1968 pl mn
January 17. 1968
__ MINUTES OF MEETING OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION.
The meeting was called to order by the Chairman. Richard
Bartholow. Members present were Jack Cooper. Don Erivkson.
and Grace Madsen.
Agenda Item 1:
Henry Ryan, one of the principles of the Rymarland Day Camp
project, appeared before the Commission and asked to be put
on the agenda for February. At the February meeting they plan
to present more information on their proposed project. Espec-
ially in the areas of sewage. compliance with ordinances of
the village, financial ability, and the policing of such an
enterprise. Dick Bartholow told of meeting with the men in-
vol ved in the.Rymarland Camp proposal. He said he pointed out
to them the o~jections that were voiced at our previous meet-
ing. He also told them that if they felt these objections
could be overcome they were free to appear before the Planning
Commission again with more information. He also pointed out
that they would have to have a public hearing.
Agenda Item 2:
Don Kral (474-4356), Mr. Black (224-4303), Mr. Richard Reid
..( 333-2445), e,nd Adolphson-Peterson Builders are joint .owners
. of property which lies partly in Shorewood (3 acres) and
partly in Excelsior (approx. 4 acres). Legal description -
S l Section 35, T 117, Range 23 - Lot 104, Aud. Subdiv. 120 -
Govt. Lot 1. The gentlemen appeared before the Planning
Commission to request a change in zoning of the Shorewood
portion of the property from residential to multi-dwelling.
The Excelsior portion of the property f.,onting on 3rd Ave. is
zoned multi-family. It is their desire to erect a 200 unit
apartment building with 76 of the units to be on the Shore-
wood portion of the property. Water and Sewer arrangements
would be made with Excelsior. The Shorewood portion of the
property in question has no access at present. The gentle-
men requesting the re-zoning pointed out that the general
personality of the area is multiple dwelling. The Planning
Commission did not feel prepared to make a recommendation
at this point, and asked the men to return in February.
Agenda Item 3:
Henry Knoblach, his Father, and his Architect, Dick Vosejpka.
came b~~~F@ the Planning Commission with plans for a Car Wash
at the junction of Water Street and Highway 7. Mr. Knoblach
has an option on lots 10, II, 12 and 13 in the Galpin Hill
addition, and proposes putting in a completely automated oper-
ation which would be open only during daylight hours. He
_.WOUld also like to sell gasolin~. Dick Bartholow asked the
Village attorney if this would require re-zoning or a Speoial
Use permit. Mr. Kelly replied that it~ould have to be re-z~d.
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Mr. Kelly also informed the Commission and the Knoblaohs that
a change in access to Excelsior in this area is a pOSSibility.
A Planners report to Excelsior suggests a bridge and ,ramps a.t
this location. No action was taken as the Planning \;ommission
did not want to make a commitment until the future of this
property is settled.
Agenda Item 4:
Mr. Harold Setnan appeared before the ~ommission to request
a Special Use permit. Mr. Setnan owns a home and 7 acres of
land on Suburban Drive in Minnetonka Manor, and wishes to add
on to his house and convert the upstairs into an apartment.
Mr. Setnan brought along a sketch of the finished project and
photographs of the present house and site. He plans to put
in a separate septic system for the apartment. Grace Madsen
moved that his request receive favorable consideration by the
Council. Jack Cooper seconded the motion. Voting yes -
Bartholow, Cooper and Madsen. Voting no - Erickson.
Agenda Item 5:
Mr. Gene Aske of Yellowstone Trail appeared before the
Commission with a request to divide his property. His prop-
erty lies on the North side of Yellowstone Trail - Illd. Subdiv.
135, lot 171, S i Section 34, D l17-R 23. He owns 8 acres and
would like to sell 3 acres as another home site. His plans
. . were to share the driveway. The Planning Commission suggested
that Mr. Aske investigate the pOSSibility of access to a pub-
lic road for the 3 acres. No action was taken based on the
Councils' consideration of a polic~ making decision.
The meeting was then adjourned.
Respectfully submitted,
Grace Madsen, Secretary
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Added to minutes of January, 1968 meeting at the request of
the Chairman.
There Was a discussion on projected plans for street maumbering.
This mat~er will betaken up at a meeting in the Chairman's
home in I'ebruary. At this time a committee will be set up for
pursuing the .umbering of streets on a local level, or in con-
junction with villages in the immediate vicinity - or on a
larger scale.
At this meeting sewer plans will also be discussed with the
road committee and the vi~llage engineer.
Discussion on the advisability of two meetings a month will
also be brought up at this meeting.
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February 21, 1968
r:(INUTES OF SHeH.WOOD PLANNING COFIFTSSION r...EETING.
The meeting was called to order by Chairman, Dick B~ho1ow.
at N1inneW&lht& 8qho01 at 7: 30 p.m.. Members pre sent were
Jack Coo,per. Don Erickson and Grace lv1adsen..
