR'S PRESENTATION Mayor Brancel introduced James Hurm, Shorewood's city Administrator. Hurm explained that two newsletters went out before the public information meeting and the October 1991 newsletter listed the different considerations that the City Council is looking at regarding water. He asked people to sign in and fill out the public input sheets. Hurm then gave a short presentation. He said why consider a water expansion at this point? The Council is responsible for $.17 - .18 out of the property tax dollar. This amount is not only the General operating Fund, but also covers Capital Projects. The Council is trying to form a financial plan, a 5 year capital improvement plan, to best utilize this amount in a way that will keep the tax bill relatively consistent, without significant fluctuations. In order to do this, they must review the status of not only the water system, but sewer, streets, parks, drainage, public facilities and equipment. They have to plan construction projects. Shorewood is eligible for State Aid Highway Funding on certain streets. It is important to get any underground work done so when these streets are ready to be repaired, state Aid Funds can be used instead of Shorewood's tax dollars. These are the main reasons the City is revi~wing a municipal water system at this time. The Council reviewed a number of different proposals, looked at different projections, and came up with a very preliminary proposal for public input. ~ ~ .' CITY OF SHOREWOOD SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING - WATER ISSUE . MONDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 1991 - Page 2 . To assess those who would benefit .excludes those already on the water system .excludes the islands . Total cost of project estimated at $13,000,000 . Accomplish over a 3 year period . Two-thirds assessed.to property owner as line goes by . One-third paid out of water revenues from water system . Total assessment approximately $4~800 for each unit, $800 for trunk main and storage, $4,000 for watermain (lateral) installation. . Each lot is a unit, if a property owner has several lots, each one would be assessed. . 15 year period . . 1/15th of principal each year, with interest on the unpaid balance (you always have the option of paying up-front without interest) . Commercial property would have a commercial multiplier . Combined service reduction for mUlti-family units . "Development Neutral" . Only assess current parcels, at time of division assess additional lots . Hookup required with 5 years of time water becomes available . Private wells could be kept for outside purposes . Deferral for elderly, handicapped, and low income if possible . Hurm reminded the public that the Council has not made up their minds, that they are asking for public input to help them do so. Hurm discussed wells vs. city water, he said the Council felt fire fighting services were important and said the Fire Marshall is present to answer any questions regarding f ire insurance. The Council also felt Citywide water would be an important tool in lowering the metro water system cost. ,.' , CITY OF SHOREWOOD SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING - WATER ISSUE ~ MONDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 1991 - Page 3 ~ ~ The existing water system would be more reliable, and work better on a full system. On the other hand, the City would be dug up for 3 years, messy and inconvenient. Some people don't like fluorine or chlorine. Some people prefer private wells. Engineer Dresel reviewed approximate pumping costs per hour for varying horsepower used to run a well. Costs could vary from using a 0.5HP motor 1 hour a day for 365 days for a total of $18.25, to using a 1.0HP motor 4 hours a day for 365 days for a total of $146. PUBLIC INPUT Jim Hamsta - 23930 Yellowstone Trail - said he would be in favor of a sound water plan, but is not convinced the proposed plan is the best compromise. He referred to Boulder Bridge well as a bad example, and the S.E. Area system as a good example. He asked if the S.E. Area was the only system, if the water deficit would be as big? Finance Director Rolek said it's the most viable system, but it also has the most equipment. Hamsta asked about the maintenance costs. Engineer Dresel said right now the existing wells were set up to handle the whole city. Boulder Bridge and Badger wells would be alternated and a tower would be buil t somewhere on the west end of Shorewood. Hamsta asked if, because of the pneumatic system constantly switching on and off and causing wear and tear, a complete water system might actually lower maintenance costs. Engineer Dresel said yes. Hamsta said he believes putting in a trunk system is a good deal for Shorewood, and he doesn't object to paying a $800-$1000 assessment, however, it would tear up his yard, he would lose trees, it will not increase the value of his house. The cost of hooking up is not mentioned in the newsletter, and he would like to see a report giving hookup costs. He said if you sell your house or remortgage, you do not have 5 years to hook up, if the line is within 200' of your house, you must hook up immediately, therefore, until you