08-10-15 CC WS Mtg MinMINUTES
1. CONVENE CITY COUNCIL WORD SESSION
5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
6:00 P.M.
Mayor Zerby called the meeting to order at 6:00 P.M.
A. Roll Call
Present. Mayor Zerby; Councilmembers Labadie, Siakel, and Sundberg; Administrator Joynes;
City Clerk Panchyshyn; Finance Director DeJong; Planning Director Nielsen; Director of
Public Works Brown; and, City Engineer Hornby
Absent: Councilmember Woodruff
B. Review Agenda
Sundberg moved, Labadie seconded, approving the agenda as presented. Motion passed 4/0.
A. South Lake Minnetonka Police Department 2016 Budget
Administrator Joynes explained the joint powers agreement (JPA) for the South Lake Minnetonka Police
Department (SLMPD) and for the Excelsior Fire District (EFD) both require the SLMPD Coordinating
Committee and the EFD Governing Board to deliberate the budgets for their respective organization. The
Coordinating Committee has unanimously recommended the 2016 . SLMPD Budget and the EFD Board
has unanimously recommended the three 2016 budgets. Each of the member cities of each organization
must approve the budgets. Once the member cities have approved the budgets the respective boards will
record the adoption of the budgets.
Joynes noted the meeting packet contains a summary of the SLMPD budget.
Joynes explained that for 2016 Interim Chief Siitari made a case for hiring an extra patrol officer. The
costs for that are included in the recommended budget. Siitari realigned some of the existing duties.
Different levels of supervision have been changed and assignments made. The Coordinating Committee
asked that the costs of the extra officer be funded in 2016 with the use of the projected 2015 surplus to
reduce costs to the member cities. Budget reductions in the amount of $69,701 will be used to fund the
cost over time.
The overall budget increase for 2016 is 3.1 percent. Shorewood's contribution for 2016 will increase by
$33,519 for an estimated 2016 contribution of $1,103,665. The total 2016 SLMPD budget is $2,497,229.
Each member city experiences the same percentage increase in its contribution under the JPA operating
funding formula. The SLMPD operating funding formula is in effect for five years and then it is reviewed
and possibly reset for another five years based on three factors — population, tax capacity and initial
complaint reports (ICRs). The formula will be reviewed again for 2017.
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Mayor Zerby noted the proposed SLMPD budget will deplete the surplus which is different than the
reserves. He explained that having a surplus at the end of the year is a good thing because it means the
Department did not spend everything that was budgeted for. Usually a surplus goes into the reserves the
next budget year. What is proposed means the reserves will not be increased because of a surplus. He
likes to use the phrase "wooden nickel" for a situation like that because it takes money out of the fund to
pay for a reoccurring expense in order to lower the budget for the first year of the expense. He expressed
concern about doing that to fund the new patrol officer position. He did not think his concern was
significant enough to vote against the budget. But, he did wane the Coordinating Committee about facing
larger budget increases in the future.
He stated the SLMPD has incurred a number of significant expenses this year. Some technologies were
upgraded; for example, the card reader security system and the network server.
He noted that he supports the addition of a patrol officer. He stated the Coordinating Committee
Members were clear that the new position was to be used for providing patrol services such as speed
enforcement.
Zerby stated he continues to think that the JPA operating funding formula needs to be rebalanced. The
growth in liquor licenses issued by the City of Excelsior has skewed the amount of policing services
Excelsior gets compared to what Shorewood gets for the amount it pays. He noted that he has stated
Shorewood should either get what it pays for or Shorewood should only pay for what it gets.
Councilmember Sundberg recommended the City be very prepared for discussions about resetting the
operating funding formula for 2017. She noted she does not think the formula is equitable now.
Councilmember Labadie asked why the formula won't be reset sooner. Administrator Joynes explained
there was a mediation in 2005/2006 about the operating funding formula and the mediation resulted in an
operating funding formula that three of the four member cities agreed to. Excelsior did not agree to it and
forced the dispute into arbitration. The 2006 arbitrator ruled to basically implement the formula mediated
and essentially established a review pattern of every five years. All four member cities signed off on that.
Mayor Zerby explained the formula was originally constructed to try and reflect the number of hours the
police spent in the member cities in previous years. At the start that formula seemed to be equitable. He
does not think is it any more.
