PC-08-02-11
CITY OF SHOREWOOD COUNCIL CHAMBERS
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING 5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD
TUESDAY, 2 AUGUST 2011 7:00 P.M.
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
Chair Geng called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M.
ROLL CALL
Present: Chair Geng; Commissioners Hutchins, Charbonnet, Garelick, Davis, and Arnst; Planning
Director Nielsen; Council Liaison Woodruff; and Administrator Heck.
Absent: Commissioner Hasek.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Director Nielsen requested that Item No. 5. Sustainability – Review Best Practices, be removed from the
current Agenda.
Arnst moved, Hutchins seconded, Approving the Planning Commission Agenda of August 2, 2011 as
amended. Motion passed 6/0.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
July 19, 2011
Hutchins moved, Arnst seconded, Approving the Planning Commission Minutes of July 19, 2011 as
presented. Motion passed 6/0.
1. 7:00 P.M. PUBLIC HEARING – C.U.P. FOR FILL IN EXCESS OF 100 CUBIC YARDS
Applicant: Brett Palesch, Colfax Co., Representing Donna Balgard
Location: 26100 Smithtown Road
Chair Geng explained the public hearing procedures for the benefit of audience members. He stated that
this item will be on the City Council Meeting Agenda of August 8, 2011.
Director Nielsen stated that the house currently located on the property was built in 1980, and in 1993 a
Conditional Use Permit was approved for adding approximately 1200 cubic yards of fill to the lot for the
purpose of lessening the grade around the house. Nielsen said that Commissioner Arnst indicated she
recalled that the filling had caused some controversy at the time about it being placed in the wetland area.
Nielsen said a search of the records found that corrective action had been taken to remove some of the fill.
Nielsen reviewed the staff report stating that Donna Balgard, the owner of the subject property intends to
replace the existing house with a new one. Her contractor proposes to raise the grade on the property one
to two feet over approximately one-third of the site in hopes of mitigating drainage issues. The proposed
grading plan will require approximately 2150 to 2600 cubic yards of fill.
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Nielsen indicated that the proposed amount of fill would require approximately 210 deliveries by 10-yard
dump trucks. The City Engineer has recommended that truck traffic be limited to Smithtown Road to and
from either Highway 7 or Co. Rd. 19, and that nearby local streets be avoided. In addition to the route, it
is being recommended that hours of construction, 7:00 A.M. to 7:00 P.M., Monday through Friday, and
8:00 A.M. to 6:00 P.M. on Saturdays be strictly observed.
Wayne Soojian, President of Colfax Co., stated that the bulk of the fill is for correction of soil conditions.
He said they will use any existing material that is suitable and bring in additional fill only as necessary to
replace the excavated soil and to finish the grade. They have no issues with any of the staff
recommendations and intend to comply fully.
Commissioner Garelick asked what the frequency of truck trips will be. Mr. Soojian said that at peak, up
to 40 trips per day.
Commissioner Hutchins asked, if the current soil is not structurally sound will that cause additional trips?
Mr. Soojian said it would not because their estimates are based on a worst case scenario.
Councilmember Woodruff asked how many trucks would be stacked on Smithtown Road and whether
Colfax Co. will have traffic control. Mr. Soojian said they do not anticipate an excess amount of trucks at
the site and would prefer not to have on-site traffic control due to the costs to the client. Woodruff said
that one truck parked should not be a problem, but 6 – 8 would be as Smithtown Road is curved in that
area which causes greater potential danger. He stated that City staff should monitor the situation and
require appropriate action as necessary.
Commissioner Hutchins suggested that perhaps the truck hauling could be restricted during rush hour
periods. Nielsen asked Commissioner Davis when she thought Smithtown Road was busiest. She said
it’s busy in the morning up until around 9:00 A.M. and then again around 4:00 to 6:00 P.M.
Commissioner Arnst asked what guarantee the City has against road damage due to the hauling. Nielsen
said the Certificate of Occupancy is the standard leverage.
Chair Geng closed the public hearing at 7:28 P.M.
Hutchins moved, Arnst seconded to recommend approval of the Conditional Use Permit subject to
staff recommendations and that consideration be given to hours of operation for traffic safety
concerns. Motion passed 6/0.
2. BUILDING MOVING PERMIT
Applicant: Otting House Movers
Location: 26270 Smithtown Road
Director Nielsen reviewed the staff report indicating that Nancy Williams, who owns the property located
at 26270 Smithtown Road is purchasing a detached garage from her next door neighbor at 26100
Smithtown Road and plans to contract with Otting House Movers to have it moved onto her property.
Otting will also be moving the house from the neighbor’s property, but it will be moved out of the City.
The routes have been reviewed and approved by the City Engineer and the contractor will coordinate the
date and time of the moves with the South Lake Minnetonka Police Department.
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Nielsen stated that the garage, which is 20’ x 22’with two-stalls, has been inspected by the Building
Official who found it to be in sound condition. He said it will comply with all setback requirements. The
applicant will be converting an existing tuck-under garage into living space in order to comply with the
1200 square foot accessory space limit.
Davis moved, Hutchins seconded, to recommend approval of the Building Moving Permit for both
the garage and the house, subject to staff recommendations. Motion passed 6/0.
4.DISCUSS DYNAMIC SIGNS
In consideration for Mike Cronin who was in attendance, Agenda Item No. 4 was moved forward.
Director Nielsen presented a sample of videos taken of various electronic signs from around the metro
area. Some were depictions of signs that had undesirable features such as overly rapid timing, or
considered to be very distracting to drivers, while others were less so.
