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1984 pl mn M I NUT E S I I COUNCIL CrAMBERS 5755 COUN'fRY CLUB 7:30 P.M'I I I I ROAD ~ CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TUESDAY, JANUARY 10, 1984 CALL TO ORDER Chairman Benson called the January 10, 1984 Planning order at 7:48 P.M. cammissitn I Meeting to ROLL CALL Present: Commissioners Bruce Benson, Janet Leslie, Frank Reese, Richard Spellman (7:55), Bob Shaw (8:00), Mary Boyd, and tern Watten. Planner Brad Nielsen, Council Liaison Kristi Stovrr, Secretary Bobbie Dybvik. APPROVAL OF MINUTES I Leslie moved, seconded by Bruce Benson, to approve the minuter of December 6, 1983 at the next meeting. . REQUEST FOR SIMPLE DIVISION - Roger Lindholm Approximately ten years ago, Mr. Donald Macklin sold one-thir~ of a three acre parcel, located at 20025 Vine Street, to Mr. Roger Lindh 1m. Mr. Lind- holm has recently had the property surveyed and discovered th t the lot was smaller than an earlier survey had shown. Mr. Macklin has ag eed to give Mr. Lindholm an additional 23 feet from his southerly parcel 0 make Lind- holm's lot the size which was originally agreed upon. An 18 oot easement along the east side of Lindholm's lot provides access to the outherly parcel. Reese moved, seconded by Leslie, to recommend to the Council, approval of ther request for a simple division . Mr. Lindholm was directed to attend the Council meeting, Janu ry 23, 1984. COVINGTON VINE RIDGE - COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT The Public Hearing was closed at the December 6th meeting and recommendations were tabled until further review. Eric Canton and Richard Sathre were present for the request. Mr. Canton stated they had made no changes since the last meeting but were present to address the staff report received in the mail. I Q. Had the developer considered making any changes based or the staff report? A. Canton pointed out how the proposed houses fit on 65' atd 67' lots, with a 10' side yard on each side. I Q. How many lots were less than 10,000 feet? I . A. Possibly 10 lots in the core of block 1 area, (center ates) . Q. Have you considered a secondary access? A. Developer is willing to address. I I Q. Have they looked into water in any more detail? I A. Trying to ascertain how to do that. Need direction fro the Council. Considering cost and feasibility. Hookup to Minnetonka Water seems to be most economical. , ,. f . . . PLANNING COMMISSION - 2 - I I I J~NUARY 10, 1984 Q. If developed, how much increase in traffic? A. Approximately 25% maximum increase. Q. Have they considered a zero lot line concept? A. A zero lot line tends to make the structures more similar to one another. Allowing for variation in architectural design in a tradi ional single family home people can afford, developing the lots with a normal 10' side yard, allowing 20' between houses. Q. Is this a valid P.U.D.? A. The Planner went through a number of items in his report, listing aspects of the project which lend themselves to a Planned Unit De elopment. Watten: Proposed that if approved, the minimum lot size shou d be 10,000 feet (not establishing a precedent that can be used in ot er parts of the city) . Shaw moved, seconded by Boyd, to recommend to the Council this piece of land be increased from 1 to 2 to 2 to 3 for Roll call vote - unanimous the density of lopment. Stover: PARK COMMISSION REPORT Marty ~akel is going to Durham Hall College and has resigned from tHe Park Commission, leaving two vacancies to e filled at thi1 time. i POLICY IPLANNING MEETING I Februa~y 25, 1984 I I 8:30 A.M. Lunch Fi~ance Committee included. be there, POSSiblf making I the Prdfessional It. meEj lng more i Facilitator will productive. Watten moved, seqonded by Benson, to adjourn the meeting at I I 91:05 P.M. R~~ect.ful. 'y sub1itted, 10~ ~AJw-JcJ Roberta DybviZ ~ecretary , . . CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION ~EETING TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 7, '1984 COUNCIL CHAMBERS 5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD 7:30 PM M I NUT E S CALL TO ORDER Acting Chairman Richard Spellman called the February 7, Meeting to order at 7:45 PM. , 1984 Plaring Commission ROLL CALL Present: Commissioners Richard Spellman, Frank Reese, Mary Bo,d, Vern Watten, Janet Leslie; Planner Brad Nielsen; Council Liaisor Kristi Stover and Secretary Sue Niccum. Absent: Commissioners Bruce Benson and Bob Shaw APPROVAL OF MINUTES Reese moved, seconded by Leslie, to approve the minutes of Decem'er 6, 1983 and January 10, 1984 as written. Motion carried unanimously. REQUEST FOR SETBACK VARIANCE/SITE PLAN APPROVAL - RAPID OIL CHANCE (Vine Hill Floral) 19465 State Highway 7 (Ed Flaherty) Mr. Miles Lindberg of B W presented a proposal for Rapid Oil Cha~ge. Parking There is a total of 1 more than adequate. parking spaces to cut didn't want on street into the building. He stated that he and his brother own the i I I I parking spaces for both buildings. Thev feel this is ommissioner Spellman questioned removing two back (south) down on the requested variance. Planner Nielsen said he parking, and that the space was needed t make the turn Mr. Ed Flaherty was als present. corporation and have 18 stores. Existing Building The intent is to leas the whole building, the leasee will dec~de whether to I use as office or reta.l, including whether or not to use apartrent as such. They do plan to apply for a C.U.P. for the apartment use, feel~ng that it is economically advantag ous to keep the apartment as an option. The C.U.P. will be coming before the Planning Commission for a public hea ing. Approximately 23 feet will be removed from the rear (south) of the building, making it 3 feet shor of the setback requirements. Some of the people thlt have shown interest are a photOgraphe~r, doctor and an insurance company. T1ey don't feel that the size of the buil ing will generate any type of business hat wculd cause parking problems. Someday they may remove thi~ building. I I , . . PLANNING COMMIS~ION MINUTES TUESDAY, FEBRUAIY 7, 1984 page two Rapid Oil Change Build'ng This Building will be a simple white stucco with a graphic band around the top. Size of the building is approximately 1500 square feet in area. Hours of operation will be as follows: Monday - Friday Saturday Sunday/Holidays 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM 8:00 AM - 5:00 PM Closed In their stores in town, their peak days are Monday, Friday aId Saturday, hours 10:00 AM - 3:00 PM. They feel that it may be somewhat c ifferent in this area. Management Mr. Flaherty will personally own the land. present to oversee on a day to day basis. periodically visit the business. There will be a s ore manager A regional supervi or would Overall information Signs They agree to conform to the Planner's recommendation. Bi llboard They have talked to the sign company and they intend to keep he billboard there until 1990, after which time it will be removed. (They did offer to move it at their expense but were refused.) (the current leasE runs until 1990) Service Road This is MNDOT jurisdiction. Drainage Planner Nielsen stated Engineer Norton was concerned about th$ drainage, questioning where the water goes from there. This will also te subject to MNDOT approval. I Curbs Engineer Norton said the curbs in the parking lot should be ccncrete. The Engineer should determine whether curbs will be required on t e service road. Landscaping Applicant had no objection to complying with the Planner's recommendation. Traffic Janet Leslie raised a concern about additional traffic at thelVine Hill Intersection. I Planner Nielsen stated that the staff is preparing a traffic ~tudy which would propose a new intersection further west. Vine Hill/Hwyt7 may be partially or totally closed off in the future. He felt this ould not hurt business, perhaps even benefit it. . . . PLANNING COMMIS ION MEETING FEBRUARY 7, 198 page three e Variance/Parking Lot Planner Nielsen said there is about 300 feet between the sout line and the two houses existing on Shady Hills Road, with a lot of vegetation in between. He did talk to one property owner, Harry Feichtinger, who had no objections to the variance. Watten moved, seconded by Leslie, to recommend to Council to approve the variance request and site plan with Planner Nielsen's recommendations, except that the apartment shall be considered as a separate issue subject to a co ditional use permit to be brought back to the Planning Commission for a public hearing. Motion carried unanimously 5-0. DEVELOPMENT STAGE APPROVAL - SHOREWOOD CONDOMINIUMS Cancelled tonight - will possibly be presented at the 21 Februar meeting. REVIEW PROPOSED ZONING MAP Postponed COUNCIL REPORTS Christmas Lake Addition - park charges were deferred due to c anges in tax laws. Lindholm/Macklin subdivision approved. Miller tennis court variance denied. Howards Point Marina - tanks will be moved Covington Vine Ridge - Plan amended to allow up to 2.7 units ADJOURNMENT e jer acre. Watten moved, Reese seconded, to adjourn at 9:00 PM. Motion car ied unanimously. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, Sue Niccum, Secretary e . . . CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 21, 1984 COUNCIL CHAMBERS 5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD 7 : 30 PM M I NUT E S CALL TO ORDER Chairman Benson called the meeting to order at 7:45 PM. ROLL CALL Present: Commissioners Benson, Boyd, Leslie and Reese; Council Liaison Jan Haugen Absent: Commissioners Watten, Shaw and Spellman APPROVAL OF MINUTES Reese moved, Leslie seconded, to approve the February 7 Minutes as written. RECONSIDERATION OF SETBACKS FOR RAPID OIL CHANGE I Mr~ Ed Flaherty of Rapid Oil Change said that the 10% building signage is ac~eptable if a separatE pylon sign would also be allowed. He cited Minnetonka's Ordinan e or signs, 15% of each building face not to exceed 30~ feet total and 1 py on per lot. Eden Prairie, Plymouth and Maplewood were also cited. Ra)id Oil would like 180 square feet - 1 sign for each building plus 1 pylo:l. Heialso indicated th~t 'f the pylon was set back 5', the building would bl<i>ck the sign. Mr~ Flaherty and Planne leaving the setback ~s I i Nielsen discussed raising the sign height and equested. Co~missioner Benson nen ioned the many discussions involved wher the Plan- ing Commission was work'ng on the sign Ordinance. Be$son moved, Boyd for an increase in ancl Leslie aye. I I Reese moved, Leslie setback requested. seco1ded, to recommend that the Council deny the request sign,ge size. Roll Call Vote - Reese-nay, Bcyd, Benson sec(nded, to recommend that the Council deny the variance Rol Call Vote - 4 ayes. REPORTS Council Liaison Haugen informEd the Commission that City Administrator Uhrhammer has resigned. She also reported tha ben rescheduled for A the Policy Meeting scheduled for February 25th has ril 7th, providing that GTS can provide a facilitator, I . . . CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION TUESDAY, MARCH 6, 1984 COUNCIL CAMBERS 5755 COUN RY CLUB ROAD 7:30 PM M I NUT E S CALL TO ORDER Chairman Benson called the meeting to order at 7:45 PM. ROLL CALL Present: Chairman Bruce Benson, Commissioners Mary Boyd, Frank Reese, Vern Watten and Janet Leslie; Planner Brad Nielsen; Acting Council Liaison Jan Haugen; and Secretary Sue Niccum. Absent: Commissioners Bob Shaw and Richard Spellman. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Leslie moved, Boyd seconded, to approve the minutes of February 21 1984, as written. Motion carried unanimously. 7:30 PUBLIC HEARING - RAPID OIL CHANGE - CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. The Rapid Oil Change Hearing opened at 7:46 PM. Mr. Miles Lindberg of BRW started the presentation informing the C that MN DOT has approved and is preparing their permit for access contingent on the following conditions: mmission nd drainage, 1. Traffic Control - 1 stop sign situated at both "in" and "ou " driveways on service road. (2 total). 2. Rapid Oil must extend the existing bituminous curbs across he site where the modification is~taking place. 3. The area within the r.o.w. must be restored with seed or so (According to the applicantMN DOT said the location of the cur s cuts is okay). Mr. Flaherty prefaced his remarks with the statement that their p take the existing building down, and build a larger new building. considerations require them to keep the existin~ building. Also 152 is a bit limiting with regard to the apartment use. He said t income from the apartment during the time the business is getting an was to Financial hat Ordinance ey need the n its feet. The planning COmfission remarked that if the apartment was turned into office space, rental income would still be received. Mr. Flaherty pointed out that the apartment has been in existence for 33 years without any problems. Public portion of the hearing was closed at 8:05PM. Council had continued the "Setback Variance Request" hearing until apartment issue.is resolved. . . . PLANNING COMMIS TUESDAY, MARCH page two ION MEETING , 1984 Mr. Flaherty off red the following suggestions to allow them to ke p it as an open rental unit 1. 2 separate leases - one for office rental and a separate on on the apartment controlled directly by Rapid Oil Change. 2. Annual lease review by Council with immediate revocation if any problems <arise. 3. 7 years (including the c{nditions in 2), at the end of whic time the building will be tOrI down. *Planner Nielsen stated there may be some question as to whether a time limit could be pun on a C.U. ., and suggested checking with Att)rney Larson. He did say he liked the idea of separate leases. Miles Lindberg asked if the prollem could be handled under a "Deve oper's Agreement." Planner felt it mi~ht help. The question of whether or not Planner Nielsen said it would. Watten moved, Leslie seconded, Use Permit for an apartment but No. 152 (caretaker apartment-Ga unanimously by R~ll Call Vote - C.U.P. would carry to a new owner was raised. o recommmend to Council to allow he Conditional only under the conditionscontainej in Ordinance y Minion-Shorewood Nursery). . Moti~n carried Reese, Boyd, Benson, Watten and Le~lie. 8:00 PUBLIC HEARtNG - COVINGTON VINE RIDGE _ REZONING FROM R-l, SI~GLE FAMILY DISTRICT TO P.U.D., PLANNED UNI DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. The Public Hearing opened at 8:25 PM. Mr. Eric Canton and Mr. Rick S.a hre were present to represent Covi 19ton Vine Ridge. They pointed out the changes ma e: the removal of the two norther 1 cul-de-sacs, changes the road to a large 100 with both ends opening onto Covin~ton Road; and the rearrangement of open areas placing an outlot in the center 0 the knoll to provide a play space to keep thE children out of the streets, with trails connect- ing to the other open spaces. 