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CITY OF SHOREWOOD 5735 COUNTRY CLUB RD
PARK COMMISSION MEETING SOUTHSHORE COMMUNITY CENTER
TUESDAY, OCTOBER 14, 2008 7:00 P.M.
MINUTES
1.CONVENE PARK COMMISSION MEETING
Acting Chair Norman convened the Meeting at 7:03 p.m.
A. Roll Call
Present: Late arrival Chair Davis; Commissioners Norman, Young, Quinlan,
Hensley, and DeMers; City Engineer Landini; and City Council liaison
Wellens
Absent: Commissioner Trent
B. Review Agenda
Landini added Grants to New Business; Reports Items A1, City owned property next to City
Hall: A2, Tennis Court Reservation process.
Young moved, Norman seconded, approving the Agenda as amended. Motion passed
5/0.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A. Park Commission Meeting Minutes of September 16, 2008
Hensley moved, Quinlan seconded, Approving the Minutes of the Park Commission
Meeting of September 16, 2008 as submitted. Motion passed 5/0.
3. REPORTS
A. Report on City Council Meeting of September 22 and October 13,
2008
Landini reported that the LMCC gave their annual report, in addition, many planning items
were discussed, and new park dedication fees will be obtained for a development off
Suburban Drive. An award was also granted for painting the water tower off of County
Road 7.
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At the October 13 Meeting, the City Council voted to appeal the upper Minnetonka
Yacht Club decision and the Minnewashta Elementary school parking lot conditional use
permit extension was approved.
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Landini noted that there was also discussion regarding the proposed fees for the tennis
courts, during which time the Council questioned the necessity for fees. Council member
Wellens stated that Council would like more definition regarding public versus private use.
Norman stated that, it is his understanding presently, that the general public can reserve
tennis courts at no fee, but the organized use or for profit use, as referred to in the priority
policy, is fee based. While there isn’t specific language in the policy with regard to
percentages of use for public versus private, he believed this should be more clearly
defined for situations such as the one proposed by Mr. Carlson from Wayzata Country
Club.
Chair Davis arrived at 7:15pm.
Hensley suggested Carlson present his ideas and draft proposal to the Council at their next
meeting in order for them to get a clear understanding of what is being considered.
Landini stated that the golf course received approval for the removal of more deer at the
Council Meeting as well.
Chair Davis questioned the boundaries for bow hunting and suggested the hunters be
clothed in blaze orange.
Landini indicated that he would check in with Planning Director Nielsen and relay her
questions and suggestions to him.
1. CITY OWNED HOUSE TO THE REAR OF CITY HALL
Landini stated that Council will be discussing the future of the property to the rear of the
City Hall building and was uncertain whether the Commission would like to retain the
property for use as a tot lot if the tennis courts are expanded or for parking.
Norman commented that, at half an acre and to the rear, there is a lack of continuity to the
rest of the park.
Hensley asked whether there would be access from the current parking lot, stating that
there may be alternate properties throughout Shorewood which could be purchased that
might be better suited for a tot lot than this. If the property could be sold and the funds
put towards space for a tot lot where one is lacking, this might be a better use of money
and space.
Chair Davis agreed, but submitted the idea for additional parking.
Landini stated that the land could potentially be used as staff parking.
2.TENNIS COURTS
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Norman asked what type of policy they should consider for tennis courts.
Landini stated that if Carlson and a representative of the Commission attends the next
Council meeting with an explanation of their proposal, this might more clearly define the
parameters for a tennis court policy that could be enacted with Council input.
B. Update on Arctic Fever
Norman was pleased to report that Cub Foods is on board as a sponsor and that plans are
moving forward. He noted that general fundraising will be a bit more difficult than last
year due to the economy, but noted they are working with Three Rivers Park District and
REI to add more events. In addition, Norman pointed out that a Pond hockey tournament
may be added to the festival on Excelsior Bay.
Chair Davis interjected that the day of Arctic Fever is also Hockey Day in Minnesota.
Norman stated that he would be meeting with the representatives for the Pond Hockey
tournament this week and that they have stated that Fox Sports has agreed to run 20-30
spots per week promoting the tournament, which in conjunction with Arctic Fever could
be a huge promotion for the overall event.
C. Update On Badger Rink Lights
Landini stated the poles are up and should be wired within the next couple of weeks.
4. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR
There were none.
5. VETERANS DAY HOLIDAY, NOVEMBER 11 - NEED TO DETERMINE
DATE FOR NOVEMBER PARK COMMISSION MEETING
November 18, 2008, was chosen for the alternate date.
6. APPOINT NEW CHAIR FOR REMAINDER OF 2008
Due to conflicts, Landini explained that Chair Davis had asked to step down as Chair for
2008.
Quinlan moved, Hensley seconded, appointing Norman as the Chair for the Park
Commission for the remainder of 2008. Motion passed 6/0.
7. REVIEW CHANGES TO THE RFP FOR CONSULTANT SERVICES
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Chair Davis presented the draft RFP for the Commission’s consideration. Though well
written, she acknowledged that the RFP still does not mention the need to develop a
prototype template for our parks and buildings.
