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PC-10-01-13 CITY OF SHOREWOOD COUNCIL CHAMBERS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING 5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD TUESDAY, OCTOBER 1, 2013 7:00 P.M. MINUTES CALL TO ORDER Chair Geng called the meeting to order at 7:29 P.M. ROLL CALL Present: Chair Geng; Commissioners Charbonnet (arrived at 7:28 P.M. and departed at 9:45 P.M.), Davis, Labadie, and Muehlberg (arrived at 7:28 P.M.); Planning Director Nielsen; and Council Liaison Woodruff Absent: Commissioners Garelick and Maddy APPROVAL OF AGENDA Davis moved, Labadie seconded, approving the agenda for October 1, 2013, as presented. Motion passed 5/0. APPROVAL OF MINUTES  September 17, 2013 Davis moved, Muehlberg seconded, approving the Planning Commission Meeting Minutes of September 17, 2013, as presented. Motion passed 5/0. 1. 7:00 P.M. PUBLIC HEARING – SUMMIT WOODS P.U.D. – CONCEPT STAGE Applicant: Homestead Partners Location: 23040 Summit Avenue Chair Geng opened the Public Hearing at 7:31 P.M., noting the procedures utilized in a Public Hearing. He noted that the Planning Commission is a recommending body only. He stated this evening the Commission is going to consider a request for a Summit Woods planned unit development (P.U.D.) for Homestead Partners LLC to be located at 23040 Summit Avenue. He asked those in the audience who want to speak to this item to keep their comments to three minutes each. He stated if a previous speaker has already addressed a point and the new speaker is in agreement he asked that the speaker address other points that have not yet been made. He noted if the Planning Commission makes a recommendation this evening this item will go before the City Council on October 28, 2013. Director Nielsen explained that Homestead Partners LLC (Homestead) has arranged to purchase the property at 23040 Summit Avenue and proposes to develop it into six, single-family residential lots. The subject property consists of two parcels of land containing 4.2 acres, zoned R-1C, Single-Family Residential. The property is currently occupied by a single family home and a small detached garage. The property abuts the Shorewood/Chanhassen border. Homestead has also arranged to purchase 1.7 acres in the City of Chanhassen south of the border; two more lots are proposed. CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING October 1, 2013 Page 2 of 18 The property is characterized by a high, relatively level area on the west side. It drops off quite steeply toward Mayflower Road and toward Galpin Lake Road. The steeply sloped area is heavily wooded. The difference in elevation between the high point and low points on the property is approximately 86 feet. The applicant first considered a traditional six-lot plat; four of them up on Summit Avenue and two overlooking Galpin Lake Road. Due to the unique physical characteristics of the property, Homestead has proposed clustering the six homes on the top of the site (the more buildable portion of the lot) by means of Planned Unit Development (P.U.D.). That is what is being considered this evening. The Shorewood P.U.D. zoning tool allows for some flexibility from current zoning standards. The intent of the P.U.D. is to preserve sensitive areas. In this case, the steep slopes on the site and the heavily wooded areas. The developer is not altering density that is allowed. In fact the density is lower than what Shorewood’s Comprehensive Plan (Comp Plan) suggests, which is 1 to 2 units per acre. The proposal is for about 1.42 units. The R-1C district would allow 2 units per acre. Additional streets are not proposed as part of this project. Access will be from Summit Avenue. There is sewer in Summit Avenue. There is water in Hummingbird Road south of the subject property in Chanhassen. Homestead will request Chanhassen to extend its watermain to serve the project. The current R1-C zoning of the site allows for single-family residential lots containing a minimum of 20,000 square feet of area and 100 feet in width. Required building setbacks are: front – 35 feet, side – 10 feet, and rear – 40 feet. The Residential Single Family (RSF) zoning south of the border in Chanhassen allows 15,000 square-foot lots, 90 feet in width with 30-foot front yard setbacks and 10-foot side yard setbacks. Much of the existing development to the south of the subject property consists of larger, deep lots with substantial front yard setbacks (well over 100 feet in some cases). For the plat being proposed the developer is asking for flexibility with regard to the front and side yard setbacks. They are proposing for the houses to be built 25 feet from the street right-of-way (ROW). The street ROW is extraordinary; it is 80 feet wide. In Shorewood the standard for local streets is 50 feet. The developer has also asked for a side yard setback of 7.5 feet which would result in 15 feet between buildings. The intent is to avoid massive alteration of the steep, wooded slopes. The developer proposes to grant the City a conservation easement over the easterly and northerly half of the site. It is close to half of the property. This would ensure that nothing will be built on just over two acres of the site, and that no alteration (grading or tree removal) will occur on the most sensitive portion of the property. Shorewood’s P.U.D. process is a three-step process which includes a Concept Stage, a Development Stage, and a Final Plan Stage. The Concept Stage is intended to get people familiar with the proposal and the property, to identify issues the Planning Commission and public may have with the property, and to give the developer some direction as it goes into the Development Stage. Most of the details are worked out in the Development Stage and a preliminary plat is submitted. Nielsen reviewed how the proposed development relates to the basic elements of Shorewood’s Comprehensive Plan. 1. Natural Resources – With regard to natural resources, this project is considered to be consistent with the policies, goals and objectives of the Comp Plan. It would preserve the steep slopes and wooded areas. The Concept Plan shows a small ponding area in the northeast corner of the site. The City Engineer thinks that corner is unsuitable for a pond because that would be contrary to protecting the steep-sloped, wooded area. The developer is looking at doing something on the top level portion of the site to address the drainage issues. CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING October 1, 2013 Page 3 of 18 2. Land Use – The property is zoned for single-family houses and that is what is proposed. The Land Use chapter of the Comp Plan talks about compatibility with surrounding land uses. In this case, the proposed development is more compact than much of the surrounding development, particularly to the south in Chanhassen where there are several large homes on very large lots. It is quite consistent with the zoning south of the city border. During staff’s review of the Concept Plan there was discussion about ways to mitigate the compact character of the proposed development. Staff prepared an illustrative site sketch showing alternative building locations on the first four lots being placed back beyond the R-1C front setback; as much as 60 feet from the front property line. This allows the buildings to be spread out a bit as the lots widen to the rear. Pushing the buildings back transitions better to the development to the south. Staff recommends that side yard setbacks be no less than 10 feet (20 feet between buildings) instead of 7.5 feet as requested. Some additional side yard separation could be achieved if some of the garages were designed to be side loading. It would also provide some variety in design. A lot of the breaking up of massing of buildings could be done with landscaping. 