072793 PK MINCITY OF SHOREWOOD
PARK COMMISSION MEETING
TUESDAY, JULY 27, 1993
MINUTES
1. CALL TO ORDER
CONFERENCE ROOM
5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD
7:00 PM
Chairman Dzurak called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
2. ROLL CALL
Present: Chairman Dzurak, Commissioners Andrus, Bensman, Fuller,
Lindstrom, McCarty and Wilson; Council Liaison Benson;
Administrator Hurm; and Park Secretary Niccum
3. REVIEW AGENDA
A report on playground Equipment was added.
4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Wilson moved, McCarty seconded, to approve the minutes of Tuesday, July
13, 1993, as corrected.
• Page two - Paragraph 2 - lines 6 & 8 - washed sand
Page five - Paragraph 3 - last line - change fixed to
minimum.
Motion carried - 5 ayes - 2 abstain ( Bensman and Andrus).
PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT
Hurm announced that the South Shore Softball Association has
donated an additional $2,000 toward the playground equipment.
Hurm also said that Park Planner Bruce Chamberlain wants to order
the playground equipment on Thursday. He informed the Commission
that the sales tax on playground equipment had not been included in
the $20,000 figure per park. This increased the cost of the
equipment in each park by $1,300. Dzurak said if a "Foundation"
had already been in existence, there wouldn't be any tax to pay.
Hurm said the timbers (edging) and sand for the play area would be
paid for out of rock and sand line item of the general fund.
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PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT - Continued
He also said that it would be a possibility to ask the Council to set
aside approximately $6t100 out of CDBG funding in 1994 to pay for the
handicapped surface in the play area, and the path for them to get to
the play area.
The Commission also discussed sand vs. pea gravel for the base around
the playground equipment. Lindstrom wanted pea gravel because a year or
two ago he read that it is safer than sand. He also said he knew of a
child that broke an arm falling on sand. Hurm said the pea gravel is
considerably more expensive. Wilson will contact individuals to see if
they wish to donate sand or pea gravel.
5. DISCUSSION ON FREEMAN PARK FOUNDATION CONCEPT
• Control has to remain with City.
• Motivate organizations to buy into "foundation"
• Park Commission should remain strictly an advisory group
• People that use parks have input
• Community Services should also be involved
• Would it be easier to just charge $10 - $15 per head per year, as
previously mentioned by Gary Dressel?
• What if you had a "foundation" or "non- profit organization"
specifically for improvements?
• What if part of the donation was used for depreciation,
maintenance, and improvements; and part went to a "foundation "?
• Get businesses involved also
• Talk to people first to see if they even like the idea of a
"foundation ", get ideas and opinions.
• What about charging per field per game?
Bensman likes the idea of a foundation and the idea of fees. She also
thinks it would be a good idea to meet with sports groups.
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A "Foundation Task Force" was formed. It consists of:
Park Commissioner Gordon Lindstrom
Park Commissioner Jennifer McCarty
Park Commissioner Liz Fuller
City Administrator Jim Hurm
Park Planner Bruce Chamberlain
Various sports organizations
This task force will try to have information for the Commission by the
middle of August.
6. DISCUSSION ON THE TRANSPORTATION SECTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
Lindstrom said that no matter how the Park Commission feels personally,
it is their job to provide as much recreation as possible for the
residents of Shorewood.
Dan Puzak, President of the South Tonka Snowmobile Club, was present.
Hurm suggested that a "Snowmobile Ordinance Task Force" be formed . He
suggested a brainstorming" session by the Park Commission this evening.
This would give the "Task Force" some direction. They suggested the
"Task Force" consider the following:
• Park policies
• Education
• Parents?
• Where snowmobiles are sold?
• Schools?
• Signs on trail and entering Shorewood on commonly used entry
areas? Puzak said this has been done in other areas, and
within a year, 900 of the snowmobilers followed the rules on
the signs.
• Enforcement
• Police can't catch. Cars can't go where snowmobiles go, can't
afford to put more police on full time just to catch them.
• Can't identify because can't see numbers unless they come to
dead stop.
Work with snowmobile associations to solve problems, because
snowmobiles will come through anyway, and they can't be caught.
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• Noise
• What to do about kids that spend hours going around and
around on private property or lakes.
• Personal safety
• 11:00 pm to 7:00 am time period when the trail, at
present, is only supposed to be used "going to" and
"coming from" home.
• Have a complete curfew, citywide, between 11:00 pm and 7:00
am? Puzak felt 10:00 pm might even be acceptable as a curfew
time.
• Who creating problem?
• People traveling through Shorewood that aren't familiar with
this City's Ordinances
• 19 - 25 year old bar hoppers
• Kids
Puzak said they can get to the adult users, that they are fortunate to
have Bill Kullberg in the area and the gentleman that owns the shop in
Victoria where all the snowmobile repair work is done, and they would
contact the adult users.
• Trespassing... Cutting through parks and private property
• People that don't live in Shorewood don't know the route to
take to get to Lake Minnetonka, or the "Hiking and Biking
Trail ", would better signage help this problem?
• Total banning of snowmobiles
A "Snowmobile Ordinance Task Force" was formed. Members are:
Park Commissioner Liz Fuller
Park Commissioner Jim Wilson
President of South Tonka Snowmobile Club Dan Puzak
Police Chief Rick Young
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7. REPORTS
Vine Hill Road trail request suggestion
Dzurak suggested that Shorewood approach the City of Minnetonka and
ask them if they would consider extending their trail.
Manor Park playground volunteer help
McCarty said she talked to Bob Boyer and he was very excited about
building the playground.
Badger Park Trail
Jim Hurm said that Tree Trust has the trail finished, except for the
bridge, and suggested that the Park Commission take a look at it when
they have time. He was asked about neighborhood reactions. He said he
talked to three people; one thought it was a great idea, one came in to
talk to him and liked the idea, and one was not happy about it.
Marking Trees for removal in Freeman Park
Jim Wilson said the trees for transplanting have not been marked yet.
He will meet with Laberee about marking them.
8. MATTERS FRON THE FLOOR
None.
9. AD JOURNME N T
Lindstrom moved, seconded by McCartyt to adjourn at 9:30 PM. Motion
carried unanimously.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Susan Niccum
Park Secretary