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CITY OF SHOREWOOD COUNCIL CHAMBERS
PARK COMMISSION MEETING 5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD
TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 13, 1990 7:00 PM
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
Acting Chairman Andrus called the meeting to order at 7:15 p.m.
ROLL CALL
Present: Acting Chairman Andrus, Commissioners Lindstrom, Vogel,
Laberee, and Chairman Christensen (8:08 P.M.); and
Administrative Assistant Niccum. Council Liaison Watten was
in a Council meeting.
Absent: Commissioner Wilson (out of town)
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Dzurak moved, Lindstrom seconded, to approve the minutes of Tuesday,
1990, as written. Motion carried - 4 ayes - l abstain.
BADGER WARNING HOUSE FLOORING
Niccum presented samples of Tuflex II and the rubber tile from Pawling
Corporation. Andrus felt the Commission should recommend the Tuflex II
as the cost was lower, and it had been recommended by someone that had
used it for 10 years and was satisfied with it. The other 4
Commissioners present said that, although the Tuflex was less
expensive, they thought Pawlings product would be better because its
thicker, it hooks together without gluing, if it started to wear, not
only is it reversible, but the tiles could be moved from the high
traffic areas and exchanged with those in low traffic areas.
Andrus asked Niccum to check with the Pawling Representative to see
where, in this area, it is being used, and how it is holding up.
Laberee moved, Christensen seconded, to recommend to the Council that
they approve the purchase of the Pawling product (seconds) for use in
the Badger warming house. Motion carried - 5 ayes - 1 nay (Andrus).
"BOOTS" GAMES ON SKATING RINKS
Todd Latterner, Niccum's Assistant on rinks, said that "Boots" games
are becoming more and more popular. One of the Commissioners
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asked Latterner how popular? He said there are slightly more "Boots"
players than skaters. The Commission asked if they needed boards to
play "Boots"? Latterner said yes. Latterner also said the "Boots"
players usually use 1/2 of the rink and turn the nets the other way. He
wanted to know who to give priority to.
The Commission discussed several ideas:
Put a rink on the ice at Crescent Beach
Let majority present play for a limit of 45 minutes
Let skaters and "Boots" players alternate odd/even days
Put a portable rink on Manor Pond for "Boots"
Build 1/2 a rink on the east side of the existing Badger hockey rink,
between the rink and the football field
The Commission asked Niccum to talk to Public Works Director Zdrazil
about the suggestions, and see what he recommends. They also asked
Niccum to check with other cities to see what they do.
SNOWMOBILE ORDINANCE
Present:
Mr. John Arnst ..................Resident
Mr. Mike Ellis ..................President of Shorewood Snowmobile
Club
Mrs. Cindy Ellis.................Shorewood Snowmobile Club
Mr. Bill Kullberg................President of Minnesota United
Snowmobile Assn.
Mr. Doug Swanson.................President of Southwest Trail
Assn.
OPERATION, GENERALLY:
802.03: Except as otherwise specifically
permitted and authorized, it is unlawful for any person
to operate a snowmobile within the limits of the City:
Subd. 1. On a public sidewalk or walkway provided or used for
pedestrian travel, or on boulevards within any public right-of-way.
Mr. Arnst referred to Subd. 1, above, stating that this makes using the
"Hiking and Biking Trail" for snowmobiles illegal.
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The Commission called Mr. Arnst's attention to the paragraph above
except ar otherwise specifically permitted and
Subd. 1, where it states
authorized.
They said that the snowmobiles have been specifically
permitted, that it has been used as an official snowmobile trail for
years.
Arnst said he had followed the action on horses being allowed on the
trail.
Laberee said his main concern is safety.
Ellis said people generally keep right, and most snowmobilers are
responsible people. He reminded the Commission that there are walking
trails in the park that can also be used by walkers.
Kullberg asked what the status was of the Cross Country Ski loop? He
said the club had offered to groom it but some additional work had to
be done. He also presented some information on the "National
Recreational Trails Fund Act of 1990", a bill presented to the
Congress. He said that if the trail stays multiuse, the City can apply
for funds. He said the trail is a vital link to Carver Park, and also
the the new proposed park. The information presented by Kullberg will
be sent to Park Planner Koegler for review, to see if it would benefit
the City in any way.
Lindstrom said the trail provides access to Lake Minnetonka.