'hey stated they will maintain thes~ open areas. They wish to work with the Park Commission regarding tra. ilways, th y would like to have the trail restricted to a specific location through the we lands. Streets Engineer Norton had stated that there should be a 13'-15' r.o.w. 01 each side of the paved surface. Covington Vine Ridge proposes a 30'-32' hard surface, a 50' r.o.w." with a 10' easement across the fronts f the lots on each side. Traffic The traffic will move in a circ lar pattern with exits/entrances 01 Covington Road. Lot/Block Numbers I I PLANNING COMMr'SSION MEETING TUESDAY, MARC 6, 1984 page three i I I ~~:~f I , I e , The marking on presented plat was questioned. Covington Vine will mark accordingly with Blocks and Lots as part of a final said they Easements- Water/Sewer/Drainage Covington Vine Ridge will provide 20' easements and utilities only where necessary. All others each side of the lot line). i on side lot lines .ror drainage are proposed to be 10' (5' on House Plans They diSCUSSer' "walkouts" Nielsen said t ere is a wetland area. Pub 1 ie port ion of mee t ing closed at 8,41 wi tb no pub lie eo=ent. Water f This issue remains undecided. Acting Council Liaison Haugen said he water issue will be discussed at the April 7th meeting. Near mountain in Chanhassen was used as an example. around the knoll overlooking the wetlands. Planner 43 foot difference from the top of the knoll to the . Commissioner Reese said he would not recommend 64 individual wells'. I Metro Waste Dumping I' Council Liaison Haugen informed Covington Vine Ridge that MetroWa te. had contacted the City for permission to dump septic tanks into a manhole on Cov'ngton Road. She suggested they contact Metro Waste regarding this situation. e Soil Boring i tb~ answer Commissioner Reese asked if the property has been soil teste.d. was not yet. , I Reese moved, Watten seconded, to recommend to Council that they aptrove the Concept and Development plan for Covington Vine Ridge, including th Preliminary Plat, subject to review and comments by the City Engineer. Motion carried unanimously by roll call vote - Benson, Boyd, Reese, Watten and Le lie. , SHOREWOOD CONDOMINIUMS - DEVELOPMENT STAGE APPROVAL Graydon R. Boeck, Engineer and Bill Gage, their Design Consultant ~ere present. Items discussed were: I i Screeing on North side of property I Building angle - Tingewood preferred different angle but had tol do it the way shown on the plan to meet the 50' setback. . - Drainage - Tingewood has talked to Tom Thumb about using their ack area to aid in directing the drainage. Tom Thumb, according to Ting wood, was agreeable to the idea. I PLA~NING COMMISSION MEETING TUEfDAY, MARCH 6, 1984 Pagt four . A berm was mentioned, to be built on the North side of the holding pond. i I Pumps placed in the basement of the unit were also discussed. I Water - Tingewood's ~reference is to hookup to Shorewood's watel. Alternates mentioned, if case above is not possible, were 1. hooking up to onka Bay water, and 2. a well. Landscaping- A landscape plan was submitted. Mr. Borchart was present to ask if he could have a copy of the landscape plans. It was sugge~ted, by Tingewood, that Mr. Borchart meet with them and they would go over. the plans together. Amenities - recreation facilities, elevator, fireplaces, undergropnd parking, separate laundry rooms. # Units per floor Total Units Square Footage Bedroom~ per unit A. 1 3 1392 2 + Den i 1 3 1387 2 i B. +1 Den C. 9 27 1079 2 . D. 1 3 1875 2 +1 Den E. 1 3 958 1 +1 Den Watten moved, Boyd seconded, to recommend to Council to approve t~e Development Stage, when reviewed by the City Engineer and The Park Commissioni, as recommended in the 5 March 1984 staff report. Roll call vote - 4 ayes ":'Bens~n,Beya, Leslie and.Watten, 1 abstain - Reese.: I i i SHOREWOOD OAKS - COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT The four people present, reprepenting Shorewood Oaks, introduced themselves to the Planning Commission. They were: John Shardlow - Planner; Geoff Martin - Landscape Architect; Tim Phenpw - Civil Engineer; and Mr. David Johnson - owner. They informed the Commission that the developers are members of the "Custom One Builder's Association." I They are proposing 135 lots on, 44 acres of land, allowing 3.6 unilts per net density. They gave a summary of the material covered in the ~ray "Shorewood Oaks" booklet. acre The roads will have a 60' r.o.w. with a 32' paved surface. . Tim Phenow, Civil Engineer, is looking into the water issue. Commissioner Reese mentioned a dual entrance, servicing both Shor!ewood Oaks and Freeman Park. I . . . PLANNING COMM SSION MEETING TUESDAY, MARC 6, 1984 page five i COUfCil Liaison I i Commission asked "Shorewood Oaks" to return to the Planning Commis~ion with a revised plan showing some additional open space incorporated intr the site. ! I I ! The Commission discussed having deeper lots on the park side. Haugen suggested keeping some of the wooded areas intact. ROBERT S.C. PETERSON - DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL Commission discussed Mr. Peterson's development plan at length. Reese moved, Benson seconded, to table the action until the Commisbion has time to visit the site, collectively or individually. Motion carr~ed unanimously. Mr. Peterson was in full agreement and suggested waiting until thei snow melts to visit the site. A date will be set at the 3 April 1984 meetingj. APRIL 3, 1984 MEETING I Put it on the agenda to set a date to visit Mr. Peterson's properer' IT IS REQUESTED THAT ALL PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS ATTEND THE APrIL 3, 1984 MEETING TO DISCUSS THEZONINGMAP~. ADJOURNMENT Reese moved, Watten seconded, to adjourn at 11:40 PM. I Respectfully Submitted Sue Niccum, Deputy Clerk SN/js . . . CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TUESDAY, APRIL 3, 1984 COUNCIL CAMBERS 5755 COUN RY CLUB ROAD 7:30 PM M 1 NUT E S CALL TO ORDER Chairman Benson called the meeting to order at 7:40 PM. ROLL CALL Present: Chairman Bruce Benson, Commissioners Mary Boyd, Ri hard Spellman, Vern Watten, Frank Reese, Janet Leslie, Robert Sha Planner Brad Nielsen: Council Liaison Kristi Stover, and Deputy Clerk Sue Niccum. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Leslie moved, Benson seconded, to approve the minutes of March 6 1984, as written. Motion carried unanimously. SIMPLE SUBDIVISION - THOMAS HINKLEY - 24530 SMITHTOWN ROAD Mr. Hinkley explained to Commission that his building encroached on a neighbors property. The neighbor agreed to sell him 15 feet, this will pr<vide the exist- ing building with a conforming rear yard setback. Leslie moved, Boyd seconded, to recommend to Council to approve ihe simple subdivision, subject to the following conditions from the Planner's Report of March 30, 1984: I 1. The applicant must submit new legal descriptions for the tfo properties. 2. The applicant must demonstrate, within 30 days of receipt tf Council Resolution, that the division and recombination have been iled with the County. I SITE PLAN REVIEW - JUMAR MOTOR HOME RENTAL - JUDY & MARV JANICKE - 5580 COUNTY RD 19 The Janickes appeared for aIil informal discussion. They wish to ive in the existing home and also run ~ motor home rental business on the p operty. Because it will require a c~ange in zoning, they are asking feedtack from the Commission to see if their plan sounds acceptable, or if they sh(uld look elsewhere. Q. Leslie - How many vehicles do you now own? A. One, we will have three by June. I I I I Janicies remain From November to May, the vehicles will be in Flordia, the in residence here. will Planner Nielsen said they w0uld be meeting the 50 foot setback or three sides. Commission discussed both C~1 and C-2 Zoning. Planner Nielsen scid C-1 may be more acceptable because it already allows for storage (enclosed), a C.U.P. would be required. . . . PLANNING COMMI SION MINUTES APRIL 3, 1984 page two Commission also mentioned that there might be less traffic with t~is operation than with various other commercial businesses. I I i John Shardlow - Planner, Geoff Martin - LandscJpe Architect, Tim Ihenow - Civil Engineer and David Johnson - owner were presentl to show the Commi sion two different revised plans showing additional open space which elimi ates 10 interior lots, the area to be maintained by a Homeowner's Associa ion. They also kept the two trails into Freeman Park. Jumar Motor Home Rentals - Continued COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT - SHOREWOOD OAKS One plan had 29 townhouses acting as a buffer adjacent to Freeman east boundary, with 96 single family units on the remainder of th Planning Commission liked the town house buffer concept, even tho developer prefers all single family units. Commission asked the selling price. Mr. Johnson said single family would sell from $8 the townhouses about $60,000 each. Commissioner Boyd asked about basements and was told there will b basements. Park, on the site. The gh the ifference in ,000 and up, no full The high water table was discussed. Hopefully the storm sewer pr vided by the project will help the entire area. Shorewood Oaks was asked to get more detail on the townhouses and to reappear before the Planning Commission with a formal application. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT - TRIVESCO I Mr. John Uban made a presentation for Trivesco. They are proPosifg, on 107 acres, 9 acres of Commercial property, 160 multiple housing units (buffe ing between commercial and residential), and 93 single family residences on 6 acres, most lots being over 20,000 square feet. l On their plan they show a fully developed park. When they talked to the Park Commission, the Dayton property to the south of Trivesco was disc ssed as a park area. They are willing to cooperate with this idea. I They plan a commercial area with a lot of variety,. highly landscated with park- ing in the back. The idea is to make it look as nice as possible to enhance the residential use to the south. , They will be working with the engineer on a traffic study, to be ~one by OSM, in connection with the proposed intersection on State Highway #7.1 They will try to get a straight answer form the Highway Department, as the ~ntersection is a major development factor. I Another major development factor is water. Their preference is system fully assessed back to the properties served. al City water I I . . . PLANNING COMMI SION MINUTES APRIL 3, 1984 page three Tri vesco - .cont inued A collector road is proposed running from the proposed Highway #71 intersection along the west edge of the property, then teeing into Covington Rf' ad. ~hey would like to begin grading the road this fall. Commission complimented Mr. Uban on his presentation. REPORTS interfieWing Council Liaison Kristi Stover announced that the Council is new Administrator. REVIEW PROPOSED ZONING MAP for a Planner Nielsen presented a new zoning map for the new zoning ord'nance showing 12 changes. All the changes, except the elimination of the C-2 D strict at Smithtown Road and Eureka, reflect existing development. Elimina ion of the C-2 District is based on the Comprehensive Plan which states that the commercial use in that location is inappropriate and should be phased out. Jim Heiland of "Heiland's Automotive", 25575 Smithtown Road, requ sted that his property remain zoned C-2, instead of being changed to R-1A, as p oposed on the new zoning map. He felt that the change would depreciate hi& pro erty to a $15,000/$30,000 loss. Commission discussed the issue at length. Shaw moved, Watten seconded, to recommend to Council to leave the property at 25575 Smithtown Road zoned Commercial, and to revise the Comprehe sive plan. Motion carried by RollCall Vote. Shaw, Boyd, Benson, Watten and Leslie - aye, Reese and Spellman - nay. Reese moved, seconded by Leslie, to recommend to Council that The R-1D District allowing 10,000 square foot lots should be incorporated into the ew ordinance. Motion carried unanimously. Leslie moved, Boyd seconded, to recommend to Council to accept map as revised. Motion carried unanimously. I I thi I I new zoning ADJOURNMENT Benson moved, Watten seconded, to adjourn at 11:12 PM. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, Sue Niccum, Deputy Cler~ . CITY OF SHOREWOOD MAYOR Robert Rascop COUNCI L JanHaugen Tad Shaw Kristi Stover Robert Gagne DMINISTRATOR Doug Uhrhammer I I 5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD . SHOREWOOD, MINNESOTA 5 331 . (612) 474.3236 M E M 0 RAN DUM To: Planning Commission From: Brad Nielsen Date: 13 April 1984 Re: Study Session - 17 April File No: 405 General . This is just a reminder that the Planning Commission will meet at~'RObert Peterson's property (5474 Covington R~ad) at 6:00 p.m. on Tuesday, 17 April. The purpose of the site inspection is to discuss lot orientation elative to lake view. A Zoning Ordinance study session with the City Council will start at 7:30 that evening. Planning Commission members are encouraged to atte d. cc: Sue Niccum City Council Robert Peterson . A Rp.sidential Community on Lake Minnetonka's South Shore . I I CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING CO~ISSION MEETING TUESDAY, MAX 1, 1984 COUNCIL CHAMBERS 5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD 7:30P.M. iMINUTES CALL TO ORDER Acting Chairman Vern Watten called the meeting to order at 7:50 P.M. ROLL CALL I Present: Acting Chairman Vern wa.......tten, com. missioners Mary Boyd, F~ank Janet Leslie, and Bob ~haw (11:00); Planner Brad Nielse ; Council Liaison Kristi .Stover and Deputy Clerk Sue Niccum. Absent: Commissioners Bruce Be~son and Richard Spellman. I Reese, APPROVAL OF MINUTES moved, seconded by Boyd, to approve the minutes of April 3, 11984 carried unanimously. I as written. Leslie Motion 7:30 P.M. PUBLIC HEARING - ZONING ORDINANCE TEXT AMENDMENT, REZONING AND CONDITIONlA.L USE PERMIT - JUMAR MOTOR HOME RENTAL- MARVIN AND JUDY JANICKE The Public Hearing opened at 7:53 BM. Mr. and Mrs. Janicke were present. Pla~ner Nielsen explained to the Cq..mmis~ion that he was giving the,' two propose~ ord~nance amendments, to change the zon~ng to C-1 or C-2. He sugg sted C-1 as ~t would allow less intense commercial activity. , i Mr. Peter Boyer asked about the cult-rent zoning (R-4) and what eXistl's across the street. I Mr. Bob Pierson, who owns the prop~rty to the north and west, said Ihe would hate to have it ..turnedinto a storage ar........ea. He is considering bUilding,ffiultiPle units on his property some time in the future and was concerned about ho it might affect his project. Mr. Janicke said they now have onel33' unit that is rented from JuJe 30th through August 17th. They plan on 3 unitslin 1984, 5 units in 1985, 7uni:s in 1986, with a maximum of 8 units. He showed th.e Commission the plan for the p rking pads (all in front) and raising the garage roof. Commissioner Reese asked Planner Nielsen if they could be held to ~heir plan. The reply was "yes, under a C.U.P.". I Public portion of the meeting was closed at 8:15 PM. Reese moved, seconded by Leslie, to recommend to Council that Ordirance No. 77, Section 23, Subdivision 3, be amended to include open or outdoor sale or rental as a principal or accessory use under a Conditional Use Permit as shown in the Planners Report of 24 April 1984. !Roll Call Vote - aye - Reese, Leslie, and Boyd; nay - Watten. Motion carried. . , , , PLANNING cotISSION MEETING TUESDAY, MA 1, 1984 Page Two I Boyd. move. d., seconded by Reese, to r,ecommend to Council to rezone ~he property at 5580 County Road 19 from R-4 to C-1. Motion carried by Roll Call V te - aye - Reese, Lesliie, and Boyd; nay - Watten. . i , Leslie moved, seconded by Reese, to recommend to Council to approv~ a Conditional Use Permit contingent upon an approved landscape pia):! which provides year round screening, with a required bond for 150 percent of the bid by a certified nursery. The bond or letter of credit to be effeq:ive for twoi full growing seasons. Motion carried by Roll Call Vote - aye - Reese, i Leslie, Boyd; nay - Watter:. i : I Commissioner Watten explained his reasoni for his nay vote, saying that he is afraid if the business fails it might leave thelproperty op~n to more undesirable uses. I . 8: 00 PM PUB!LIC HEARING - OUR SAVIORS LUThERAN CHURCH - 23290 STATE HIGHWAY 7 - CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT I i I I I ! Reverend Da.....vid Ste uernage 1 wa. sp resent tP',. explain to... commiSSion. t hjt the church wishes to open an elementary school in tre existing wing of their tructure for kindergarten through second grade. Theylwill be usipg the existin kitchen facilities ~nd following the same patter~ for meal~ that they now se for their existing nursery school. He did not fee~ that there would be a tr ffic problem I : , with the number of additional students. i i . I i , I He did say that eventually they plan to ~pply for a ~uilding permi~ to build a new wing to entarge their school to also han~le grades 3 through 8. I would be a two story addition with 2000 square feet on rach floor. The Planner e plained that this would require a separate C.U.P. I A question on the property lines will bel answered at the time of aJplication for the above. ~ I I Wallace Wierson asked~ 1) If tuition woukd be charged; and 2) If t;e school will be for parish 'members only. The answer wasl yes, tuition will be char ed, and no, the school will be open to anyone. Mr. Wier~on said he objected to th school, that he believed the taxpayers would end up payipg for it. j Les Anderson of Shady Hills said that prlvate schools usually end p saving the taxpayer thousands of dollars. I I i i I The Public Hearing began at 8:30 PM. The Public portion of the hearing was clpsed at 8:43 PM. I Signage was discussed. The current sign~ge consists of 2 permanenl signs and one temporary sign, which exceed the ordinan~e. The current Residenti,l Zoning allows one illuminated or non-illuminated sign ~ot to exceed 20 square feEt. Reverend Steuernagel feels that there are three s parate functions within Ole: church, nursery school, and the elementary schoo,l. It was suggested that 1 his be discussed in relation to the new Zoning ordinance.1 Boyd moved, seconded by Leslie, to recomkend to Council, to grant jhe Conditional Use Permit ..for Our Saviors Lutheran Chur~h, contingent upon proper signage under the current Zoning Ordinance and a study of ~he Building Code conforma ce, with an inspection of the kitchen. Motion carri~d unanimously. ! . I t PLANNING CO~..ISSION MEETING TUESDAY, MAY, 1984 Page Three 8:30 PM PUBLIC HEARING ~ COMPREHENSIVE P AN AMENDMENT AND CONCEPT S~AGE OF A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT (P.U.D.) - TRIVESCO I . : John Ubanwa,s present to tell the Commis ion about Trivesco' s propolsal. 