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031092 PK MINCITY OF SHOREWOOD PARK COMMISSION MEETING TUESDAY, MARCH 10, 1992 M I N U T E S CALL TO ORDER COUNCIL CHAMBERS 5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD 7:00 PM Chairman Wilson called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. i_Lla�2&1`0a Present: Chairman Wilson, Commissioners Lindstrom, Laberee, Dzurak, Mast and McCarty; Park Secretary Niccum; Council Liaison Lewis and Administrator Hurm Absent: Commissioner Andrus - out of town APPROVAL OF MINUTES - TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 25, 1992 Laberee moved, Lindstrom seconded, to approve the minutes of Tuesday, February 11, 1991, as corrected. Motion carried - 5 ayes - 1 abstain (Mast) REVIEW TRAIL PLAN IN PREPARATION FOR MARCH 24, 1992 PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING Park Planner Chamberlain said he has received the new City map, so the final plan is on the updated map. He said the Old Market Road on- street bike path and the on- street trail from the Shorewood /Chanhassen border up to Sweetwater Curve, and up Sweetwater Curve to Covington Road have been added to the plan. Also on page 11 - top - text - inclusion of maintenance costs. He said maintenance costs would be approximately 50 of the total cost. Lewis asked what the total cost of completing trail plan projects would be. Chamberlain said $303,900 to $462,100, of which 5% would be $15,195 - $23,105. Dzurak mentioned Outlot B in Covington Vine Ridge, saying that the trail plan showed the trail running through Outlot B. and that the City does not have an easement across Outlot B. only Outlot A. Administrator Hurm said the trail plan should be incorporated into the Comprehensive Plan, and that the Park Commission should approach the Council directly for temporary approval. Dzurak also mentioned the Johnson property, saying that when it is developed, the City should ask for an easement from Vine Hill Road west to the Silverwood Park trail. Nielsen and Hurm said if the SHOREWOOD PARK COMMISSION MEETING TUESDAY, MARCH 10, 1992 - Page two Park Commission wants a trail there, it should be put on the map as a "proposed trail ". Lewis asked if the proposed trail would have to go through the wetland area. Nielsen said it could go along the south side on dry land. Chamberlain said it would probably be a nature or woodchip trail and the cost would be a nominal amount. Lindstrom asked about the trail shown on the map that goes through the Boulder Bridge area. Chamberlain said it is a private trail. Nielsen said it is owned by the Association. He said the original intent was for use for horseback riding and walking. Hurm said he and Wilson had gone to the City of Chanhassen and met with staff there. He said there was no longer any possibility of the trail at the south end of Sweetwater Curve creating a merging of the Chanhassen /Shorewood trail system. Chamberlain suggested removing the nature trail and bridge area and leaving the trail onstreet on Sweetwater Curve. Nielsen said a lot relates to the MSA trails. The City is going to look hard at those and some may change due to funding. CONSIDERATION OF UPDATED SILVERWOOD PARK SITE PLAN Dzurak said the plan had been approved in July of 1990. He asked Nielsen what the effect of widening Covington Road would have on the proposed tennis courts for Silverwood Park. He wanted to make sure that it would not affect the grading that is proposed for this year. Nielsen said the Engineer is looking into it, also the wetland boundary, and how to fit the trail in. He said there is discussion regarding putting in sidewalks on Old Market Road and Covington Road. Dzurak asked if the discussion will be done by the time they are ready to begin digging? Nielsen said he thought so, he said the wetland regulations will constrict what can be done. Chamberlain said he has already been over the wetland with the Corps of Army Engineers and that there is enough room for adjustment of a few feet. Chamberlain said the vehicle path from the parking lot to the warming house could be bituminous and wide enough to allow vehicles to reach the warming house, although they would have to go over part of the nature trail. The Park Commission will meet on Monday, April 6, 1992 in the Badger Warming House. This will allow them to ask the Council to approve going out for bids on April 13th, with the bid opening onMay 1. Acceptance of the bid package would be contingent upon the approval of the Park Commission at their meeting the next day. REVIEW PARK AND OPEN SPACE ELEMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN City Planner Nielsen said the City is in the process of updating SHOREWOOD PARK COMMISSION MEETING TUESDAY, MARCH 10, 1992 - Page three the 1980 Comprehensive Plan. He went through the steps of the comprehensive planning process, 1 - 5. He said the Park Commission is actually in step 4, but now what they have to do is