120583 PK MINCITY OF SHOREWOOD
PARK COMMISSION MEETING
MONDAY, DECEMBER 5, 1983
M I N U T E S
CALL TO ORDER
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD
7:30 PM
Chairman Carol Chapman called the meeting to order at 7:30 PM.
ROLL CALL
Present: Commissioners Carol Chapman, Gary Carl, Marty Jakel, Gordon
Lindstrom, Conrad Schmid (8:00 PM); Council Liaison Bob Gagne;
Planner Brad Nielsen; Deputy Clerk Sue Niccum.
Absent: Commissioner Roger Stein
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Gary Carl moved, seconded by Marty Jakel, to approve the minutes of December 21,
1983 as corrected - page three (3) ... arrow pointing "up ". Motion carried
unanimously.
Clarification of November 21st, 1983 Minutes - paQe three.
Signs for cross country ski trails Freeman Park
Gary Carl will order five signs (see Minutes - page three). Metal posts are
available from maintenance if needed; 4 to 5 -foot steel posts at $7.00 each.
However, Commissioner Carl felt signs could be placed without their use.
PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR - DON ZDRAZIL
Don was present to advise the Commission on various issues.
FREEMAN PARK - PARKING FOR CROSS COUNTRY SKIING
Don said it would not be a problem to plow out parking for 6 cars down by the
ball field, and could be kept plowed all winter, but roads and skating rinks
would have first priority.
CATHCART HOCKEY RINK - BOARD REPAIR
Don said the boards will be repaired before the season opens.
GATES - HOCKEY RINKS
Commission asked Don's advice on whether it would be feasible to build heavy,
well hinged, sturdy gates at the ends of the rinks instead of using the boards,
with the possibility of saving money. Don stated that the total replacement
cost of end boards for both Badger and Cathcart was under $100 last year.
Commission decided to continue using end boards.
SCR PROTECTION - BADGER FREE SKATING RINK
Commission discussed screening protection for free skating rink. Don informed
them that last year the free skating rink was moved closer to the tennis courts
It and away from south end gate. Commissioner Jakel was appointed to find a way
to protect the free skating area. It was noted that Excelsior has one.
PARK COMMISSION MEETING
MONDAY, DECEMBER 5, 1983
Page Two
• Rinks - Opening Date
Commission asked Don if rinks would be ready by December 19th. He replied
it is not likely, because the ground is not frozen and they are having a- problem
with mud at Badger. However, they are trying to clear the snow off so the
ground can freeze, and if there is a cold snap, it's possible. He said
Cathcart is cleared of snow.
Picnic Tables - Manor Park
Commissioner Jakel asked Don if picnic tables could be placed around the edge
of the pond (set back far enough to prevent injury to someone coming off ice),
as there will not be a warming house and people could sit on them to put
skates on. Don said after they plow a road to the pond, and the pond, they
will place the tables accordingly.
The Commission and Council Liaison, Bob Gagne, expressed appreciation to
Public Works Director Zdrazil for attending the meeting and advising them on
various issues.
COVINGTON -VINE RIDGE
Planner Brad Nielsen was present at the meeting, at Chairman Chapman's request,
to assist the Commission.
Eric Canton and Rick Sathre of Sathre /Berquist, gave a presentation.
Proposal
is The property located at the N.W. corner of the intersection of Covington Road
and Vine Hill Road is a rolling, partly wooded area with wetlands, knolls, and
ridges. Their idea is to work with the terrain and environment, and keep the
area as natural as possible.
- 42 acres /64 lots
- 2.72 dwellings - net density (excluding public roads r.o.w. and designated
wetlands)
- minimum lot size 8450 square feet
- wetlands - 13.7 acres
- streets - 4.8 acres
- net land mass - 23.5 acres
Parks
Eric Canton explained that they have designated two Park areas:
1. A 1.6 acre area in the N.W. corner consisting of a higher, wooded area,
nice for family picnics, children play area, etc., to be owned and
maintained as a private park by a homeowners association.
2. A 1.9 meadow area on Covington Road to be a public park and offered to
the City if they desire it.
3. An Outlot of 13.7 acres of wetlands, to be common homeowner area.
Commissioner Carl explained that the City does not wish to accept the parks
under 5 acres, they do not have the finances for upkeep of many small parks.
Commission informed Mr. Canton that they encourage them to maintain the
parks, liked the idea, but would prefer money rather than land.
PARK COMMISSION MEETING
MONDAY, DECEMBER 5, 1983
Page Three
• Covington -Vine Ridge, continued
After Mr. Canton and Mr. Sathre left, Commission discussed above, deciding that
a long - range plan would be to acquire a 10 acre park in the general Covington
area. They decided to make a motion to the Planning Commission regarding
Covington -Vine Ridge.
Gary Carl moved, seconded by Marty Jakel, that the Park Commission suggest to
the Planning Commission that because Covington -Vine Ridge developers are
requesting higher density, they should be encouraged to develop and maintain,
as a private park area, both the proposed park areas and connecting trail, as
this seems a logical part of P.U.D. open space. Motion carried unanimously.
EXCELSIOR AMERICAN LEGION POST DONATION TO CENTURY CLUB
Mr. Sonny Streeter and Mr. Lennie Bergland of American Legion Post #259,
24450 Smithtown Road, presented the Park Commission with a check for $2,000,
asking that it be specifically placed in the Century Club and used wherever the
Commission desires.
Council Liaison Bob Gagne and the Commission expressed deep thanks to the Legion
for their generous gift.
ST. JOHNS PRESERVE - GARY MINION
Planner Nielsen was present to offer assistance. to Commission.
• Gary Minion made a presentation.
Proposal
The property consists of approximately 13.11 acreas which the applicant proposes
to divide into 11 lots. Approximately 5.48 acres is designated as wetland area.
Parks
Mr. Minion offered wetlands to city, suggesting trails.
Cary Carl moved, seconded by Gordon Lindstrom, to accept financial consideration
rather than parkland. Motion carried unanimously.
HOCKEY RINK LIGHTS - ESTIMATED HOURLY RATE
Staff reported that each 1000 watt light
- Badger rink - 4 1000 watt
- 2 small lights approx.
Total hourly rate for lights
- Badger Park football - 6 1000 watt
- Cathcart Rink - same as Badger
costs $5.22 hourly.
= $20.88
2.00
$22.88
$31.32
Commission discussed hourly rink rental rate of $25.00 per hour and asked staff
to check with Finance Director for figures on other hourly costs, (i.e. insurance,
rink attendant wages, etc.), and report back to Commission so they can set a
new hourly rate.
PARK COMMISSION MEETING
MONDAY, DECEMBER 5, 1983
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Hockey Rink, continued
Staff was also instructed to talk to Administrator about writing a memo regarding
turning off the rink lights to go to City Crew and Athletic Associations.
Commissioner Lindstrom is checking into electrician service to rewire lights
so they can use less lighting while flooding.
ADJOURNMENT
Con Schmid moved, Gordon Lindstrom seconded, to adjourn at 9:45 PM. Motion
carried unanimously.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
SUE NICCUM,
DEPUTY CLERK
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