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CITY OF SHOREWOOD
REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING
MONDAY, JULY 14, 1997
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD
7:30 P.M.
MINUTES
1. CONVENE CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Mayor Dahlberg called the meeting to order at 7:34 p.m. and announced the City Council will
convene in Work Session format upon adjournment of the regular meeting.
A.
Roll Call
Present:
Mayor Dahlberg; Councilmembers Stover, McCarty, O'Neill and Garfunkel;
Administrator Hurm; City Attorney John Dean; Engineer Larry Brown.
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Review Agenda
MayorDahlberg noted the addition of Agenda Item 2D to consider the June 16, 1997, Work
Session Minutes from the Watten Ponds Development Site. Engineer Brown requested Agenda
Item No.7, be modified to "Consideration of a Motion to Adopt a Resolution Accepting Feasibility
Report for the South Link Lateral Extension". The agenda was accepted as amended for July 14,
1997.
2 . APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A.
City Council Work Session Meeting Minutes - June 16, 1997
O'Neill moved, Garfunkel seconded approving the City Council Work Session
Meeting Minutes for June 16, 1997, as amended on Page 3, Paragraph 2, change
Sentence 2 to read, "Mayor Dahlberg believed this was a clear cut policy;" Page
4, Item 3, change Sentence 2 to read, "The residents expressed an interest in
designing a bridge as a surrogate speed bump." Page 5, Paragraph 2, Sentence 3,
change to read, "10 mile per hour speed limit design"; Page 6, Paragraph 5,
change to read, "The consensus of four members of the Council;" and add,
"Mayor Dahlberg believed the liability issue did not necessarily prohibit
alternative designs." Motion passed 5/0.
B . City Council Regular Meeting Minutes - June 23, 1997
Stover moved, McCarty seconded approving the City Council Regular Meeting
Minutes for June 23, 1997, as amended on Page 3, Item SA, Paragraph 3,
Sentence 5, change "pointed out" to "asked if"; Page 4, Paragraph 7, change to
read, "Mayor Dahlberg expressed concern that the violations raised could be
observed by staff on a 10-minute drive through of the development." Paragraph
10, Sentence 1, change to read, "Mayor Dahlberg commented that the City is only
questioning 1 of the 17 violations which were raised." Page 5, Paragraph 1,
Sentence 1, change "stating" to "stated"; Item B, Paragraph 1, Sentence 3, add
"of the land." Paragraph 5, Sentence 3, change "with" to "without"; Paragraph 6,
change "Greenhaven" to "Deephaven"; Page 6, Paragraph 1, change to read,
"Councilmember O'Neill noted he has requested staff obtain a report from Chief
Young relative to the amount of time Officer Keller spends patrolling a particular
area. " Motion passed 5/0.
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C . City Council Executive Session Meeting Minutes - June 23, 1997
Stover moved, Garfunkel seconded approving the City Council Executive Session
Meeting Minutes for June 23, 1997, as submitted. Motion passed 4/0.
(Councilmember McCarty abstained.)
D . City Council Work Session Meeting Minutes/W atten Ponds
Development - June 16, 1997
O'Neill moved, Dahlberg seconded approving the City Council Work Session
Meeting Minutes/Watten Ponds Development for June 16, 1997, as submitted.
Motion passed 3/0. (Councilmembers McCarty and Stover abstained.)
3. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR
Fred Dresser, 5480 Gideon Woods, appeared representing the Gideon Woods Association and
thanked Mayor Dahlberg and Councilmember O'Neill for the time they have spent with the
Association reviewing the problems they are experiencing.
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Mr. Dresser distributed a priority list to the Council. He stated there is a Universal Outdoor sign
on the comer of the Gideon Woods property and County Road 19. This sign was scheduled for
removal on July 1, 1997, however, given the $2,000 per year the Association receives relative to
that sign as well as the benefit it creates in providing a barrier from the car lights and noise from
County Road 19, the neighbors have signed a petition requesting the sign not be removed.
Planning Director Nielsen explained both the ordinance and the development agreement require
removal of the sign. Councilmember Stover recalled the intent of the City had been to remove
signs of this type from the community.
Mayor Dahlberg explained many of the issues of the Association are such that the Association may
have to hire legal counsel and one of the reasons the Association would like to keep the sign on the
property is to offset the costs they will incur.
Mayor Dahlberg stated the Council will need to explore whether the value in taking the sign down
is an abstraction where the value of keeping it there is quite concrete.
Councilmember O'Neill suggested this be added to a future agenda and the sign be allowed to
remain in the meantime. Councilmember Stover stated she would like to have a legal opinion on
the matter. She would also like to know the ramifications the City could face relative to other
people who were not allowed to keep a sign on their property.