3. Transportation – Summit Avenue is an extremely narrow road; it is approximately 13 feet wide. It does not meet the fire code standard of 20 feet wide. The ROW for Summit Avenue is 80 feet wide while the City’s standard city street requirement is only 50 feet. Staff has suggested that as part of this project the developer be responsible for widening the paved surface of Summit Avenue in front of the subject property to at least the fire code standard of 20 feet. It’s anticipated that Chanhassen would not widen Hummingbird Road; Summit Avenue turns into Hummingbird Road when it crosses the Shorewood/Chanhassen border. Therefore, there would be a need to transition from the wider to narrower roadway. If Shorewood were ever to do something with Summit Avenue as it heads down the hill toward Murray Hill Road it would be brought to fire code standard. At this time there are no plans to do that. Access to Lots 1 and 2 will be a challenge. Serious consideration should be given to one shared driveway to serve those two lots to minimize as much site alteration as possible. 4. Community Facilities (Utilities) – Sanitary sewer already exists in Summit Avenue and is available to this development. Shorewood does not have municipal water service in this area. Chanhassen’s water system stops just short of the subject property. The developer has been in contact with Chanhassen staff about extending its water service for the project. Failing that, the lots would be served by individual wells. Nielsen stated the concept of clustering homes on good ground to preserve environmentally sensitive portions (trees and steep slopes) of the site is generally consistent with Shorewood’s Comp Plan and Zoning requirements. Staff believes certain issues deserve further attention before proceeding to the Development Stage of the process. Specifically, the developer should provide some real world examples of the types of houses being proposed. Design alternatives, such as side loading garages, as well as landscaping should also be considered to mitigate the concern of lost open space. An alternative to ponding at the bottom of the hill on Mayflower Road should be explored. Nielsen noted that staff recommends the Concept Plan be continued to the November Planning Commission meeting based on the suggestions just reviewed. CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING October 1, 2013 Page 4 of 18 th Steven Bona, with Homestead Partners located at 525 15 Avenue South, Hopkins, explained Homestead started out with a Concept Plan that met the City’s Ordinances. The plan included a couple of custom built houses that would be located down on the lower side of the bluff. Homestead has an affiliated company that is a builder. There are many neighborhoods in the southwestern part of the metro area where Homestead develops lots and has the affiliate company build the houses or Homestead will sell the lots to other builders. After meeting with Director Nielsen to discuss the Concept Plan there was a decision to go with a P.U.D rather than straight zoning and to move the two houses that would have been located down the slope up to the top. They would still be custom style houses. Homestead had to determine what size lots would work along Summit Avenue. Homestead created a revised Concept Plan. The Plan has been refined a couple of times after meeting with Shorewood staff and Chanhassen staff. The Plan being discussed this evening is the last revision of Homestead’s Concept Plan. He noted the main reason for redesigning the Concept Plan was because the site is heavily wooded and there is a desire to preserve trees. Mr. Bona noted Homestead has a project at Rainbow Drive and Minnetonka Boulevard, another at Gleason Lake in the City of Minnetonka, and a couple in the City of Eden Prairie. People can go to those areas and look at Homestead’s work or its builders’ work. Mr. Bona explained the conservation easement would be for the entire eastern and northern sides of the property. That would preserve the trees forever. If Shorewood constructs a Galpin Lake Road trail segment Homestead would want to be involved with that if the trail would be on the west side of the road. If that is not done, it would consider some other amenities. Homestead would put in landscaping that is larger and more extensive than required by the City Code. The landscaping would have great curb appeal. Chanhassen’s municipal water system ends at a stub at the Chanhassen/Shorewood border. Chanhassen would like to resolve a stagnant water issue there. If Shorewood were to have a road reconstruction project in the area or if there is any political will to extend the watermain from the border into Shorewood Chanhassen would loop it around Summit Avenue and to the west and back into Chanhassen’s water system to the west. He clarified that Chanhassen has not committed to that happening, but as part of this project it would like to know if Shorewood is open to that happening. In the short term that watermain would not be looped. Mr. Bona then explained the front yard setbacks were originally proposed to be 25 feet. That was primarily because of the trees immediately in the back of all of the proposed houses. It would also allow for some usable backyard space. He noted the 80-foot-wide ROW is not typical. Because it is so wide and the edge so far back from the pavement that was some of the impetus for considering 25-foot front yard setbacks. He stated after looking at Director Nielsen’s proposed alternative building locations plan there would be some flexibility. The shorter setback on Lots 1, 2 and 3 is necessary because of the steep slope, the trees and the topography. There is flexibility on the 3 lots on the south; the houses could be located further back to at a minimum comply with Shorewood’s 35-foot front yard setback requirement. To have the houses setback 60 feet would push them back into the trees and would not allow for any usable backyard. Shorewood staff would prefer compliance with Shorewood’s 10-foot-wide side yard setback. To do that the houses would have to be a little narrower (from 55 feet wide to 50 feet wide). The footage loss makes a big difference when it comes to the square footage of the house. It would be relatively easy to bring the houses down to a 54-foot-wide standard on the same plan without much impact. Homestead will have to determine what the impact of going to a 50-foot-wide house would be on the layout of the homes. Or, maybe something in between can be agreed upon. Commissioner Muehlberg asked if extending Chanhassen’s watermain would result in a stagnant water issue being pushed into Shorewood. Mr. Bona stated the engineer did not say how big of a problem it CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING October 1, 2013 Page 5 of 18 would be. He explained that engineers consider any watermain that does not go anywhere to be a problem. Engineers always want to loop a watermain where possible. Chair Geng asked if well water is still being considered for each of the properties. Mr. Bona stated that could be done, but to date there has not been a lot of support for that. Geng stated he has the same concern about pushing the stagnant water issue into Shorewood. Mr. Bona stated he would talk to Chanhassen to find out if the residents have complaints about water at the border. Mr. Bona noted that Homestead originally proposed wells. Geng then asked Mr. Bona to elaborate on what additional amenities Homestead would consider if the trail segment does not come to fruition. Geng clarified he would not hold Homestead to doing that. Mr. Bona stated Homestead really likes the trail option because the trail would be used by current residents and the residents in the new houses. If it is not a trail connection there may be a connection somewhere else. Director Nielsen stated the potential trail could be tied to the proposed development in some fashion. He noted that physically it would be better to construct the potential trail on the east side of Galpin Lake Road. The trail in Chanhassen is on the east side of the Road. He explained the slope gets steeper to the south on the west side and having it on the west requires more roadway crossings. He stated the Planning Commission will have some neighborhood meetings on potential trails next month. Chair Geng stated the construction of six new homes will create additional stormwater runoff onto Summit