Councilmember Siakel noted that she thought an additional patrol officer should have been added some
time ago. She stated she thought the entire amount of time the department spends for each city needs to
be reevaluated. She then stated all of the SLMPD member cities are also EFD member cities. EFD
member cities do not want to use excess reserves or surplus to fund reoccurring expenses. She went on to
state that using a 2015 surplus to fund the new patrol officer position is kicking the budgetary can down
the road. That expense should be built into the baseline budget.
Director DeJong clarified that the value of each criterion used in the SLMPD funding formula will be
updated for the 2017 — 2021 formula but the fundamental formula is not open to renegotiation unless
there is agreement by the majority of the SLMPD member cities.
Councilmember Sundberg recommended the City look at all of its options.
Administrator Joynes noted that Council will consider approving this budget during its regular meeting
following this work session.
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B. Excelsior Eire District 2016 Budgets
Administrator Joynes noted the meeting packet contains copies of the final recommended Excelsior Fire
District (EFD) 2016 Operating Budget, the 2016 — 2036 Capital Improvement Program (CIP), and the
2016 — 2036 Building Projects Improvements Program (BPIF).
Joynes reviewed the major elements of the 2016 Operating Budget that changed when compared to the
adopted 2015 Budget. The Administrative Specialist position was changed from half -time to full -time
with 50 percent of the costs to be paid by the City of Chanhassen. The change benefits both Fire
Departments and it provides the Specialist with some stability and benefits she did not have as a part-
time employee. The Board decided to move some of the Building Maintenance projects into the operating
fund. During the 2014 budget process there was a great deal of discussion about the wages for the Fire
Chief, Fire Inspector and Administrative Specialist. After researching comparable data of salaries and
jobs a Wage Policy was established in 2013/2014. The Policy identified step increases to bring their
wages to a point where those employees were reasonably paid. They are not above the average. Those
increases are reflected in the recommended Budget. A wage increase is budgeted for the firefighters. The
EFD does maintain a 30 percent Operating Fund reserve per its Fund Balance Policy. That is reflected in
the Budget.
He noted that discussions have already begun about replacing the EFD's Aerial I I ladder truck. Aerial I 1
is slated for replacement in 2018. The replacement cost could be close to $1 million.
Joynes explained Shorewood's contribution toward the EFD Budget will go up 0.3 percent or $1,863 for
2016. The total 2016 municipal contribution for fire services is $1,635,079 and Shorewood's share of
that will be $615,334. The funding formula for fire is based on tax capacity. He noted Shorewood
contracts for fire services on the Islands from the Mound Fire Department and the City's increase in cost
for those services for 2016 will be about $500.
Councilmember Siakel stated the EFD administrative staff had been significantly underpaid back in
2013. The EFD Board decided to give them larger increases over three years to bring their salaries up to a
point where they are reasonably paid. She then stated a major challenge facing the District is keeping and
attracting volunteer firefighters. Back in 2013/2014 the firefighters' pay was also evaluated and it was
determined their hourly rate was below average. It has been increased so it is a little closer to mid -range
for other departments. She noted that she thought the EFD community gets incredible value for the
money it pays. It is in the EFD member cities best interest to maintain a volunteer force from a financial
perspective. She stated Aerial 11 is the workhorse apparatus for the Department.
Administrator Joynes stated the EFD member City Administrators /Manager and Fire Chief have had
some discussions about staffing models. The EFD Board authorized the EFD Chief to try a duty crew
model for about 4.5 months the later part of 2013. The two stations were staffed with two firefighters
from 6:00 P.M. — Midnight on Saturday night.
He explained demographics are making it much more difficult to attract paid -on -call (POC) firefighters.
They can be called into service any time of the day or night every day of the year. The POC hourly rate is
$11 — $12. Firefighters have respond to a certain percentage of calls over a six month period to have
those six months count toward their years of service for pension consideration. Individuals who generally
apply to be a POC firefighter are generally younger and they don't have time to do that. It is difficult for
younger people to find affordable housing in Shorewood and that is required to meet the response time
requirements. This is a problem all over the metropolitan area and the country. People are having to
reevaluate the POC service model. Some major cities are going back to having a full -time (i.e. career) fire
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departments. That is much, much more expensive than a POC department. The candidates the
Department interviewed recently were non - traditional applicants; they were not individuals who would
be with the Department for 10 — 20 years. One or two of them were over 60 years of age and had been a
firefighter before.