City Attorney Dean stated one of the issues for the Council to determine when this matter is
addressed is whether or not there is any precedential value which might have a damaging effect.
He also stated the Council has a right for a brief period of time to delay on any further action while
the Council considers whether or not an ordinance amendment is appropriate.
Mayor Dahlberg directed this matter be returned to the Council for review and consideration on
August 11, 1997.
A. DISCUSSION WITH POLICE CHIEF RICK YOUNG ON TRAFFIC
CONTROL MEASURES
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Councilmember O'Neill explained there have been many requests from residents for things such as
speed bumps and the consensus of the Council was to address these issues through enforcement.
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Chief Young stated it would not be possible to log where Officer Keller has been working. This
would be reflected in the citations which he issues, however, the computer was unable to track this
information in the past. He stated it would be possible to do that particular task from this point on.
Chief Young reported the number of citations are going down due to the increase in calls the police
department receives. He pointed out when an officer is called to a location, this takes him away
from traffic enforcement.
Chief Young also pointed out there has been an increase in fines, so financially there is not much
of a drop, however, the police department takes into consideration the number of citations issued.
In a one year period of time, Chief Young explained the average officer wrote 277 tickets.
Shorewood Officer Keller issued 523. During this period of time, Officer Keller also had 677
enforcement contacts of which 215 were for speeding.
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Chief Young believed there to be 12 to 18 trouble spots in the City. The majority of the complaints
appear to be during the afternoon rush hour. He explained there has been spot patrolling of these
areas. Chief Young stated from an enforcement standpoint, this would require additional funds
either for an additional officer or overtime for existing officers.
Chief Young estimated it would cost approximately $16,000 over the summertime for officer
overtime. He stated departments with high traffic enforcement experience a lower crime rate and
better public relations because the department is responding to the concerns of the neighborhoods.
Mayor Dahlberg reported on a ride-along with Officer Keller. He observed there were few cars
speeding, however, Officer Keller had been enforcing the speed limits in that particular area the
previous week.
Chief Young commented over the past 12 months, there was a state grant program which allowed
for overtime enforcement. An application has been made for grant funds to cover the overtime
costs of additional enforcement.
Councilmember Stover inquired whether the hiring of the Shorewood officer has made a difference
in the amount of traffic control time of the Joint Powers officers. Chief Young did not feel this
made any difference. Councilmember Stover requested traffic control statistics to reflect the time
spent in Shorewood by officers other than Officer Keller. Chief Young stated he will gather that
information.
Councilmember O'Neill proposed a work session discussion relative to the possibility of allotting
additional funds to provide for overtime enforcement.
4 . PARKS - Report by Representative
Park Commissioner Pat Arnst reported on the actions taken and matters considered by the Park
Commission at their meetings of June 24 and July 9, 1997, (as detailed in the minutes of those
meetings).
5. PLANNING - Report by Representative
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Planning Director Nielsen reported on the actions taken and matters considered by the Planning
Commission at their meeting of July 1, 1997, (as detailed in the minutes of that meeting).
A. A Motion to Approve an Extension to File the Final Plan of Water's
Edge P.U.D.
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Applicant:
Bill Blegens
20295 Manor Road
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Stover moved, O'Neill seconded approving an extension to file the final plan of
Water's Edge P.U.D., for Bill Blegens, 20295 Manor Road to November 11,
1997. Motion passed 5/0.
B . A Motion to Reconsider a Variance Request
Applicant:
Richard and Ingrid Hoyt
Location: 5710 Ridge Road
McCarty moved, Stover seconded approving a reconsideration of the variance
request for Richard and Ingrid Hoyt, 5710 Ridge Road. Motion passed 5/0.
C . A Motion to Establish a Public Hearing Date and Consideration of a
Referral Back to the Planning Commission for Reconsideration of a
Variance Request for Final Action to be Taken by the Council on
August 11
Applicant:
Richard and Ingrid Hoyt
Location:
5710 Ridge Road
Councilmember Stover inquired whether the public hearing would be held by the Planning
Commission or by the Council. Attorney Dean explained there would be no requirement to send it
back to the Planning Commission at all.
Councilmember Stover commented this would generally be sent back to the Planning Commission
in light of new information. She pointed out new information has not been presented, however,
this matter is being presented for reconsideration. Attorney Dean explained there is no public
hearing required at this time.
Councilmember McCarty wanted a public hearing on this matter and she felt it could be heard by
either the Councilor the Planning Commission. Councilmember Garfunkel believed this public
hearing should be held before the Council rather than the Planning Commission.
