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CITY OF SHOREWOOD
CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING
MONDAY, OCTOBER 11, 2004
5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
7:00 P.M.
MINUTES
1. CONVENE CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Mayor Love called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M.
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Roll Cal
Present:
Mayor Love; Councilmembers Garfunkel, and Turgeon; Administrator Dawson; Attorney
Keane; Engineer Brown; and Finance Director Burton
Absent:
Councilmember Lizee and Zerby; Planning Director Nielsen
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Review Agenda
Turgeon moved, Garfunkel seconded, Approving the Agenda as presented. Motion passed 3/0.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A. City Council Work Session Minutes, September 27, 2004
Garfunkel moved, Turgeon seconded, Approving the City Council Work Session Meeting Minutes of
September 27, 2004, as presented. Motion passed 3/0.
B. City Council Regular Meeting Minutes, September 27, 2004 (Att.- Minutes)
Turgeon moved, Garfunkel seconded, Approving the City Council Regular Meeting Minutes of
September 27, 2004, as presented. Motion passed 3/0.
3. CONSENT AGENDA
Garfunkel moved, Turgeon seconded, Approving the Motions Contained on the Consent
Agenda and Adopting the Resolutions Therein:
A. Approval of the Verified Claims List
B. Staffing - No action
C. Adopting RESOLUTION NO. 04-089, "A Resolution Approving Licenses to
Retailers to Sell Tobacco Products."
D. Setting the Date for the Annual Appreciation Event
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Adopting ORDINANCE NO. 408. "An Ordinance Amending Section 105.05 ofthe
Shorewood City Code Relating to Mayor and City Council Salaries."
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Schedule Canvassing Board Meeting
Motion passed 3/0.
4. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR
There were no matters from the floor presented.
5. REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS
A. Report from MCES Representative Tad Shaw
Tad Shaw, representative for the City of Shorewood to the Minnetonka Community Education Services
(MCES) Advisory Council, reported on recent actions and past history of the MCES Advisory Council.
He noted the Advisory Council had found management deficiencies in the MCES program approximately
six to seven years ago, and had requested a management audit. The Advisory Council had worked with the
District at that time with regard to the issues of concern with MCES programming. The MCES Advisory
Council had not approved the budget, a designated function of the Advisory Council, for three years in
effort to make a statement of concern to the Minnetonka School District School Board. After three years of
lack of approval of the budget by the Advisory Council, the School Board authorized a management audit
to review the actions ofMCES. The Audit reported similar findings to the stated beliefs of the MCES
Advisory Council and further suggested formation of an "ad hoc" committee to define the future direction
of the MCES. A report was written regarding the findings of the ad hoc committee. Mr. Shaw stated the
report was written by the School District Administration representatives and was not representative of the
entire committee at large.
Mr. Shaw went on to explain there were notable differences in recent meetings due to a lack of director for
MCES. Due to this absence, the directorship was being handled directly by the Superintendent of the
Minnetonka School District. He stated he did not believe the Superintendent was working cooperatively
with the Advisory Council, and the Superintendent had indicated to the Advisory Council his belief that the
Advisory Council was operating illegally. Mr. Shaw also stated the Advisory Council had not been notified
of the proposed changes shared with the MCES member cities in a recent letter. Mr. Shaw went on to state
he believed this effort was made in effort to place the management policies of the MCES in the hands of the
School District School Board.
Mayor Love stated he had been contacted by Superintendent Peterson informally approximately thirty days
ago regarding the proposed changes. He also noted the mayors of the ten member cities met with the
Superintendent on a quarterly basis to discuss issues of concern. Mayor Love stated he would bring the
issues raised by Mr. Shaw to the next meeting for further discussion. He also stated he believed the
Council was still finding out all the facts on this issue. Mayor Love went on to state he respected Mr.
Shaw's service to the City as well as his opinion on this issue; however, he wanted additional information
on this issue. Without the objection of Council, he requested a direct presentation be made to Council by a
representative of the School District on this issue. He believed, however, the City should withhold action
until more information could be made available.
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Councilmember Garfunkel stated he also thought it was important to gather additional information on this
issue, and he was uncertain what the motivation was for the School Board to move forward in the manner
presented.
Councilmember Turgeon questioned the rationale for the large number of potential members for the
proposed advisory Council, as well as the process for selection of those committee members. She also
questioned why cities were not notified earlier in this process regarding the proposed by law changes as it
would affect the representation of each city.
Mayor Love thanked Mr. Shaw for his efforts in bringing these issues to the Council.
6. PUBLIC HEARING
None.