Avenue. He asked what will be done to mitigate that. Pete Knaeble, with Terra Engineering which is the engineer for the project, explained the engineers considered a number of possibilities with regard to drainage. The one shown on the Concept Plan is an infiltration basin rain garden type structure that would be more on the bottom of the hill. Now more individual rain gardens are being considered that would be located in the front yards at the top of the hill. The individual rain gardens would be owned and maintained by the property owners. The street would get widened as part of the development to a 20-foot-wide minimum to comply with the fire code. That additional impervious surface will result in more stormwater runoff. The roof drainage and driveway drainage would be designed to route the stormwater off to the side onto the grass areas and then toward the back of the properties or into the rain gardens. He noted that has been designed different than it normally have been designed. Mr. Knaeble reiterated that Chanhassen has concerns about stagnant water at the end of the watermain. He stated every city has watermains that do not flow through. He noted that the bigger issue for Chanhassen is the additional maintenance of the watermain. A dead end watermain has to be flushed out more often and that will cost more. He explained that extending watermain 200 feet around the corner isn’t going to solve the stagnant water issue yet it won’t make it any worse. But, it will get Chanhassen closer to its goal of looping that water main. The connection at Murray Hill Road is about 800 – 900 feet past the project area. Mr. Knaeble stated the engineers think the shared driveway for Lots 1 and 2 is a good idea. That has been done for other developments. The issue on Lots 1 and 2, which are below the street level, is ensuring that the houses are architecturally designed to work with the lots. Mr. Bona stated Homestead’s affiliated building company is called JMS Custom Homes. JMS had five custom homes in the recent Parade of Homes event. Some of the houses were located in the Cities of Minnetonka, Eden Prairie and Edina. For projects like this when Homestead uses JMS it sets building CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING October 1, 2013 Page 6 of 18 standards. For this P.U.D. he proposed increased architectural standards. Homestead would set standards for the houses up front. He noted a set of plans was prepared for this meeting to show people. Chair Geng opened the Public Testimony portion of the Public Hearing at 8:11 P.M. Chair Geng again asked people to keep their comments to 3 – 4 minutes apiece and not to repeat points made previously by someone who spoke before them other than to indicate agreement or disagreement with the point. Sondra Traylor, 23115 Summit Avenue, Shorewood, stated she lives directly across the street from the proposed development. She noted she is on Chanhassen’s water system and that you cannot flush the mucky dead end waterline. From the last hydrant all the way to her property there is no opening. She has to use a water filter in the kitchen for her drinking water because the water is so bad. She then stated that most of the people in the audience have homes that are back to the tree line; they do not have a usable back yard. The homes being located back on the property give the neighborhood character. She went on to state the north side of Summit Avenue is a sheer drop. The drop is 800 feet from the top to the bottom of Summit Avenue; that drop is in one-tenth of a mile. Ms. Traylor displayed some pictures of the area. She noted that there are six children who live in the area that are home schooled. They walk around the block very frequently to take study breaks during the day. They can cover the entire width of the 13-foot-wide roadways in the neighborhood. The road is a quiet road. The roadways are part of the character of the neighborhood. The residents like the quaint country feel of the neighborhood. It’s a peaceful area up there. Residents walk their pets 2 – 5 times a day throughout the year. More vehicle traffic in the area is a cause for concern about resident safety. Ms. Traylor stated traffic on Summit Avenue is a real problem because the roadway is so narrow. She displayed pictures of vehicles on the roadway. She explained that from the edge of the pavement on the south side to the relatively new lip on the other side it is 11 feet 3 inches. A little further down it is 1 inch wider. It makes it very tight when vehicles pass each other. There was a situation where a driver was trying to go around a stopped car and the vehicle went over her land a little. In one area there is an embankment on the right and a drop-off on the left. She then stated the section of Summit Avenue in the project area is proposed to be widened by 7 feet. The widening will end at the blind curve. A lot of trees will have to be removed to do that. She explained the incline at the bottom of Summit Avenue is about 7 degrees. At the second telephone pole it is about 10 degrees. Ms. Traylor explained if a driver can get past the second telephone pole alongside of Summit Avenue during the winter they can make it all the way up the steep roadway. If not, the driver can back down or slide down and then drive around and enter on Hummingbird Road. The burden of winter traffic ends up on Hummingbird Road. Summit Avenue turns into Hummingbird Road at the Chanhassen border which is also very narrow. Residents put up barriers along the side of Hummingbird Road to keep vehicles on the roadway’s surface and off of their property. It is difficult to stay totally on the street surface when passing because there are mailboxes on one side. She commented the residents had to adjust their mailboxes a few years ago so she knows they are at postal standards. She stated neither roadway can handle much more traffic. More traffic is a cause for concern about the safety of the children in the neighborhood. Ms. Traylor then explained there are 16 children who live along the two roadways and there are 4 grandchildren who frequently visit their grandparents. That amounts to 20 children in two blocks. There are 16 driveways along the two roadways. The proposed development would add six more homes in Shorewood and two more in Chanhassen resulting in a 50 percent increase in traffic. Residents in the CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING October 1, 2013 Page 7 of 18 neighborhood feel that is not safe for the children. She commented that a visitor to her home stated she has difficulty getting up the roadway during the winter and that the roadways cannot take that much more traffic. Ms. Traylor stated the residents in the area love the beauty of the land. And, they do not feel the proposed development matches the character of the neighborhood. She noted that the surveyor that came out the previous week could only find markers on the other side of the roadway from the proposed P.U.D. She informed that person that the neighbors are hopping mad about the P.U.D. and she suggested he dot his Is and cross his Ts. The surveyor also indicated to her that he did not think the proposed development would match the character of the neighborhood. Ms. Traylor noted there had been an exceptionally well-attended and passionate neighborhood meeting about this project. She explained that she had a small part-time business that she operates out of her home. She applied for a conditional use permit (C.U.P.) to have a part-time employee that would help her with her paper work. Her request was denied because it would bring too much traffic to the neighborhood. Elizabeth Birkland Daub, 6180 Murray Hill Road, Shorewood, stated her property is located at the corner of Chaska Road and Murray Hill Road. Her property intersects with the steep incline on Summit Avenue Ms. Traylor spoke about. She noted she believes in progress, in community, and in spirit. She loved the passionate way Ms. Traylor was able to describe the neighborhood. She stated from her perspective the area around Summit Avenue is one of the most quaint, hidden charms in the entire