107 acres of lanid are involved, 9 acres of commercial development along Highwjay 7, 160 multiple family units on 21,8 acres south of the commercial area (to act as la buffer between the cbmmerc..ial area and the residential area), and 91 single famil~ residential units on 63.6 acres to the south. The Developer has proposed to develop !the project throu~h planned unit development zoning. His control of the three ~arcels also gives him co'....ntrol.as to how the commercial andmultiple hO.U sing will be ~evelo.ped'.SO they will ~e compatible to his single family homes. They are proposing a new collector street to t~ke the load off of Vine Hill Road, this would involve new intersection on Highway 7 in the approximate vicinity of "Brom's Market". The ity of Shorewood and the developer are working on a traffic study concerning the pr~lposed intersection at this time. They also propose to aid the residents in Shady Hills by helping to improve the Shady Hills Road/Vine Hill Road intersection, thus pre enting.the present flow d..f tra.ffic from Stratford Woods APar.. tments. They wish to wor~ with the residents of Shady Hills and be as cooperative as possible. They plan on holding more . neighborhood meetings as they progress. They would prefer to go with a municipal City water system but no decision has yet been reached. Many r;esidents were present to ask que~tions and make comments: TRAFFIC Gary Mize - Shady Hills Q.Whats to prevent the traffic from the collector street from swin~ing around Covington Road and taking Radisson Road all the way to Excelsior?1 A.There will not be a direct route onto Covington. The intersecti~n would be the quickest and safest route. Without the collector road it would Ie more of a problem. I I Dan Huber ~ Shady Hills I Q.What if the collector street and the intersection doesn't happen? A.There is a need according to the Highway Department and the COty,lthis is the best way 'to resolve the Vinehill intersection probLem. If we don't bu~ld here someone wil~, Near Mountain and Covington Vine Ridge are going in. Jul~e Weidner - Deephaven Q.Do ~ou plan to put all your roads in d~ring the first phase, pr ~nly in residential? I A.We'll probably phase it, starting from the south. I Mrs .....' Weidner said her conc.ern is that a.' 11 the traffic will be th,'own right back on Vine Hill Road during this time. Her concern is getting tne raffic problem solved as soon as possible. I Mrs.r Vogel - Excelsior Boulevard I Q.Why 'aren't you concentrating on fixing the Vine Hill intersec io~? A. The 're",on we're even ta.lking about another intersec.tion iSbbcalse many options for improving the Vine Hill intersecti~n have been discussed ~nd all found to be expensive and none provide a good solution to the problem. , I I . . , , 8:30 PM Public Hearing - Trivesco P.U.D., continued: PLANNING ~01ISSION MEETING TUESDAY, ~AY 1, 1984 Page Four ! Tra~fic Concerns, continued: Chuqk Rosenberg - Deephaven Q.Why 'not move the intersection farther west? Object to inters~ct~on and commercial. ! A.Curve in Highway 7 and adjacent topography result in poor sit~ lines for an intersection. Depending on MnDOT, it may be moved somewhat west ard. John Uban - Comment It ~ould be at least 3 years before the intersection is put ir. lIt would have traffic lights, turn lanes, and median. ! I I Boulevard I Deephaven traffic. Showed concern ove~ t~o intersections I I Mrs. Vogel - Excelsior Mentioned Amesbury and so close together. Pete Boyer - Excelsior Boulevard Traffic noises, braking, etc., make a lot of noise from the V~ne Hill intersection, a closer intersection would generate more noise. Mr. Boyer also said he asked John Uban for a traffic count fo r~sidential, c ond...ominium sand commerC.1'al an.d~as told single-family re siderti11 -.900 trips per day; condominiums - 900 trips pe day; and commercial - 1800 ri sper day. He said he didn't feel that most pe ple objected to the resident~al but felt that extta traffic generated by comme cial would place an undue ha ds~ip on an area already congested with traffic, nd cause trouble with the ne~ghBors. A.Mr. ....Uban stated that they f eltmtst of the traffic coming intp t.Je commercial area would be traffic coming down Hig way 7 anyway, and entering ard Exiting the commercial area back onto Highwa 7, would not increase the t affic on Highway 7 that much, as they were part of he current traffic to begin ~itt. ROAD FROM SHADY HILLS ROAD RUNNI~G NORTH AND SOUTH TO SERVICE R01D Johri Uban ~ Plan on leaving this road open for convenience of Sh~dy Hills residents. Are not planning on upgrading it because felt residents would prdfer it that way. None of the proposed development would utilize the existing rpad~,aY. COVINGTON ENTRANCE OF COLLECTOR <OAD I i Wilt be at a high point for safe y. Developer proposes to "TI tlie new collector into Covington. The City staff noposes to bend the new coll~ctcr eastward to connect with Covington. From th west, Covington would then IT" into the new collector. This woulc keep traf ic on the collector from penetrating the Christmas Lake residertial area. . I I PLANNING ~OMMISSION MEETING TUESDAY, ~AY 1, 1984 Page Five 8:30 PM Public Hearing - Trivesc) P.U.D., continued: MULTIPLE HOUSING Bob Vanden Branden - Shady Hills Q.Are these rental units? A.Our market is for condominiums, 0 be bought, with an average coslt of $90,000. Mr. Vanden Branden asked if ther was any chance of fewer con~os lat higher prices. A.In another area we are doing thi , but they are next to a gol c~urse, hug@ mature oaks, rock retaining walls, all he amenities. e Mr. Vanden Branden - There are a proximately 90 people in 30 ~om s in Shady Hills, with 160 units we will have 400 )r 500 people within 100 feet of us. A. Thats why we're trying to orient all our circulation to the wf>st,1 to the col1:.ector street. We're trying to provide a buffer strip and trail. I Les Anderson - Shady Hills Circ1 i I re.,alize the property has to de Telop eventually, thats only ealistic, there are some good things about your plan however, what I highly obje t to is the density per a re, almost 7, in the multi le housing. I also object tp c mercial. John Uban has worked to try to solve )Or problems. A.We are trying to cut the density on the east end, by Shady Hi Is COMMERCIAL AREA John Uban - Try to make as taste ul as possible with landscap d ~erms between par~ing area and Shady Hills are, selection of businesses, sh"el~ed lighting, and controlled signage. They do not plan to construct commercial unt'il intersection in. Petel Boyer - Excelsior BOUlevard~ People to the southeast. and nort object to spread of commerc" al district, light shining toward north, want resi ential. Pat Malmstrom - Shady Hills Circ e We've paid high taxes for a numb r of years to avoid commerci~l. ! Its creeping and we're concerned about commercial spreading slowly but surely. i Q.Why 'doesn't Trivesco buy the pro erty and put the first 500 f~et linto a park? A.That "dea was talked about at tht Park Commission and they do not want it, plus we could not afford it. Wallare Wierson Obje.c s to commercial. Bonni~ Workman - Deephaven This s a beautiful area and we ate to see commercial go in I piroperty. I rr. Murfin. nd spoil our area. He asked why Mr. Murfin couldn't dona e A.Mr. Uban suggested that he form citizens committee and talk to . , , PLANNING TUESDAY, Page Six ~O~ISSION MEETING ~AY 11, 1984 I I I I I 8:30 PM Public Hearing - Trivesco P.U.D., continued: Co~ercial Area Concerns, continued: Carol McKay Suggested putting I in a 20'high berm. i I The dirt would involve rUiningJt. he Rather than cheapen their P~Ojlct, rest of they A.This would have to be 150' wide. the iproperty to get enough dirt. will withdraw. TomlMelcher - Shady Hills It IS inevitable that this land will be commercial eventuallY.lhats to prevent them from putting in one-story conmercial, omitting multiple, ~nd putting in residential homes? A.Mark.et is created by neighborh. ood. No big office buildings plan~ed. The best plan for this land is multiple because of the way the land is fo~med. I i Bob Peterson I I t~,.,ink the overall project is good, I think everyone can say IIIjdon't like this, I don't like that, I live on the west side of Covington" but I tink their overall concept is excellent, they have put 3 pieces together, the City eeds it as a tax base. If the three pieces were sold separately you might en up with an overall hodge-podge. I think their overall concept is good a~d ~hould be considered. I Bob ,Vanden Branden I agree to a certain point on some of the desirable things incorporated in this thats not to say these desirable things can't be incorporated inlthe future. I I plan, Puolic portion of meeting closed at 11:00 P.M. John Uban asked that a decision be made tonight because of their I ttetable. Commissioner Watten said he was not ready to make a decision. Commissioner Reese questioned some things in the commercial area more text. i a1d asked for i I Planner Nielsen suggested postponing a decision until the next Platning Commission meeting on May 15. I I In giving concept approval and rezoning this to a P.U.D., how muchicontrol does the City have? ~ Planner Nielsen said this gives us the most control of any zoning. If the developer doesn't do as he says he is going to do, the property can revert b ck to its original zoning. , . I I PLANNING TUESDAY, Page Seve Commissioner Leslie would like to see: 8:30 BM Public Hearing - Trivesco P.U.D., continued: ISSION MEETING 1, 1984 i I I "J if she could 1~~~ is concerned I g the discussion over unti t~e May 15th ents will be welcome at th"s ~eeting. Roll haw; nay - Leslie and Boyd 9otion carried. 1. 2. Some compromise on the commercial. The density in multiple is a little higher than desired. She said she would not be opposed to giving concept approval to be assured that we had some room for compromise on the two area about. Reese ~oved, Watten seconded, carryi meetiqg. Any additional written com Call Vote - aye - Reese, Watten and VARIANCE REQUEST - EXPANSION OF A NO CONFORMING Richard Keifer - 25885 Birch Bluff Road Mr. Keifer was present. Planner N"elsen explained Mr. Keifer 3-season porch, enclosing an exist"ng deck, at the rear of hi nonconforming structure. The hous was built in 1977 and at was issued without any kind of a v riance, although one shoul What Planner Nielsen is proposing os, until the new ordinance will allow this, and address it by C.U.P., that in the meanti ordVnance to allow certain single amily residential structur subject to any conditions consider d necessary by the City Co 9:00 BM PUBLIC HEARING - ZONING ORDI ANCE TEXT AMENDMENT The 9 :iOO Public Hearing opened at 11: 40 PM. The p~blic portion was closed at 11: 2 PM. Reese moved, Shaw seconded, to recom end to Council to accept E Planners Report, an ordinance amendi g Ordinance No. 77 to allo residential structures to be expande , subject to any condition by the City Council. Motion carried unanimously. Shaw ~oved, Boyd secQnded, to recomm Keifer of 25885 Birch Bluff Motion carried unanimously. Council to grant a v ri a three-season porch on SIMPLE SUBDIVISION AND VARIANCE REQU ST Mrs.' Sally Larson - 5795 Grant Lor nz Road Mr. Paul A. Skjervold of 5660 Gran Lorenz Road was present t hi it C of the c rtain single family d emed necessary to Richard existing deck. Mr. Skjervold drew up the original deed for Mrs. Larson when property, 5755 Grant Lorenz Road, 0 Mr. Houdiek on a C.D. A strip of land was left betWeen 575 and 5775 Grant Lorenz Roa 5775 encroaches Onto a 20 foot strOp of her property. She wi size strips with her neigh~or, plu divide off a lot on the e grandaughter. r present Mrs. Larson. he:conveyed the t is time a 20 foot . The house at hes to trade equal st Iside for her . I I PLANNING TUESDAY, Page Eigh SSION MEETING , 1984 Sim Ie Subdivision and Variance Request - Sally Larson, conti The Planner One variance and the other rcel A is 37,000). Mr. Gary Gabriel did the p4perwork and talked with Planner Ni told' him it would require qwo variances for Subdivision appro because 120 feet of fronta~e is required (parcel 90 ft. front because 40,000 square feet ,is required for a lot in R-1 Mr. Skjervold called Plann~r Nielsen the day before the meeti 1) a 17 foot road easement iwas recommended, 2) a $500 park do utility easements around r~ar and side of properties is requi division Ordinance. d was told n, and 3) 10 foot y the Sub- Mr. Skjervold says its bei~g treated as though its some kind i I I I iFPortant subdivision. cfity asked for w~nted the land, I see~ed to be under ressing need on the ere is none". I He s,aid he represented the i people in that area in 1972 when t e 17 feet, and that he told 4ttorney Frank Kelly that if the Ci y they would have to pay foriit. Mr. ~kjervold said he "talked to Mr. Nielsen yesterday and he the misapprehension that i~ some way or other there was some part of Liefermans and Larjons to accomplish this, actually t Mr. Skjervold said if theyihad realized earlier what all was nvolved they wouldn't have bothered, that all they are trying to do is straighten 0 t some lot lines in a local neighborhood, nc;>t trying to plat the property. One of the involved partie asked why they weren't told all t is efore. Planner Nie1:sen said they don't go into all this until they analyze a reqluest. I Planner Nielsen said the 11 foot r.o.w. is suggested consiste t ~~th past policy. That. we acquire r.o.w. whem the opportunity presents itself i t e case of substandard roads. He talked to the City Engineer and its po sible that they can only take 8.5 feet. An issue not discussed in the staff repo t is that there is a major drainageway running through the property. He doesn't see this as presenting any problem but we need the applicant's surveyor to determine the width of the creek so our engineer can determine the maximum flood elevation so we can acquire the easement on that area Ciis per the Shorewood Wetland Ordinance. Mr. Skjervold said "Now weihave the unseemly spectacle of under the guise of allowing a routine boundary line change they pick up 17 feet. Q ite frankly my people won't accept that ktnd of thing. I don't know why they s~ould". Acting Chairman Watten stated that because of the controversy, h~ felt this is a matter for the City Attorn~y to become involved in. I Commissioner Leslie asked if there was not a "FOR SALE" sign on ~ract C. They said it was because t~ey didn't think there would be any pr blem, they would take it down. Bob .Shaw moved, seconded by Janet Leslie, to table the issue and direct the City Attorney, the Planner, and10ther parties to get together and wor it out. Motion carried unanimously~ . , , DEVELOIPMENT STAGE OF P.U.D. -'-ROBERT S.C. PETERSON i PLANNING cotISSION MEETING TUESDAY, MAY 1, 1984 Page Nine I i I WiShrd i I I i I I Planne..r Nielsen said he cou 1<il... see Mr. Peterson's point, even thoug~ with his recommendation, andiif Commission goes with Mr. Peterson's suggests that we make very certain as to what setbacks are require happen within certain areas. i I I f Mr. Peterson of 5474 Covingt~n Road was present to show how he homes, so that all four home$ would have a view of the lake. to place his Commisision did go out to thi$ property to look at it. it did not agree proposal, he and what can Commisision discussed the 20 toot difference in height. Shaw moved, Boyd seconded, t~ recommend to Council to approve EXhiiit E subject to the covenants proposed by the developer. Roll Call Vote - aye - Byd, Leslie, Reese and Shaw; nay - Watten. Motion arried. REPORTS I I I I i I I Stage approved. tiie. Willie Norfleet I Kristi Stover reported ncil meeting: Rapid Oil Variance - denied. Trudks- City is buying two ne trucks. Administrator- There are t~o p ople being interviewed at this and Paul Finocc io. Covington Vine Ridge - Concept and Development Vacation - part of Clara and 3rd Street. St.John's Preserve - tab l~d - not present. ADJOURNMENT Shaw moved, seconded by Lesl e, to adjourn at 12:30 A.M. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, Sue Niccum Deputy Clerk . . . I I : I ~ I NUT E S i I , I Chairman Bruce Benson called the me~ting to order at 7:30 P.M. I I , on, CO.fmissioners Richard Spellman, M~'rY Boyd, Lesliet and Frank Reese; Planner Bra Nielsen; sti strer and Deputy Clerk Sue Niccu " I Shaw moved, Watten seconded, to approve the minutes of May 1, 1984, as written. Motion carried unanimously. I CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION TUESDAY, MAY 15, 1984 COUNCIL CHAMBERS 5755 COUNTRY CLUB RD. 7:30 P.M. CALL 110 ORDER ROLL CALL Present: Chairman Bruce Ben Vern Watten, Janet Council Liaison Kr APPROVAL OF MINUTES TRIVESCO - DISCUSSION OF COMPREHENS VE PLAN AMENDMENT AND CONCEPT STAGE OF A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT I I i Chairman Benson said the Commission and staff had received quite a few letters regarding Trivesco since May 1 from the following: Hen~y D. Paetzel, 19625 ExcelsiorlBoulevard, Shorewood C. J.. Edwards, 5865 Minnetonka Driye, Shorewood Kay Hendries, Deephaven David M. Feltl, 19500 Excetsior B~ulevard, Deephaven Peter J. Boyer, 19685 Old ~xcelsi~r Boulevard, Shorewood Bonnie Workman, 19610 Exce~sior B~ulevard, Deephaven Mary"..../Barbar a G er11" n g, 25,66Cl"". BirChiB1Uff Rd., Shorewood GL/Susan Hoffman, 19450 Old Excel ior Blvd., Deephaven Wallace Wierson, 19765 Excelsior lvd., Shorewood Muriel Vogel, 19795 Excels~or Blv ., Shorewood Gordon/Dorothy Wellens, 19~50Exc$lsior Blvd., Deephaven Robert A. VandenBranden, 19585 Sh~dy Hills, Shorewood LeslCarol Anderson, 5385 S~ady Hips Circle, Shorewood i John Uban briefly reviewed their pr~posal, then went on to they've made since the May l'meetin.. Commercial fl The~"... redesigned the bUildi~""..gs so hey are not close to Highway them so the main area is directly across from the church, with higher-class restaurant onithe we t end. They also redesigned it from the back to the front and side. I i I I i explain 'the changes that I 7~ and repositioned a separate proposed t e parking, moving Johq also mentioned that the noisf factor for the first 500 feet off Highway 7 is 65 decibels, making it better suited for commercial than residen ial. I : Mul~iple Housing .: Theimultiple housing is re~uced from 160 units to 144 units, red cing the units and area on the east side,:borderlng Shady Hills. The nearest m ltiple would be approximately 150 feet fro$ the property line. John also mentio ed that there will be a stand of Burr Oaks betw'en the multiples and Shady Hil . . . Planning Commission Minutes May 15, 1984 Page Two Tri~esco discussion, continued: Bui~dings The Ineighborhood expressed a