connect, your house is actually depreciated by the "improvement". In his opinion, the problems in Shorewood can be solved with a trunk system, and extensions of the laterals and actual connections should remain on a petition basis, that will put the common problem, which is the trunk system, on all the taxpayers in the city - where it belongs; it will put the cost of connecting and laterals on the developers, or people who have well problems; and the true operational costs should be borne by the users of the system. Capital subsidy should not be built into the operation costs. This would be a viable compromise. Mary Hermann - 20790 Idlewild Path - 21 years in Shorewood, has attended 3 water hearings. She said the Council is holding her future in their hands with 5 votes, and she wanted them to answer " CITY OF SHOREWOOD SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING - WATER ISSUE 4It MONDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 1991 - Page 4 some questions. She asked the total number of homestead properties in the City, the number of assessable units in the proposal for water, the 1990 census per capita income of the households in Shorewood. She said she had a lot of problems with the newsletter: that the bottom line cost is actually $8,000, not $4,800; that she did her own research on the pump costs that were referred to in the newsletter, if you run an average water pump on an average well, it pumps 10-12 gallons per minute - 2 hours a day would be $159 per quarter - 6 hours a day, $411 - totally unaffordable; scare tactics were used - contaminated wells... there hasn't been a contaminated well in the lake area in 15 years, - existing water systems... all backed into... none planned by the city...alllemons - State Aid dollars...when the sewer was put in, it was run down the middle of the street, therefore water lines would have to run down either side of the street. Scattered petitions.. . these people should live in a community with water, and see what happens the first time they backflush. How much has the City cost us already for research into water before finding out if we wanted it? She did not feel the Council gave her direct answers to her questions. 4It Mike pierro - 5880 Christmas Lake Road - asked what percentage of Shorewood's roads would be covered by State Aid? Engineer Dresel answered approximately 9 miles out of approximately 38 miles. pierro also questioned hookup charges. Dresel said between $500 and $1,500, average $1,000. pierro said he called a large plumbing company and received a quote of $900 for up to 45' if it was a new house and water was in the street. He asked if the City was running the service to the lot lines. Engineer Dresel said yes. pierro read a quote "No one will be assessed for water if they don't want it, and no resident will be forced to hook up to a central well that has their own individual well, and that is the policy of this Council" (1980). 4It Mayor Brancel said she wanted to clarify that this is not a formal public hearing, it is a preliminary public hearing that the City set up to gather public input before spending any more money. Dan Haugen - 20050 Excelsior Boulevard - pointed out the interest cost that will be added to the $4,800. He asked who would regulate the assessment costs if they increase. Hurm said there would be a preliminary hearing where the engineers would give their cost estimates, bids would be taken, and we'd go ahead with the proposal, which calls for a $4,800 assessment. Hurm said we would have to talk to the City Attorney, but he thought it would be city policy to follow the $800 and $4,000 assessments. If the cost came in higher, the properties would have already been assessed, so the Council would have to determine how else to raise revenues. Haugen spoke of his experiences with the city of " CITY OF SHOREWOOD SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING - WATER ISSUE ~ MONDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 1991 - Page 5 victoria water service and expressed concern over regulation of quarterly utility rates, who would control them, and if the one- third that the residents aren't being assessed, would raise this rate excessively. He said paying for a water system, that a lot of people don't need and don't want, could change the quality of life for his children due to financial hardship. Ken Schmitt - 5465 Grant Lorenz Road - thanked the staff and Council for keeping him informed, but said he didn't agree. He presented some "givens". MSA doesn't depend on the city water system but functions independently. The debt of the existing system is not the well owner's cause or problem. Individual wells are no more or less safe than a city system. Fire has been dealt with up to now...effectively? Developers act in their own interest, not the homeowners. Development neutral...need better information. He said he didn't need a $13,000,000 debt over 15 years, or to buy what he already has. ~ Muriel Vogel - 19795 Excelsior Boulevard - said she has a 6" 400' deep well that runs 4 times a day and gives her 54 gallons a minute. She had iron...she called Culligan. She said if it ain't broke...don't fix it. She said they can't