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021887 PK MINCITY OF SHOREWOOD PARK COMMISSION MEETING WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 18, 1987 M I N U T E S CALL TO ORDER Chairman Jakel called the meeting to order at 7:05 PM. ROLL CALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS 5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD 7:00 PM Present: Chairman Jakel, Commissioners Lindstrom, Vogel, Christensen, Andrus, and Laberee (7:18) Also Present: Council Liaison Brancel, Engineer Norton, and Park Assistant Niccum APPROVAL OF MINUTES Andrus moved, Lindstrom seconded, to approve the minutes of Monday, February 2, 1987, be approved as amended. Motion carried unanimously. PARK COMMISSION APPLICANT VOTE Lindstrom moved, Christensen seconded, to recommend to Council to appoint Bob Nicol of 19375 Vine Ridge Road as a new Park Commissioner. Motion carried unanimously. • SH OREWOOD OAKS The Commission had expressed concern over the drainage into Freeman Park. This included the present state of the work that has been done as well as whats to be done in the future. Mr. Dave Johnson, owner of the project and Jim Norton, Shore - wood's engineer, were present, at the request of the Commission, to offer additional information. Engineer Norton explained that Freeman Park is the downstream area for drainage, that it has always been planned that way. He explained that Richard Knutson Inc. had been hired to basically do all the utility work. Most of the sewer has been installed. This was done in the winter to enable the heavy equipment to work on frozen ground due to the high water table. This left a problem on how to get rid of the water and the trench was dug for drainage purposes. Due to Mr. Johnson's illness, the contractor ended up pulling out without finishing the work. The Feasibility Report has been received and at present time the City staff is working with Mr. Johnson to resolve any concerns dealt with in this report. Mr. Johnson said at this time he has asked the City to include all utilities in a bond issue, the total amount to be assessed back to the project. He said he did not make this request previously due to the time frame involved. -1- PARK COMMISSION MEETING WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 18, 1987 page two SHOREWOOD OAKS - continued Commissioner Lindstrom referred to the original plan of 50 to 100 loads of fill to be available for use in the northeast corner of Freeman Park. He also mentioned the Park Commission's serious concerns over the swath cut through the middle of the park; the straightness, the width, and the division of the park into two sections. So far the swath extends 900' in a straight line, 500' in Shorewood Oaks and 400' into Freeman Park. Commissioner Christensen said his concern is the "end product" Engineer Norton said Ray Brandt, Johnson's engineer, said the pipe will be a 42" or 48" pipe. To prevent erosion a concrete surge basin approximately 10' x 12' x 5', surrounded by rip rap, will be added at the end of the pipe where the drainage makes the transition from the pipe to the ditch. The bottom of the ditch will be dug out and rip rap will be placed in the bottom. An overflow control area, con- structed before the 48" that exits the park under the abandoned railroad track, will create an 18" outflow instead of a 48" outflow. When the design is done a "dry pond" will exist. This will only become wet when there's a heavy rainfall. The water will run off gradually and be gone within 24 hours. Commissioner Christensen said he could see more water being dumped into the area and wondered if it would end-up "mucky ". Engineer Norton doesn't think any change will be seen. He said ponding is usually only caused by an excessive rain storm (100 year). • The pipe comes north from Shorewood Oaks 335', angles to the right and runs 115' then angles left again 270' to the drainage ditch. The Commission, Mr. Johnson, and Engineer Norton discussed the possibility of extending the ditch to create a more natural environment, this would, of course, shorten the pipe. Norton said the outflow pipe would require periodic maintenance due to debris. Vogel moved, Laberee seconded, to recommend to Council that they approve Shorewood Oaks but that they take note of the Park Commission's concerns stated in the February 2, 1987 Park Commission minutes (see attached). Motion carried unanimously. SHOREWOOD OAKS /FREEMAN PARK TRAIL The Commission discussed the bulldozing of the trail and whether it would create any problems regarding Shorewood Oaks property line. The general opinion expressed was that the trails conforin closely to the design drawn by Anne Bronkin and are quite a distance inside the property line. Some of the Commissioners will be present at the time the trail is done. if any area is questionable regarding the property line , they will not bulldoze that area. A survey was discussed but the Commission felt that Shorewood Oaks will stake their north property