commercial and multiple wi I more than two stories high desite for low buildings. The bUil~ings in both be dtsigned with residential charac1er, and no I ' I actoss Highway 7, is , I Traffic Count - Highway 7 I i Traffic has been estimated at 28'f80 trips a day, with a predict1'd growth of 1000 trips a year. These figures are from a study the Highway D partment did this year. I I John also announced they will have * "Design Criteria Manual" that !they will follow. Chairman Bruce Benson announced to ~he public that the public hear;'ng had been closed at the May 1 meeting. He saf'd the Commission would accept ornments and qUesti,ons on new changes or t, hings hat had not been previously di",cussed but would not rehash discussion from the prev ous meeting. I Steve Larson - Radisson Inn Road 1 I Q. iWhat is the proposal of build ng usage for commercial? I A. IWe are proposing shops~ offic space, to suit the neighborh09d. Possibly Realtors, Insurance, specialtr shops, a small general store, Ino outdoor sales. Q. Is the restaurant a firm thou,ht? i A. It is an excellant site for alhigh-class restaurant. ii' I , , Q. Will a Liquor License be applted for? or A. Depending on the restaurant, possibly a Stewart Cattle Co. Chi Chi's, something along those tines. I I Pet~r Boyer - Old Excelsior Blvd. I Q. iWill commercial buildings be two story and under? A. Yes. I , , , Distance North The inearest home on the north, commercial. I 800 feet fro~ the proposed I i Q. What about the roof height? I A.The roof height will be limit+d. i Q. What is the latest the lights would be on? A. The retail businesses would p obably be 7:00PM - 9:00PM, the restaurant 1:00 - 2:00 AM. The lights must be controlled to prevent traffic glare. The e will be soft lighting and a good roof over ang. Residents will see illum"nated, subdued lighting, not direct lighting I I Planning Commission Minutes May 15, 1984 Page Three . Triveslco discussion, continued: Mrs. Vogel - Excelsior Blvd. Q.Who will pay for the stgnal? A. It is not fully determined, b1.f1t hopefully the combination of the Hignway Safety Department, I I Q. A. signal will be ba1d for by a probably about ~o~, and tbe City. I I What is planned for the other side of the highway? I (Planner Nielsen) Years ago urCity Engineer came up with slix alternate plans, all expensive, none of' them r suIted in a total solution for the area, to improve the Vine Hill interse tion. Previously, "before Trivesco", the City was working on new int~rsecti n plan, the idea being to use the existing Vine Hill intersection on the north to handle the traffic fron the Deephaven area and to put in a new intersection to the west to handle the traffic coming from the south. This ~nvolveI' closing off the south side of the existing Vine Hill intersectiont They would not upgrade Vine Hill Road to collector status but leave it as!aresi entia I road, putting in a new collector road !to the new intersectiotil. I !~~~~;.ar;h~u:~~~~~Si~~~~:e~~~t~V~:~i~~~Sw~~~~e~a~~sp~:~:s:~~~n~ot:~ ~~::~iC with the intersection, and otter questions will be determine, at this time. Les Anderson - Shady Hills Circle I I I ' !Comment to John Uban: Burr o.ks mentioned by Trivesco are velry skimpy, mostly cot tonwoods. ! A. We realize there is a lot of ~crub, we will be landscaping. I . Bob Q. A. , I What about the steep drop fro~ the Burr oaks to the IAgain, this would be h.jindled ~y the landscapers. ! I VandenBranden - Shady aills ! How far will the multiple be from my house? 150 - 180 feet with screening I in between. I mUltiPler I Q. A. , John Uban also told Mr. Va~denBra~den they would work with him of his motor home, as theydidn'tlcare to look at it either. ! I Mrs. Vogel - Excelsior Blvd. ' Q. Will there be an "Environment,l Impact Study" made? A. 'Yes. i ! ! I c~ncerning I I I I storage Wallace Wierson - Excelsior Blvd. I ! Com~ent: I understand fro$ the mfeting tonight that we have made~' some very c, onC,..,iliatOry comments reg ar ~.,.,.,' i ngcorpmercial, I wonder if you are still aware that there are some of us o/ho arelnot yet willing to concede to ommercial. , 'I ! Stephen Larson - Radisson ~nn Roa~ I Q.Has this already been toned ctmmercial? A. No, it is zoned R-1. ! , . i . . . I Plannin~ comm~ssion May 15, 1984 i Page Fot r i Q. I I i i I Commissioner Wattenasked if there has been market ana ysis for the need for commercial~ I We have no done any market s~rvey, we strongly believE with the new develop- ment it wi 1 be needed. We d~n I t usually do a market c nalysi s on this small ,a commerci:ll area. I 1 What do YOll think the time ta~le will be on the intersE ction?1 (Planner N'elsen) That will ~ave to be addressed in tIe tra~fic study. It all depends on cooperation between City and State. I I i (John ubanl) I have talked tol the Highway Department ard the~ said emergency funds may ~e used for this intersection, in that case they mjntioned a time of 1 or 2 ~ears. I Commission~r Janet Leslie aSk~d about height in multip es. I John said hey will be very rrsidential, also no highel than two stories. Commission~r Bob Shaw asked iF there would be a pool. , Mr. Uban s:lid it would depend I on the market study. I Minutes A. Q. A. Q. A. Q. A. I Q. commiSSionrr Boyd asked how mkny A. 24/8 per b ilding. , The ccmmisSiOnerj discussed various aspects at length. , Spellnan moved, teslie seconded, to recommend to Council to cccept Ithe P.U.D. Develc pment ConCEpt and the Comprehfnsive Plan Amendment. Rc 11 Ca~l Vote - Ayes - 6 - Spellnan, Shaw, foyd, Benson, Lesli~, and Reese; Nay - Watter. Mo~ion carried. CommiEsioner Les~ie asked Mr. Uban ~ 0 work closely with Mr. lnders1'n and Mr. Vc ndenBrande . i i , REPOR~ S~' i ' i Counc'l Liaison risti Stover repor~ed: ! , I Matters From tbe Floor i I Eric Dorfman and Rich Hill, two 8~h grade students appeared befOrE the Council witl a study they'd done on the D~g Ordinance, mentioning lhat it wasn't enforced. I The did a fanjtastic job, above aj:1d beyond the call of dut', goir g so far as to makE up new f o~ms . ' ParI commissiol i A b'd of $57831.00 was approved for playground equipment. The Park commi~sion was granted a Bingo permit. i Sal y Larson I Cancelled. I RobErt Peterson App oved. multiples would be on the e~st end. , . . . . Rep rts, continued: Zon ng Ordinance Att rney Larson changed the wordi~g a little. Our Savior's Lutheran Church App oved. 3rd Street - Clara Avenue A h aring was requested, then wit~drawn. Rap d Oil Tab ed. Par Dedication - $500.00 Pas ed. Fir t Reading on Controlled Subst~nce was Held. I I I I I I i Planni.ng comliSSion May 15, 1984 Page Five I I I i I I ADJOU NMENT Cou cil discussed which street wo~ d get improvements this year. Lesli moved, Shaw seconded, to adjpurn at 10:00 P.M. RESPEI TFULLY SUBMITTED, Susan Niccum Deput Clerk I Minutes . . . . CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLAN ING COMMISSION MEETING TUES AY, JUNE 5, 1984 I I COUNCIL CHAMBERS[ 5755 COUNTRY CLU ROAD 7:30 PM ! M NUT E S CALL TO ORDER ! Chai man Bruce Benson called the qeeting to order at 7:40 PM. ROLL CALL Pr sent: Chairman Bruce Benson,! Commissioners Mary Boyd. Janet Leslie,Frank Reese, Bob Shaw (9:25); Plan~er Brad Nielsen; Acting Council Liaison Jan Haugen and Deputy Clerk Sue ~iccum. ! ent: Commissioners Vern Wa~ten and Richard Spellman MINUTES - MAY 15, 1984 Lesl'e moved, Boyd seconded, to aBprove the minutes of May 15 as ritten. Motion carr'ed unanimously. , SUBDIVISION - MRS. A. T. R]DINGER - 5330 HOWARDS POINT ROA ~or Mrs. Ridinger, was present I , 4cre property 1nto 2 lots. i I t~e old shed on the piece of n Hassel, real estate agent ding the division of the 2~ tp answer any questions I proprrty to be divided I Leslie asked about it will come down. , asked about th~ sewer hookup. Planner Nielse1 said there shouldn't I to ~pprove the subdivision request Isubject Report. Motion carried unanimousl~. I I to the Benson seconded, in the Planner's NCE REQUEST - REAR YARD SETBCK - RICHARD GAY - 5480 COVINGT N ROAD I I Mr. ay appeared before the CommiJsion to request a 15 foot rear ard setback to build a ne home on his property. He ptesented a model of the house and lot. He said one of t e reasons for his request islthe existing driveway easement through the Southeast corner of the lot, which limits t*e useful building area. He alslo mentioned the following: I I I I . The area where he wishes to butld is the only open area. He ~ould like to preserve the trees which provide privact, wildlife and a natural noise Ibarrier. situated this w~y, the sewer can be run in a sdraight 150 line to i I I i n NSP utility easement of 10' Ito is' runs along the southerl lot line. he existing land contours protide a perfect site for the pIa ned walkout. I he requested variance allows for the best all around lot use the south side where a double garage is fventually planned for storage cars. he garage would be installed fmong the trees in a natural se upper bracket arearhere homes and lots are not co conventional. e wishes to retain as much of the natural surroundings as po sible while blending he structures into their surrundings. i I ! . . . COMMIS~ION MINUTES june 5 '11984 I property, with 5 gew homes going i PLANNING TUESDAY, page two Mr. Gay did mention the fact that the Peterson abuts his property on the westerly side. ! i i Planner Nielsen mentioned that thl Peterson propery has covenantsl involved and suggested a covenant on Mr. Gay's property. , Leslie moved, Boyd seconded, to ricommend to Council to approve t~e variance for the 15 foot rear yard setback on the ~ondition that the front yard s~tback is increased to 65 feet with the require.ment t*at there be no assessory use, bluilding or outside storage in the back yard setbackcilrea. Motion carried unanimouslr. VARIANCE REQUEST - EXPANSION OF A NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE - KEITHI BEDFORD - 24375 WOOD DRIVE i I i Mr. Bedford was present to explain to the Commission that he wishfd to build a 14' x 24' deck on the back of his hou~e. i Planner's Report noted that the pt.oposed deck will conform to the'~setback require- ments of the current standards and will not increase the nonconfo mity of the existing i house. I I Benson moved, Reese seconded, to Jecommend to Council to approve ~he variance requested for the expansion of a nonconfrom,ng structure. Motion carried uranimously. I I PLANNING COMMISSION ATTENDANCE ! i in, Acting Council Liaison Haugen ann~unced that the Council feels iti will be of great value if the Planning Commission ~embers that cannot attend the mfeting will call Sue prior to the meeting and let 1er know they will not be there rnd why. Staff requested to put the above on the bottom of the agenda. i *******PLANNING COMMISSION NOTE: I THE JULY 3 MEETING HAS BEEN RESCH~..DULED FOR JULY. 10 WITH THE UNDEr' STANDING NOTHING COMES IN FOR THAT MEETING ,I THE MEETING WILL BE CANCELLED. I REPORTS ! i THAT IF Acting Council Liaison Jan Haugen Ireported on the Council i meetingl of May 29. take ov~r as the new City Administrator - Daniel Vogt, of IRogers, Minnesota, will Administrator on July 9th. Ordinance For Expansion of Noncdnforming Structure as long as t e Nonconformitv is not enchanced - passed I Rapid Oil - 4-1 vote passed w~th a 23 foot setback building will be designed diffeJently than the usual orange stripe. It will be done lin earth tones. i Liquor/Beer Licenses - approved Iproviding they have proper ! ! i I and conditton that the white withl the brilliant i I insurance documentation. Tree Bids - awarded. . . . PLANNING COMMIS1ION MINUTES TUESDAY, JUNE , 1984 page three I Controlled Substances - tabled }ndefinately. Rudolph Miller - Tennis Court -IMr. Miller changed being 50 feet from the tarred surface of the road. required. his setback to comply with Therefore, no variance was Trivesco - Council decided to handly the Comprehensive Plan Am~ndment and the Concept Stage of a Planned Unit Development (P.U.D.) at the sa~e time. The idea of the "Cattle Company" restaurant caused the most contro ersy. John Uban stated that the "Cattle Company" was only used as an exam Ie as the type of restaurant. The whole area would have to be parking lot an there would not be any room for the other buildings planned for that area. Board of Review - becuase of problems with the present assesso , the Council is seriously considering contracting their own assessor. I ! 3rd Avenue Apartments - The City of Excelsior has agreed to W011k with the City of Shorewood in correcting the existing problems. I I 8:30 PUBLIC HEARING - COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND CONCEPT S~AGE OF A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT (P.U.D.) - SHOREWOOD OAKS' I Mr. Geoff Martin, of Howard Dahlgren Assiciates, made the presen9ation for Shorewood Oaks. As a result of the April 3rd meeting, they are ~ow proposing the following: I I 96 single family units, 29 townhouses, 4.4 acres of open space w~th 30 foot trail easements to Freeman Park, 2 entrances - State Highway 7 aqd Strawberry Lane, and a dedication of an additional 17 foot r.o.w. for the f~ture upgrading of Strawberry Lane. Streets will have a 50 foot r.o.w. and a 30j' foot tarred surface. The density is 3.03 per acre. a 6' to 8' berm will be located along the east property line as a buffer between Shorewood Oaks and Fr eman Park. They are requesting a 5 foot garage setback and a 10 foot house ~etback. I Shorewood Oaks agreed to fillow all City Engineer Norton's recomclendations regarding sewer and water. I I I I Discussion - Public Portion of Meeting Margaret Osha - 25849 Highway 7 Q. When you lower the water table, what happens to my well? A. We are only lowering the table down to about 4 feet, your below that depth. I , I I 4ell is way ! Do we have to hookup to sewer when it is put in? I It is a City Policy to hook people in the vicinity of seweJ up to the system, however, this will have to be a Council decision, 4s expert advice will be needed from the Engineer, etc. What about the traffic level? Q. A. Q. A. The predicted amount of daily trips is 1200. . . . PLANNING COMMIS ION MINUTES TUESDAY, JUNE 5, 1984 page four Q. Where will all the wildlife go? A. Hard to say, Freeman Park will have a fairly good sized ar a left wild. Marion Johnson - Strawberry Lane Q. A. What about West 62nd Street? Q. A. i The idea is to vacate the part running along the southern ~dge of the Shorewood Oaks property. Currently, this is not being used las road. Who does the Environmental Impact Study? i A form is provided by EQB (Environmental Quality Board). Mrs. Thomson - 26240 West 62nd Street Q. Will they be puting in curbs on Strawberry Lane? A. Not yet. Q. Are we drilling their well for them? A. No Pam Johnson Q. What is the average lot size? A. 10.900 Square feet. Margaret Osha - 25840 Highway 7 Q. A. What is the height and width It will vary - 6' to 8' high of the berm along Freeman pari? and 24' to 30' wide. i Several neighbors expressed serious concern regarding the drainagle on this project, as several of them already have problems due to the highl water table in the area and they want to make sure that this doesn't in rease their problems even more. Present were Margaret and Bob Osha, Marion Johnson, Pam Johnson, Mr. and Mrs. Steve Thomson, and a few others who didn't ive a name. It was explained to examine all aspects Watershed District. met or exceeded. the neighbors that the City Engineer will ver thoroughly of the drainage plan, which will then be revi wed by the It will not be installed until all specifications are Public Portion of the meeting was closed at 9:35 PM. ENGINEER' S REPORT Planner Nielsen reported the following, after a telephone confer nce with the City Engineer, Jim Norton. Sanitary Sewer adequate to serve the project MWCC approval for connection to interceptor . . . PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES TUESDAY, JUNE 5, 1984 page five ENGINEER'S REPORT - continued Water requires City policy decision temporary connection to Chanhassen is one solution Storm Sewer everyone should realize that the detention pond in Freeman Plark will be subject to planned inundation Strawberry Lane problems will require some City work - question as to how its paid for pipe from project to an area drain catch basin paid for by petitioning residents general fund? Also subject to Watershed District recommendation Streets continuous right turn lane starting east of Freeman Park en~ry i streets within to be designed for 30 mph - need horizontal 1nd vertical curve data i I I i commissrn. A written Engineer's Report will be sent to the Planning Discussion - Commission Will there be two Homeowner's Associations, one for single !family and one for townhouses? I Probably only one. I I What about the noise level? I That has not been determined, it will be answered in the E1W. Q. Could you give us some information on the townhouses? Q. A. Q. A. A. (Mr. Johnson) The 29 townhouses will be 3, 4 or 5 units p~r building. They will be for sale and it is unlikely that, with the ex~ense involved, they will be rented out. They will probably be tri-Ievel w~th no basement. Two-thirds of the single family units will be 2 bedroom (w~th expansion room for 2 more). Q. Have you had a neighborhood meeting? A. Yes, only 3 people attended. . . . PLANNING COMMISS ON MEETING TUESDAY, JUNE 5, 1984 page six Q. A. I i I Streets and sewers all at once; houses, we are consideringl trying to market in limited areas, possibly bringing in 4 or 5 more b~ilders, all from Custom I. We (Johnson) will probably build the townhor' sese Is there any kind of warranty when building on swamp land? . Yes, the state has regulations pertaining to warranties on ~ew building, Custom I also has regulations that extend beyond state regu~ations. I Discussion - Commission (continued) How will the project be phased? Q. A. Motions I I Reese moved, Leslie seconded, to recommend to Council to approve ~he sive Plan Amendment for Shorewood Oaks. Motion carried unanimous~y. i Comprehen- , , Leslie moved, Boyd seconded, to recommend to Council to approve tpe Concept Stage for the Planned Unit Development (P.U.D.). Motion carried pnanimously. I I Reese moved, Benson seconded, to recommend to Council to approve ~he Single Family Development Stage subject to the following: 1. Townhouses - the plans and covenants are to be reviewed by ~he Planning Commission. I Reports from MnDOT and the City Engineer regarding the egre~s to Highway 7. Sewer and water available to adjacent users on Highway 7 an~ Strawberry Lane. i Something in writing from the City of Chanhassen, concernink the water hookup, stating their willingness and terms. r Following all the Engineer's recommendations. Following all Watershed District recommendations. EAW completed. Following all recommendations in the Planner's Report. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. Motion carried unanimously. MATTERS FORM THE FLOOR none ADJOURNMENT Boyd moved, seconded by Shaw, to adjourn at 10:35 PM. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED sue 1licc.Wrr) Deputy Clerk . . . CITY OF SHOREWOOD PlANNING COMMISSION MEETING TUESDAY, JULY 10, 1984 COUNGILCHAMBERS 5755 COUNTRY CWE ROAD 7:30 PM MINUTES CALL TO ORDER Chairman Bruce Benson called the meeting to order at 7:50 PM. ROLL CALL Present: Chairman Bruce Benson, Commissioners Mary Boyd, Janft Leslie, Vern Watten (7:50), Richard Spellman (8:15), and Bob Sha (8:17); Planner Brad Nielsen; Council Liaison Kristi Stover, and De uty Clerk Sue Niccum Commissioner Frank Reese (gave Staff a weeks notice Absent: MINUTES Leslie moved, Benson seconded, to approve the minutes Motion carried unanimously. 1984 as written. ATI'ENDANCE of June 5r I Staff was reminded to put note on bottom of the Agenda remin~ Planning Commission members to call Sue if they cannot attend and let her know they will not be there and why. ! i 7: 30 PUBLIC HEARING - ZONING ORDINANCE TElIT AMENTIVlENT Stanley/Joyce Kotzker - 6140-42 Chaska RO:1d Mr. Rafael Vis casillas and Mrs. Joyceann Kotzker were present to explain that they all four own the double bungalow. Mr. Kotzker is now work U1g in Washington and comnuting on weekends. His family plans to join him there in 3 weeks so they wish to divide the double and sell Kotzker's half - Mr. Vi~casillas wishes to retain and live in the other half. . . . PIANNING COMMISSION MEtErING TUESDAY, JULY 10, l~ page two I I I 7: 30 PUBLIC HEARING continued - Kotzker . J Wat~en moved, Leslie seconded, to recommend to Council to amend th ~re~e~t Ordinance to allow double bungalows to be split so each half can b , illdiVldually owned. Motion carried unanimously. Watten moved, Boyd seconded, to recommend to Council to approve th Kotzker- Viscasillas land division contingent upon the Planner's recommenda ions: (Planner's Recorrmendation a. to be amended to read "Separate publi utilities.) a. Separate public utilities should be provided prior to the release of the Council resolution approving the request. The City Attorney should review and comment on the proposed roperty maintenance agreement. I The division and the approved maintenance agreement should b' recorded wi th the County wi thin 30 days of the applicant's receipt of I the Council resolution. b. c. Motion carried unanimously. VARIANCE REQUEST - LAKE SHORE SEI'BACK Pamela Kizer - 21115 Christmas Lane Pamela Kizer was present to request a setback variance to build a !Oathouse with- in the 50 foot setback on Christmas lake. She said the present st rage shed has been there many years. They would like to replace it because ther is a steep bank down to the lake, which would involve several difficult tripsleverytime they want to use the lake, and they would like to keep their possession$ down by the lake, in a locked building, to prevent theft. Commissioner Boyd asked if there was any way the building could be set back farther into the hill. Mrs. Kizer didn't see any problem with that' she just said the building size would have to be different. They had been ~scussing a size of 13' x 8' - 10', in order to store a sailboard. I Mrs. Robert Nevin said she didn't realize it would be so high. I' Planner Nielsen mentioned that the DNR allows buildings next to th water. Years ago the City choose to be more restrictive, and passed an ordinanc to that effect. i I Spellman moved, Watten seconded, to recorrmend to Council to deny the variance. Motion carried - 6 ayes - 1 nay (Benson) . . . SIMPIE SUBDIVISION Cliff Brandhorst - 27225 Smithtown Road i PIANNING COMMISSION clrEErING TUESDAY, JULY 10, IT page three i i Mr. Brandhorst was present to explain that he has approximatelY~. 75 acres. At present he wishes to divide his property into 3 lots. Eventuall, he wishes to divide it into 1 acre lots but cannot afford to do so at this t. e. Spellman moved, Shaw seconded, to recommend to Council to approv$ the Subdivision subject to the Planner's recommendations: I I i It is recommended that the City require a development agreemen for the property which incorporates the resubdi vision sketch as a guide for fut e development of the site. The agreement should also stipulate that any fut e development of the property will be done by formal platting procedure in conf rmance with the Shorewood Subdivision Ordinance. Prior to the City, signing the development agreement and releasfng the Council resolution approving the SUb,di, . vision,easem, ents for drainage ~d utilities should be required around all lot lines. The applicant must also pay $1,000 ($500 per lot) in park dedication fees. Credit is given for the lot wit the existing home on it. I Once the development agreement is completed and signed, the ap~licant must record the division and agreement with the County wi thin 30 days. 1 ! Motion carried unanimously. SIMPIE SUBDIVISION - VARIANCE REQUEST - LOT WIDI'H James Heiland - 25605 Smithtown Road I Mr. Heiland was present to explain that he wants to divide his ptoperty into three parcels. He is selling the present house and will build a neW~h' e in the south- west comer. He also wants to combine 5800 square feet in, the n rhteast comer wi th his present Commercial business, ,bringing it up to appro. tely 20,000 square feet. Mr. Reutiman mentioned that the variance for the entrance on Smi t.htown Road was already accepted by the Council 5 or 6 years ago. I I Watten moved, Shaw seconded, to recorrmend to Council that the S~Ple SUb, division and Variance be granted contingent upon the Planner's recOmmendaiions: (Please note: recommendations #7 and #8 were given verbally at the meeting and are to be included in the motion) I 1. Zoning. The property is zoned R-2, with the exception of he eastermost 68 feet which is zoned R-1. This is not considered a prob em since the house lot well exceeds the requirements for even an R-l di trict. It is suggested that the zoning boundaries be left as is until t e new Zoning Ordinance and Zoning Map are adopted. At that time, the b undaries should be adjusted to include all of the property in the R-2 Dist ict. . . PlANNING CCMvlISSI MEEI'ING TUESDAY, JULY 10, 1984 page four 2. Access. It is recommended that the provided 50 foot strip public right-of-way in terms of building setbacks.TI1at w remaining property is developed and a road is put in, the s not be nonconforming. e treated as a , when the ructures will i I 3. FUture Development. It is recommended that a resubdivision sketch be recorded with the subdivision. This should be incorporated into a development agreement between the applicant and the City as a guide- line for future development. The development agreement sho d also stipulate that any future subdivision of the 3.7 acres will be platted in accordance with the shorewood Subdivision Ordinance. I ! 4. Outlot. The northermost 5800 square feet is b~ing left as ~ remnant parceL The applicant I s intention is to combine it with. the propertJt on which his auto repair business is located in order to 111ake that prope~ty 20,000 square feet in area. The City will have to decide whether qr not to adjust the C-2 district boundary to include the 5800 square feet 0* leave the resul ting parcel divided between the R-2 and c-2 districts. i Given the City's decision not to rezone the C-2 parcel to residentialJ it may be reasonable to bring it into compliance with C~2 standards by increasing its size. ' 5. Existing Buildings. As shown on Exhibit B, there are three I existing accessory buildings on the 3.7 acre parcel. Mr. Heiland ha$ requested a variance to allow him to keep the buildings for storage purloses until he is able to build his new home on the lot. . If this is atlowed, it is recommended that the variance only extend for one year. I If a building permit has not been applied for by that time, the buildings I must be removed. i 6. i Drainage and Utility Easements. If the division is approve~, easements for drainage and utilities should be provided around each Pfrcel. The south ~ of the east 68' is a separate lot, this must bel combined with remainder of the property to the west. 7. , I I 8. There is a large vacant piece of property behind (south) t~ Heiland property. due to the fact that, if this property is ever . vided it would be landlocked, Mr. Heiland must consider the possibiloty that when he subdivides a platted road to the South property may be n~cessary. This should be reflected in the resubdivision sketch. I I Based upon the preceding comments, it is recorIimended that the s bdi vi son and variances be granted subject to the conditions listed herein be' included in a development agreement between the City and the owner. The applicant should have a new survey prepared, containing new legal descrip ions for the three parcels and combining the 5800 square feet with his busin ss property. Once the development agreement is completed and signed, it sho d be recorded wi th the subdi vi son wi thin 30 days. . Motion carried unanimously. , . . PLANNING C SSION MEEI'ING TUESDAY, JUL 10, 1984 page five SIMPLE SUBDIVISION - VARIANCE REQUEST - wr AREA Irma French - 23C325 Smithtown Road lma French and Judi Sellnow were present to request a diviSi4 into 2 lots, one 20,000 square feet and one 19,000 square feet. , i Shaw moved, Leslie seconded, to recarmend to Council to approv1 the Simple Subdi vision/Variance continguent upon the Planner's recarmendation to provide a 20 foot driveway easement across the southern portiorl1 of the westerly lot, giving the easterly lot access to Minnetonka Dri e. Motion carried unanimously. VARIANCE REQUEST - SETBACK ADJOINING A R.O.W. Thomas Doherty - 20375 Manor Road Mr. Doherty was present to request a variance for a swimming ,01. He explained that the topography of his land is such that he is v ry limited as to a site. Spellman moved, Watten seconded, to recorrrnend to Council to derbY the original request and location. 3 ayes - 3 nays - Motion died. 1- Shaw moved, Be. nson seconded, to recarmend to Council to apprOVej'the variance based on Exhibit C of the Planner's Report, dated 26 June 1984 I Motion carried unanimously. i i SIMPLE SUBDIVISION Doug De Malignon - 5935 Country Club Road . Mr. Doug De Malignon asked for a simple subdivision allowing t to rearrange his lot lines in order to build a double garage to the north 0 the single attached garage. I Shaw moved, Benson seconded, to recOlIInend to Council to accept the simple sub- division (changed lot line) contingent upon the following con tions: 1.) Both lots must remain at least 40,000 square feet in size; and 2.) th lots must be at least 120 feet wide. Motion carried unanimously. I REQUEST FUR RECONSIDERATION - SHOREWOOD OAKS ! i ! Mr. Geoff Martin of Shorewood Oaks appeared before the Pl~ Commission to request reconsideration from the Planning Corrrnission. I Corrrnission explained that there is nothing they can do at this I time. , Corrrnissioner Shaw asked Council Liaison Stover to request a IJtter from the Council telling the Planning Corrrnission why it was turned down 1 so that they can re-explore these areas. They also would like any added info:rmj3-tion that the Council had, that the Planning Commission hasn't seen. I I , . . PlANNING C~' SSION MEEI'ING TUESDAY, JUL 10, 1984 page six I , 9:00 PUBLIC HEARING - FIRE lANE, STUDY ~' Planner Nielsen began by telling the audience of concerned ci tiz ns that, according to the attorney, these "fire lanes" are all City of Sh rewood street rights-of-way (R.O.W.). He said that this hearing is not being ~ld to make a decision, but only the first stage of a study process to gather' ormation: requests for use, complaints ~ general and specific comments, his ory of "fire lanes", etc. The information will then be studied and will be u ed in the formation of a policy. There are 11 "fire Lanes" involved: I ! I I 33'" I Chairman Bruce Benson said that the Planning Corrrnission has rec~ived letters regarding "fire lanes" from the following people: I Howard C. Lerohl 25585 Birch Bluff Road I William R. Dickson 26245" " " I Wallace E./Judith A. King 25620""" i Richard E. Lurie 26310"" I William R. Dickson (2nd Letter) 26245" " Fred Lounsbury 25990 " Mari Reeves Kooi 25760 " Frank E. Pilley III 25560 " Ronald A. Kokesh 26220 " Bill/Cindy Clifford 26215 " Alberta Olson 25575 " Renea Olson 25575 " Evelyn and Gale Olson 25575 " #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6 #7 #8 #9 #10 #11 Enchanted Point Shady Island (access to lift Grant Lorenz Road Third Street Eureka Road Crescent Beach (actual Beach) Timber Lane Ferncroft station) Ivy Lane Rustic Way Rustic Way (South) (North) 24' 15' 33' 25' 66' 33' 20' wide " " " " 33' i " and tarers " " 33' 40' " " " , PLANNING CCMvI SSION MEEl'ING TUESDAY, JULY 10, 1984- page seven The following people signed a list indicating they wished to cdent: Judy Marshall-5320 Eureka Road - presented uses for "fire lan s": boat launching, canoe launching, swimming, snowmobile access, picni s, swing sets. Jim t<1arshall-5320 Eureka Road - in favor of utilization and kejPing all 11 "fire lanes" open - submitted petition dated October 1983 requ sting keeping them open. Don Sprengler-25655 Birch Bluff Road - mentioned that last fal it had been suggested that other cities policies regarding "fire lanes" be Istudied. Chairman Bruce Benson read information regarding"fire lanes" fr9 the following cities: Minnetrista, Mound, Victoria, Spring Park, Deephaven, Oono, Tonka Bay, and Excelsior. i Francelyne Lurie-26310 Birch Bluff Road - mostly here to liste~ and learn - (see husband's letter) i . Jan Kokesh-26260 Birch Bluff Road - will be sending letter (SEe husband's letter) Ron Kokesh-26260 Birch Bluff Road - his surveyor feels the COl nty survey on "fire lane" ( Grant Lorenz) #3 is wrong - he had a title search done - this was brought to Council's attention in the past - "It's about time E omebody deals with these 'fire lanes'''. I Plarmer Nielsen commented that Fire Marshall Bill Rand has a map!and will check all "fire lanes" to see if they're usable for firE: protection. Kevin Kokesh-26260 Birch Bluff Road - no canment Stephen Davis, AttorneY-555 Peavey Building, Minneapolis - no canment lVII'S. Roger Laven-4420 Co. Rd. 123, Mayer, IvIN 55360 - are we tR 'ne: about clos- ing the "fire lanes" or making better use of them? Plarmer Nielsen said it is too premature to answer this question. The purpose of this study is to determine what to do with them. I I Mrs. Laven - the "fire lanes" (#3-Grant Lorenz, #4-Third Streetl & #5-Eureka Road) were given to the City by Mr. Mann to be left open for PUrliC use forever. Plarmer Nielsen said "forever" is standard language for any street dedication. i i Mary Pilley-25560 Birch Bluff Road - Mr. Mann only dedicated 33 ~ - the lane is 66'. I . Evelyn 01son-25775 Birch Bluff Road - letter sent I Gayle H. Clyborne-25625 Birch Bluff Road - nothing to say but lE tter to submit . . . PLANNING COMM SION MEETING TUESDAY, JULY 10, 1984- page eight Renea Olson-25T75 Birch Bluff ,Road - what would make you close the "fire lanes"? Why don't the people complaining about problems report them to [the police so something is done to correct them? Gale E. 01son-25T75 Birch Bluff Road - I feel children, particu arly, benefit frOm being able to fish and enjoy the lake, its a nice part of srowing up. I I d hate to see them lose this privilege. Sandra Hotvet-26420 Edgewood Road - I I m here for the education, I Leo C. Meloche-26120 Birch Bluff Road - I recommend that the "f~re lanes" on Birch Bluff Road stay open. I Joan Russe11-Go1den Valley - the historic use should be considet-d. James Russell-1566 Quebec North, Golden Valley - MY Dad has own~d the property next to #4 - Third Street since 1950. It has had very little u~e by the public. I don't think it is appropriate to use small areas for boat lau1ching, picnics, etc. - I think Mr. Mann may have inserted the accesses to make us off-the-lake property more valuable. Ginny