Councilmember Siakel stated one of the things outstanding regarding future staffing is the consideration
of a full-time assistant chief. She thought there will be a need to do that over the next few years.
Councilmember Sundberg stated that after reading the information about the replacement of Aerial 11
in with the EFD budget documents she was not convinced that refurbing Aerial 11 or purchasing a
used truck would make sense. Based on what she read she recommended people start preparing for the
purchase of a new Aerial 11 replacement.
Administrator Joynes noted all the options for Aerial I l are expensive. He stated that although used
ladder trucks show up on the market periodically trucks are configured differently depending on a
department's needs. He explained the Department uses its ladder truck different than some other
departments. There are not tall buildings in the EFD community. It used to stage the entire fire scene
from an elevated position. To be able to apply water and retardants from that platform is valuable and
needed. There are many places in the community where it is difficult to get trucks close to a property.
Councilmember Sundberg stated the EFD community is very fortunate to be served by the quality of
professionals the Department has. It is prudent that they be compensated fairly. This is not the time to be
penny wise and dollar foolish.
Administrator Joynes stated that thanks to Councilmember Siakel in large part the hard fought battle
about compensation ended with a positive outcome. Councilmember Sundberg thanked Councilmember
Siakel for working for that and stated it is hard to feel good about EFD staff still being paid below the
market average. Siakel noted it was a significant improvement.
Councilmember Siakel noted that Aerial 11 is the first truck out of Station 1 in part because of how
narrow some of the roadways in the community are. She stated she thought the EFD Board was moving
in the direction of purchasing a new ladder truck.
Director DeJong explained Engine 22 will be paid off in 2017 and the yearly payment for that is more
than $87,300. If the replacement for Aerial 11 were to be a 10 -year lease /purchase arrangement the
$87,300 would go toward minimizing the impact on the EFD CIP for the first five years.
3. 2015 — 2024 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND 2016 GENERAL, FUND
BUDGET DISCUSSION
• Recommended Capital Improvement Program and Tax Levy for 2016
Administrator Joynes explained that during Council's July 27, 2015, work session there was discussion
about the 2016 Capital Improvement Program (CIP) and the changes staff made to it to eliminate any
deficit in funds through 2017. He displayed a slide showing the changes in transfers out of the General
Fund into various CIP funds. The transfer from the General Fund into the Equipment Replacement Fund
had been increased by $15,000. The transfer from the General Fund into the Street Improvement Fund
had been increased by $15,000. He noted he thought there was Council consensus to do that.
He noted that per Council direction the City's draft 2016 General Fund Budget reflects a 2 percent
increase in the tax levy. He then noted Council did not authorize an additional 1 percent levy increase
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specifically for the Shorewood Economic Development Authority (EDA). Council decided if there was a
need for the EDA to have operating funds in 2016 funds could be transferred from the General Fund
reserves to cover that.
Director DeJong asked if Council will support what has been proposed for the 2016 tax levy.
]Badger Park Improvements 1 Lacrosse Association Request
Councilmember Siakel stated during the July 27 Council work session there was discussion about the
reality of making major improvements to Badger Park in 2016. She thought there was Council consensus
to wait until there was a better understanding of how the former Minnetonka Country Club (MCC) will
ultimately be redeveloped. The Parks Improvement Fund still shows improvements being made in 2016
and 2017. She thought making improvements in 2018 and 2019 was more realistic. She also does not
fully support making $73,000 in improvements to the Skate Park in 2016. She noted that she would
prefer not to show a deficit in that Fund when the work will not begin in 2016.
Director DeJong stated the Park Commission has not recommended making any changes to the Park
Capital Improvement Program (CIP). He explained that he and Director Nielsen spoke with Park
Commission Chair Mangold earlier in the day about the CIP to ensure nothing had been left out of the
CIP and to bring the CIP to the Commission during its September meeting. They will solicit
recommendations from the Commission on the CIP.