area. She explained her property is about 2.75 acres in size. She lives in Shorewood, Excelsior and Chanhassen; her property is located in all three cities. Ms. Daub explained when the property on the top of Murray Hill Road was developed water found its path of least resistance into her basement. It flooded three times. Shorewood made some drainage improvements to Chaska Road which helped mitigate stormwater runoff. She stated the developer has provided no evidence or facts about where the stormwater is going to go. She does not want the stormwater to flood her property again. She is concerned that the water coming down Summit Avenue is going to find the low spot which is her property. She explained during the winter cars coming down Summit Avenue will slide onto her property. She stated she believes in sharing the beauty of the community. She then stated what is being proposed looks beautiful. But, it has an ambience of the City of Edina where houses are side by side. To her what is being proposed looks like “track homes”; Shorewood does not have track homes. She commented that she has lost numerous mail boxes to vehicles. She stated the proposed Concept Plan is disturbing to her. She encouraged people to walk Summit Avenue. She stated she found the area to be one of the treasures in the community and that she would not want to have it destroyed. Marilyn Zupnik, 6200 Hummingbird Road, Chanhassen, stated her and her husband Lea Foli’s property is the first in Chanhassen and it is somewhat diagonally across from the proposed P.U.D. site. The land to be developed in Chanhassen is directly across the street from her property. She noted they built their house in 1990. She stated they love the area they live in. She noted she does not want to live across the street from a development. She stated since they built their home 4 – 5 other houses have been built with most of them being across the street from them on Hummingbird Road. Each of those other houses has been a beautiful addition to the neighborhood. There is a lot of space between the houses. There is minimum traffic on Hummingbird Road at this time. For the proposed project there are too many houses that are too close together and too close to the street. She noted you cannot see the driveways along Summit Avenue from the curve. It is very dangerous on that hill. She is concerned about the impact the P.U.D. would have on the value of their property. She routed pictures of the area. She stated she could envision 2 – 3 beautiful houses that would be wonderful additions to the area. She noted you can’t see CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING October 1, 2013 Page 8 of 18 some of the houses in the area from the road. They are setback on the property and there are a lot of trees. That is what she hopes for when the area across the street from them is built. Karen Fitzer, 6090 Galpin Lake Road, Shorewood, stated her property is located at the bottom of the hill below all of the trees where the steep grade is. Their property is close to an acre in size and it is close to the marsh. She explained when the water runs off the hill in the spring a Volkswagen could fall into the potholes in the roadway before they are filled in. During the winter months the runoff freezes on the roadway and cars slide into the woods on their property before the roadway is sanded. She expressed concern about the amount of impervious surface that would be added as part of the project creating additional stormwater runoff issues onto all of the surrounding roads. She stated there is already a dangerous situation in the area with the steepness of the hill and she does not want it exacerbated. Gary Connel, 6201 Murray Hill Road, Chanhassen, stated his property is located in Shorewood and Chanhassen at the bottom of Summit Avenue where it intersects with Murray Hill Road. He noted they also hear tires spinning during the winter months. He also noted he finds the neighborhood charming. He asked the Planning Commission to help the residents in the area keep that charm. It would be nice for new residents to be able to enjoy that charm as well. He stated doing the development as a six-lot P.U.D. is much less desirable than Homestead’s original conforming plat proposal. He noted that he wished the residents would have had an opportunity to be involved earlier in the process. He clarified the residents focus is on the P.U.D Mr. Connel routed a couple of graphics he prepared. He explained one was a color coding of how property owners feel about the proposed P.U.D. There are not any that do not care. Most, if not all, do not want the P.U.D. to happen. One graphic showed the density of the existing houses in the area and the density of the proposed P.U.D. The P.U.D. density would be too great; it would change the character of the neighborhood. He noted there is nothing in the P.U.D. that requires the developer to properly landscape the area to preserve the atmosphere of the neighborhood. He stated it’s important to save trees along Summit Avenue in order to maintain the feel of the neighborhood. That will not happen if there are 25-foot front yard setbacks. He suggested keeping the width of Summit Avenue close to what it is to maintain the character of the area. He stated with the increased density from the proposed project in Shorewood and the proposed two-lot development in Chanhassen there will likely come a time when the roadways in the area will have to be upgraded in Shorewood and Chanhassen. He anticipates that at some time the residents may have to be assessed for that. He stated that eventually Summit Avenue may have to be widened to 20 feet to support whatever is developed on that site. Mr. Connel stated for Lots 1 and 2 which are on the north end of the P.U.D. site there is a topographical challenge to put the driveways in for those two lots. He stated because of how the driveways would be configured, a driver will have to give the vehicle more gas to get there while being ready to instantly break for pedestrians. He requested going back to the conforming plat for the site. Ms. Traylor stated the impact of traffic in Chanhassen from the eight new residential properties has to be considered as well. Shelli Kargela, 23040 Summit Avenue, Shorewood, stated she rents the house on the subject property and she loves living there. The reason she lives there is because of the peacefulness of the area and the serenity there. She commented that the previous morning there were nine deer outside of her door. She asked where all of the turkeys and deer are going to go after the site is developed. She stated she did not know Ted Rix, the former owner of the property, but she heard his wish for the property was for it to be a wildlife refuge. Don Rix, the person who owns the property, knows that if she had the money she would buy the property and keep it the way it is. CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING October 1, 2013 Page 9 of 18 Charles Liedtke, 6231 Hummingbird Road, Chanhassen, stated his property is next to the horse pasture which is Carver County’s lots. He noted that he is not opposed to development as long as it is intelligent. He also noted his comments will be specific to this P.U.D. He does have concerns about what is being proposed. He stated after looking at his current house and property and the neighborhood it is in for fifteen minutes he knew he wanted to live there. He then stated the proposed P.U.D. will decrease the value of the intangible assets of the area. Mr. Liedtke asked how many zoning standards will be allowed to be violated with the P.U.D. He asked how many tons of dirt and rock will have to be hauled in to make Lots 1 and 2 (the lots on the blind curve on the north of the P.U.D.) buildable. He applauded the developer on its proposed effort to preserve trees. He stated the conservation easement confuses him because in order to preserve the woods there needs to be significant clear cutting of the woods. He asked how many trees would need to be clear cut. He stated he also thinks the P.U.D. would be inconsistent with the character of the neighborhood. He