The first item on the agenda was the Apartment project which
had first come before the ,CO,mmissionin January. Mr., Ri, chard
Reid, Mr. Charles Black. liT. Don Kral and F~.Cooperman. The
architect, appeared before the Comm1ssionto bear its' recomm-
endation.. They bad come in January \dth a request to have
Shorewood rezone the property from residential to multi-
dwelling. ~1r. Reid Said that as they read the Shorewood
Ordinance it would allow 113 units on the Shorewood portion
of the property. They propose to build 229 units with 124-
in ~celeior and 105 in ~ho~ood. These units would be
50% one bedroom units and .50% two bedroom unite. The proj.~
would be built in stages. He also said that Excel $1 or has
agreed to Water and Sewer hook up.
Mr. Kelly, the villase attorney, ! then ros, e and sail t, hat
Shorewood will not consider ant special Use Pennit until the
se\\Ter hook-up is settled with .l!.xcelsior. He said that
Excelsior is expanding its' sewer facilities and that Shore.
wood will get some serVicEh
There followed a discussion of the sewer hook-up and whether
i t~":ould be justifiable to give the service Shorewood Blight
receive to an apartment project. The roadsituat.ion was also
discussed as was the tax potential. The consensus of'the
Planning Commission was that it (lould not consider an apart-
ment project at this time. I'<'Ir. Reid than asked what use
they could make of their land. Iv1r. Kral asked whether a
park, golf course! swiuing pool or garages might bepos.1ble
uses. 1-1r. Bartho ow invited them to come back when they
had a usable plan for the Shorewood portion of the property.
He also commented that tax relief was not really a question
for Slore_oct., ,
The second agenda item wae RymarlandCamp. Mr. HennesseY
gave a review of the Camp project which first came betona
the Planning Commission in September. The property ia,the
171/2 acre Banker tract along Vine. Hill a_d. l-u-. Jerrry
~inson of Rymarland Camps Inc. acted as spokesman, for' the
three partners. He presented the following additional in-
formation.
1. Sewer.. system designed by Soil Kngineering se.rnces Inc.
working in conju~ction with the State Health Department.
The system was designed to la.~ 20 years and. a ",port
wal submitted to the Chairman and to the Village engineer,
rif.r. r/dt1;elsteadt.
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2. Finances - Havecont,acted the Small Business A~'Sn.1.~~'ti0n
for ,8. loan. Have also incorporated and plan ,'.o,ie,slJ...toCk.
3. Police Pt'oblems ... the partners met with llfr. J~. .<lout-
lined to him their proposed operation. ,~ir.Jame8 did not
think there would be, problema with the kind of supemtled
projett propo$ed.
4.. Zoning - ordinanCe$ are a problem. ,fvlr.ri'ltU"tinaonpolnted
out that the ordinances do allow a sch1)ol in reaidential
areaa., I.ir. Kelly ruled out the possibility of calliQgit
a .ohool. lVJr.. Bartholow pointed out that a Special UM
Permit presents many difficulties. It was dec1ded.to<taUe
action on this item. until after the rest of: the agenda
h",d been completed.
The thirdi..m on the Agenda was Oolonel Johnston with a <request
to sell property he OWllS for three r'esidences. Ihe pro""',. in
question le8.1 acres on the pond along highway 7 and bordering
on Radisson Inn Road., 4.2 acres 1s land,tbbe rest extendin$,into
t,he water. He was adrtsed to have a topographic.al surveymade.
and to have the land platted by a surveyor., Thereehould then
be no objection to offering thUe-lots for-.a!e it they c()n-
form to si.. regUlations.
The final agenda item was the int;r'oducti on of V!1'".. Jim, Hawk a
from~1idwestPlanner. t by IJ';r. Kelly,. Some of the thinge dia-
cussed were I li.Whatcan be expected from a Planner
2. 'Wha~ kinds of information he needstroIJ the
village.
3.. What kiX1ds of goals to set and how to arrive
at them.
4:.. Philosophy of Planning,.
1-Jr. Hawks stated thatVddwest Planners poliCY was to discourage
inteneitieddevelopment until sewer problems are solved_
~cau8e of the late hour the meeting, wa. then adjourned.
fill'". , Bartholow was going to get the Village engineers opinion
on the proppsed Rymar1and Camp sewage disposal ayst_. aM
then poll the planning commission members for their recemmend-J
ation on the Camp.
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FebrUary 26, 1968
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Mr. Bartholow talked with the.' Village ~Engineer. ~ .'. .
steadt, and got ht$' opinion art the proposed .ewerr
land Camps. ll-'1r..Mittelsteadt ver1:fied the .~ ..'
State Board of Health. He said tihat . the . sys1:emdes
the, ~mp' by Soil Phigineering Service... 'Inc.. could, ,
for !O years on tibe basis of being- '~.ed ,'8Utlb. a: .m~j, .'
the yea~. The- $'ys-tiem' was predica'tecF on Useiby 200_:;;
could be enlarged to service 300,to J,A'..r.. rtd:~.te,l,.~.ea<l.__
satisfied that the' ,Syst.~m des:1.gned-wouldbe ad.q~
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BaSed on th& ,above report. and t,bef~l1~gpOll\t'I""
Planning Comm1ss1en or; ShorewQod re,~rid", tl'le
land project go ahead.. The Planning' Coimrdssian
to see the Counc'il do whatever is nec"Euls,X7 ~. ma,
ject possible.