Soule-4595 Enchanted Point - will they be treated individlBlly or as a group? I I Jim Thibault-4565 Enchanted Point - should they be based on past use? Gene Ruffenach-25725 Birch Bluff Road - public streets should b1 able to be used by all residents, not just the people on the lake - every kid sEould learn to fish- it's time for people to stand up and let the City know w~t they want. Wallace King-25620 Birch Bluff Road - have letter. I Jerry Carroll-Attorney/Wallace King-HOO 1st Bank Place West-Mp s-55402 - expressed concerns over City's liability- if the dock construc ion is allowed with City Council approval, the Council better figure out a way I to regulate it- if dock is allowed City should assume responsibility for enforc$ment - all streets in Minnesota are dedicated forever and open to public u$e by all people, not just Shorewood residents. I i:.;d.'tvard Soner-26100 Birch Bluff Road - here to listen and learn I I Dick Putnam-Representing Upper Lake Yacht Club-2765 Casco Point Road-Wayzata -The Board of Directors asked me to attend this meeting as they are property owners adjacent to "fire lane" #1 (Enchanted Point). I'm glad the City is looking at them. You will have arguments but that I s part of thE study. Edith Wang-21105 Minnetonka Blvd. - what about vacation? . PAINNING C SSION MEETING TUESDAY, JULY 10, 1984- page nine Planner Nielsen said the current unwritten policy of the Council .s that no "fire lanes" will be vacated. , i Bob Reutiman-5915 Galpin Lake Road - to my knowledge, only 2 "~ire lanes" have been vacated, one a long time ago and the other on Edgewo~d Road next to Ridingers. e' Planner Nielsen said they are asking for characteristics of "fir lanes". Once a direction has been established, another hearing will be h~ld. ! Mr. Marshall suggested taking pictures. ~' Jenny Sexton expressed 2 concerns about Birch Bluff "fire lane"; would it become a "County Road 15 Fishing Alley"? Can the City afford 0 maintain them? i Gale Olson Jr. - I don't forsee that much trouble with parking - most of the people that use the "fire lanes" are walkers. Bob Reutiman - they can be regulated by permit Stephen Davis - was width part of the classification? criteria in the Tonka ~ I "fire lane" . Planner Nielsen said yes. Whats the current setback from the street? Planner Nielsen - 50 feet When were the ordinances adopted? I Planner Nielsen - the most recent Zoning Ordinance was adopted 0 1973 I I Watten moved, Boyd seconded, to continue the Public Hearing untiJ( August 7, 1984. Motion carried - 4 ayes (Watten, Boyd, Leslie and Benson) - 2lS (Spellman and Shaw) MATTERS FRCM 'IRE Fl.OOR none REPORTS Council Liaison Kristi Stover reported: New Liquor Store Manager - Mr. Bill Josephson started Monday, quly 9, 1984. . New Finance Carrni ttee Member - Mr. Michael Fonte has joined th1 Finance Carrnittee. . . . PIANNING cxJsSION MEEl'ING TllESDAY, JULY 10, 1984 page ten Meeting - July 25, 1984 - Wat~r Opinion - Mr. Dean Spatz will ppear before the Council to share corrments regarding the MuniciPal Water Is ue. Playground Equipnent - was installed at Badger Park and will b installed at Manor Park in the future. i ! Fence Permit - Permission granted to Sue Morgan/Linda Scott, 5t35 Shady Lane. Richard Gay-Variance Request - Denied - felt it could be built; without variance. Chanhassen Force Main - Chanhassen residents asked Shorewood tb request a Resolution in favor of a force main, rather than a gravity lin. Council moved to submit letter requesting a decision delay until matter stu ed in depth. Fred Nephew-Drainage - Motion made to request more information before acting on this matter. Shorewood Oaks - denied - "findings of fact" to be drawn by City Attorney. I Tri vesco - Comprehensive Plan Text Amendment and Concept Stage Plan approved. Deputy Clerk Sue Niccum gave the Park Report: , ! Festival of Parks - Park Commission took a vote and decided th~y would not resume the Festival next year using the format that has been ufed for the last two years. I , I Century Club ~ will be continued Tonka Men I s Club - Ballfield - Tony Studer appeared to say the I Men's Club wants to build, represent and maintain a Little League Field ~ Freeman Park. It was suggested that it be built where the BMX Track n~w exists, because of road expense to other area at this time. I Fire Lanes - motion made to recommend limited access to launch small boats. ADJOURNMENT Spellman moved, Benson seconded, to adjourn at 11:15 PM. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITI'ED Sue Niccum, Deputy Clerk . , , CITY IF SHOREWOOD REGUL R PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TUESD Y, AUGUST 21, 1984 i COUNCIL rHAMBERS 5755 COU TRY CLUB ROAD 7 :30 PM M I NUT E S CALL TO ORDER Chairman Bruce Benson called the meeting to order at 7:30 PM. ROLL CALL Present: Chairman B~uce Benson, Commissioners Mary Reese, Richard Spellman and Janet Leslie; Deputy Clerk Sue Niccum. Boyd, Ver~ Watten, Frank Planner 1rad Nielsen and Absent: Commissioner Robert Shaw MINUTES The minutes of August 13, 1984 will be approved at a later date I CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING - FIRE LANE STUDY Planner Brad Nielsen gave a report on comments from the South Public Safety Department and the Excelsior Fire Department. Lf I Minnetonka Po lice The Police Department stated that there is no significant involving "fire lanes" in Shorewood. I hisqory i I of complaints Fire Fire Chief Bill Rand informed the City of Shorewood that the '1fire lanes" no longer serve the needs of the fire department - unless they a4e upgraded. the City Council, Planni9g Commission of the "fire lanes" in Q1estion and i Chairman Bruce Benson invited the audience to make comments, as~ing them if they would refrain from repeating issues that have already been Idiscussed. Planner Nielsen, along with members of and Park Commission, visited everyone reviewed them all on 11 August 1984. Bill Dixon - 26245 Birch Bluff Road Mr. Dixon explained that he had a problem at one time with hi~' boat being parked all night at the dock (Eureka), and that he had receiv d a letter from Doug Uhrhammer, and had talked to Mr. Uhrhammer and the ity Council, and was told that he could not park his boat there on a perma ent basis. Public portion of the publi hearing closed at 7:45 PM. . , , REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSI N MINUTES Tuesday, August 21, 1984 page two Reports on "fire lanes" visited. #1 - Enchanted Island A gravel road that looks like a driveway leads to the end. Th~ Upper Lake Minnetonka Yacht Club borders one side, and there is a questio on the boundary on that side. Planner Nielsen suggested that the Yac t Club survey be examined to determine the exact property line. The beach i quite sandy and flat. It is felt that there may not be a need on the isla d for a beach as everyone already has lakeshore, and a parking problem would be created by outside use. I I #2 - Shady Island I This is approximately 15' wide with a lift station on the lake~end. It was used as a beach at one time. The residents have taken care of it. Similar to #1, the residents already have lakeshore, and outside use w uld create a parking problem. #3 - Grant Lorenz This had a blacktopped surface at one time and boats could be ~railered in one at a time. This area is wooded. A neighbor indicates tha~ he can document that the width is 25'. The beach has a pebbly sandy ~ottom. There appears to have been some erosion, and the neighbor has done s me landscap- ing to prevent his yard from eroding into the "fire lane". : The Commission discussed the fact that there is a definite pro lane. A neighboring house is only 18' from the "fire lane". the proximity, snowmobiles do create a problem. It was sugges Commissioner Benson that Planner Nielsen check with the Waters to see if they would cooperate on a fence variance if the City variance lem on this ecause of ed by ed District grees to the #4 - 3rd Street This is approximately 25' in width, with a gradual slope betwelen 2 buildings (east one is seasonal). There is a gravel driveway leading dOfn toward the lake. It has a fairly decent looking bottom. . , Planner Nielsen stated that none of the "fire lanes" offer any plarking except on the street and he feels that this should be considered in th: decision. Park Commissioner Mary Kooi mentioned that this "lane" is use for cross country skiing. I #5 - Eureka i This is the widest "lane" at 66'. There is a very steep droPiith an existing dock. The residents say they had Council approval for the do k but nothing can be found in the minutes. Residents say restrictions were placed on use. Permission was given to upgrade a stairway on the very west silde of the property. Judy Marshall said that they had wanted to ran the.1,stairway aP the center but Engineer Mittelsteadt said it had to remain wh re it was. The wooden stairway is approximately 10 years old and the sto e stairway dates from the early 1900's. . This is the most controversial "fire lane", without adequate oom for parking. . t ~ REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSI N MEETING ~1 AUGUST 1984 page tnDee Commissioner Spellman questioned whether LMCD permission was f.. eeded for the existing dock. Mr. Marshall said that 1974 was the first year that LMCD controlled docks, existing docks were not affected, and the doc on this site was an existing dock. #6 - Crescent Beach . I This "fire lane" has been developed as a beach. Two-thirds, ofl the beach is owned by Tonka Bay and is maintained jointly between the two cities. I flenced is the 1eeded #5 - Eureka continued #7 - Timber Lane This area has been maintained by someone. It is grassed and a dock at the end. The beach area is weedy and mucky. This lane"that has a potential for parking. Permission would be Hennepin County Regional Railroad Authorities. and has one "fire from *All four of these "fire lanes" are on Lake William. This lake lis not considered a good recreation lake, it is full of leeches, and Ithe fishing is poor. #8 - Ferncroft This is overgrown and wooded with a very severe slope. #9 - Ivy Lane This is a long "fire lane". It is mostly maintained as it nears the lake it also becomes very steep in slope. yard, lalthough as I ! #10 - Rustic Way (South) This is gentler in slope but very heavily wooded with dense u1derbrush. #11 - Rustic Way (North) This "fire lane" is very heavily wooded with a steep drop. Commission Discussion Watten - doesn't think they should be vacated, possibly turn,d over to Park Commission, so that Park Regulations can be followed. He sug ested Tonka Bay's method. I I Leslie - agrees with Watten, would also like to see protectio1 for adjacent homeowners. Also has mixed emotions about dock. I Spellman - thinks there should be strict rules. Boyd - Police enforcement of rules. Benson - concerned about liability and insurance, risky pathw1Y on Eureka. I I . t - REGULAR PLANNING COMMISS ON MEETING TUESDAY, AUGUST 21, 1984 page four Watten moved, Reese seconded, to reGamEnd to Council the Planni g Commission's willingness to work on an Ordinance as directed by Council cont ining the following conditions: 1. The accesses shall be retained as public property. 2. A survey of each "fire lane" should be prepared. 3. The "lanes" shall be defined by fences or markers. 4. The "lanes" shall be assigned to the Park Commission and Park ru~es and regulations. 5. Each access shall be considered individually. 6. The "lanes" shall be maintained by the City. Motion carried unanimously by Roll Call Vote. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR none REPORTS subject to Shorewood Oaks - Park Commission - Discussion on drainage, the Park Commission appeared satisfied with Shorewood Oak's presentation. Tonka Men I s Club - appeared before the Park Commission to discluss building a Little League Field in Freeman Park. Nothing will be decided I',until they talk to other people involved. Trivesco - The Park Commission will not make a recommendation until they are guaranteed 10 acres of land. ADJOURNMENT Watten moved, Spellman seconded, to adjourn at 9:12 PM. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED Sue Niccum Deputy Clerk I . . CITY OF SHOREWOOD REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 4, 1984 COUNCIL CHAMBER~ 5755 COUNTRY CL BROAD 7:30 PM I M I NUT E S CALL TO ORDER Chairman Bruce Benson called the meeting to order at 7:48 PM. ROLL CALL Present: Chairman Bruce Benson, Commissioners Watten, Reese, ISpellman, Leslie and Boyd; Planner Brad Nielsen and Deputy Clerk sUl' Niccum. APPROVAL OF MINUTES I August 13, 1984 - These minutes will be approved at a later dat1' August 21, 1984 Watten moved, Leslie seconded, that there be an amendment to th I minutes of August 21, 1984. Please add: "Planning Commission discussed dock installation and desirabi ity. It was suggested it be deferred until an Ordinance is developed, or it is discussed in more detail." Motion carried unanimously. I I 21 '1 I 1984 as Watten moved, Boyd seconded, to accept the minutes of August amended. Motion carried unanimously. SIMPLE SUBDIVISION - ALBERT HOOPS - 26675 SMITHTOWN ROAD Mr. Albert Hoops and Mr. George Larson appeared to explain thatjMr. Hoops is requesting approval to divide a site of approximately 5.86 acre into two parcels, a 3.3 acre parcel, from the rear of the property, that he intends to sell to Mr. Larson (who is the owner of the property directly est); and a 2.56 acre parcel to the north, with the house on it, that he ma~ divide into 2 lots at a later date. I Commissioner Leslie - Is there any agreement in writing? Mr. Larson - Yes, we have a contract. Commissioner Leslie - Is the intent to develop the whole area~ I I Leslie moved, Boyd seconded, to recommend to Council to approveia simple sub- division contingent upon the Planner's recommendation that Mr. oops prepares the appropriate surveys and legal descriptions. Motion carried unanimously. Mr. Larson - Yes, it is. I . . REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSI N MEETING TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 4, 198 page two SITE PLAN REVIEW - AUTO SALES LOT - RICHARD MOORE - 24470 SMITHT WN ROAD Mr. Richard Moore appeared before the Commission with a request ~o construct a 40' x 100' metal sales building for display and protection of sp~cialty cars. Q. Benson Why is your building located so far back? A. Moore - for security reasons. Q. Les lie - Do you own it? A. Moore - Yes. Q. Reese Would repair of vehicles be done there? A. Moore - No, it would be hired out. Q. Watten - How good a metal building do you propose putting upr A. Moore - I'm dealing with Lester's (At this point Mr. Moorel passed literature from Lester's amongst the Commission). Q. Watten - Have you considered other building material? A. Moore - I like and prefer a metal building. Q. Would raising the building elevation 3 feet make a ['difference in the number of cars and parking? Planner Nielsen - No. There is adequate room for the requir~d parking as per the Zoning Ordinance requirement. Boyd A. Commissioner Reese showed concern over how the building would bel classified as long as it can be sold. Planner Nielsen said that actually the Irequirements are more for an auto sales building than an office or retail bUif'lding, an office building would require 20 parking spaces, an auto sales b ilding requires 36 parking spaces. He also questioned the driving surface. Pia ner Nielsen said that the City has no requirements for paving, the decision is up to the City Engineer. I i Mr. Moore saild that he I I Commissioner Leslie asked about the phasing plan. planned to do the building first. Commissioner Watten asked if any limitations can be put on use. i Planner Nielsen said the property is C-3, auto sales is a permitted use and if ~t meets the Ordinance it will be allowed. I i Planner Nielsen said the building will meet State Building Code ~eqUirements. , Commissioner Watten asked Planner Nielsen if there were any res~rictions under C-3 that Mr. Moore should be made aware of. Planner Nielsen re d the restric~ tions and said that Mr. Moore meets the requirements. He explained that Mr. Moore has agreed to a 50' setback form the rear because of the residential condominiums proposed to the north. I i I . . REGULAR PLANNING COMMISS ON MEETING TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 4, 19~4 page three SITE PLAN REVIEW - AUTO SALES LOT - RICHARD MOORE - 24470 SMITH~OWN ROAD - continued The Commission expressed concern over drainage. The City EnginEer's report indicates: " Runoff from this lot is to the north which contributes to tle existing drainage problem area at Glen Road and County Road 19. The rate of runoff after development should not exceed the rate before developnent~ A small storm water holding area may be required on the north end 01 th~ lot. The plan should be submitted to the Watershed District for theil review and affirmation of whether a holding pond is necessary". I ! Commissioner Spellman expressed concern over portable curbstops1' wondering how they could remain in one place and keep rock from spreading, wh n the snow plow would be working in the area. Watten moved, Spellman seconded, to recommend to Council to approve the request subject to the following five (5) Planner's recommendations: 1. The existing gravel driveway in front of the property sholld be changed to provide at least 15 feet of setback area. 2. i I I 5' from the edg~s of the parking setbacks. Wheelstops or curbstones should be placed and display areas to maintain the minimum I maintained I for 3. The easterly side of the site should be designated and customer parking only. 4. The applicant must acquire approval of property owners to the west, north and east for the proposed six foot fence. 