Councilmember Sundberg asked if the Park Commission is aware of the development opportunity that is
up in the air for the area around the MCC property. Depending on what moves forward Badger Park
could change dramatically or possibly be eliminated. Director Nielsen stated the Commission is fully
aware of the development potential in the area. He noted the MCC Planning Advisory Committee (PAC)
advised against "blowing up" Badger Park and putting senior housing in there. Nielsen then stated from
the Commission's perspective, putting the Southshore Center aside, there is no reason not to move
forward with the improvements to Badger Park. The commercial area north of the Park could develop
around the Park. The northwest quadrant of the Smithtown Crossing Redevelopment Area has little
bearing on Park Improvements. The Commission has made no recommendation to do something different
with the Park.
Sundberg stated she was somewhat befuddled with those comments because there are so many
unknowns; unknowns about the Southshore Center, the development possibilities and the former MCC
property. From her perspective it would make sense to keep Badger Park as is until things are settled
rather than make plans and assumptions. Nielsen stated the only assumption the Park Commission has
made is the Southshore Center is going to remain where it is. If Council has some thought that will not be
there in the future then Badger Park improvements can wait until that decision has been made. Sundberg
noted that she thought it is risky to assume the Southshore Center will stay in its current location. She
stated from her perspective there are a lot of things that need to be sorted out. She clarified that she
values the Southshore Center.
Park Commission Chair Mangold clarified he would like to put his framework around the Badger Park
discussion. He explained every Park Commission recommendation has been that Badger Park should
remain a park. The Commission took a few years to come up with a concept plan for the Park. It took into
consideration all of the City's parks and the Southshore Center. The concept was not a simple discussion.
The Commission brought its concepts forward to Council. It ultimately came forward with a revised
concept, Concept 1.5, which Council approved for the next stage and then the MCC redevelopment came
about.
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The Commission has not been given any direction from Council regarding what to do. The Commission
has a huge issue of where things are at and what it needs to do going forward. There are other elements
that have been brought forward. One element is lacrosse. He stated the Commission needs Council not to
make a final decision about a concept for Badger Park but instead provide the Commission with direction
on how to move forward. The Commission believes if Badger Park is developed it will improve the
Southshore Center. From his perspective if the Southshore Center went away it would be highly unlikely
the site could be redeveloped for senior housing because of the poor soils there.
Mangold stated he thought improvements to Badger Park will happen at some point. The park
Commission needs to start defining what that is going to be again. He then stated that he has been on the
Commission for four years and there are only two Commissioners who had been around for the Badger
Park discussions from early on. He asked if Council wants the Commission to take Badger Park out of
the CIP and work on other things or should the Commission and Council iron out more of what is going
on there. He noted that for Badger Park improvements the next stage is to get out of the concept phase
and move into the development phase so the Commission can work with the Minnetonka Lacrosse
Association.
Councilmember Labadie stated. Lacrosse Association representatives did come before Council and
present some ideas. She asked if they have presented more to the Park Commission since then. Chair
Mangold stated the Association has access to a different set of funding grants. The Association is trying
to determine where its home base will be and then describe what it is offering in a grant. If the City has a
project defined and the Association is a piece of it that makes it better for the Association then just
saying it needs grant money for some unknown field. The Association has not formalized that because
the City has not said what it is going to do. Labadie asked if there is a deadline for that grant application.
Mangold stated he does not know and commented that the Association is not going to wait a couple more
years.
Councilmember Siakel suggested picking a date for a joint meeting of the Council and Park Commission.
She assumes that will happen during Council's regular meeting following this work session. She noted
that not knowing how to move forward with Badger Park must be frustrating for the Commission. She
stated that she has always envisioned that there will Badger Park but the question is what amenities there
will be in the Park. Chair Mangold stated if that is true he asked if that meant the Concept 1.5 plan for the
Park is being scraped.
Administrator Joynes noted the City does not have funding for all of the improvements identified in
Concept 1.5. He stated when the City works with developers on a development project unless there is a
signed document there is no guarantee the project will come to fruition. It is not out of the question that
there could be another real estate bubble or a significant increase in the interest rate could cause the
project to go away for example. He hopes those things relative to the MCC redevelopment project should
be known in the fall. Once that is known then decisions about Badger Park will be easier to make. He
noted Council cannot commit until things fall into place.
Chair Mangold asked if there should be a placeholder in the CIP to keep the plan going. If it doesn't end
up being done in 2016 so be it. He questioned if could be put back in later if it is taken out now.