7. PARKS
A. Report on the Park Commission meeting of September 28, 2004
In the absence of Park Commission Chair Davis, Engineer Brown reported on the September 28,2004,
Park Commission Meeting (as detailed in the minute of that meeting).
8. PLANNING
Commissioner White reported on matters considered and actions taken at the October 5,2004, Planning
Commission Meeting (as detailed in the minutes of that meeting).
9. GENERAL/NEW BUSINESS
None.
10. ENGINEERING/PUBLIC WORKS
A. Discussion of the Shorewood Oaks Drainage Issues
Engineer Brown explained that at the September 27,2004, City Council Work Session Meeting, Mr. Pete
Willenbring, ofWSB & Associates, had presented alternatives for the Shorewood Oaks drainage issue for
consideration by the Council and neighborhood. At that meeting, Staff had indicated a meeting with the
n~ighbors would follow based on the alternatives presented, and a design for a bituminous overflow swale
to direct drainage from the Freeman Park area, through the City's out lot, and onto Shorewood Oaks Drive
to avoid further infiltration to the neighborhoOd, would be brought back to the Council for additional
consideration.
Engineer Brown went on to state Staff had met with Mr. John Healy, 26040 Shorewood Oaks Drive, and
Ms. Molly Siverts, 26030 Shorewood Oaks Drive, regarding the proposed overflow swale location and
implications to surrounding trees and lots. Engineer Brown then shared a proposed overflow swale design,
noting the proposed alignment for the swale was outside of the City property, due to presence of a large
cottonwood tree in the middle of the out lot area. He also explained Staffhad received comments that the
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width of the overflow swale could be reduced from its current proposed size of 8 feet wide with one-foot
rolled curbing to six feet wide with one-foot rolled curbing to minimize the impact of the necessary
easement to Mr. Healy's property for placement of the swale. In addition, Engineer Brown explained the
slope of the swale would allow for puddles to form as it was quite gradual; however, the overflow swale
would reduce infiltration to the neighboring properties and would increase outflow to the street area.
Since completion of the design, Staffhad held discussions with both property owners and agreement
reached for the cottonwood tree to be removed. While agreement had been reached with the adjacent
property owners regarding the alignment of the swale and removal of the tree, Ms. Siverts strongly objected
to the material be utilized for construction of the overflow swale due to the aesthetics and was present this
evening to address Council on this matter. Engineer Brown stated it was important to consider the cost of
all potential materials to be utilized as well as the cost of other alternatives suggested by Mr. Willenbring.
Estimated costs for the bituminous overflow swale were approximately $22,600. Engineer Brown
reminded all parties present the Council committed to pay for the material costs associated with this
project.
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Bill Thiede, 26060 Shorewood Oaks Drive, thanked Council for providing alternatives to this drainage
matter, and stated he wished to clarify the two options presented at the Work Session meeting two weeks
ago on this issue. He summarized the two options presented, noting Mr. Willenbring had indicated a
preference for Option 2 in this case; however, Mr. Willenbring noted it might be cost-effective to try
Option 1 presented as a bituminous overflow swale first before expending approximately $80,000 on
Option 2. He stated he had also heard that evening that Option 2, involving placement of a pipe along the
edge of Freeman Park would necessitate requests for property easements from area residents, and could
potentially cause a delay in the project. He stated he would favor proceeding with Option 1 in this case, as
he believed, water damage affected property values far more than a bituminous pathway.
John F. Healy, 26040 Shorewood Oaks Drive, stated he was in favor of the pathway, but was not in favor
of having the swale on his property. He stated he would like to see the cottonwood tree removed as he
believed this was an issue of public safety and nuisance. He stated he would not be in favor of granting an
easement to the City for placement of the swale as he had gone to a great deal of time and expense to install
landscaping in the proposed swale area around his house.
Molly Siverts, 26030 Shorewood Oaks Drive, stated she was not against having the problem fixed for the
neighbors, but she was concerned about certain aspects of the swale, such as width. She questioned
whether alternative materials could be utilized for the swale, such as patterned cement or other pathway
materials similar to those found in other places accessing Shorewood Oaks subdivision. She also asked
Council to consider landscaping around the swale area to minimize the aesthetic impact of a bituminous
pathway. She stated she had contacted representatives of Gray Gardens who had stated he would be
willing to speak to Council regarding any potential landscaping plans around the swale area. In addition,
she questioned whether the easements necessary for placement of the piping in Option 2 would be from
Shorewood Oaks residents. She went on to state it would be difficult to assume there would delay in
obtaining these easements if all property owners were experiencing drainage problems.
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Engineer Brown explained the pipe as proposed would be constructed in the rear yards of Shorewood Oaks
residents, and he was not certain these residents were affected by the drainage issues to the extent that Ms.