Mayor Dahlberg was also in favor of holding a public hearing. Councilmember Stover stated there
would be a benefit to the Planning Commission holding the public hearing in that they are used to
holding public hearings and members of the Council could certainly attend the meeting.
Councilmember Stover was in favor of giving the Planning Commission the option of holding a
public hearing on this issue. In the event they choose not to hold a public hearing, the Council
could then hold the public hearing.
Mayor Dahlberg would support a public hearing, however, in light of the fact there has been no
new or additional information presented, he felt it would be understandable if the Planning
Commission does not want to hold a hearing, but rather defer to the Council to hold the public
hearing.
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Stover moved, McCarty seconded, requesting the Planning Commission decide at
their July 15, 1997 meeting whether or not they want to hold a public hearing in
reconsideration of a variance request for Ingrid and Richard Hoyt, 5710 Ridge
Road, with final action to be taken by the City Council on August 11, 1997.
~otion passed 5/0.
If the Planning Commission does not wish to hold a public hearing, the Council will hold the
public hearing on August 11, 1997.
D . A Motion to Adopt a Resolution Approving a Conditional Use Permit
for Accessory Space
Applicant:
John ~ajestic
Location:
5840 Eureka Road
Garfunkel moved, Stover seconded adopting RESOLUTION NO. 97-52, "A
Resolution Approving a Conditional Use Permit for Accessory Space for John
Majestic, 5840 Eureka Road." Motion passed 5/0.
6. CONSIDERATION OF A MOTION REGARDING STREET LIGHTING AT
BRYN~A WR
Mayor Dahlberg noted surveys were sent to 48 residents relative to street lighting with only six
surveys being returned. He further noted two of the six surveys were opposed to the lighting and
four were in support. Councilmember Stover pointed out one of the surveys which was returned
did not appear to be either for or against the lighting, but was just questioning it.
Engineer Brown explained the lights were installed as a part of the development and then after a
period of time, the lights were energized by the developer. Questions were then raised as to
whether or not the lights should have been energized at that time.
Councilmember Stover pointed out this was not a part of the development agreement, but that the
lights were a compromise between the lights installed by the developer and a less intensive light.
Planning Director Nielsen stated the majority of the residents of Brynmawr did, however, support
the lights.
Mayor Dahlberg expressed concern only 6 of the 48 questionnaires were returned.
Councilmember McCarty recalled at the time this issue was raised, there were many people present
to address this issue. She felt the lack of response to the questionnaire could be interpreted to
mean the residents are satisfied with the lights as they currently exist. Mayor Dahlberg believed this
to be a reasonable interpretation.
Councilmember Stover suggested there may be different residents in the area now than when this
issue was initially raised. In addition, this may have been a broader survey than necessary in that
some of the residents may not be in close proximity to the light and may not be able to see it or
even be aware of it.
Mayor Dahlberg stated if there is a significant change of heart in the neighborhood, this could be
brought to the attention of the Council for further consideration.
Councilmember O'Neill stated unless there is a legitimate safety concern, he is not in favor of street
lights in Shorewood. Councilmember Stover pointed out there were guidelines which were
followed at the time this matter was considered.
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Mayor Dahlberg suggested a Mayor's meeting for this area to further discuss this matter. He noted
he intends to make some telephone calls to the residents to gain their input.
Dahlberg moved, O'Neill seconded tabling this matter to the August 11, 1997,
meeting of the City Council for further consideration.
Councilmember Garfunkel asked Mayor Dahlberg what methodology he intends to use. Mayor
Dahlberg stated his intention to schedule a Mayor's Meeting with the Brynmawr neighborhood to
discuss any issues the neighborhood may have, including the issue of the lights.
Motion passed 4/1. (McCarty was the dissenting vote.)
7. CONSIDERATION OF A MOTION TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION
ACCEPTING FEASIBILITY REPORT FOR THE SOUTH LINK LATERAL
EXTENSION
Engineer Brown reviewed the feasibility report in detail.
Councilmember Stover noted that two of the five petitioners have already been assessed. Brown
stated that assessment was levied at the time watermain was completed along Smithtown Road
since they benefitted from that watermain. Councilmember Stover inquired whether those $5,000
assessments are included on the assessment roles at this time. Brown confirmed that they are.
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Councilmember Stover stated that technically those two properties could, at substantial expense,
hook onto the water system at a significant distance. Brown noted that to be true. Councilmember
Stover asked approximately how much it would cost for those property owners to hook on.
Brown estimated it would cost approximately $17,000 for one property and approximately $8,000
for the other since it would be approximately half of the distance.
