042799 PK MIN
CITY OF SHOREWOOD COUNCIL CHAMBERS
PARK COMMISSION MEETING 5755 COUNTRY CLUB
ROAD
TUESDAY, APRIL 27, 1999 7:30 P.M.
MINUTES
1. CONVENE PARK COMMISSION MEETING
Co-chair Pat Arnst called the meeting to order at 7:43 p.m.
A. Roll Call
Present: Co-chairs, Dallman and Arnst; Commissioners Bensman and Themig; City
Administrator Jim Hurm; Council Liaison Scott Zerby; Planning Director Brad
Nielsen
Absent: Commissioners Colopoulos, Puzak, and Cochran
Also Present: Gordy Lindstrom, Baseball Representative
It was announced that Chuck Cochran has resigned from the Shorewood Park Commission due to
increased family obligations with the death of his mother.
B. Review Agenda
There were no changes to the meeting agenda.
Dallman moved, Themig seconded to approve the Agenda as presented. Motion passed
unanimously.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A. Park Commission Minutes of March 9, 1999
Dallman moved, Themig seconded, to accept the minutes as presented. The motion passed
unanimously.
B. Park Commission Minutes of March 23, 1999
Themig moved, Dallman seconded, to accept the minutes as presented. The motion passed
unanimously.
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3. DISCUSS NOTES FROM APRIL 13, 1999 (QUORUM NOT PRESENT)
Due to lack of a quorum at the April 13, 1999 meeting, there were no official minutes recorded.
However, notes were taken of the conversation at that gathering. There were no questions or
discussion on those notes at this time.
4. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR
Mr. Gordy Lindstrom asked to present a proposal on behalf of South Tonka Little League around
improvements to fields at Freeman Park. Chair Arnst stated that the Park Commission should be
contacted in advance for such a request to allow placement on the agenda. It was agreed to hear
the request under Matters from the Floor.
Mr. Lindstrom presented the following requests on behalf of the Little League:
1. The League has the opportunity to acquire a scoreboard, which they would like to place
for use on the Babe Ruth field. The League will pay for the cost of installation and wiring.
It is to be placed near the field #3 scoreboard.
2. They wish to add another flagpole to display the American Flag near the concession stand.
3. The League would also like to move the storage shed near the concession stand for better
accessibility of equipment.
4. The opening in the fence on field #2 is too narrow for a person to carry equipment to the
field. A post needs to be moved so the opening can be widened.
5. They would like to add two batting cages along side the existing one at field #3.
6. The league proposes a second line of fencing along the east end of field #2 to create a safe
walkway. This is suggested as a possible immediate fix to the pedestrian / traffic problem.
The Little League would cover the cost of all of these projects, with the exception of the fencing
(item #6). Mr. Lindstrom added that the adult softball fields at Freeman are not in use every
evening and the softball association has okayed the use of the fields for Little League practices.
Co-chair Arnst asked that a written memo, detailing these requests, be sent to the absent
Commissioners for their review. The request will be included as part of the May 11, 1999 Park
Commission Agenda.
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5. REPORTS
A. Arbor Day, May 1, 1999 at Manor Park
Administrator Hurm announced that the City will celebrate Arbor Day on May 1 by planting a
tree at Manor Park. All Commissioners and City Council members are invited to attend the 9:00
a.m. gathering.
Other Matters to Report
Hurm added that the Police Department is ready to present their end-of-the-season snowmobile
report and asked if that should go on the May 11 agenda. Arnst asked for clarification of the role
of the Park Commission upon hearing the report. Council member Zerby said the Council would
expect recommendations be made by the Commission, based on the report, if needed. It was
agreed that the report should be presented in June.
Councilmember Zerby explained that a petition was presented during Matters from the Floor at a
City Council meeting which states opposition to a trail loop in the Howards Point Road area.
Forty-two residents signed the petition which was distributed to the Park Commissioners at this
time. It is noted that the four Commissioners present have received the petition. Copies will also
be sent to absent Commissioners.
6. REVIEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS IT RELATES TO PARKS AND TRAILS
Planning Director, Brad Nielsen explained that the proposed revisions to the Community Facilities
Chapter and Transportation Chapter of the Comprehensive Plan, as discussed at the March 23
Park Commission meeting, have been incorporated and presented to the Park Commissioners in a
memo dated April 9. He referenced some specific changes and asked if the document now
reflects the Park Commission recommendations. The final question is if the Trail Planning
Process and its map should be included in the final document.
Commissioner Bensman pointed out that the City Council has approved the trial concept plan and
it should therefore be included for reference. It should be made clear that the segments indicated
on the map are potential sites which are being studied. Themig commented that trails are a
process, not a plan. Nielsen asked about the segment which has been opposed by the majority,
and if a line to indicate a potential trail site should remain there. Arnst explained that it is a
concept map, not a plan and it would be dangerous to imply a guarantee that there will never be a
trail there which would remove possibilities for the future.
Hurm suggested that certain “proposed” trails that have been petitioned against make these trails
more likely in the future.. Bensman said that priorities were set for valid reasons from a variety of
sources and those reasons have not changed. It was agreed that the map should be included in
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the Comprehensive Plan document as a Concept Map and lines should be placed in the center of
roads since exact placement of trail segments are not determined.
