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111786 PK MINCITY OF SHOREWOOD PARK COMMISSION MEETING MONDAY, NOVEMBER 17, 1986 CALL TO ORDER COUNCIL CHAMBERS 5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD 7:00 PM M I N U T E S Acting Chairman Jakel called the meeting to order at 7:05 P.M. Chairman Schmid appeared at 7:30 and took over the Chair. ROLL CALL Present: Chairman Schmid (7:30 PM), Commissioners Jakel, Vogel, Andrus, Christensen, and Lindstrom (7:40 PM); Council Liaison Shaw and Deputy Clerk Niccum. Absent Commissioner Laberee NEW COMMISSIONER WELCOMED Mr. James Andrus of 4971 Kensington Gate was welcomed as a new Commissioner. DOCK DISCUSSION Rick Niccum of Crepeau Docks, Jeff Fox of Sery -a -dock, and Gary Eklof of Eklof Docks were courteous enough to attend the meeting at the Commission's invitation to offer information and answer questions. Jeff Fox of Sery -a -dock said he would want to see the City's certificate of Insurance before he would even consider putting a dock in due to the liability involved. He said it would be beneficial to take depth readings every 1620 • feet and that this could be done with an auger on the ice in the winter. He also mentioned the fact that the depth of the water for the height of a person is important. He said one year the lake dropped 21" between May 29th and October 28th so the fall water level is important. Gary Eklof said it is important to consider the height of the dock because if it's too low the waves could create problems and wash the decks off. Both Eklof and Fox felt that a floating dock would be a good idea because it moves with the water level, and its good for swimming lessons. It can either have 4 posts or the anchoring can be under- neath so there are no posts to present a safety problem. Rick Niccum said Orono has had a floating dock for years. Fox said Mound also has one. It was suggested that the City check with other Cities and camps to see what type of docking they are using, if they've had problems, and what they recommend. A "U" shaped and "T" shaped dock were also discussed. The "U" shaped dock was referred to as a typical camp dock. Eklof said a "U" shaped dock at Crescent would probably take about 130' of dock. Jeff Fox said he put in a 64' dock three doors away from Crescent Beach and the water was waist high. When discussing the originally proposed straight 40' dock several items of discussion were brought up by Fox, Eklof, and Niccum - How would the dock be restricted? Handrails? Post height should be decided by the Commission - they should either be 4' or higher or flush with the dock (which is not as stable) to prevent injury by falling on them. How restricted is the use of the dock after hours? Could it be fenced off to prevent use? Will it start on shore or in the water? Whats the law on diving depth (pools -8 The age of people using • it has a lot to do with height. The docks should drop with the water level. -1- PARK COMMISSION MINUTES MONDAY, NOVEMBER 17, 1986 page two DOCK DISCUSSION - cont. is The Commission also wondered: -how to prevent slipperiness? -what does our insurance cover? -how stable is a floating dock in a storm ?. -what can be done to ,prevent theft? -how much does a floating dock cost? Fox said the only solution he could think of to prevent slipperines>sit a mixture of sand and paint. He wouldn't advise it as it has a tendency to wear quickly, need repainting often, and look tacky. The stability of a floating dock in a storm depends upon the individual dock. A suggestion to prevent theft is, recessed sockets and the use of allen wrenches. A floating dock costs about 50% more than a stationary dock. Commissioner Christensen felt it should be a stationary pipe driven dock with the posts 4' in height, allen wrench fastenings, start out about 10' from shore and be installed and removed every year. Fox suggested checking lake level for last 40 years from Memorial Day to Labor Day. He also felt a 40' dock was not long enough. He mentioned Deephaven's beach near the Cottagewood Store and suggested checking it out. MANOR WARMING HOUSE /PAVILION After receiving feedback from various people and companies the Commission is • now trying to come up with a building that looks nice and doesn't require maintenance. At Administrator Vogt's suggestion they are considering stubbing in restroom plumbing and providing the room for future development. They would appreciate if Administrator Vogt would check with the cities of Hopkins and Minnetonka to see if either of them would be willing to release their plans for a concrete shelter to us for use. FREEMAN PARK GATE The Commission discussed the gate across Eureka Road. They would appreciate it if Public Works Director Zdrazil would check on farm gates through Sears, Wards, Menards., and Fleet Farm and see if its cheaper to buy them or build them. They thought perhaps two gates would be easier to manage than on big one. RINK ATTENDANTS SALARIES Commissioner Jakel brought up a prospective rink attendant that has a minor in recreation and parks and a degree in Education. He wondered if he could be started at $4.75 due to his experience. The Commission discussed the effect it would have on the morale of other attendants. They decided that if he could be put into a position of more authority it might be possible to pay him that amount. HOCKEY GOALEE NETS Commissioner Jakel checked into used goalee nets and found there weren't any available. He got prices from A & B - $590.00 pr. without nets and Kokesh - • $390.00 @ without nets. Staff will check with Public Works Director Zdrazil about the possibility of his department making the frames. -2- PARK COMMISSION MINUTES MONDAY, NOVEMBER 17, 1986 page three FREEMAN PARK - PARKING AREA /SNOWMOBILE USE The Commission discussed asking Public Works Director Zdrazil if a road could be plowed part way into Eureka Road with a small rectangular parking area for cross country skiers use. They would like to have it close enough to the road so it would be visible when the police drive by on Eureka. They also thought the snow being plowed out of the parking area could be plowed into a bank across Eureka Road to prevent access by vehicle farther into the park. Snowmobile use in the park was brought up for discussion. To prevent a possible problem of their use all over the park it was suggested that a sign be placed in the parking area reading "No loading or unloading of snowmobiles ". NEWSLETTER ARTICLE Sue asked the Commission if they would like to place an article in the newsletter relating to their accomplishments this year. They said yes and mentioned several ideas. QN0T.TRT (1GTFRQ The Commission asked if Public Works Director Zdrazil could also get estimates from Toro, Honda, Sears, Snapper and Ariens. CATHCART SAFETY NET - HOCKEY RINK Commissioner Jakel mentioned that the safety net is up at Cathcart and that a good job was done. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR Resignation - Conrad Schmid Chairman Schmid resigned as of January 1, 1987 after serving 9 years on the Commission. December Meetin December 1st. ADJOURNMENT Vogel moved, Lindstrom seconded, to adjourn at 9:30 P.M., Motion carried unanimously. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, Sue Niccum Deputy Clerk /Park Assistant SN /slt -3-