spend $10,000 on a 100 year old house, couldn't have that expense hanging over their heads, and implored the Council not to put in water. ~ R. A. Bowman - 20025 Manor Road - said the interest, at 10% on $13,000,000 would be $1,300,000 a year. He raised the issue because he understands the water fund has a $243,000 deficit. He didn't know if this is an annual recurring or cumulative deficit, but if it is recurring, the interest on construction is 5 times larger, therefore taking on this amount to save the water fund def ici t is highly questionable. No homeowner who has studied this, could favor this proposal economically, the savings is tiny. We have to depend on our elected officials. Because the economics are so bad, they would have to be coerced into approving this proposal. The roads in Shorewood have character the way they are, we don't need State Aid spec roads that are 50' wide~ Ed Snyder - 26640 smithtown Road - said he was on the Financial Advisory Board, which was dismissed at a time when the City was looking at some of these improvements. He said the Board, as financial people, were trying to give guidance to the City and apparently, with these type of items coming up, they didn't want the input. Snyder asked that his above statement go on record. He also wanted hook up cost information. He asked how average usage was figured. Finance Director Rolek explained. He said that didn't tell him anything. Snyder said he can't afford it. He also asked for an informal poll before leaving the school. ! CITY OF SHOREWOOD SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING - WATER ISSUE ~ MONDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 1991 - Page 6 ~ ~ Mayor Brancel said yes, the Financial Advisory Board was dissolved, there was some poor attendance on the Board, and what they decided to do was go to an ad hoc committee format if needed. Dale Evans - 5425 Grant Lorenz Road - asked how the $4,800 was determined, if it was based on the number of units that do not have water at this time. Rolek said basically, yes, they looked at a couple of factors...what are we charging for a hook up fee right now ($4,000 set 5-6 years ago...At this point Evans said if this is a Shorewood problem, all residents should be involved in paying for it, if they can vote, they should pay. Ron pitts - 5980 Christmas Lake Road - asked what instigated bringing up water again? Mayor Brancel said the City started a capital improvement program. In order to do any long range planning they have to look at all possible capital improvements and make decisions...are we going to continue with the systems we have, which are running a cumulative deficit...or change, and that's why the City is asking for input. If not, what are they going to do with the existing wells that cannot pay for themselves? pitts asked if, when the original wells were planned, did the Council figure they would pay for themselves? Stover said none of the present Council was involved, it was before their time. pitts said they moved to Shorewood because of the way it is, and they'd like to see it stay that way, don't want to lose trees, have a mess, encourage more developers, or see more strip malls or fast food franchises. Don willis - 24835 Yellowstone Trail - said Minnesota is the highest taxed state in the nation, bankruptcies are at an all time high, the economy is bad, and people are losing jobs every day. He talked to 3 people at the Board of Health who said Shorewood has superior water quality, soil, good aquifers, and no contamination. He said he can't imagine how developers can exert enough pressure on the Council to push this through. 70% of the people are on wells, and they don't want water. Allen MCKinney - 4925 Rustic Way - said last time this issue came up he talked to about 150 people around the Lake William area, none of them wanted water. He suggested letting the residents vote on it. He said in 10 years all the wells will have to be capped anyway because people will run extra water into the sewer. He said all the homeowners didn't know about the meeting. He urged those present to spread the word. Ed Bergslein - 24780 smithtown Road - said he hasn't paid one penny in repairs since he put his well in 1968, and he's raised 4 girls and 3 boys and never had a lack of water..so what the h... does he want a city water system for. He's retired , living on a fixed , ' CITY OF SBOREWOOD SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING - WATER ISSUE ~ MONDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 1991 - Page 7 income, and needs more expenses like he needs a hole in the head. He told the Council, now listen to us, damn you, I'm mad at you. ~ Barney Biding - 8855 strawberry Lane - asked what the total cost is to operate the system per year. Rolek said approximately $150,000. Biding then asked how many homes are serviced for $150,000? Rolek said somewhat over 700. Bidding asked what that balanced out to per year? Rolek said about $200 a home. Biding said then you could, over a 10 year period of time, buy wells for those 700 people and forget the whole thing, right? Biding then mentioned the 8% interest, saying very good cities (he didn't know where Shorewood