5. Grading, drainage and utilities should be subject to by the City Engineer. revier I and approval Motion carried unanimously. Commissioner Reese asked that the minutes show his concern over It he 1 hour rated wall and roof assembly of the metal building. I I SETBACK VARIANCE - STEVEN TURNER - 23980 YELLOWSTONE TRAIL Mr. and Mrs. Steven Turner were present to request a 10' front y~rd setback variance to build a third attached garage onto the two existing garages. Mr. Turner wants a third garage to store snowmobiles and boat trailers. He said there is no other way to place a third garage, that he would havpto cut down a 100 year old sugar maple. He said the house was put on the lot wrong 25 years ago, it would be very difficult to build a detached garage because of the steep hilly banks. One corner of the garage would be 44 feet from the road. The expense would be a lot greater on a separate garage, he would keep the same lines as the other two garages so it would blend in. I . . REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION r' EETING TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 4, 1984 page four I i Spellman moved, Reese seconded, to recommend to Council to deny,the motion. Motion died by Roll Call vote. (Spellman/Reese - aye)(Benson/L slie/Boyd/ Watten - nay) Leslie moved, Boyd seconded, to recommend to Council to approve the setback variance. Motion carried by Roll Call vote. (Spellman/Reese - nay)(Benson/ Leslie/Boyd/Watten - aye) Spellman stated his reason for nay was the Planner's Report. ADJOURNMENT Watten moved, Spellman seconded, to adjourn at 8:46 PM. Motion carried unanimously. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED Sue Niccum Deputy Clerk . . . CITY OF SHOREWOOD REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TUESDAY, OCTOBER 2, 1984 I i I I COUNCIL C~AMBERS 5755 COUN]RY CLUB 7 : 30 PM I I ROAD M I NUT E S CALL TO ORDER Chairman Bruce Benson called the meeting to order at 7:40 PM. ROLL CALL Present: Chairman Benson, Commissioners Reese, Vogt and Deputy Clerk Niccum. Leslie and BOld: Administrator and ,pellman I I Absent: Commissioners Watten (excused), APPROVAL OF MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 4, 1984 , Leslie moved, Boyd seconded, to appro~e the minutes of Septembe1 4, 1984 as written. Motion carried unanimously. I 7:30 PUBLIC HEARING - REZONING FROM R~4 to R-C - 5580 COUNTY RD. 19 - ANGIE KOENIG Applicant withdrew request. VARIANCE - FRONT YARD SETBACK - JOHN ~UCE - 5855 RIDGE ROAD Mr. John Luce appeared to request a g~rage setback 20', rather tihan the required 50', from Ridge Road. He cited topography Ca.steep slope reqUi~ing con.siderable fill and a large retaining wall along the easterly side of the riveway needed to hold the fill - this is with the v~riance, without it much m re would be need ed) as his reason. His architect and Engineer have revie~ed the area at length is the best solution. The wall will pegin at 10' and taper fortij.ewall have been approved by the Engineer. I and Ifeel that this to ~'. The plans i Commissioner Leslie asked if the City Engineer has seen this an4 was told yes by Administrator Vogt. i Council to appr~ve the variance upon the follow~ng Planner's Leslie moved, seconded by Boyd, to re~ommend to request for a 20' front yard setback ~ontingent recommendations: 1. The landing at the top of the driveway should be enlarged to accomodat; 2 cars (Mr. Luce said this has ~lready been done). 2. The plans for the retaining wall and foundation walls for ,both the garage and the house should be reviewe~ by the City Engineer for Itheir structural I ability to withstand lateral pr~ssures from the soil. I 3. Proposed drainage will also be ~ubject to review and apprqval by the City Engineer. Particular attention must be paid to erosion c~ntrol m.easures during and after construction. The City Engineer has sug ested that hay bales or some other method of diverting water be placed a ove the excava- tion area to prevent it from washing out. . . . VARIANCE - JOHN LUCE - continued Motion carried unanimously. PLANNING COMMIS~ION MINUTES TUESDAY, OCTOBEI 2, 1984 page two VARIANCE REQUEST - EXPANSION OF A NONCONFORMING RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ERIC DANSER - 21640 LILAC DRIVE i Mrs. Danser was present. This variarce request is to add a 16' Ix 20' single story addition onto a nonconforming structure. The addition wo~ld be to the rear of the house and conform with both rear and side setbaCkS.~ Reese moved, Leslie seconded, to reccmmend to Council to approv the variance request for expansion of a nonconforning structure, as recommen ed by the City Planner. Motion carried unanimously. VARIANCE REQUEST - EXPANSION OF A NO~CONFORMING RESIDENTIAL STRWCTURE LARRY DE WITT - 28090 WOODSIDE ROAD i ! Ernest O'Neill, current owner and Larry DeWitt, prospective bUYfr, appeared before the Commission. Mr. O'Neill said that the sale of th~ property is contingent up He pointed out two differences from the Verdoorn example used i Report. 1) His neighbor, Mr. Ellis' house is 70' from the prop grove of trees in between the two hones, and; 2) The two feet w difficulty with the garage. He also said it would ruin the lin n the variance. the Planner's rty line with a 11 create a vast s of the house. Mr. DeWitt pointed out that when the house was built in 1959, tfe setback was eight feet and the house was a confolming structure. He alsos idthat he felt that moving the proposed additions beck two feet would ruin the lines of the house and lower the value. Mr. Ellis, the neighbor to the south said he has inspected the! drawings and he doesn't have any concerns. He sa d that being 70' from the !roperty line plus having a large grove of trees bE tween them, he can't see a y problem with the variance. He said he applauds tIe attempt to improve a lov ly old house. Commission discussed the question of a procedure setting proble . can be redesigned to limi~ the noncon- Commissioner Benson said he thinks i formity. I i Boyd moved, Benson seconded, to recor~end to Council to deny th~ Motion carried unanimously. variance. Ms. Carol Brown asked to make a statEment. She said when you h~ve a property as large as this and as valuable as thi , and you have an architec~ design it to begin with, then you have an archite. t now add to the house, it! has to be in conformity with the actual style and value of the house. This~ouse is so unique that for the architect to do less t an first class would be di~ficult. . . . PLANNING COMMISS ON MINUTES TUESDAY, OCTOBER 2, 1984 page three 8:00 PUBLIC HEARING - PRELIMINARY PLAT - HARDING ACRES The Public Hearing opened at 8:07 PM. Mr. Ed Otto and Mr. Bernard Harding were present to submit a pre 1m1nary plat for property located in the northeast quadrant of the intersecti n of Smithtown Road and Wedgewood Drive. Property is zoned R-2 and is approxim tely 10.8 acres. They propose 18 single family lots, to be phased, 7 lots on exis ing streets first. Comments from audience: ! ! thrt there is a George Latterner-25295 Smithtown Road - Mr. Latterner feels discrepancy in the lot line abutting his property. Commissioner Benson explained to Mr. Latterner that he would havr', to contact an attorney or another surveyor to pursue this problem. I I Mr. Ed Otto told Mr. Latterner that his land is a Registered Lan~ Survey, and that they had measured from the markers on Mr. Latterner's prope~ty. to the prop~sed development. for road. ~e went down and to ld him i tl looks like 10' property, h~ is concerned ! Traffic situation, noise and speeding, on Wedgewood road is b~d and this will make it worse. Why wasn't Wedgewood continued into County ROar 19? The area on the north end of Wedgewood is already a fire hazard. , I I Commissioner Benson explained to Mr. Force that Planner Nielsen ~as not request- ing 5' of easement from him at this time, however, if he subdiv~des his property, he wi 11 then be asked for the easement. ' Mr. John Force-25380 Smithtown Road - No objection Does object to having the City take 5' of his land got a survey map of his property and the man there of the paved surface of the road is already on his about this. Chuck Amlaw-25270 Smithtown Road - Says he understands that t~e property to be developed is actually 9.5 acres, not the 10.8 acres mentioned,in the Planner's Report. He is concerned with the lot sizes, house sizes and hat it will do to the value of his just under 2 acre property. He wanted to know if the house size can be regulated by the City. i Commission Benson said the house size is up to the developer. Mr. Amlaw objects to the cul-de-sac on his lose 1/8th of an acre. He also feels that two driveways coming together at the south sufficent. property. He does ~ot want to if he did subdivid~ his property, end of Harding Ave1ue would be I , Commissioner Benson said that he didn't think the cul-de-sac wo~ld go in unless Mr. Amlaw developed, and that they couldn't just take his land. j PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES TUESDAY, OCTOBER 2, 1984 page four . Bob McDougall-25110 Glen Road - Mr. McDougall is concerned wit the direct effect of opening Glenn Road. The road is not designed to carry more traffic, the surface on the 12'-13' Glen Road would present a problem. Entering unto County Road 19 would be dangerous as the traffic on it is already bad. He recognizes the valid concern over the length of the road regarding emergency vehicles, but feels the negative aspects involved in connecti the roads outweigh the good that would be done. He feels that to attac the roads, widen the road, assess the Glenn Road residents to benefit the new property would indeed be ironic. Roger Fishbasch-24885 Glenn Road - Glen Road is almost a singlle lane road. There are no sidewalks and our children have no place to ride Itheir bikes and play except in the road. Added traffic will create a dangerol's situation. It also seems as if the City is out to benefit developers and doesn't care about it's longterm residents. The City bends over backwards Ifor the developers and the people end up getting assessed to benefit development'l Jerry Meier-25135 Glen Road - You can't blame the developer, ~e was not the one that suggested connecting the roads. The residents were not 1ven consulted as to their opinions. He doesn't feel the road would be able to handle the in~ creased traffic and urges the Planning Commission not to do itl. . Jim Hohan-5525 Manitou Lane - People bought and built in t;his was a dead end, and their child~en would be protect~d. If the connected the residents on Wedgewood would also use the road County Road 19 and create more traffic problems. I would lik Road remain as it is, with the same width and accessibility. area because it toads were sa cutoff to to see Glen Jan Towne-24740 Smithtown Road - Smithtown can't stand the ad1ed What about the water, will there be one well or eighteen well . affect me? traffic. Will it Commissioner Benson said the choice is up to the developer. would affect her.butcoundn't say fot sure. He jdidn't think it I Greg Suddendorf-5685 Star Lane - said there is some question df whether Star Lane would be extended to Glenn Road. Are there any plans fo~ this? ! Commission and Staff said no. I I i Mr. Suddendorf also asked the value per lot. I I Mr. Harding said he'd say the average lot value would be approx~mat.elY $22,000, and that it would be to the developer's advantage to build $100~000-$120,000 home s . Pat Neimi-25125 Glenn Road - Glenn Road is not set Has the Planning Commission visited the location? mistake to connect the roads. up to hand~e more traffic. I think it !would be a I Dr. Bruce Mogen-25145 Glen Road - We bought where we did beca4se we like the area the way it is. A thoughofare would destroy the neighbor~OOd' A lot of children and animals live here. I don't agree with the Plann r's Report, I think there would be a drastic change in the amount of traffi . I I I . . . . PLANNING COMMIS TUESDAY, OCTOBE page five ION MINUTES 2, 1984 Bill Griffiths-5680 Star Lane - He asked if the property refe red to for later development is the Plowman property. Commission said no, it is the proposed property. Ms. Francis Mara-25165 Glen Road - What about the water situa Commissioner Benson read the ~ngineer's Report to the audience. Ms. Mara also asked about staying in character with the area there are many large lots. ! Commissioner Benson said that the area is zoned R-2 which is 20.1000 sq. ft. lots. The developer is allowed to subdivide their property a~d do their own designing. Star Circle and Star Lane have 20,000 sq. ft. lots and the homes would probably be similar. Dave Littlefield-24775 Glen Road - What right do the citizens or not allow that access. There is no safety enhancement, no neighborhood, the objective of extending that development is to serve the developer of 20,000 sq. ft. lots. have to allow upgrading of the ~mply and only Bob McDougall Shorewood has up to correct , I safety factor~ City would haie : , One half of to be torn - Why the sudden the same problem the problem. concern over the and one half the Commissioner Benson - Yes it would, from a planning prospective :we upgrade when we can and when the chance comes along to do so. The Public portion of the hearing was c~osed at 9:10 PM. Commissioner Reese said he has not had time to study the Engine4,r's Report and he is not prepared to make a statement at this time. I Commissioner Leslie mentioned putting a cul-de-sac at the northdrn end of proposed Harding Avenue, thus alleviating the increased traffic lonto Glen yet servicing the entire proposed project. , i Commissioner Leslie also asked Mr. Harding about his phasing. ~r. Harding if he could sell the first 6 lots he would begin building immed~ately. : the Road, said I Commission discussed the issue and felt that they neede time to study the Engineer's Report (received at meeting) and would like Planner ielsen's input. Benson moved, Boyd seconded, to table the 8:00 Public Hearirgon Harding Acres Preliminary Plat until the meeting of October 15, 1984. Motion carried unani- mously. NOVEMBER MEETING DATES Tuesday, November 13, 1984 Tuesday, November 27. 1984 . . . PLANNING COMMISSON MINUTES TUESDAY, OCTOBER 2, 1984 page six REPORTS Park Commission Fire Lanes - Staff reported the change of the six Planning Commission proposals. Council - Council Liaison Kristi Stover reported: Trivesco developers agreed to put in their own well. ~ Near Mountain may ask for water from Chanhassen for he southern part of their project and water from Trivesco for the, northern part. Water - Budget - passed with no increase in taxes Siren - Police Chief asked Shorewood to pay half of the cost o~ a civil defense siren to be installed near Country Kitchen in Excelsior. Shorewood Trivesco Parkland - negotiations are still in the process. will. Traffic Study for New Intersection on Highway. 7 by Broms Marke has been received. ADJOURNMENT Leslie moved, Boyd seconded, to adjourn at 9:50 PM. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED Sue Niccum Deputy Clerk . . . CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TUESDAY, OCTOBER 16, 1984 COUNCIL CHAMBERS 5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD 7:30P.M. M I NUT E S CALL TO ORDER Chairman Bruce Benson called the meeting to order at 7:40 P.M. ROLL CALL Present: Chairman Bruce Benson; Commissioners Reese, Leslie, an~ Boyd; Planner Brad Nielsen; Council Liaison Krisfi Stover; De~uty Clerk Commissioners Watten (excused) and Spellmar (didn't call) Sue Niccum. Absent: APPROVAL OF MINUTES Reese moved, Leslie seconded, to approve the minutes a ter removin~ Kooi's name from the list of those absent. Motion carried unanimously. ! PUBLIC HEARING - CONTINUATION - HARDING ACRES - NORTHEAST QUADRANffi'OF WEDGEWOOD DRIVE AND SMITHTOWN ~OAD This Hearing is a continuation of a request by Mr. Bernard Harding ,to divide his property~into 18 single family lots. i Planner Nielsen said the concerns at the last meeting appeared to r: 1. Whether the proposed road should connect to Glen Road. It is the recommendation of the City staff, the Engineer and ~yself that the new road should connect to Glen Road. Glen Road was designed for this, thats why no cul-de-sac was put in at the time. The connection be~efits the residents, it provides a second access and makes it better for snowP10Wilng purposes and emergency vehicles. 2. Lot Sizes. It has been suggested that the four southerly lots be enlarg~d, proportioning land from the large lots to the north. 3. , I 20,000 square foot lots have been proposed. This area is R-~ which allows this. i ! Right-of-Way. I At this time the developer will be asked for 5 feet of land ~n the west side of Wedgewood Drive. The concerned citizen to the east will ~ot be asked for r.o.w. at this time, however, if he develops his land in the !future he will be requested to do so at that time. i I 4. Question on accuracy of survey. Mr. Latterner has compared surveys with Mr. Otto and is survey is accurate. 