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010686 PK MINCITY OF SHOREWOOD PARK COMMISSION MEETING MONDAY, JANUARY 6, 1986 M I N U T E S CALL TO ORDER COUNCIL CHAMBERS 5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD 7:00 P.M. Chairman Lindstrom called the meeting to order at 7:16 P.M. ROLL CALL Present: Chairman Lindstrom, Commissioners Schmid (7:22), Kooi (7:16), Jakel, and Vogel; Council Liaison Gagne (had to leave early because of Council meeting) and Secretary Niccum Absent: Commissioner Squires SNOWMOBILE ORDINANCE The Council Chambers was full to capacity with people concerned about this issue. Chairman Lindstrom explained that the Snowmobile Ordinance was originally brought up because of a complaint. Gordon Christensen -26190 Birch Bluff Road and Bill Fernandez -5875 Howards Point Rd. both mentioned the fact that the original complaint was a personal complaint between • neighbors, and as the other neighbor has left the area, they felt the problem should have been solved. Gordon Christensen said most of the residents of Shore- wood chose to live in this area because they can snowmobile, horseback ride, and use their boats. Bill Johnson -27170 Beverly Drive asked for more detail on the complaint. Chairman Lindstrom said the complaint dealt with noise at 3:00 A.M., lights, and grooming the trail in the middle of the night. He also mentioned that this had lead into a discussion as to whether the City of Shorewood is starting to grow to the extent where snowmobiles should eventually be banned. Jack- Minnetgnka said the grooming is now done during the day. Jeff Hanson - President of the South West Trail Association fbh'tiohbd the fact that a petition in favor of keeping the trail open had been signed by 355 people, 67 of them Shorewood residents, and submitted to the City. He said that he had been working on the trail last week and saw over 50 snowmobiles come through in a 3 hour period of time, which proves the trail is being used. He also said the biggest problem is misuse of the trail by three wheelers and trucks. He suggested lowering the speed limit on the trails to 20 m.p.h. and on the streets to 10 m.p.h., saying that 20 m.p.h. is high for street driving. He said they have put up signs and will put up more. John Calendar -25510 Birch Bluff Road said they recently moved into Shorewood and the fact that there was a snowmobile trail close to their home was an important . consideration in buying their home. CITY OF SHOREWOOD PARK COMMISSION MEETING MONDAY, JANUARY 6, 1986 page two Jim Ward -Lake Minnetonka area said people would rather utilize well groomed trails than ride on the streets. Josh Uran -Tonka Bay said a well groomed trail is level and makes the motor run smoother and helps the lights from bouncing up and down. Jim Kohlman -Tonka Bay along with several people present, said he lives right on the Railroad Corridor and the noise does not bother him. Mike Jurgeons of Shorewood said that most of the houses are set at angles where the light shouldn't bother the people that live there. Bill Kullberg -Mound said he has been over to the complaintants house and has marked The trail. He has also marked the trail into Cathcart Park to prevent entry through the park. He also said most snowmobiles now are quiet machines. Todd Roberts - Chaska said the majority of people will be responsible. If the trail is kept up it will be used by most people. Jerry Brecke -27450 Pine Bend said he has two teenagers and he feels a lot safer with them riding on the designated trails than if they were on the streets. Dale Nephew -5865 Eureka Road said the tra that he has three brothers in Chaska, and them to get to his house. Commissioner Schmid mentioned that the 67 around 1% of Shorewood's population. One percentage the one person that complained it affects more than this area, mentioning the trail system is the safest way for people that signed the petition were of the audience then asked what is. Commissioner Kooi asked what the speed limit is on the trail. She was told 35 m.p.h. on the trail and 50 m.p.h. on the lake. Commissioner Jakel felt there should be m.p.h. signs and crossing signs to aid cars. One of the snowmobilers present stated that ignorance is no excuse,,that information is given with both the license and when the snowmobile is bought, therefore signs shouldn't be needed. Commissioner Kooi felt that first of all the Commission should decide whether they live in "City" or "Country ", that speed limit should be placed, that they should keep out of parks, and that signage should be increased. Chairman Lindstrom said there were more problems years ago, then the Snoskippers formed a club to try to educate people, he said the South West Trail Association has done a brilliant job. He also mentioned that one of the functions of the Park Commission