Councilmember Stover inquired how much the cost would be for an average lot abutting a street
with watermain available. Brown stated it would be approximately $800 to $1,200.
Mayor Dahlberg clarified the total cost of the project is divided by five petitioners and he suggested
the $10,000 which was already paid by two of the petitioners could be deducted from the total cost
of the project. Hurm pointed out those two assessments were taken into consideration when water
was put in on Smithtown Road and then should not be taken into consideration in the current
project.
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Mayor Dahlberg reported there have been work session discussions relative to analyzing the cost
and the profitability of a particular project through a break-even analysis.
A feasibility cost alternative analysis was prepared and distributed to the Council. This analysis
was reviewed by Administrator Hurm who pointed out a 15 year break-even point was utilized.
Mayor Dahlberg explained to the petitioners the 15 year break-even time period and the potential
cost of approximately $12,000. Brown explained it could potentially cost approximately $6,000 to
hook up the water from the City main to the home itself.
Bill Wicka, 27930 Smithtown Road, did not feel the properties which were assessed during the
Smithtown Road project benefitted from that project given the fact it will possibly cost them an
additional $17,500 to hook up to the watermain.
Dahlberg moved, Garfunkel seconded recessing the meeting at 9:34 p.m. Motion
passed 5/0. Mayor Dahlberg reconvened the meeting at 9:46 p.m.
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Brown stated due to the outcome of the feasibility report, a public hearing was not scheduled and
plans and specifications were not obtained. He noted contingencies were significantly reduced
and/or eliminated to reduce the analysis.
Brown suggested obtaining contractor input to determine whether the figures in the analysis are
reasonable. Mayor Dahlberg wanted the feasibility report expanded to include the break-even
analysis alternative.
Councilmember Stover felt staff should obtain input from the property owners to determine their
continued interest in pursuing this project.
Dahlberg moved, O'Neill seconded tabling this matter to August 11, 1997, and
directing staff to expand the feasibility report including a break even analysis and
to gather input from the petitioners for the South Link Lateral Extension for
further consideration at the next meeting. Motion passed 5/0.
8. CONSIDERATION OF A MOTION TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION
ACCEPTING A PETITION AND LEVYING FOR WATERMAIN TRUNK
CHARGES AND SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS - WATTEN PONDS
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O'Neill moved, Garfunkel seconded to reconsider a Resolution Accepting a
Petition and Levying for Water main Trunk Charges and Special Assessments for
Watten Ponds. Motion passed 5/0.
McCarty moved, O'Neill seconded adopting RESOLUTION NO. 97-53, "A
Resolution Accepting a Petition and Levying for Watermain Trunk Charges and
Special Assessments - Watten Ponds." Motion passed 5/0.
9. CONSIDERATION OF A MOTION TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION
ACCEPTING BIDS AND A WARDING A CONTRACT FOR A JOINT
SEALCOA TING PROJECT
Brown explained the total base bid to be $46,344.32. This is in combination with Tonka Bay with
$23,878.32 representing Shorewood's portion of the cost. The award of the contract is based on
the total base bid.
McCarty moved, Stover seconded adopting RESOLUTION NO. 97-54, "A
Resolution Accepting Bids and A warding a Contract for a Joint Sealcoating
Project to Allied Blacktop." Motion passed 5/0.
10. CONSIDERATION OF A MOTION TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION
ACCEPTING BIDS AND AWARDING A CONTRACT FOR PROJECT NO.
95-19 SHADY ISLAND BRIDGE
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Brown stated Jay Brothers is a good contractor who does quality work, however they are
aggressive and he would expect to see change orders on a few of the items. Based on their low bid
and the history of the quality work of the contractor, Brown felt this to be a worthwhile bid. He
also pointed out performance and payment bonds will be required.
Stover moved, McCarty seconded adopting RESOLUTION NO. 97-55, "A
Resolution Accepting Bids and Awarding a Contract for Project No. 95-19 Shady
Island Bridge to Jay Brothers, Inc., in the amount of $266,267.03." Motion
passed 5/0.
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. Councilmember Stover inquired whether there is any system by which smaller vehicles could be
utilized by the school district and other services during the time of this construction. Brown stated
during construction, staff would hope these services would utilize smaller vehicles from a
construction, safety and liability standpoint.
Attorney Dean will investigate this matter to determine whether there are statutory restrictions
which may be imposed during the period of construction.