noted that he looks forward to getting answers to his questions. Vicki Frazen, 6260 Hummingbird Road, Chanhassen, noted that Greg Fisher, 2340 Hummingbird Road, asked her to read a letter he wrote to the City of Shorewood Planning Department. The letter read as follows. “I am asking my good neighbors Vicki and Terry Franzen to read this statement as I am unable to attend tonight's meeting. I moved to Hummingbird Road about 11 years ago. The main attractions were the narrow road, lack of sidewalks and curbs, large lots, and well-spaced homes, which offered privacy and a safe serene environment to raise kids. First off, I am extremely disappointed and offended that the City of Shorewood decided to onlv notify residents within 500 feet of the property in question. I only learned of this because of the good neighbors who were kind enough to share the PUD notice. The City should have the decency and responsibility to notify any and all residents who could be affected by such a drastic and radical change to their neighborhood. I grew up in Southwest Minneapolis where the houses are as close to each other as the proposed PUD. I chose to live here because I wanted a quieter, safer, and more private setting to live and raise my children. The current set-backs and rules should not be waived so someone who doesn't live here can profit at the expense of the rest of the neighborhood. I am emphatically against the proposed PUD. I have no issue with the property being developed, as long as it follows the existing planning rules and set-backs already in place. There is no logic or thought put into preserving the feel of the neighborhood. The proposed PUD violates every aspect of what our neighborhood means to everyone who lives here. I believe the proposed PUD would be an absolute travesty to the residents who live directly across and adjacent to the property. It would also negatively affect every other resident on Summit and Hummingbird directly. Just look at the longevity of the residents. We live here because it allows us to enjoy a quality of life and raise our families in a safe, quiet setting. This needs to be considered for any future development. CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING October 1, 2013 Page 10 of 18 I respectfully ask the Planning Department to enforce the existing guidelines already established, and reject the proposed PUD. Any future development should not be allowed to negatively affect the existing resident's quality of life. Sincerely, Greg Fischer” Mark Sass, 6275 Hummingbird Road, Chanhassen, stated he had lived on Murray Street for 25 years before he built his dream house 10 – 12 years ago. His home is situated about 200 feet from the roadway just like most of the houses in the neighborhood are. He noted he also has concerns about safety, fire access, density, widening part of the 13-foot-wide road [Summit Avenue] and hardcover at the top of roadway. If the P.U.D. is going to move forward all costs need to be paid for by the developer. He noted that he has been a remodeler by trade. He stated the row of houses being proposed does not fit in with the neighborhood. From his perspective it would be a track-home development in the middle of the existing beautiful environment. He noted that he understands that the owner of the property has the rights to develop it in some fashion. But, they must give some consideration to the neighborhood. He suggested developing fewer but larger homes that would match the neighborhood. He stated he thought the buildability of Lots 1 and 2 on the north end of the site is a big joke. He clarified it can be done but to try and get up the hill to those lots will be problematic. He noted when he built his house he had to move it further back because of a bluff ordinance; he has 600 feet to the roadway. He stated he still does not know how many houses the developer wants to build on the Chanhassen side. He commented it is a challenging area to build on. He stated the residents love their neighborhood. Krisan Osteberg, 6271 Hummingbird Road, Chanhassen, noted her property is located between Mr. Sass’s property and Mr. Liedtke’s property. She expressed her appreciation for the Chanhassen residents being given an opportunity to speak this evening. She noted that she and a number of residents in the neighborhood understand development because of their backgrounds in development. She stated she is a landscape architect and planner. She works around the country planning developments. She has done that for over 30 years. She asked the Planning Commission and staff to consider the standard that people are held to by the City of Chanhassen for this. She stated the public health, safety and welfare for the residents of that street to a large part comes from Chanhassen’s Zoning Code restrictions. She noted it would be difficult to do the proposed development in Chanhassen because of the topography. Lots 1 and 2 would be considered outlots. Ms. Osterberg stated there are drainage issues in the soil and on the hill. She is not sure if the engineers have had a chance to look into that. She then stated she thought it would be difficult to develop in the subject property area without having a good understanding of the soil conditions. And, how the underground water flows though the higher property and comes out of the sides of the hills while keeping the Summit Avenue, Murray Hill Road and Mayflower Road surfaces intact. She noted she thought the conservation easement idea is important especially if it matches land form and the value of the trees. She stated when she is planning development cities often hold her to a maximum incline of 7 degrees for short distances only especially in a winter climate. She questioned if the driveways would even be feasible. She stated without seeing a grading plan at a concept level it is difficult to understand what the crowning of the roadway would be for those lots. The ripple effect for the grading of the houses is also unknown at this time. Michael Daub, 6180 Murray Hill Road, stated he thought the question of density will come up about the neighborhood periodically. He noted the subject property is not in the sight line from his and his wife’s property. He stated they will be affected by stormwater flow and traffic. He explained that on the site CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING October 1, 2013 Page 11 of 18 location exhibit immediately north of his property there is the type of development along Oakview Court that is likely to come up for consideration in the future. By his count there are six structures built there. He is not sure if they are all twin homes. That development seems to fit in that area from his perspective. He thought opportunities for a development with the proposed type of density in the neighborhood would be between north of Chaska Road and north of Mayflower Road and Highway 7. But, not where it is being proposed. He stated he thought 20 years from now the neighborhood would be a little different. He did not think it could change much on the south side of Chaska Road and Mayflower Road. The roadways could handle the traffic better on the north side. The topography is generally flat. Alex Petrosian, 850 Saddlebrook Pass, Chanhassen, explained he is a unique resident of the neighborhood. In addition to his property located at 23130 Summit Avenue in Shorewood he also owns a property located at 6300 Hummingbird Road in Chanhassen. He commented that he had spent four years hunting for his first property. He was waiting for this Shorewood property to be put up for sale and he finally was able to purchase it at a price he thought was reasonable. He noted his two children attend schools in the Minnetonka School District. He stated he fell in love with his Shorewood property and decided that is where he wants to live even though it is run down property. He plans to build a house on the 23130 Summit Avenue property. He commented that people in the neighborhood bought their properties because they wanted privacy and they liked the trees. He noted that he bought his 6300 Hummingbird Road property for his wife’s