line and they will work from that. The Commission asked Engineer Norton if he had any suggestions regarding the trail. He suggested it be wide enough for vehicular traffic in case repairs are needed. -2- PARR COMMISSION MEETING WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 18, 1987 page three NEAR MOUNTAIN - PARR DEDICATION Near Mountain cut their number of units, thus reducing park dedication fees by approximately $15,000. At the last meeting the Commission discussed various ways of compensating for this loss. Mr. Peter Pflaum of Lundgren Brothers appeared to represent Near Mountain. He brought 3 plans of Near Mountain showing how the plans have changed since the begin- ning. The lookout points were discussed. Mr. Pflaum stated that of the three origin- ally planned lookouts, the one in Chanhassen was dropped by their City because of maintenance costs, the other two were dropped by the City of Shorewood. He also mentioned the fact that Shorewood also had the opportunity of receiving approximately one acre of land at the time they chose the 20' access to Silver Lake. He went on to say that a density change in a P.U.D. is not unusual. He said the Council had told him to attend the meeting, that he felt he was "being held hostage ", and that he felt that an ethical and legal question may exist. He said he would rather deal in cash than services, and $15,000 is max. The Commission reviewed the situation and informed newer Commissioners of why things were done the way they were. At the time they were making these decisions they were also trying to purchase Silverwood Park property. At that time the cash flow was extremely limited and the cost of the lookouts and the cost of the one acre piece of property would have been deducted from the park dedication fee. The financial status of the Park Capital Improvement Fund at that time would not allow the reduction in park dedication fees. The Commission does not feel that the 20' strip going toward Silver Lake is worth much to them because when they accepted the property the idea was that it would be a good place to put in a dock or lookout area to view Silver Lake and allow launching of canoes. The fact that it is in between two new homes in Bruce's Silver Ridge development pretty much precludes the idea of putting in a dock of any kind. The fact that there are about 500' of bullruches between the end of the property and the lake makes it impossible to launch canoes or to see the lake. They felt the only possibility regareding this property would be to see if it is possible to dredge a small channel through the bullrushes to open water to allow launching of canoes and allow cross country skiing in the winter. This would require DNR approval. Laberee moved, Vogel seconded, to recommend to the Council that the Council negotiate with Near Mountain, starting at $15,000, for a monetary amount, to be used only in Silverwood Park. Motion carried unanimously. SILVERWOOD PARR P LAN Commissioner Laberee presented a preliminary design for the park. Mr. and Mrs. Christensen, who are considering buying a lot bordering the park, were present. mrs. Christensen expressed concern over hockey rink lighting too close to the Covington Vine Ridge homes on the east side of the park. She appeared satis- fied with the location shown on the preliminary design. -3- PARK COMMISSION MEETING WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 18, 1987 page four SILVERWOOD PARK PLAN - continued The Commission studied the design and propsed two changes: to the parking lot to the south so it will be parallel with the road, and to try to fit two tennis courts in on the lower level, possibly back behind the parking lot. They also dis- cussed a winter sliding area. They discussed a retaining wall backing for the tennis courts. Laberee said walls made of boulders could be hazardous if over 4 in height because they are easy for children to climb, he suggested wood. He will bring a revised plan to the next meeting. When the plan is definately decided, with no changes to be made, it can be presented to the City Administrator who will give it to the City engineer to draw up the grading plan. Pir -wic A REA n®cA Ptcni 1r_ A4MA �SOFTBA LL FIELD DREDCED POM p W1 -4- PARR COMMISSION MEETING WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 18, 1987 page five • LANDSCAPING DESIGN FOR PARRS The Commission discussed landscaping in all City Parks: Freeman Park Not ready, plan could be changed. Badger Park Wait until decision on remodeling City Hall reached. Silverwood Park Not ready Vogel moved, Lindstrom seconded, to recommend to Council that a landscape architect be hired to do landscaping plans for Manor Park and Cathcart Park, 8 hours apiece or not to exceed a combined total of 16 hours. Motion carried unanimously. *The Commission would like also to inform the Council that there are trees in Cathcart that can probably be transplanted into Manor but in three years these trees will be too large to transplant. Commissioner Laberee offered, as a favor to the City, to do it for $35 an hour. CRESCENT BEACH DOCK The Commission studied the following dock information. • . ADD M DOOR SECTIONS POSTS ADDRESS PRICE /LENGTN ! IRCLUDEU OR EXTRA 1. Swperdeek 5 feet L x 3 112 Extra - see 7753 Beech St. W. hardware N.E. 1 .ec. - 2140.00 Minneapolis. 