11. ADMINISTRATOR AND STAFF REPORTS
A. STAFF REPORT ON DEVELOPMENT MONITORING
Nielsen reported Phil Tipka has been inspecting the Watten Ponds and Marsh Pointe construction
sites on a daily basis. The developer of Watten Ponds is currently in the process of resolving
differences with the Watershed District.
Mr. Tipka has requested additional erosion control fencing which has not been put in place. The
developer has been contacted and the pump has been turned off so the pond cannot be pumped
until the erosion control is in place. A meeting has been scheduled with the developer to direct the
relocation of some of the tree protection fencing and to discuss some of the other site issues before
the project is again underway.
With respect to Smithtown Meadows, the street and utilities are in. Staff expects landscaping to be
completed by the end of July.
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The fencing of Marsh Pointe has been damaged in several locations. Mr. Tipka has addressed this
issue with the developer and issued punch lists both on the Watten Ponds and Marsh Pointe
projects.
Mayor Dahlberg inquired relative to a piece of curbing which was placed on the LRT. Brown
stated the developer has been advised this must be removed. Staff will be meeting with Mr.
Dillerud to discuss various issues on the site and this will be included in that discussion.
Brown reported on the Southshore Center and stated that measures have been taken to ensure the
project is completed to specification and the contractor is off the site. A punch list has been
developed and steps are being taken to secure contractors to ensure these items are completed.
Brown reported Badger Field has been sodded and staff was very pleased with the performance of
the contractor.
Councilmember O'Neill reported he has inspected the erosion fence at Marsh Pointe and noted the
inspector was on top of this issue. Brown stated a daily punch list is developed and faxed to the
developer.
Mayor Dahlberg asked if the NURP pond on the Smithtown Meadows site meets the requirements
of the Watershed District. Brown stated that project was approved prior to the Watershed District
requiring NURP ponds.
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B . DISCUSSION ON COMMENTS FROM THE SHORELINE
Hurm reviewed some of the resident input which was received relative to the Shoreline. One of the
suggestions was to implement a volunteer motor moratorium where on the third Sunday of every
month of the summer, residents would voluntarily not operate chain saws, lawn equipment and the
like.
Mayor Dahlberg felt this could be approached on a neighborhood basis. Councilmember McCarty
didn't feel any action would be required of the Council, but that the message will get out to the
neighbors.
Hurm reviewed a suggestion relative to signage in Freeman Park and that the City Park entrance
sign at the park be changed to reflect the name of the park. The resident suggested this would
reduce the amount of traffic through Shorewood Oaks in looking for City Park. Hurm stated there
may be some changes in the coming year and it may be appropriate to refer this matter to the Park
Commission for their consideration. Councilmember O'Neill stated it can be a difficult park to
find. Hurm noted the Park Capital Improvement Plan has funds allocated for signage of Freeman
Park.
C. DISCUSSION ON WORK SESSION SCHEDULE
The consensus of the Council was to follow the schedule suggested by staff to hold work sessions
on August 18 and August 26.
12. MAYOR & CITY COUNCIL REPORTS
Mayor Dahlberg requested a meeting with the Department of Transportation regarding closure of
the various roadways along Highway 7.
A. ESTABLISH OPEN FORUM MEETING TOPICS FOR NEXT
MONTH
Councilmember O'Neill proposed an open forum relative to snowmobiles. Councilmember
McCarty did not feel it would be possible to hold an open forum on this particular issue. A work
session in August will be set aside for consideration of the snowmobile issue.
B . DISCUSSION ON POLICE CONTRACT
Mayor Dahlberg recalled the Council had been interested in extending the police contract from a
five year contract to a ten year contract and essentially leaving the provisions of the contract as they
exist. If a change in the formula is indicated, this change should take place on a gradual basis.
Mayor Dahlberg reported he will be meeting with the other mayors and will relay this information
to them.
Gideon Woods
MayorDahlberg and Councilmember O'Neill met with the Gideon Woods neighborhood. There
were discussions relative to utilizing the escrow to cover some of the unfinished items in the
project. In addition, the sign issue was discussed.
Mayor Dahlberg reported a meeting was held with the Games Trust, the owner of the land. There
is a plan of action to get the last four units built. Councilmember O'Neill stated at this time,
everything is in the preliminary stages.
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13. ADJOURNMENT
Stover moved, O'Neill seconded adjourning to a work session at 10:44 p.m.
subject to the approval of claims.
Councilmember O'Neill noted a memo was received from Hennepin County relative to a study on
Highway 19 and the study revealed this highway is an appropriate place for installation of a signal
light. Mayor Dahlberg suggested laying out the details from a budgetary standpoint as well as any
impact this project may have on the City.
Motion passed 5/0.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Cheryl WalIat, Recording Secretary
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