'at i1fied that the 5. Engineer's Report. The only thing that enters into the first phase is ut~lities and installation of the sewer. The Engineer indicates that this is acceptable. Prior to final plat approval the developer will have to provide construction drawings. . . . MINUTES PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TUESDAY, OCTO ER 16, 1984 page two Engineer Report, continued (Harding Acres): The Minnehaha Creek Watershed District is currently reviewin any of their recommendations will be taken into consideratio final plat process. the project and as part of the Audience Comments: relatively it is quite Planner - The sewer will be coming up the east side. Mr. Forss - Why hasn't Wedgewood Drive ever been carried thr ugh to Cty. Rd. 19? Planner - Wedgewood Drive was dead-ended at a piece of undev loped property, with the understanding that if the property was ever develop d, the road would be extended through. Frank Mara - 25165 Glen Road i How much land will be taken from resident to develop Glen R1ad? Planner - Glen Road is already platted at! 40 feet. The road ,is substandard, 50 foot width would be standard, but therb are no plans to e1tend the road at this time. Glen Roa,d is already Platt~"" d into lots and th City would have to buy the land, which they are not in a position to do. Mr. Mara - Can surveyors enter private property? i I i ! Mr. Otto - Yes, State Law allows this. Mr. Mara - Had a complaint about shrub damage. Chairman Benson told Mr. Mara that it is hot a City problem nd he will have to deal directly with surveyor. Mrs. Knutson - 24820 Glen Road Why can't a cul-de-sac be used at the end, of Glen Road? Planner - The City policy is to refrain from putting in a cu -de-sac on a road longer than 700 feet. Glen Road would be' 2,700 feet to a cu -de-sac. Tom Story - 24845 Glen Road Why do you want to put through a road to increase traffic? .. . . . MINUTES PLANNING C TUESDAY, 0 page three Planner - There will be 18 units using th s road, some of th south instead of north. I don't believe here will be a gre traffic. ISSION MEETING TOBER 16, 1984 will be going increase in I Planner Nielsen informed the Commission that the developer h~s shown a willingness to cooperate and do whatever the City desires re~arding the Jan Towne - 24740 Smithtown Road Objected to traffic coming out on Smithtown Road. Objected Public portion of the meeting was closed at 8:13 P.M. roads. 10 half-acre lot" Commissioner Reese said that based on guidelines the City has in t~rms of subdivision plats, a little adjustment is necessary on this plan. Reese moved, Leslie seconded, to recommend to Council to approve Plat subject to the Planner's recommendations: 1. Lot sizes on the south end of the site should be increased, through redesign of the proposed street. (See Exhibit C). 2. Five feet of r.o.w. should be provided for Wedgewood t1e I I :iJf I I Preliminary necessary 3. Utilities, grading and drainage should be subject to the City Engineer. Grading and drainage should also Minnehaha Creek Watershed District. Drive. review ~nd approval by be revi~wed by the I i 4. Park dedication should be subject to review and recommendati~ns by the Park Commission. I Motion carried by Roll call Vote - 3 ayes - Reese, Benson and Lesl~e, 1 nay - Boyd. I MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR I None. REPORTS Council Liaison Kristi Stover gave the Council Reports: Planning Commission Candidates - there are two applicants, Mari Schultz. They will be reviewed at the next Counc,iLmeeting. I I +0; and James Police Department - one of several possible locations being consJdered is the north- east corner of Badger Park. I Hockey Rinks - were discussed. Rapid Oil - disputed their bill but agreed to pay. . . . MINUTES PLANNING C MMISSION MEETING TUESDAY, 0 TOBER 16, 1984 page four Planning Commission Recommendations: Luce - passed. Danser - passed. DeWitt passed, because built under existing Ordinance in 195 and City caused hardship by changing Ordinance. The Planning Commission discussed the Council's decision on De~itt at length. Leslie moved, Boyd seconded, to make the following statement the Council: We, as a Planning Commission, do not understand how we are t Ordinance in regards to granting variances for non-conformin interpret the requests. Motion carried unanimously. Shorewood Oaks - Comprehensive Plan Amendment reconsideration i t"' turned down. Comprehensive Plan - adoption-resolution requested. Liquor Ordinance - Election Day. 1 Improvement Trivesco -Parkland - Still negotiating. Freeman Park Road - to be done, money will come out of Park Fund. ADJOURNMENT Leslie moved, Boyd seconded, to adjourn at 9:07 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Sue Niccum Deputy Clerk . . . CITY OF SHOREWOOD REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 13, 1984 COU CIL CHAM ERS 575 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD 7:3 PM M I NUT E S CALL TO ORDER Chairman Benson called the meeting to order at 7:30 PM. ROLL CALL Present: Chairman Benson, Commissioners Leslie, Reese and Boyd: Council Liaison Stover, Planner Nielsen and Deputy Clerk Niccum. Commissioner Watten (excused) and Commissioner spell~an. MINUTES I Absent: APPROVAL OF Boyd moved, Reese seconded, to approve the minutes of October 16,11984, with the correction that Commissioner Watten was excused at that meeting. Motion carried unanimous ly. 1 VARIANCE REQUEST - REDFIELD HONES - 5330 ST. ALBANS BAY ROAD I Mr. Gary Nelson was present to request a front setback variance Olf 35' instead of the required 50' from the r.o.w. due to the topography of the land. (This had previously been granted by the Council in November of 1~79, but the time limit for use ran out.) Reese moved, Leslie seconded, to recommend to Council to allow the front setback variance of 35' from the r.o.w. Motion carried unanimously. SIMPLE SUBDIVISION - SUSAN REID - 23585 YELLOWSTONE TRAIL Ms. Susan Reid was present to request approval of a simple subdi~ision. She wishes to sell the southerly portion of her lot to her neighbor on the east. Commission asked Ms. Reid about as recommended by the Planner. southerly lot to be divided off moving the division line five feet to the north, Ms. Reid presented a new survey showing that the now consists of 40,700 feet. Leslie moved, Boyd seconded, to recommend to Council to approve the simple subdivision, contingent upon the Planner's recommendations: 1. The parcel being divided must be legally combined with the property to the east. 2. Drainage and utility easements must be provided - 10 feet of each lot line. each side Motion carried unanimously. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 13, 1984 page two . INFORMAL DISCUSSION - PROPOSED OFFICE BUILDING - MR. JAMES WOOG - 6140 LAKE LINDEN DRIVE . Mr. James Woog, a chiropractor and physical therapist, and Mr. JOE Gorecki were present to seek direction from the Commission regarding a pre posed office building and clinic to be located next to the Sullivan Center. M~. Woog said the building will have approximately 5,000 square feet on each Of~two floors and he expects to use half of it for his own practice. He is con idering small offices for the remainder. He also said one of their conce ns is that they would like to line up the parking lot with the parking lot 0 the Sullivan Center and this would require a variance. I I I : Planner Ni~,lsen said the landscaping is important. He alsoexpres~ed interest in how they plan to market space when next door there is an offiC1 building that has h4d trouble filling its rentals. i I . I Planner Ni~lsen also said there~will be three actions requested: I 1. Subdivision 2. Varqnce 3. C.U.~. for an office building in an R-C District I Commission: felt it would be a plus to have the old house removed,lbut were con- cerned abo1lIt the site distance from the propos~d clriveway. i I I . Mr. Woog s?id the hill would be cut down, thereby improving visior, and that they were }OnSidering a common driveway in relation to the Sullivrn building. In summary~ Chairman Benson suggested that they concentrate upon: I 1. egre~s-access area 2. avoid variances as much as possible 3. land~caping : I VARIANCE R~QUEST - EXPANSION OF A NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE - ROBER~ WHELAN - 5910 CATHC~RT DRIVE I No one wasi present to represent Mr. Whelan. Commissionl discussed the request to add a three season room. He ~ould be adding onto a non~onforming structure, but in the rear where ample rear ~ard setback will be malintained. : Reese move!d, Boyd seconded, to recommend to Council to approve t~e variance request f~r expansion of a nonconforming structure subject to Mr.: Whelan's appearancel at the Planning Commission meeting of December 4, 198~. Motion carried uIlanimously. i , I I I NEW PLANN]NG COMMISSION MEMBER : . Mr. James iSchultz of 5465 Timber Commissio~. He was previously a I ADJOURNMENT I Leslie mo~ed, ! i I Lane is filling the vacancy on 9he Planning member of the Deephaven Plannin~ Commission. Benson seconded, to adjourn at 9:05 P.M. i I . . . CITY OF SHOREWOOD REGULAR *LANNING COMMISSION TUESDAY, iDECEMBER 4, 1984 I I COUNCIL CHAMBERS 5755 COUNTRY CLUB 7:30 PM OAD MEETING M I NUT E S CALL TO ORDER Chairman Benson called the meeting to order at 7:30 PM. ROLL CALL Present: Chairman Benson, Commissioners Reese, Spellman, Boy Schultz: Planner Nielsen; Acting Council Liaison and Deputy Clerk Sue Niccum t\iWattenand Mayor Rascop Absent: Commissioner Leslie (called arid said she would be short meeting) was a APPROVAL OF MINUTES ! Boyd moved, Reese seconded, to approve the minutes of November \3 as written. Motion carried unanimously. I VARIANCE REQUEST - EXPANSION OF A NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE - Rob rt Whelan - 591 Cathcart Dr. Mr. Whelan was present to explain that he wishes to add a 3 se~son room to the rear of his existing home. The expansion does not increaselthe non- conformity. Reese moved, Boyd seconded, to recommend approval of the variante to expand a nonconforming structure. Motion carried unanimously. . SIMPLE SUBDIVISION - Michael Newberg - 23130 Summit Avenue Mr. Newberg appeared before the Commission to request approval 0 divide his property into 3 lots, having revised his plan from 2 to 3 lots, all buildable. Planner Nielsen mentioned the topography of the north lot, whic the driveway. He also mentioned that the sewer cuts across the from the east property and that Some arrangement should be made damage to the sewer line during building excavation. would affect north property to prevent The driveway on the north lot was discussed. Planner Nielsen i~formedthe Commission that when a building permit is taken out, on a steePtdriVeWay like this, a maximum of 10% grade is allowed and a "landing" at the ottom is re- quired to prevent problems upon entry to the road. I i Spellman moved, Boyd seconded, to recommend to Council to accept the simple subdivision providing they follow the Planner's recommendation f'o: 1) locate and verify the sewer line and provide a 10 foot easement across the area; and 2) prepare a new survey including drainage andv,tiIi,ty ease~ents along all side and rear lot lines. Motion carried unanimously. i I . . . REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES TUESDAY, DECEMBER 4, 1984 page two SHOREWOOD OAKS Planner Nielsen explained that our official paper, the Sailor, isplaced the legal notice. As a result it was not published in time to hold the public hearing. The hearing will take place December 18, 1984. 1985 CHAIRMAN AND VICE-CHAIRMAN The above will be elected at the December 18th meeting. JANUARY MEETINGS Tuesday, January 8, 1984 Tuesday, January 22, 1984 - Commission decided to look of the Zoning Ordinance at MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR none REPORTS at the cjmmerCial Section this stu y session. I I Mayor Rascop gave the Council Report and Deputy Clerk Niccum ga e the Park Report (see minutes for details). ADJOURNMENT Reese moved, Watten seconded, to adjourn at 8:25 PM. Motion ca ried unanimously. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED Sue Niccum Deputy Clerk . . . CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TUESDAY, DECEMBER 18, 1984 , COUNCIL !HAMBERS 5755 COU TRY CLUB ROAD 7:30 M I NUT E S CALL TO ORDER Acting Chairman Frank Reese called the meeting to order at 7:30 PM. ROLL CALL Present: Acting Chairman Reese, Commissioners Leslie, Boyd, Spellman: Planner Nielsen; Council Liaison Stover Clerk Niccum chultz and nd Deputy Absent: Commissioners Watten (excused/out of town) and--Bens n (excused/ death in family) APPROVAL OF MINUTES Boyd moved, Leslie seconded, to approve the minutes as ,written. Motion carried unanimously. PUBLIC HEARING - PRELIMINARY PLAT - SHOREWOOD OAKS Mr. Geoff Martin, Planner; Mr. Tim Phenow, Project Engineer; and Mr. Dan Reiland of Reiland and Johnson Construction, property owner wer~ present. Mr. Geoff Martin explained that, having had their previous P.U.Q. turned down by the Council, they are proposing an alternative plan with?3 Uots on their 44 acres. The lots will have a 20,000 square foot minimum lot iize with an average of 22,335 square feet, averaging out at 1.79 units per cre. There will be two trail accesses into Freeman Park. The road will run through the project with entrances on Strawberry Lane and State Highway 7, and two cul- de-sacs to the north and a loop to the south. Shorewood Oaks will request vacation of the r.o.w. along the southerly border of the site. Sanitary sewer will run off Strawberry Lane. A 33 foot r.o.w. will be provide to bring Strawberry Lane up to code. Each individual lot will have its 0 n well. The storm water system will flow to the north into the proposed ond shown on the Comprehensive Plan. Mr. Martin said they will work with the Council, Planning Commission and the Park Commission on the design of the pond. Public portion of the meeting closed at 8:02 PM. Commissioner Leslie asked what specific changes had been made Sir', ce the last proposal. Mr. Martin listed: - fewer lots - no internal park - no sign with development name - no landscaping - all single family unit~ - no buffer : nO arChitecturar",contrr'l will not build water s stem (wells) . . . PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES TUESDAY, DECEMBER 18, 1984 page two SHOREWOOD OAKS - continued Commissioner Schultz asked about drainage. Mr. Martin said that+ they have a storm water sewer plan prepared by Strgar-Roscoe. The overall road system will have drain tile beneath the surface and there will also be Idrain tiles in the lots. I Commissioner Boyd asked what the average home cost will be. Mr.; Martin said it would depend on the individual builder and what he chose to ~uild on the lot. Commissloner Reese asked about the lot priices and was told it w uld be somewhere in the mid twenties. Commission asked Planner Nielsen if the Park Commission would g drainage plan. He said he felt the Park Commission wanted an a area to contain runoff. The new plan and design of the ponding back before the Park Commission for discussion. along with the tual ponding area will go Planner Nielsen also said the Building Inspector will require S1il tests if the builder plans to go lower than a half basement. Commission questioned the northwest cul-de-sac on Daniel's Circlle, wondering why there is no catch basin. Mr. Martin said the street may be raised and sloped, this will be decided at the time of final design. I ! Les I ie moved, Boyd seconded, to recommend to Counc i I to approve Ithe Pre I iminary Plat for Shorewood Oaks contingent upon the four recommendations of the Planner: 1. All lots should be adjusted in the final plat to conform to ,the width re- quirements of the R-2 District. 2. The final plat should include 10' drainage and utility ease~ents along all rear and side lot lines. 3. Grading, drainage and utilities should be subject to the comments of the City Engineer. Plans for the inundation area in Freeman Park should be subject to review and approval by the Park Commission and the City Engineer. 4. The entry to Highway 7 must be constructed in conformance to the require- ments of MnDOT. Motion carried unanimously. Planner Nielsen said that the storm drainage line that is now on~ShoreWOOd Oaks Drive should be extended over to Strawberry Lane. He said that h will recommend to Council that when Shorewood Oaks cuts Strawberry Lane to put the sewer in, the City should lay a piece of pipe across the street and put in! a catch basin to help solve the drainage problem in that area. i Acting Chairman Reese asked that it be recorded in the minutes that a letter had been received from Carol Dartt, the owner of property at 615p Strawberry Lane, stating she is in favor of the project. She mentioned gasl lines, saying she hoped the area could be rid of the gas tanks. Geoff Martin said they plan on running gas lines into Shorewood baks. I . . . PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES TUESDAY, DECEMBER 18, 1984 page three SHOREWOOD OAKS - continued Shorewood Oaks will go before the Council on January 14, 1985. CHAIRMAN - 1985 Boyd moved, Spellman seconded, to elect Janet Leslie as the new 985 Chairman of the Planning Commission. Motion carried unanimously. Congratulations Chairman Leslie! REPORTS Council Liaison Stover gave the Council Report. ADJOURNMENT Leslie moved, Boyd seconded, to adjourn at 8:30 PM. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, Sue Niccum Deputy Clerk