qualifies) get 5.6%, and asked what Shorewood was going to do with the 43% profit? And why? Burm said he thought they were being conservative, interest would probably be 7% to 7.5%. Hurm said usually a municipality will add on 1% - 2% for the actual cost of the interest rate that they receive when they sell the bonds, but when you have a large project that amount can be small, so hopefully, it would be less than 8%. Rolek said the bonds could be sold now for 5.6%, but what it will be in 3 years is another story, you are dealing with market conditions and that fluctuates - he said the newsletter figure of 8% was just an example. Bidding asked if the $13,000,000 is just for the 1600 homes. Rolek said it would be to complete the system for the whole city. Hidding asked the approximately 150 people present to give a show of hands, who was for water....two people raised their hands. Alan Yelsey - 5481 Grant Lorenz Road - said it seemed to him there are two issues, how to optimize the use of dollars for the roads, and how to make sure the current water system doesn't get away from us, and yet, deliver quality water to the people that are already hooked up. He said he is for that, and is willing to be taxed to adequately support the people that are currently on municipal water. He said he figured it out and it would be about $17,000 out of pocket expense over 15 years for everyone that had to hook up to the discussed water system. He felt that the newsletter did not present the bottom line when it came to cost. He said he had talked with the Council members, found them quite knowledgeable and informed, and suggested that other members of the audience contact them. ~ Bryan Benson - 4685 Fatima Place - likes well water, doesn't like chlorine. Doesn't want to spend more money to cover up mistakes. Patrick Collins - 4675 Fatima Place - feels the developers, if they are culpable, should get the wells they built back in shape. He said he works for st. Louis Park, and they had some serious water problems. Lets not go after the residents, but after whoever created the problem in the first place. CITY OF SHOREWOOD SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING - WATER ISSUE ~ MONDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 1991 - Page 8 Mary Borgeson - 5485 Grant Lorenz Road - said she bought her home because her whole front yard is full of trees that she doesn't want to lose. She came to the City and asked about water proposals and was told it has been voted down every time it's come up. She demanded to know how much it would cost a family of four for water, stating that if they could give an estimate on well usage, they could also give an estimate on water usage. Stover asked if 20,000 gallons wasn't the yearly average. Rolek said it is more like a quarterly average, and would cost $36 a quarter, but it varies, more water is used in the summer. He said the City average is 21,000+ a quarter. She also questioned what would happen if there is a watering ban. She said Minnetonka police shut down someone who was using their well and wondered if this could happen to her. She demanded a promise from this council and all future councils that she could keep using her $3800 well until it ran out. Hurm said no one can make that promise. She also stated she wanted to go on record as being against City water. She informed the Council they had better find a fair way to solve the deficit because she doesn't think she should have to pay for somebody elses water. ~ Duncan Storlie - 5375 Eureka Road - said this is the 3rd time water has been discussed, and the "mindset" of the Council seems to be inevitable. If wells were built to serve the whole city, why don't they just make a decision once and for all. He asked the Council who has wells and who is on the current water system. 3 have wells, 2 are on the system. He asked if a hydrological study had been done, and how stable the aquifers are. Engineer Dresel said a study has been done, but not specifically on the aquifers. storlie mentioned the fire situation, s~ying $13,000,000 can buy some really big tanker trucks. He mentioned to the audience that it is illegal to drain your sump pump into the sewer, and suggested the City check for this to cut down on the amount of water going into the metro sewer system. peggy Mullenberg - 25700 Birch Bluff Road - was concerned about Birch Bluff Road being widened, and asked what State Aid specifications are. Dresel said 28' in width with curb and gutter. He informed her that Birch Bluff Road is not on the schedule for the next 5 years, and that the City has discussed dropping it from the State Aid Street List. ~ Lohr LeSueur - 5925 Ridge Road - said he paid $4500 to have his well put in, and didn't see how City water would benefit him. He asked if the City has looked at other alternatives? Would there be a vote? What steps would the City take if they decided for water? Hurm said if it was considered feasible to have citywide water, it would be included in the Capital Improvement system, preliminary plans and designs would be done, and there would be a preliminary hearing would be held next spring. . . CITY OF SHOREWOOD SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING - WATER ISSUE ~ MONDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 1991 - Page 9 Tony Bravsen - 5955 Ridge Road - thanked the Council for coming to the meeting. He stated "In order to keep a financially viable system, all residents will have to hook up tp the system". Dave Hanson - 5920 Covington Road - said he is so new he is still unpacking boxes. He is already hooked into the water system, the water quality is not good, and a water treatment plant is already being built to improve the water. He would like to see Shorewood keep it's quaintness. Denise Hanus - 6095 Lake Linden Drive - asked the audience to urge their friends and neighbors to attend the next meeting. Muriel Vogel asked if the S.E. Area Iron Removal Plant will be added to the $13,000,000, and if another one will have to be built for Boulder Bridge? Dresel said the water at Boulder Bridge does not have a high iron content, and probably will not need a plant. Finance Director Rolek said a $1,000,000 amount has been added to the projection for an iron removal plant on the west end, this is not included in the $13,000,000, and would be paid by water revenues. The S.E. Area Plant will not be added to the $13,000,000. ~ Linda Haugen - 20050 Excelsior Boulevard - asked who makes the final decision? Does her vote count? Mayor Brancel said yes, her vote counts, but it hasn't been opened up to a formal referendum because this is an informal hearing. Brancel said it's the Council's decision right now based on the input they have received. She said the Councilmembers woUldgi ve their opinion when the residents finished speaking, and this might answer resident's questions. Rick Dyer - 6070 Brand circle - pointed out that in the newsletter it mentioned that the Council was responsible for 18% of the property tax, he said in 1983 this figure was 12% and the City doubled it to payoff the water deficit. He asked what happened to all the money, and why is there still a deficit? He suggested the City check with the City of Carver. He said taking the average Shorewood combination, the mentioned the water/sewer bill would be $87, he compared other cities sewer/water bills, Tonka Bay - $70, Excelsior - $50, Chanhassen - $43, and Minnetonka - $30.75, saying he knew of no other community with a rate as high as Shorewood's proposed rate. He asked the Council to look at all sides and try to make the best decision for Shorewood. ~ Pete Holmberg - 5955 Cajed Lane - asked if developers are required to put in a municipal water system, or if they can sell individual lots and let people put in individual wells? Brancel said they can sell individual lots. CITY OF SHOREWOOD SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING - WATER ISSUE ~ MONDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 1991 - Page 10 COUNCIL INPUT Mayor Brancel said she was very interested in hearing the public input, that's why she wanted this meeting before anything else went on. She said she assumed, after sitting through all the other water meetings as a resident, that this was not going to fly, that no one's attitude had really changed. She said we are a rural community, and we'd like to stay that way. She said, based on the public input, she would vote no against the water. Stover said this is her ninth year on the council, she has never supported city water, and she sees no reason to change. Gagne said he has been here since 1961. He told Mr. Dyer that he was on the Council at the time the City increased the taxes. He explained that they were increased because the State AUditor, Arne Carlson, told the City they either increased the taxes, or the State would take over the City. He said the situation was created in the first place because previous Councils did not do what they were supposed to do regarding taxing. ~ Gagne said he has his own private well, he put a new one in 3 years ago. He said he has been to 3 of these meetings, starting in the 1970' s when they started talking about sewer. He said at that time he raised his hand and asked, how about water? He said they almost threw him out the door! He said there are people in this town who want water, but they will not come to the meeting because they get hollered at and harassed. He said they do call him on the phone, so he will be more interested in the results of the private poll conducted in people's private homes. He said he still has an open mind but he wants to wait until the other report comes in. ~ Rob Daugherty said there was a lot of discussion this evening about why the overall concept of a water system came up. He said one of the reasons he ran for Council was because he had a lot of input from other people in Shorewood basically stating that the Council needed to look forward, and do a lot of planning, and make sure that the path the City would follow would make logical sense. This is why he felt it would make sense to look into a water system, look at the costs of a water system. He said there has been some discussion on the current costs of the water system, and what those costs could be 5 years down the road, and what the potential costs of a City system could be 5 years down the road compared to what