Laberee told those present that the Park Commission is an advisory
group to the Council, and the Council does not always agree with them,
or carry out their recommendations.
The Commission discussed the Luce Line, and how snowmobiles and other
activities co-exist on that trail. However, it appears that there are
two different levels, one for motorized vehicles. A Commissioner asked
Swanson how wide the groomer is? He said the trail is approximately 10'
wide, the groomer is 8' wide.
Kullberg said he felt that if snowmobiling was outlawed on the trail,
the City would have a much larger problem that it has now, because then
people, knowing they are breaking the law, would really speed through.
Arnst disagreed, and said he had a real problem with that statement -
he asked Laberee if he didn't agree. Laberee said no, he didn't agree,
he felt Kullberg was right.
Arnst said he had been out warning people, he stopped a 3-wheeler and a
mini-bike. Dzurak said he would like to know what Arnst's main problem
is...what does he want? Arnst said safety.
Andrus said the Park Commission recommendation would not affect the
Council decision. Christensen said it is up to the Park Commission to
make a strong recommendation.
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Ellis said the Shorewood Snowmobile Club will be giving safety classes
that are supported by the DNR.
Ellis also told Arnst that he lives right on the trail, that he had
measured the distance from his lot to the trail, and the distance from
Arnst's lot to the trail, he is closer to the trail, and does not have
the constant problems with noise, speed, etc. that Arnst has. He told
Arnst he is also a taxpayer, not a minority group, and feels he
deserves the same consideration that he (Arnst) does. Ellis also
mentioned that a resident of Shorewood Oak's son had been the one
riding a snowmobile in the park, unaware that it was against the law,
until the police informed him.
Christensen and Vogel told Arnst that they have spent over 100 hours
debating the snowmobile Ordinance, that it had been approved by the
City Attorney, and that they had to consider the needs of all the
residents of the City.
Vogel moved, Laberee seconded, to recommend to the Council that they
seriously consider the following states at:
The Park Commission has spent numerous hours reviewing and discussing
the snowmobile Ordinance. They reaffirm their belief in the Ordinance.
They ask the Council to take into consideration the police report, and
what it actually shows regarding the trail; the fact that it in
important for a City to have multiuse trails to provide recreational
needs for as many residents an possible; and the popularity of the Luce
Line as a multiuse trail. The Park Commission feels it is one of the
duties of the Commission to see that the trails are used safely, and
that everyone has a chance to use them.
Motion carried - 6 ayes.
NEWSLETTER ARTICLE
Niccum will send Vogel's article to the rest of the Commission to see
if they wish to add further information.
MARKING TRAILS - SHOREWOOD OAKS/FREEMAN PARK AND SILVERWOOD
PARK/HIGHWAY #7
The Commission asked that letters be sent to all residents on the
trails informing them that it is City trail easement and will be
developed as such some time in the future.
They also asked that Niccum contact Park Planner Koegler regarding
other dedicated trail property not in use at this time.
They dicussed different ways of marking the trail.
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PARK DEDICATION FEE RECOMMENDATION
Andrus moved, Dzurak seconded, to recommend to Council that Park
Dedication Fees not be restricted to areas, but be allocated on the
basis of greatest need. Motion carried - 6/0.
SIGNS FOR FREEMAN PARK FIELDS
The Park Commission, after much discussion, wants signs for all six
fields. Starting at Hwy #7 and moving north, they would be as follows:
#1 Old Little League Field Number only
#2 Babe Ruth Field Number only
#3 New Little League Field Number only
#4 South new field Number and Lindstrom Field
#5 West new field Number and Keeler Field
#6 North new field Number and Kelly Field
Number signs separate from field name signs.
Field name signs all same size with name centered in middle.
Size--approximately 8' x 25'.
Niccum will talk to Public Works Director Zdrazil.
FREEMAN PARK PUMPHOUSE-NORTH END
Christensen moved, Dsurak seconded, to recommend to Council that the
plans be approved as submitted. Motion carried - 6/0.
BADGER WARMING H0USE REPAIR STATUS
The Commission would like to know the status.
ADJOURNMENT
Laberee moved, Dzurak seconded, to adjourn the Park Commission meeting
of Tuesday, November 13, 1990, at 10:00 PM. Motion carried - 6/0.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Sue Niccum
Parks Administrative Assistant
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED
Susan A. Niccum
Park Administrative Assistant