Norman suggested that within item two the verbiage be expanded to call out this need.
Chair Davis stated that she’d also like to see a request for their work, samples of
Consultants work, or ideas they would present. In addition, she did not feel there was a
need to state the amount of money the City has to spend up front in the RFP.
Landini agreed that, typically, they don’t send out a price when they send items out for
bid, for instance, when they send out bids for lighting they do not put a price on it but ask
for prices for the work proposed.
Norman asked whether they should post a not exceed limit within the RFP.
Wellens questioned why, with the parks already mostly built out, the Commission is asking
for a design plan now.
Chair Davis stated that what they want is a design template for buildings and shelters.
Wellens asked why they must all be the same in the first place. He suggested the
Commission merely look at some web pages of shelters and find some they like.
Chair Davis stated that the Commission would like some continuity in the parks. She
pointed out that, at minimal cost, the City could have sent her to the National Association
of Parks and Recreation forum happening right now at which she could have brought back
ideas for the Commission, but the City refused to send her.
Landini acknowledged that there is nothing in the budget to allow someone to attend a
conference.
Hensley stated that there would be more to it than building shelters, including design
elements, restrooms, signage, etc. to be incorporated into the parks.
In recognition of the highest and best use, Norman acknowledged that they are lacking in
amenities for seniors; a contractor may make additional suggestions they are not aware of.
One suggestion could be to provide a scope of services and ask a contractor what could
be provided for roughly $20,000.
Chair Davis felt the RFP was still too general.
Norman and Chair Davis reiterated that the RFP must be made more specific. The RFP
should ask Consultants to identify significant gaps, review infrastructure, ask for specific
ideas and additions to the parks via a design template, a 20 year vision, and address
amenities that are lacking.
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Quinlan suggested that each person share their plans with Josh Trent within a specific time
frame, say in the next week, in order to get the revisions made and gain approval at the
next meeting.
Hensley summarized that it sounds as if they should basically phrase the RFP as if the City
is looking for their best bid and their freshest ideas within this scope of services.
Landini questioned, with the holidays approaching, the timing of the RFP and suggested
they pre-advertise the bid process to begin work in 2009.
Norman volunteered to write a memo to attach to the RFP explaining to the Council what
it is the Commission is trying to do with the RFP and accomplish within the parks.
Though the Commission believed Trent was on track with the document, the Commission
agreed to have their detailed changes to him within the next day or so in order to have a
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document on hand for approval at the November 18 meeting since timing was of the
essence.
8. MANOR PARK BENCH
Landini stated that the Southshore Gardeners requested that they be allowed to install a
bench at the North End of Manor Park using funds from the Shirley Rice Fund similar to
the bench recently installed at Gideon Glen.
Chair Davis questioned why the gardeners wouldn’t want a similar bench to the one at
Manor Park currently near the memorial garden. She suggested they wait until they have a
template from the consultant before moving forward with the approval.
Hensley interjected that the eagle scouts are currently looking for additional projects and
questioned whether this could potentially be something they participate in, as opposed to
having Public Works perform the installation.
Norman suggested staff send the gardeners a memo thanking them for their idea which the
Commission will revisit in February while it undertakes the design planning process it has
begun at this time..
9. PREPARE ADDITIONS TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN
The item was tabled until the RFP is complete.
10. DETERMINE LIAISON FOR CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON OCTOBER
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Norman volunteered to act as liaison at the next meeting.
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11. NEW BUSINESS
Landini reported that the City is applying for two grants. The first, the Cynthia Krieg
grant, through the MCWD (Minnehaha Creek Watershed District), would award $5000-
6000 to fund the installation of a small rain garden at Freeman Park to catch runoff from
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Eddy Station. Due October 27, staff will be providing a 100-200 sf sketch to submit for
the grant which would include 3 years of maintenance as well.
Hensley moved, Chair Davis seconded, to authorize staff to apply for the grant for
the rain garden at Eddy Station Motion passed 6/0.
The second grant, Safe Routes to School (SRTS) created by the Federal Surface
Transportation Act is also due directly after the next Commission meeting. Landini stated
that this grant could be used to initiate safe routes to school along Smithtown and/or
County Road 19.
Hensley stated that this grant would be a good tie in with the new proposed trail along
County Road 19 with a portion of it running down Smithtown Road to the school.
Chair Davis moved to authorize staff to move forward applying for the SRTS grant.
Chair Davis withdrew her motion. The Commission asked staff to develop an application
which could be reviewed at the next meeting and submitted before the deadline. She
suggested the proposal be emailed to the Commissioners for comment in order to facilitate
the process as soon as possible.
Wellens urged the Commissioners to view the large rain garden installed near Victoria
where the tennis courts once were. He commented that it is beautiful and provides
residents with directions on planting their own rain gardens.
12. ADJOURN
Chair Davis moved, Norman seconded, adjourning the Park Commission Meeting of
October 14, 2008, at 8:27p.m. Motion passed 6/0.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Kristi B. Anderson
Recorder