Mr. Cronin, rep. Holiday Gas, provided a listing of existing signs in the west suburban area which
described their location and the timing they are set at. He said he hoped the Commission would be able to
visit some of the sites to get a first hand view.
Nielsen distributed and reviewed a spreadsheet of information from his research of other city sign
ordinances. The information included whether dynamic signs are allowed; if they can be free-standing
and/or wall signs; the allowable size; the transition type; brightness control; zoning district restrictions;
timing; setbacks; and other miscellaneous requirements.
Nielsen suggested that some of the preliminary recommendations could be that dynamic signs be limited
to the C-1, General Commercial zoning district, although allowing them in the C-2 district could also be
considered; all other districts be limited to alpha-numeric rather than graphical dynamic signs; the signs
should not be allowed as temporary signs, i.e. the portable billboards; definitions and consistent reference
terminology needs to be established; and determine an allowable percentage of the overall signage that
can be dynamic signage per site.
Commissioner Arnst asked if the City has the freedom to designate where these signs can go, based on
something other than the zoning, because Smithtown Crossing and Kuemple Chimes are more residential
(based on the zoning map) than other commercial sites. She said it's something we need to allow with,
good judgment. Nielsen agreed, saying that may be where the distance from residential would be a useful
requirement to have. Davis said if multifamily goes in (to Smithtown Crossing) and the corner gas station
puts in an electronic sign they're going to be looking at it. Nielsen asked what about hours? Arnst said
CUB has to dim their parking lot lights after a time, and the same for the gas station canopy lights, so that
makes sense. Geng said it should all be consistent, as that would be the easiest to enforce and easiest to
comply with.
Regulation of pylon signs were discussed. Nielsen said typically each commercial site is allowed one
pylon sign and that would be the dynamic sign, rather than also allowing dynamic signage on wall signs
at the same site. Councilmember Woodruff pointed out that the area between Old Market Road and Vine
Hill Road along Highway 7 has many smaller commercial sites. Mr. Cronin said some cities control sign
proximity by having minimum street frontage requirements, and some base allowable signage, or the
requirements (timing, etc.) for the signage, on the type of street the property is situated on, such as a
major arterial.
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Nielsen reiterated that noncommercial sites should be limited to alpha-numeric signage, such as
changeable message-boards. And the dynamic portion of pylon signs should be restricted to the lowest
portion of the sign. Nielsen indicated that he had enough information to prepare a draft ordinance for the
Commission’s review.
3. DISCUSS DEER FEEDING BAN SURVEY RESULTS
Director Nielsen stated that the survey response was very strong. Of the approximate 800 responses
(some of which was electronically), 605 were marked “Yes”, and 162 marked “No”, representing about
80% of the respondents being in favor of a deer feeding ban.
Commissioner Arnst asked if the City can act on or enforce feeding violations that are discovered by the
aerial surveys. Nielsen said that will be up to the City Council, but the current policy is enforcement by
complaint basis. Councilmember Woodruff pointed out that the Commission can make a
recommendation to the Council regarding enforcement policy. Arnst said it makes sense to her that the
City should act on a valid source, not just neighbor against neighbor.
Commissioner Davis said that the culling of herds needs to be stepped up. Nielsen said an additional
weekend may be added to the annual bow hunting program, it is on the next City Council Agenda for
consideration. Commissioner Arnst said there should be consideration given to week-day hunting, and
letting people know that additional sites are needed. There was consensus that advertising for more sites
be placed in the City newsletter. Davis suggested checking with the City of Duluth as to how they
manage their deer because they have had a lot of success.
Administrator Heck stated that the first reading of the ordinance, and hearing public comment, can be
done by the City Council. The Council can then direct the next steps to be taken.
The Commission was in agreement that a strong method of enforcement, using means beyond
neighborhood complaint, be incorporated into policy. Nielsen said that won’t rule out neighborhood
complaints, and reminded the Commission that complaints are treated as anonymous.
The Commission referred the matter onto the City Council and recommended that the City publicize the
need for additional hunt-sites in the City newsletter.
5. SUSTAINABILITY – REVIEW BEST PRACTICES
This item was deferred.
6. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR
None.
7. OLD BUSINESS
Commissioner Arnst inquired about the status of the County Road 19 trail-crossing signage. Everyone
agreed it is a dangerous situation and it needs to be made clear to trail users and vehicle drivers alike that
the vehicular traffic does not stop. She said the signs on the Dakota Trail have been updated, and Three
Rivers Park District has been out enforcing the rules on bicyclists. Councilmember Woodruff stated there
are updated signs near the Mound Post Office. He suggested that Three Rivers Park District be
approached about getting some changes made to the County Rd. 19 crossing.
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8. NEW BUSINESS
Commissioner Davis asked what the current code regulations are that apply to people living in trailers
parked on the street, and also about properties that have non-mowed grass. Nielsen said the trailer is a
police matter because it is in the street, and the City does not have a grass-length ordinance.
9. DRAFT NEXT MEETING AGENDA
The August 16, 2011 Planning Commission Agenda will include the Shady Hills Traffic neighborhood
meeting.
10. REPORTS
Liaison to Council
Councilmember Woodruff reported on items considered and actions taken by the City Council at their
meeting of July 25, 2011.
SLUC
None.
Trail Committee
None.
11. ADJOURNMENT
Davis moved, Arnst seconded, to adjourn the Planning Commission Meeting of August 2, 2011 at
8:47 P.M. Motion passed 6/0.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Patti Helgesen, Recorder