Councilmember Sundberg clarified that she did not intend that the placeholder for Badger Park be taken
out of the CIP but only that it be pushed out a year or two. She expressed concern about putting the cart
before the horse. She noted that she does not want to commit to the Lacrosse Association at this time.
Administrator Joynes clarified that the CIP can be modified at any time. He stated in a couple of months
he thought the City would have a much better idea about the redevelopment of the former MCC property.
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Councilmember Sundberg stated she does not want to mislead the Park Commission.
Chair Mangold stated there needs to be a joint meeting and before going into the meeting he would like
to know if Concept 1.5 is still the plan being considered. He commented that Concept 1.5 was approved
by Council before the MCC property was sold to a developer. The plan for redeveloping that property
does not directly affect Badger Park.
Administrator Joynes stated the City is being pressured to make a decision about a lacrosse field. Staff
has been hesitant to do that because of what is currently being discussed. From his perspective the
decision about a field should be delayed. He then stated he thought staff could come up with an estimate
of resources and revenues by mid- October.
Mayor Zerby stated it is his understanding that the current ball field in Badger Park is in need of some
repair. He heard the football league brought the issue of divots to the City's attention. He asked if an item
should be put in the CIP to make the repairs to the ball field should major Badger Park improvements be
postponed. Director Nielsen stated the plan is to reconstruct the field. It needs to be regraded, new
material needs to be put down and it needs to be drained. The field is very compressed and when children
fall on it to them it feels like falling on a bituminous surface.
Zerby stated the Lacrosse Association has proposed an artificial turf field. Council supported
investigating that more. He then stated if the major Badger Park improvements are put on hold he had
concern that required maintenance to the ball filed may not be done and sports organizations could
decide to use other fields. Nielsen stated aerating the field would loosen the ground up a little. Zerby
noted he does not want maintenance of the field stopped.
Councilmember Siakel asked how the construction of an artificial turf lacrosse field would be financed.
What does partnering with the City mean to the Lacrosse Association? She stated she thought lacrosse is
a growing sport and it could be worthwhile to partner in constructing a field that would be used. She
asked if the Association would use a new field more than a soccer league would. It may be prudent to
reevaluate how all of the City parks are being used. She asked if there is a place for a lacrosse field in
Freeman Park. Director Nielsen responded a. soccer field could be turned into a lacrosse field in Freeman
Park and noted football uses the field in Badger Park. Nielsen also noted that he has been told that there
are times teams play lacrosse on the soccer fields in Freeman Park. Mayor Zerby stated he has been told
that the ball field in Freeman Park is the only field used by the particular age group that uses it.
Councilmember Labadie expressed concern about there possibly not being adequate parking at Badger
Park for lacrosse tournaments.
Director Nielsen suggested the City come up with a sports tournament policy. Parking for large
tournaments is a problem at all of the City's parks. He stated he does not think parking is an issue for
weekly sports use of the fields.
Nielsen stated that he encouraged Council to review the planning work that had been done by the Park
Commission before the joint meeting of the Council and Park Commission. The Commission worked on
the original Parks Master Plan and it reviewed it again in 2014. That Plan states that Freeman Park is the
primary park where organized sports are played. It is the central park, the largest park and the park with
the most parking. He commented that hockey is played in Cathcart Park and football and lacrosse are
played in Badger Park. He stated it is important for Council and the Park Commission to have a similar
vision for Badger Park and the parks in general.
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Administrator Joynes stated that Council has not made a decision about the $40,000 in the 2016 budget
for a forester / water resources position. It is still in the budget. He reiterated the budget assumes a 2
percent tax levy increase for 2016.
Councilmember Siakel stated that 2 percent tax levy increase is the goal. But, because there is a lot
happening now she suggested certifying a maximum levy of 3 percent. She explained the final levy can
always be reduced but it cannot be increased. Councilmember Sundberg concurred with doing that.
Siakel clarified she does not want 3 percent to be built into the preliminary budget. Mayor Zerby
concurred with the comments.
Administrator Joynes stated Council will set the maximum 2016 tax levy during its September 14
meeting.
Mayor Zerby stated he appreciated the work staff has done on the budget and CIP.
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Sundberg moved, Siakel seconded, Adjourning the City Council Work Session of August 10, 2015,
at 6:51 P.M. Motion passed 4/0.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Christine Freeman, Recorder
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Jean Panchyshyn, City lerk