parents. He wants to move them closer to him. To a neighborhood that is safe to walk in. He stated he does not want the neighborhood around Summit Avenue to change. It is not a row-house neighborhood. He then stated from his perspective it is almost impossible to build on Lots 1 and 2, the northerly two lots. He suggested leaving them for conservation. He noted he is not opposed to developing the other four lots. He also noted his building plans comply with the Shorewood Zoning Code. He asked that the developer be reasonable. He recommended the developer determine how the soil could handle what is being proposed. Heidi Wellberg, 6291 Hummingbird Road, Chanhassen, explained she moved into the neighborhood 15 years ago. She moved in because it was a unique neighborhood. When she moved in there were horses in the area. She expressed concern that people will not be able to get up the Summit Avenue hill to the proposed development during winter. Instead they will come down her street past her house and go around to avoid the hill. Her children, like many others, run across that street regularly. She explained there are only 16 houses in the neighborhood. With the proposed development in both Shorewood and Chanhassen traffic will be increased by 50 percent in front of her house during the winter. She stated from her perspective the neighborhood cannot support the addition of that many houses. She then stated she, and many others, would like to have some beautiful development in the area, but not that many houses. Ms. Daub commented she moved into her current home 12 years ago. At that time she was a single mom raising a son. She read an excerpt from the staff report which states “The developer’s expressed intent is to avoid massive site alteration of the steep, wooded slopes on the east and north sides of the property.” Another states “Shorewood has historically placed a high value on natural resources that help define the community – shoreland, wetlands, steep slopes and vegetation. As you read through the national Resources section of the Comprehensive Plan, you will note that much is made of protecting these features.” She stated from her perspective the destruction of the Summit Avenue hill area does not match up with that. Lea Foli, 6200 Hummingbird Road, Chanhassen, stated his north lot line is the Carver County/Hennepin County border. His property is located across the roadway from the two vacant lots in Chanhassen that will be built upon. He then stated the subject property is a beautiful piece of land. He noted he is surprised that an upscale developer does not have a little more imagination than to want to stick in four row houses. He expressed concern that the proposed development could depress the value of his property. He stated he CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING October 1, 2013 Page 12 of 18 cannot imagine four houses each with a driveway side by side at the top of the hill. He noted that he does not think that what is being proposed is a good idea. He stated he would like to see two beautiful homes on Lots 3 – 6 and one on the vacant property across from him. He noted there is an underground stream that runs underneath the proposed P.U.D. over to his property. Chair Geng closed the Public Testimony portion of the Public Hearing at 9:13 P.M. Chair Geng noted that staff’s recommendation is to continue this Public Hearing to November 5, 2013, Planning Commission meeting even though the developer is still in the Concept Stage. He stated there are some issues that need to be addressed. He asked if there is Planning Commission consensus to continue the hearing to its November meeting. If there is, he suggested holding off the Commission’s discussion about this until that meeting. Commissioner Davis stated she did not think the Planning Commission should hold off on its discussion. She noted that she works for civil engineers but she is not one. She asked where Summit Avenue is on the City’s 20-Year Pavement Improvement Plan (PMP). She also asked what improvements could be made to it. It is 13 feet wide which is almost the width of a driveway. She stated she thinks there are too many homes proposed for this area. The amount of grading that would have to be done would be very destructive. The erosion control will be terrible. She noted she has seen Mayflower Road under water and she appreciates the ice and snow situation. She stated she thought drainage will be a big problem. She expressed concern about having that magnitude of houses so close together. It would not be very aesthetic. She expressed concern about the increase in traffic on Summit Avenue because of the development. She noted that the City Engineer addressed some of the issues identified this evening in his staff report. She stated she thinks this proposal needs some serious thought. She stated she would like to know what it would look like if there were only four lots. Council Liaison Woodruff stated the PMP only includes resurfacing Summit Avenue at some point. Commissioner Labadie noted she agreed with many of the points Commissioner Davis made. She expressed concern about drainage. She asked if there has been a count of the number and types of trees that will have to be cut down for the houses alone. She stated she appreciates there is a concern about safety for everyone especially small children playing on roadways. The roadways are currently low traveled but if the development moves forward the traffic will increase a lot. She thought the proposed houses would be very close together and out of character with the neighborhood. She stated she would like to discuss this more during the November 5 Planning Commission meeting when the Commission will hopefully have been provided with more engineering information. She asked for information about the soils on the site. Commissioner Charbonnet stated he echoed the concerns just expressed by the other Commissioners. His two biggest concerns are Summit Avenue and drainage. He would like more information about that and the safety issues during the winter on Summit Avenue. Chair Geng stated in addition to concerns raised by the other Commissioners he noted he is very concerned about the substandard width of Summit Avenue and the problems it presents. Adding eight new houses (two in Chanhassen and six for the P.U.D.) increases the number of houses in the neighborhood substantially and they have to be served by the roadway. He noted he is concerned about the increase in the volume of traffic but not the traffic speed. He expressed concern about the proposed two northerly lots (Lots 1 and 2) and what the slope of the shared driveway would have to be. He also expressed concern about the aesthetic effects of the P.U.D. The Concept Plan does not appear to be in character with the existing neighborhood. He commented that he applauded all of the members of the CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING October 1, 2013 Page 13 of 18 audience who spoke, and noted that almost all conveyed they had no opposition to some amount of development. They just want development that comports with the neighborhood. Mr. Bona stated Homestead Partners does not want to come to the next meeting with the same proposal as a P.U.D. if the overall count of six houses is the problem. He explained Homestead knows it can satisfy code requirements by coming in with a plat with a total of six houses with four in Shorewood and two in Chanhassen. If that is the direction that would make more sense it would be helpful to know that now. He stated no matter what additional engineering information is brought back that will not mitigate concerns about traffic from there being six new houses along Summit Avenue. He asked for some direction from staff and the Planning Commission. Chair Geng stated he appreciates that Homestead is willing to contribute to the improvement of Summit Avenue which is alongside of the project area. But, that is only part of the roadway. That will not alleviate the concerns he has or those expressed this evening about the width of Summit Avenue as a whole. He then stated he is not sure where everyone