is to tend to recreational needs of its residents. Jeff Hanson -South West Trail Association President said they could rope off sections of the trail so the snowmoblies would be running between two ropes if necessary. • CITY OF SHOREWOOD PARK COMMISSION MEETING MONDAY, JANUARY 6, 1986 page three One of the snowmobilers in the audience wanted th know where their money goes. John Arnst asked if any of the snowmobilers had been up in Ely this past weekend, stating that they had opened a new 170 mile trail, and that is where their money is going. Ron Kramer said he thought a speed limit on the Railroad Corridor is a good idea. Schmid moved, Kooi seconded, to recommend to Council to leave the trail as it is, with the following additions: that 20_m.p.h. signs go up on the Railroad Corridor, that the South West Trail Association work with the City and inform us of any other area where signs should be placed, that no motorized vehicles be allowed in the parks, and that the Snowmobile Ordinance be reviewed in September at annual ordinance review time. Motion carried - 4 ayes - 1 nay (Kooi). APPROVAL OF MINUTES Jakel moved, Vogel seconded, to approve the minutes of November 18, 1985 as written. Motion carried unanimously. NEAR MOUNTAIN - PROPOSED PARK PROPERTY Planner Nielsen had talked to Chairman Lindstrom and also given information to Council Liaison Gagne regarding the changes in proposed park property. Mr. • Bruce was not willing to part with the 100' wide lot that the Park Commission made a motion to accept at their last meeting. There were again two choices, Alternative B, taking all of Lot 1 from the Near Mountain property at a cost of approximately $35- 50,000 or more, to be deducted first from Park Dedication Fees; and Alternative C - which is in the same area as Alternative A, the Park Commission's choice at the last meeting, the only difference being that instead of being a 100' strip, it is now proposed as a 15 -20' wide strip for pedestrian, cross - country skiing, etc. access to the north end of Silver Lake. It would be free to the City and would not detract from the total cash dedication. Kooi moved, Jakel seconded, to accept Alternative C. Motion carried by Roll Call Vote - 5 ayes. NEW PARK HAS A NAME CHOSEN The Park Commission came up with a list of 21 names and finally narrowed it down. Kooi moved, Jakel seconded, to recommend to Council that they name the "New Park" off of Covington Road "Silverwood Park ". Motion carried unanimously. THANK YOU LETTERS The Park Commission asked the Secretary to write thank you notes to Mark Larabree and the Public Works Department. CITY OF SHOREWOOD PARK COMMISSION MEETING MONDAY, JANUARY 6, 1986 page four PARK APPLICANTS The Commissioners had been asked to bring 3 names of prospective park commission members to the meeting. Chairman Lindstrom mentioned Jack Hendrickson and also said Mark Larabree has offered help if it is needed. REPORTS Chairman Lindstrom reported that he had gone to Manor Park with Public Works Director Zdrazil and showed him a location for the warming house, halfway between the pond and the playground equipment. He also announced that Zdrazil had begun a road in Freeman Park using the asphalt that had been piled there, and it seems to be working out very well. Chairman Lindstrom suggests that the practice be continued to provide access into the rest of the park. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR Vacuum Cleaners and Boom Box purchase Schmid moved, Jakel seconded, to recommend to Council to approve the purchases of 2 vacuum cleaners and a Boom Box to be used in the warming houses. Motion carried unanimously. Fire Ring • Commission discussed the fact that the fire Department had showed up at Cathcart because the fire was burning and a resident driving by called them. It is suggested that if the fire ring is to be lit, the fire department should be informed, discussion also took place regarding permits. Schmid moved, Jakel seconded, to table fire ring discussion until February. Liaisons January 13 - Council - Kooi January 27 - Council February 10- Council - Lindstrom February 24- Council - Vogel ELECT OF CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIRMAN, AND REAPPOINTMENT OF COMMISSIONERS Lindstrom moved, Schmid seconded, to recommend to Council to reappoint Ken Vogel and Martey Jakel to their positions as Park Commissioners, terms to run from 1/1/86 to 12/31/88. Motions carried - 4 ayes - 1 abstain. Jakel moved, Lindstrom seconded, to recommend to Council that Commissioner Conrad Schmid be appointed Chairman for 1986. Motion carried - 4 ayes - 1 abstain. Schmid moved, Jakel seconded, to recommend to Council that Commissioner Mari Kooi be appointed Vice Chairman for 1986. Motion carried - 4 ayes - 1 abstain. ADJOURNMENT Jakel moved, Schmid seconded, to adjourn at 10:30 P.M.