Nielsen asked if other changes to the document are okay and went through the revised draft to
review all changes. Arnst asked if there was a policy to consider trails for future street
improvements. Nielsen said yes. Themig said that the last sentence in LU-15, paragraph 3
implies that the City is trying to tell Hennepin County what to do and that we are opposed to light
rail transit. He suggested replacing the statement with a repeat of paragraph 3 on TR-34. All
agreed to the change. Nielsen said that the draft will be subject to neighborhood review and, at
this time, he is asking for a recommendation from the Park Commission.
Themig moved that the Park Commission forward the Comprehensive Plan to the City
Council with changes noted this evening, with inclusion of the trail concept map with all
trails identified uniformly, without preferences. Bensman seconded. The motion passed
4/0.
7.STATUS OF EAGLE CREST DEVELOPMENT / DISCUSS FREEMAN PARK
ROAD AND OTHER RELATED PARK ISSUES
Nielsen stated that at their April 26 meeting, the City Council approved development stage plans
for Shorewood Ponds. Based on recommendations of the Park Commission, there were a number
of things included as conditions. The developer, Eagle Crest Northwest, will provide a trail from
the entrance to Freeman park with an easement or deed to the City. Also, the wetland area to the
north side of the development will be public land. The south entrance to Freeman Park from
Highway 7 will be closed off. The City will continue to work with Mn/DoT and Mr. Osha to find
a workable plan for the entrance to his property on the southwest corner of Freeman Park.
The Planning Commission has recommended that the road between the two parking lots in the
park be closed off for regular use or be paved as soon as possible. Several members of the City
Council had indicated they prefer the staff recommendation of using that segment of road for
pedestrian traffic and emergency access only.
It has been suggested that the developer choose a park-related name for the newly planned road.
There will be a sign on Eureka Road near the entrance of the development that says Freeman Park
so prospective buyers will be well aware that it is also a park entrance. Mark Themig suggested
that the Park Commission may also prepare a friendly welcome to include for prospective buyers.
There was discussion about options for the road and parking area near the south end of the park.
Dallman stated that he preferred to leave the road open for a one-year trial, keeping the entrance
to Osha’s property as is, in order to evaluate the best plan. Themig said it is hard to comment
without the buildings in place. Nielsen said the setback would be 40 feet (2 car lengths). Dallman
pointed out that the homes on the east side of Eureka Road are closer to the street than
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what the new homes would be in distance from the park road. And in the park, traffic should be
moving much slower than on Eureka Road. Themig asked if the loop could be designated a one
way road. Nielsen said it is possible and perhaps the second row of fencing requested by the
Little League would also be a solution. Arnst supports the closing of the road for safety reasons
and to be good neighbors to the new residents. It was agreed to defer a recommendation until
after the Commissioner’s park tour at Freeman.
8. TRAIL PLANNING PROCESS
A. Discuss April 10, Smithtown Road Trail Walk
Themig suggested that a comment be added to include Chris Lizée’s support of a trail along the
south side of Smithtown. Hurm said the video will hopefully be available this week. The intent is
to discuss further details as this relates to the Capital Improvement Program at the next meeting
when cost estimates will be available for consideration. Arnst asked if other funding options have
been explored. Hurm said that once trail priorities are determined, Mark Koegler could be asked
to look into other funding sources. It’s already too late for the 1999 trail grant cycle.
Arnst said that we need to know more about funding opportunities. Themig reported that he
spoke with planners about trail development in Ramsey County. ISTEA money has many
restrictions tied to it and therefore is not used for trails. They do use grant in aid programs and
DNR grants.
Engineer Brown will report on cost estimates at the next meeting and staff will report about
funding sources. Themig said he would like to see that the whole trail process be kept active
while the two preferred segments are explored. Hurm will prepare a schedule. Arnst asked for an
update at the next Park Commission meeting from Engineer Brown on funding for a trail along
Mill Street (a County Road), Vine Hill Road, and Old Market Road. She would also like to hear
an update on talks with Greenwood about St. Albans Bay Road.
B. Discuss April 20, Vine Hill / Covington Trail Walk
Themig stated that there is support for both of these segments and things should proceed with the
next step of getting cost estimates while keeping other potential trail ideas on the table. No action
is needed at this point. Videos of the two walks will be available for individual review. It was
agreed to proceed with both segments. Hurm pointed out that the limiting factor will be money.
One idea is to talk to the City Council about using street funds where safety is an issue.
Zerby reported that there is an opportunity to re-do Eureka Road when water is brought through
there. The City will meet with residents to get opinions. This may involve running water through
part of Freeman Park. Arnst asked if a sidewalk may be a part of the discussion. Zerby agreed
that it is a good point to include as all options should be considered when a road is redone. He
will carry that comment to the City Council.
9. OTHER BUSINESS
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Themig asked about the status of the multi-purpose building for Freeman Park. Hurm said it is
being worked on. One question to answer is how the developer of Shorewood Ponds may help
with that. (They have said they will help in some way.)
10. NEW BUSINESS
Hurm noted that Chuck Cochran was to report to Council for the month of May and asked for
replacements. Themig will cover May 10.
Arnst asked what is being done about Cochran’s resignation. Press releases are being prepared.
Establish Meeting and Tour Schedule
May 25: 6:00 Tour Freeman, Cathcart, Crescent Beach and Badger Park. The work
session on park policies will be delayed until the following meeting. (Bensman will be absent.)
June 8: 6:00 - Tour Silverwood, Manor and Christmas Lake . 7:30 - Discuss park policy.
11. ADJOURNMENT
Themig moved, Dallman seconded to adjourn the meeting. Motion passed 4/0. The meeting
adjourned at 9:30 p.m.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED
Connie Bastyr
Recording Secretary