1. Favorable Sewer'report. Jj.t
2. Would add cul~urally t.o comm~ity. '
.3. 1 Camp would :!lot. be off,nsive to th.' vail .
4. Objections to Camp did ho~ hay~ ~'Uill {n~;fi~
5. Preserve Open Spaoe s -;' a, 'camp wp\ll1i' hel.fJ~$~
objective of a somewhat rural'an~ d!>eh'atma
6. Sat1s1'ied()n)q~~tionof ,sufficient financi
V01;~ yes - Dick Bartholow, ])on "~k~ .arit\ ~
Voting nQ - Jack .Gboper ',',:A~';',: ", , .
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The Meting: ,of t-heShorewood Pl;anning ,t)~.i..si~..},~S ca1~l.d;;;~'>i:'>'
to order at 7:30 'pm-by. Jack Co~per, who'.fts.'chwfngthe., :':.';::
meeting in the abs.n.ee.of Di"e-kBartlaolow. .frtnien"..e~:,':;';' >'i,':
Don Erickson ,Dr.>'I:ieavenworth, B(?b Si.g~.r an.d'':(JJfa... :Mad's,e~'
and new member Russ Lindquist. The _e.t1ag~"_slte,1d. at '\ '
Minnewashta School.
Agenda Item 1:
Jim. Dutcher and Lyle Thompson ,appearedbefcre ~e
with a rou;gh' drawing" of .', proposed,' suDd*viaion:'()f
imately'8, 1/3 acres~ The prope1:'ty is located ,oal
Road and Strawberry~eaeross .'from th.'.;l4inaeWash1;a.
The drawipg: showed e'i.ght lots: ,f varyinc ,aile f~om J"O'!", ..
to 36,250 square fee.tall tronti.ng on.,a:pllblie .~~4.aD:" '
leaving a back" corner unu.sed. ' , ,,~., ,c .,'
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The Planning Co&1~si,on recommended that :he re~wQrk '~.pla~,<" >
to make 40,000 'squarefp,ot lotsa8 stated in 'our..orcl'in.l1$?.EI.,..;:::.:.ir';c:.;,
The Planning Commission' f'elt1;ha.:t there .aP.gAt. beet,o.e';, t .,~;;:.,,' .....
ibili~Y.w1th the corner lot a.s ~biYs eee.d'.lio bet.,. J>r" 0 ':;~';':S~i0 > .'
He was J.nvited to come back next month./ama"n: ,'he me~lltu.~k"i:. ":.i',.,
t. ,aequaizrt.bim.selt w11;h the Subdivision, Ordins,.e.titwll1.cb<; ";:,}'.:::' ,.
spell$ out the procedure of subdividing. '" '.'
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Mr. and Mrs. John Wr.ede 'and Dav1dSer1:bner,e8lle'b'.,thi;.
Plannin;Commiaaion'seeking advice . on".s81b:i11.ttie.;t~,: ',. "
developing land. which t.ke Wrede.' Olm.." The 'l>17o~y~tro~,
on Apple Road and consists of almost.. ~"ia.res tDu'tthf.fhaok ,
port-ion does not haTe access to a pub 1 "Q~4.. ~~'1"" . r~,
about the poes,~il1ty of building tOUI!" , X;e}$ ." . 3';
couraged.' troILthi.. The Planning Collll.issl0r{ t -..t
double dwelling, are possible under our ordinance, bu~. r: .
a Special ,Usehrmit. The need for a :t<ll d r~'~O' 't '
back par.t of the property wasJ~lso d~scuss,,~:."~::,:'/ ,i
Betel" e' a4j ournment the members:: pr8aentd1sus.e4''.t<o'' " c;"",
, of procedure and our effectiveness' as an. ad.vi.~~,~v,~_f;'the), .
Council. Two areas of consensus w.r.'re~chetl.',,,,,"."~' "';;') j'; ;.~~~".:;,d, .
1. We feel t-he:lIeed" to~ so~e ~oJAprehen,l~Yil.;~f;~: ~ "~ ;~"i'ff';.J;~. :'
Sinee, ~he :Planning 6'Emm1J.SS:lQB, would h.fHIte o.a<<91)1':"""')';"",
with aily Plt:UU1er engaged, it would liQ~e oppe: <:fd,,:'.:
havini a voioe in deciding whQ 1t 8h9U.li~' 'be". . :;':~,""'..: '
2. In o~der for 1;.he individual mellbers _.eo1.-:1;0:,.'1
cat the pro"l":tie.,n. the Ag.nda before the ~e",'i,.' .....
nee.~S4\ry for the- 4.~da to be in t)u~~r'hand:$',~:_<M'.
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