50: 10 sec. - 50 ft. 571 -2247 10x2140 - 21400 + Keith Soulais $40 for 2 $peters. - $1440 2. Crepeau Docks 8 ft. L x 3 112 Posts included Shorewood ft. W Delivery • 474 -6015 1 sec. $262 Rick Nice— 6 sec. - 48 ft.. with pipes - $14.40 6x$262 $1,572 3. Sety- A-Dock B ft. L x 3 1/2 Posts included My. 5 ft. W Ladder - $200 Victoria 1 sec. • $176.50 443 -2811 6 sec. 48 ft. Jeffry Pox 6x$178.50.. $1,071. .. DOCK - ALTERNATIVES FOR CRESCENT BEACH Misc. HARDWARE INSTALLATION 4 ACCESSORIES Initial installation posts, caps 6 nuts by company - $300 - $425 + $200 Crews would have to (est.) for ladder remove and install 5625. .ft., initial (price is based on installation, as 22 Posts, ea. 7 ft. company does not long ato 12.50 ea e) do this. Cities can eupply own pipe if they desire. $117 for initial 55 gal. drum $20 installation and ladder - $200 $72 to remove first Miac Year. $144 per yr. jack for level - In 4 out after ing $45 first yr. if crew sleeve he®et 50 M1au ls. alien locks 14 R S2 ea. - $28 DELIVERY ARRANGEMENTS We can either pick up or pay the freight to have the dock .hipped. We pick up $160 for initial Starter bracket Delivery Installation with pipes - $31.50 included in Ladder - $200 price MISCELLANEOUS ' COMMENTS TOTAL COST Polyethylene $1,440 - Dock plastic, no 300 - Initial paint, mainten- Install. anca free, akid- 625 - Post, free surface, Ladder, colors - white, Hardware beige, green $2,365 • Total $1,572 - Dock _ 117 - Initial Install. 220 Ladder 4 Drum 123 Misc. Tools $2.032 • Total Used Crepeau - S1.071 • Dock. 3 years old 160- Initial Install. 231.50 - Ladder/ Hardware $1.46. 0 4. Bar, -A - Desk 10 ft. L a ft., Posts included No installation Starter bracket Delivery 2 year old $1,242 - Dock Jeff Fox W available with pipes - $14.40 included Eklof Dock 214.40 - 1 aec. 2248.406 Ladder - $200 in price Ladder/ 5 sec. • SO ft. - , Hardware 5x$245.40 51,456.40. $1.242. mAMr DOCK SECTIONS POSTS MISC. HARDWARE DELIVERY MISCELLANEOUS 5, 300E35 LI PRICLENOTH INCLUDED OR EXTRA INSTALLATION 6 ACCESSORIES ARRANGEMENTS COMMENTS TOTAL COST SsrwA -Dock B ft. L x 3 1/2 Posts Included $160 for lnitia4 starter bracket. Delivery Galy -A -Dock $1,494 - Dock . Jeff Tea [t. H Installation with pipes - $51.65 included (Black) 160 • Initial 1 $249 ladder - $200 1. price I=11. 6 see. - 48 [t. ,. +•-. 252.65 Mist. $1.905.65. 6x$249 - $1.494 6• Ser,- A-Dock Jeff fax 6 ft.'L i 3 111 Posts 1 -1-444 $160 Initial ft. H Installation 1 sae. - $181 6 ..e. • u ee; i x $205 - $1.710 starter bracket • Deliwry $69.60 Included , ladder .• $200 Gal, -A -Doak $1.710 - Deck iN - Install 269.60 - 144"T/ d:17CR 1100 ' r. -5- PARR COMMISSION MEETING WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 18, 1987 page six 0 CRESCENT BEACH DOCK - continued Tonka Bay and Shorewood staff worked together to compile the presented information. The Commission rejected #3 and #4 because they were used docks, and #1 because of lack of back history. Commissioner Christensen has had a Crepeau dock for over ten years and has been very satisfied with it. Jeff Fox of Sery -A -Dock has Crepeau, Ecklof, and Sery -A -Dock set up on his site in case anyone would like to compare docks. Andrus moved, Vogel seconded, to recommend a Crepeau Dock be purchased. Motion carried unanimously. The Park Commission's recommendation will be passed on to the Tonka Bay Council (they do not have a Park Commission), if they are in agreement it will be passed on to Shorewood's Council, if they disagree Shorewood and Tonka Bay will work together until they reach a satisfactory decision. MANOR WARMING HOUSE /PAVILION Commissioner Lindstrom has passed the original rough sketches of the warming house/ pavilion to an architect who will draw up rough preliminary sketches and cost esti- • mates free of charge. BADGER FOOTBALL FIELD /MANOR BALL FIELD Commissioner Laberee visited Badger and Manor Parks with Don Wagner of Don's Sod Service. Wagner will be presenting an updated estimate on Badger football field and a new one on Manor field. Wagner's one concern was that originally scraping the old fill off the field was part of the bid and if it is done by the City he says the existing grade is good and he wants to make sure the grade remains and that too much fill is not scraped off. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR none FINANCES none REPORTS Commissioner Lindstrom reported that Public Works Director Zdrazil had suggested plowing, discing, and seeding the large field in Freeman Park. ADJOURNMENT Laberee moved, Vogel seconded, to adjourn at 10:35 PM. Motion carried unanimously. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED Sue Niccum, Deputy Clerk /Park Assistant -6-