is relative to a P.U.D. or a standard plat. He did hear a lot of concern expressed about there being six houses in that small proposed P.U.D. area; there are too many too close together. He explained although the area is 4.2 acres in size the amount of area along Summit Avenue is relatively small. Mr. Bona stated if Homestead goes back to a standard plat for four houses in Shorewood it would not require any variances. It would be a plan for straight zoning. He then stated if there are any improvements that could be made to the P.U.D. that would make the P.U.D. acceptable he would like to hear what they are. If people are leaning to the standard plat he would like to know that also. Commissioner Labadie reiterated what Chair Geng noted earlier and that is the Planning Commission is a recommending body only. She stated it is easier to get things passed when a plan is conforming. But, the Planning Commission cannot give a definitive answer this evening. Commissioner Davis stated part of the Planning Commission’s job is to ask the hard questions for Council and to gather as much information as is useful including various perspectives. She then stated the property owner has a right to develop their property. Hopefully, they would take the neighborhood into consideration. She commented that the subject property is a gorgeous piece of property. If two lots were to be put in the low area on the north side the amount of grading and retaining wall needed would be substantial. She noted that from her perspective the Summit Avenue roadway is the deciding factor. Mr. Bona concurred that Summit Avenue is very narrow. He noted Homestead has had the City Engineer involved in discussions about the Concept Plan. Council Liaison Woodruff stated that this evening the Planning Commission is discussing the Concept Plan P.U.D. while noting the meeting packet contains a copy of a six-lot conforming R-1C plat with four of the lots being in Shorewood. If the Commission is going to consider something else from Homestead it needs the facts about it. He noted that this evening he has heard some people say a conforming plan would be more acceptable. He stated he personally would like to hear more about the option for two lots along Galpin Lake Road and the four lots along Summit Avenue. He then stated for the residents of Chanhassen in the audience he noted he appreciated their comments but their property issues need to be addressed to Chanhassen’s Planning Department and Council. He commented the Shorewood Council has nothing to say about what happens in Chanhassen. Mr. Petrosian asked how the public will know about discussions about this subject property. He then asked how Chanhassen residents will find out about what has or has not been decided or proposed. CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING October 1, 2013 Page 14 of 18 Chair Geng explained that is what this Public Hearing is about. Discussions between developers and staff are informal. Decisions about the P.U.D. or a conforming proposal are made by the City Council. He noted there is nothing nefarious going on behind closed doors. The outcome of discussions so far is reflected in the Concept Plan being discussed this evening. Mr. Petrosian asked if the City’s website will contain information about changes to this proposal or any other proposal. Council Liaison Woodruff stated the meeting packet for this meeting with the exhibits was placed on the City’s website the end of last week. The packet for the next meeting will be out on the website by Thursday evening the week before the meeting. The draft minutes will be included in the meeting packet. In response to a comment from Commissioner Davis, Director Nielsen explained the developer has the option under the City’s P.U.D. Ordinance to submit a Concept Plan and Development Stage Plan at the same time. Director Nielsen stated he understood Mr. Bona to be asking if Homestead should scrap the P.U.D. and go to standard zoning and submit a preliminary plat for that. That would require its own public hearing. Davis moved, Charbonnet seconded, continuing the Public Hearing for the Summit Woods Planned Unit Development Concept Plan to the Planning Commission’s November 5, 2013, meeting. Motion passed 5/0. Director Nielsen noted it is the Planning Commission’s prerogative as to whether or not it wants to reopen the Public Testimony portion of the Public Hearing on November 5 because that has been closed. If the Commission wants to take testimony on new information that is up to the Commission to decide. Council Liaison Woodruff commented the Planning Commission has not denied the P.U.D. nor asked the developer to bring back an alternative proposal. He reiterated Director Nielsen’s clarification that a preliminary plat would require its own public hearing. He stated the Commission has to make some recommendation on the P.U.D. proposal unless the applicant withdraws it. Chair Geng closed the Public Hearing at 9:45 P.M. Chair Geng thanked the members of the audience for coming this evening and sharing their views. Commissioner Charbonnet departed the meeting at 9:46 P.M. 2. MINOR SUBDIVISION Applicant: Margaret Prehall Location: 4828 Rustic Way Director Nielsen explained Margaret Prehall owns the property at 4828 Rustic Way. Her son, Sam, has applied on her behalf for a minor subdivision to divide the property into two lots. As part of this request, Mr. Prehall has requested that the City vacate 10 feet of the right-of-way (ROW) of Rustic Way. The property is located in the R-1D/S, Single-Family Residential/Shoreland zoning district and contains 35,374 square feet of area. The property abuts Lake William on the west side. A lot of the property sits on a bluff overlooking the Lake. It is currently occupied by the owner’s single-family residence; the residence is located on the west side of the property closer to the Lake. CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING October 1, 2013 Page 15 of 18 The proposed partial street vacation contains an additional 1610 square feet in area, bringing the total area of the property to 36,984. The proposed westerly lot would contain 26,977 square feet in area and the easterly lot would contain 10,007 square feet of area. The proposed house would be located on the high part of the new lot. The lot with the existing home on it continues to drop in elevation toward Lake William. An existing utility easement cuts across the westerly portion of the property and a city “fire lane” borders the south side of the lot (the fire lane is a platted city street that has never been developed). With regard to the proposed partial street vacation, Nielsen noted it would be subject to a public hearing at the City Council level. That will occur later this month. He explained that the existing ROW for Rustic Way is 60 feet wide; Shorewood’s standard for city streets is 50 feet. Mr. Prehall has requested that the northerly 10 feet of ROW be vacated and combined with the subject property. The applicant has spoken with the neighbors to the south. The travelled surface of Rustic Way is situated on the southerly portion of the existing ROW. The City has no plans to move that roadway further to the north or widen it. The City Engineer has reviewed the request and indicated no utilities are located in the portion of the ROW to be vacated, and that there would be ample room for utilities in the smaller ROW. There is sewer under the roadway. Currently there is no municipal water in the area. Staff recommends, as a matter of policy, that the City reserve an easement for drainage and utilities over the vacated portion of the ROW. With regard to the proposed subdivision, Nielsen explained the westerly lot would be 2.5 times larger than the minimum lot size for the R-1D zoning district. The new easterly lot would comply with zoning standards and is a suitable location for the new house intended to be built by Mr. Prehall. The location of the new house takes advantage of the “average setback rule” provided in Shorewood’s Zoning Code. That provision recognizes the setbacks of adjoining lots. Where the adjoining houses are less than the minimum front setback, the new house may be built at the average between the two. In this case, the average setback is 21.7 feet. The proposed house on the new lot would comply with the 25 percent maximum hardcover requirement for a Shoreland lot. He noted that there is some precedent for the partial vacation of excess ROW. The same thing was done for four lots approximately one block west of the subject property. Based on the analysis of the case, Nielsen stated staff recommends approval of the minor subdivision subject to the following. 