to go back and re- evaluate. Nielsen said there are several significant issues to consider, the first is money. In the neighborhood park category, is a park still needed on the west end? One was targeted in the 1980 comp plan, and there is still land open, most of it with a lot of wetland. He mentioned the former Adeline Johnson property, a 20 acre piece that has wetlands and access to Lake Minnetonka. What about mini-parks ... on Galpin Lake? On the Islands? Nielsen pointed out that the park area in the middle of Shady Island is owned by the Association. He said the Commission has to consider what to do about park buildings. He said he is hoping to compile all issues for the joint meeting with the Council, Planning Commission, and Park Commission on March 23. He said as we go along additional issues will come up. Wilson asked how long the planning period is? 5 years? Nielsen said 5 years is good, 10 years is pretty long. Nielsen said funding is really limited, no more LAWCON, no outside sources. He said the only things left are a bond referendum or the general fund. Nielsen asked the Commission to get to him in the next couple of weeks if they have any information to offer on any other aspects on the comp plan. He asked the Commission if they should reconsider buying land? Hurm said the Park Capital Improvement Plan and the Comprehensive Plan must be consistant. Mast said it is nice to have a "wish list ", that the Commission shouldn't just close the door, for instance... what if a donation came along? McCarty said she would think about lake access, not necessarily for boats, more along the line of a beach. CONSIDERATION OF A MODEL NEIGHBORHOOD PARK SHELTER BUILDING DESIGN Hurm said he and Planner Nielsen had met and discussed design. He asked where the estimated figure of $40,000 came from. He said he thought a very basic building could be built for under $25,000. Nielsen discussed the original plan of a 24' by 24' enclosed area with a 24' x 24' pavilion. He said the Commission had previously TUESDAY, MARCH 10, 1992 - Page four stipulated that they wanted the building to be constructed of wood. Staff is asking the Commission to reconsider this stipulation. Staff feels a masonry building is more feasible, it would be more vandal - proof. Nielsen said it might prevent the need to run footings under the entire structure if the warming house and the pavilion were separated. He also said after doing more research he was discovering that indoor bathrooms need constant supervision. The Commission discussed indoor bathrooms vs. satellites. Dzurak asked if handicapped satellites exist. They do. They also debated whether the satellites should be incorporated into the building plan, or placed in a separate screened area. Nielsen said our current zoning ordinance says sewer should go to the building, but this can be changed. Lindstrom said the building existing in the Excelsior Commons is a good example. Laberee said Silverwood, Manor and Cathcart may never need inside plumbing. DISCUSSION OF PARK PLAN C OPTIONS - CATRCART PARK Chairman Jim Wilson and Administrator James C. Hurm met with Don Ashworth, City Manager of the City of Chanhassen, and Todd Hoffman, Chanhassen Park and Rec Department. The Chanhassen staff is going to discuss Cathcart Park with their Park Commission. Hurm will meet with neighbors to inform them of the options the City is considering, and to receive input. FINAL PARK TELEPHONE SURVEY REPORT The Commission was pleased with the survey, they felt it was a well done report and very helpful. PARK REFERENDUM ACTION PLAN CONSIDERATIONS Commissioner Dzurak presented an updated calendar plan. He said if you need volunteers, it takes a long time. He said the plan can be revised as experience is gained. McCarty questioned whether or not the plan allowed for too much lead time. Dzurak said maybe so, but time is needed to acquaint the City Council with the plan, and to convince them of its potentiality. Hurm said the Mayor has names of several people who might be interested. Dzurak said former Commissioners Vogel and Christensen were also interested. TUESDAY, MARCH 10, 1992 - Page five Lewis said the Council would like to see the Park Commission implement a plan to ensure success. Laberee questioned whether a change in Council would affect the referendum. He said he thinks someone with referendum experience should be involved. Lewis reminded the Commission that a consultant will not implement the plan for them. Lindstrom said he felt Koegler was valuable to the City, he has attended the neighbor meetings and worked with referendums before. Laberee thought we should ask Koegler how he could help us. Lindstrom said he would like to meet with the Council and get their opinion. ��U7rtili� :i� l'u � y1� Y 11 Laberee moved, Lindstrom seconded, to adjourn the meeting at 10:10 PM. Motion carried unanimously. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, Susan Niccum Park Secretary