they are now, that he'd hate to be here 5 years from now - after having the majority of public input say no to water - and be looking at a PCA mandate that citywide water must be installed at a cost of $25,000,000, because that would be an even greater hardship. Daugherty said he has an open mind to the overall water system, that it is obvious that the majority here is against a CITY OF SHOREWOOD SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING - WATER ISSUE 4It MONDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 1991 - Page 11 4It 4It citywide system. He said that, based on some projections the City has done, an overall water system may make sense to the City of Shorewood...however, if the citizens of Shorewood do not feel it is within their best interest to do so at this time, he guessed he would follow this mandate. He said when the results of the poll come back, if they are 50/50, he feels strongly that the issue should be explored at greater length by a referendum. Daugherty, in answer to questions, for 3.5 years, has City water, approximately $125-225 quarterly for water. said he has lived in the City and with five children pays Hurm said the poll was doing a random sampling of approximately 200 phone numbers in Shorewood, and will show the choices of people on wells and on City water, so you will be able to tell on both sides. Daugherty said he was looking forward to the session tonight to see what he would learn, and he feels he learned a lot. Dan Lewis said the information meeting is also on behalf of the Council, it benefits them, they gain input from the residents which allows them to decide what is best for Shorewood. He said he was leaning toward water as a capital improvement project program, but with the input tonight, perhaps he is leaning against it a little bit. He said it deserves a lot more investigation, maybe they can look at some type of scaled-down program that would benefit the City in the long run at a lower cost. He said he would like to see more people at other meetings, the Council needs public input. AUDIENCE QUESTIONS TO COUNCIL Paul Thulen - 26390 Noble Road - said he didn't feel he got clear answers from Gagne, Daugherty, and Lewis as to where they stand. Gagne and Lewis said they have an open mind at this point and are waiting for more information. Barney Hidding asked how much money has already been spent, and wouldn't it be easier to just put it on the ballot? Hurm said poll was $3,300, and he doesn't have all costs at this time. Alan Yelsey said he had yet to hear enough facts and information. He asked if he could have access to list of people present, and encouraged those present to talk to their Councilmembers. He also asked about the poll. Mayor Brancel said the poll is not completed yet, the Administrator will have the poll results when completed. Mike pierro significant. asked Gagne what response he would consider Gagne said he this is the first preliminary hearing, ,,' .... ~ CITY OF SBOREWOOD SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING - WATER ISSUE 4It MONDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 1991 - Page 12 4It 4It he is concerned about fire, and he will not make a decision tonight, or until he has all the facts. pierro expressed concern over whether the poll will be accurate. Bob Belbeek said he knows about water and it is ridiculous to discuss contamination. He also said that the survey is meaningless, and biased. Pat Theide - Glen Road asked Gagne how many calls he's had? Gagne said at this time about 5 against and about 15 for. She urged calling Council. It was her opinion that the women will give answers, the men are political and refuse to give answers. Mary Borgeson at 5485 Grant Lorenz asked why people who already have water are being asked if they want it. Stover said, from talking to people, people who have water do'not always answer yes. other residents asked questions from the audience without speaking from the podium. Lewis said his job is to decide what is good for the City of Shorewood, not what is good for him. Planning for the future is also part of their job. He again encouraged the residents to attend more meetings. Bill Vogel - 21000 Ivy Lane encouraged the Council to put out another newsletter, with more detail, and thanked the Council. Mayor Braneel reminded the residents that the water issue requires a 4/5 vote of the Council. Alan Yelsey said at this discussion is about reasoning with the precious dollars and resources in Shorewood. He would like to hear logical explanations regarding water, for or against. Jim Bamsta said everyone gets to vote in elections, that's why everyone is being polled. He said it is not an easy job to be on the Council and encouraged the residents to give the Council a chance to do their job. ~ 4It 4It 4It , . r CITY OF SHOREWOOD SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING - WATER ISSUE MONDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 1991 - Page 13 ADJOURNMENT Gagne moved, Daugherty seconded, to adjourn the Special Council meeting of November 4, 1991 at 10:50 PM. Motion carried - 5/0. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, Susan A. Niccum, Secretary AD MA