1. The applicant must provide legal descriptions and deeds for drainage and utility easements, 10 feet around each lot, including the vacated portion of right-of-way. (The surveyor has submitted them.) 2. The applicant must provide an up-to-date (within 30 days) title opinion for review by the City Attorney. 3. Prior to release of the resolution approving the request, the applicants must pay one park dedication fee ($5000) and one local sanitary sewer access charge ($1200). Credit is given for the lot with the existing house on it. 4. Since the division itself does not result in the removal of any trees from the property, tree preservation and reforestation can be addressed at the time building permits are applied for. Nielsen noted that Mr. Prehall and his wife are present this evening. CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING October 1, 2013 Page 16 of 18 Geng moved, Davis seconded, recommending approval of a minor subdivision for Margaret Prehall, 4828 Rustic Way, subject to the conditions listed in the staff report. Council Liaison Woodruff stated he added up the hardcover listed on one of the exhibits in the meeting packet. It comes out exactly 2500 square feet which is okay. But, the surveyor comes up with 2503 square feet. That is over by about one-half a square foot of hardcover on the survey. He asked which is right. Director Nielsen noted the exhibit was an earlier drawing and it was used because it was a cleaner drawing. Commissioner Davis noted that 2503 is 25 percent of 10,011 square feet. Sam. Prehall, 4820 Rustic Way, stated if the subdivision gets approved he knows he will have to do some detailed work on what the actual house and driveway would be like. He stated the drawings provided were intended to show that the new lot is buildable. Motion passed 4/0. Chair Geng noted that the Planning Commission is a recommending body only. And, that this item will be placed on the October 28, 2013, Council meeting agenda. 3. MINOR SUBDIVISION Applicant: Tom and Kelly Cooper Location: 22630 Murray Street Director Nielsen explained Tom and Kelly Cooper own the property located at 22630 Murray Street. They have applied for a minor subdivision to divide the property into two lots. The property is located in the R-1C/S, Single-Family Residential/Shoreland zoning district. That district requires a minimum lot size of 20,000 square feet and it is subject to shoreland management requirements. The property contains 81,973 square feet of area and is occupied by the applicants’ home, which sits back on the highest portion of the lot. The property is situated between Murray Street on the south and Galpin Lane (a private road) on the north. The proposed westerly lot would be 37,657 square feet in area and the easterly lot would be 20,915 square feet in area. With regard to the analysis of the case, Nielsen explained both of the proposed lots meet or exceed the requirements of the R-1C/S zoning district. The only right-of-way issue is Murray Street is somewhat substandard in right-of-way (ROW) width adjoining the southeasterly corner of the subject property. As part of the subdivision the applicant is dedicating additional ROW to make that portion of the street the required 50 feet wide. The applicants had considered having the existing driveway serve both lots. They have decided to keep the current driveway for the new lot. They will build a new driveway for their house when a new house is built on the new lot. There is an existing sanitary sewer line that runs through the property, but not down the property line. Therefore, the westerly lot will widen somewhat at the north end to make up for a wider-than-normal sewer easement located on the west side of the lot. Based on the analysis of the case, Nielsen stated staff recommends approval of the minor subdivision subject to the following. 1. The applicants must provide legal descriptions and deeds for drainage and utility easements, 10 feet around each lot. The easement on the west side of the property will be somewhat wider so as to have 10 feet on the east side of the existing sewer line located there. 2. The applicants must provide a legal description for the proposed additional road easement in the southeast corner of the property. CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING October 1, 2013 Page 17 of 18 3. The applicant must provide an up-to-date (within 30 days) title opinion for review by the City Attorney. 4. Prior to release of the resolution approving the request, the applicants must pay one park dedication fee ($5000) and one local sanitary sewer access charge ($1200). Credit is allowed for the previous home on the site. 5. Since the division itself does not result in the removal of any trees from the property, tree preservation and reforestation can be addressed at the time building permits are applied for. Nielsen noted the Coopers are present. Davis moved, Muehlberg seconded, recommending approval of a minor subdivision for Tom and Kelly Cooper, 22630 Murray Street, subject to the conditions listed in the staff report. Motion passed 4/0. Chair Geng noted this item will be placed on the October 28, 2013, Council meeting agenda. 4. DISCUSS START TIME FOR THE NOVEMBER 5, 2013, MEETING Director Nielsen explained November 5, 2013, is an election day. Staff considered rescheduling the meeting for November 19. Staff is recommending changing the start of the time of the November 5 meeting to 8:00 P.M. which is when the polls close. There was Planning Commission consensus to start its November 5, 2013, at 8:00 P.M. Council Liaison Woodruff stated because of the delayed start time for the meeting he asked if it would be possible to again send a mailing to the same people notified of the Summit Woods public hearing. Director Nielsen stated for sure it could be posted on the City’s website and depending on the number of properties to notify a postcard mailing could possibly be sent. 5. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR There were no matters from the floor presented this evening. 6. OLD BUSINESS / NEW BUSINESS Director Nielsen stated he needs a Planning Commission liaison for the October City Council meetings. Chair Geng offered to be the liaison. 7. DRAFT NEXT MEETING AGENDA Director Nielsen stated the public hearing for the Summit Woods has been continued to the November 5, 2013, Planning Commission meeting. There is a site plan review and an interim conditional use permit for the 5680 County Road 19 property (the old gas station / bait shop) also slated for that meeting agenda. Chair Geng suggested having a discussion about meeting attendance on the November 5, 2013, meeting agenda. CITY OF SHOREWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING October 1, 2013 Page 18 of 18 8. REPORTS • Liaison to Council Commissioner Labadie reported on the September 23, 2013, Council meeting (as detailed in the minutes of that meeting). Council Liaison Woodruff elaborated on her report. • SLUC Commissioner Davis stated the Sensible Land Use Coalition (SLUC) session on October 30, 2013, is a Roundtable of Knowledge. She thought that session is the most fun SLUC session she has ever attended. She encouraged the Planning Commissioners to try and attend that meeting. Director Nielsen stated the budget for SLUC sessions may have been used up. He will check on that. • Other None. 9. ADJOURNMENT Labadie moved, Davis seconded, Adjourning the Planning Commission Meeting of October 1, 2013, at 10:22 P.M. Motion passed 4/0. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, Christine Freeman, Recorder