Siverts and Mr. Healy were in this case. He went on to state easements could be difficult and lengthy to
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In response to Mayor Love's question, Engineer Brown stated, with the cooperation ofMr. Healy and Ms.
Siverts in the removal of the necessary trees, the overflow swale could be constructed within the City outlot
area and would not require an easement from Mr. Healy.
Councilmember Garfunkel clarified that the design presented for the bituminous overflow swale by Mr.
Willenbring would handle additional water flow than what had occurred in recent history. Engineer Brown
stated the swale had been designed to handle a lOO-year rainfall event. Should such an event occur, he
cautioned, it was important to realize rainfall could and had exceeded that event in the past, and the swale
would help but not mitigate all water in that area. Engineer Brown also stated he would review the
proposed design with Mr. Willenbring regarding such an event, and would also discuss replacement oftrees
within the City right-of-way area based on necessary removal to allow the swale.
Councilmember Turgeon questioned the cost difference in utilizing patterned cement versus bituminous
pavement as planned. Engineer Brown stated the cost estimates would double for plain concrete alone. He
also noted he was concerned with the use of concrete in this area due to a forgiving subgrade and permeable
soils that would contribute to cracking. He also stated, in response to Councilmember Garfunkel's
question, that the life cycles of each pavement were quite similar ifbedded properly as designed. He
further noted the City would be responsible for maintenance of the swale area.
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Mayor Love stated he appreciated the input of the neighborhood in working through this issue. He stated
he thought the swale width should be narrowed to be able to keep it within the City's easement area and
avoid tree loss as much as possible and still keep the infiltration and outflow benefits. In addition, he
thought it important to keep within the budget for the proposed swale to allow future Councils to expend
additional funding if necessary to bring further resolution in this case.
Councilmember Garfunkel stated, as a swale he did not find bituminous materials particularly attractive,
however, this swale would most likely serve as a pathway entrance to Freeman Park as well and he did find
the dual use aspect of the swale attractive. He was not certain a swale!pathway could be considered a
detriment to property values, nor was he certain stamped concrete would remove value as well.
Councilmember Turgeon stated if the residents were interested in funding the additional costs to utilize
materials other than bituminous asphalt, she could support such an action; however, she also remained
concerned about the use of cement in permeable soils.
Diane Aslesen, 26055 Shorewood Oaks Drive, stated she would not mind the aesthetics associated with the
use of bituminous materials in this case, as it would be similar to viewing any of the numerous bituminous
driveways present in the Shorewood Oaks area. She stated her main concern was that the swale direct the
water and move it along the appropriate drainage areas in the street. She then questioned how the drainage
would be directed from the Freeman Park area to the overflow swale.
Engineer Brown stated there were a number of grade alterations that would require further examination.
Staff would be trying to examine potential alternatives to reshaping and berming the southerly parking lot
area of Freeman Park to allow appropriate water flow without creating additional water problems for other
residents.
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In response to Ms. Sivert's question regarding the potential funding by the City regarding landscaping
along the swale, Mayor Love explained that in the past, the City had welcomed volunteer gardeners for
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. plantings to be done in the out lot areas throughout the City. He stated he would not support additional
funding for plantings along the swale.
Councilmember Turgeon stated she believed tree replacement to be appropriate use of City funding;
however, she was not interested in seeing hedges or other plantings that could potentially obstruct the swale
planted as additional landscaping. She stated she thought it best to allow Staff to determine the appropriate
low vegetation to be utilized in the area and where best to place that vegetation.
Discussion ensued regarding the maintenance of snow removal for the swale. Engineer Brown noted City
streets would obviously need to take priority over this swale area.
Mayor Love thanked all parties involved for the efforts made in this matter. He stated he believed this case
to be a good discussion with outstanding conclusions.
Engineer Brown stated he would report back at the next Regular City Council meeting with a revised plan
for a swale as well as quotes for the smallest effective width swale to be placed in the City out lot.
11. STAFF AND COUNCIL REPORTS
A. Administrator & Staff
1. County Road 19 Construction Update
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Administrator Dawson stated the bids for the County Road 19 Construction project would be opened on
Wednesday, October 20, 2004, with possible award of the project on October 25, 2004, as part ofthe
Regular City Council Meeting Agenda.
B. Mayor & City Council
No additional reports were made by the Mayor and Council.
12. ADJOURN
Turgeon moved, Garfunkel seconded, Adjourning the Regular City Council Meeting of October 11,
2004, at 8:26 P.M. Motion passed 3/0.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Sally Keefe,
Recording Secretary
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Woody Love, Mayor
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