PC-08-05-14
CITY OF SHOREWOOD COUNCIL CHAMBERS
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING 5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD
TUESDAY, AUGUST 5, 2014 7:00 P.M.
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
Chair Geng called the meeting to order at 7:04 P.M.
ROLL CALL
Present: Chair Geng; Commissioners Davis, Labadie, and Maddy; and, Planning Director Nielsen
Absent: Commissioner Muehlberg
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Davis moved, Maddy seconded, approving the agenda for August 5, 2014, as presented. Motion
passed 4/0.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
July 1, 2014
Davis moved, Labadie seconded, approving the Planning Commission Meeting Minutes of July 1,
2014, as presented. Motion passed 4/0.
S T U D Y S E S S I O N
1. TRAIL PLANS
• Trail Priorities
Director Nielsen apologized for not providing a Trail Plan Priorities map overlaid with future street
projects and noted that it will be very easy for him to describe. He also noted the meeting packet contains
a copy of the Trail map.
Director Nielsen explained that for the most part all of the Priority I trail projects are done or in progress.
The County Road 19 trail segment (from the Smithtown Crossing to the LRT Trail) was constructed first.
The Smithtown Road west sidewalk (from the Shorewood/Victoria border to the intersection with Eureka
Road/LRT Trail) was constructed next. During its August 11, 2014, meeting Council will be asked to
award the construction bid for the Galpin Lake Road walkway segment (from the Shorewood/Chanhassen
border to the Shorewood/Excelsior border). A trail walk for the Smithtown Road east walkway segment
(from the Eureka Road/LRT Trail intersection to Smithtown Crossing) is planned for the Planning
Commission’s September meeting. Construction for that segment is scheduled for 2015. The Mill Street
walkway segment project was put on hold for a while mainly because the City of Excelsior is not ready to
construct its portion of that trail.
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There are two walkway projects that will coincide with roadway projects. The first is the Strawberry Lane
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segment (from Smithtown Road to West 62 Street on to Cathcart Park). It is scheduled for 2019 along
with the reconstruction of Strawberry Lane. The other is the Eureka Road north segment. Constructing the
Strawberry Lane segment in conjunction with reconstructing the roadway will cost about one-half of the
cost of constructing the segment standalone. He thinks the Strawberry Lane is the highest priority of the
Priority II trails because of the volume of traffic on Strawberry Lane and because of the Boulder Cove
development in the City of Chanhassen.
• Safe Routes to Schools
Director Nielsen noted that a number of years ago [2008] the City and the Minnetonka School District
applied for a safe routes to school (SRTS) grant for a warning light for near the Minnewashta Elementary
School. He stated that he and Finance Director DeJong attended a SRTS summit a few weeks ago. He
explained they were told that just because you develop a SRTS plan it does not mean a city will get a
grant. A SRTS plan is more of a program. The summit organizers were more interested in getting children
to, for example, ride bikes more. They were not that interested in talking about trails. At the summit he
told the organizers that parents are not going to encourage their children to ride their bikes if there is no
safe place to do that.
A number of years back the School put in place some of the things the SRTS program looks for. For
example, it implemented the pedestrian bus concept where a person carrying a “pedestrian bus” sign leads
rows of children walking to or from school.
He stated staff will get together with representatives from Minnewashta Elementary School to discuss
what it will take to apply for a SRTS grant(s) for the Smithtown Road east and Strawberry Lane
walkways. Any trail / walkway segment would be a safe route to school; in particular the Smithtown
Road east and Strawberry Lane segments. Staff may also discuss that with representatives from the
Minnetonka School District. He then stated if there is a safe place for children to walk and ride bikes it
could potentially reduce the vehicle traffic because not as many children will have to be driven to school.
Children are not bused to school if they live within two miles of the School. He went on to state if there
was money available he thought the next segment would be from basically Shorewood Lane to the City of
Excelsior. People from the west end of Shorewood could then get to Excelsior’s trail system.
Commissioner Davis stated if residents can get to the LRT Trail safely they can then get to Excelsior or
the City of Victoria. She asked what the status is for the Lake Minnetonka LRT Regional Trail Overpass
at County Road 19. Director Nielsen stated he thought the Three Rivers Park District (TRPD) was going
to open bids late July and it would be built in 2015. Nielsen noted that he will get that information from
the City Engineer and email it to the Commissioners. Davis stated a lot of people ask about the overpass.
Director Nielsen stated it is his recollection that a resident who lives in Gideon Woods complained about
the overpass. That individual did not think there had been enough process. People were not very aware of
it.
Commissioner Davis asked if repairs had been made to the new Smithtown Road west sidewalk. Director
Nielsen explained there had been a utility break somewhere in that area and a segment of sidewalk needed
to be repaired. A house is being built in the area and a contractor left some rocks on the sidewalk. That
contractor was parking heavy equipment on the sidewalk this past winter. In addition to a driveway for
the new house there will be another driveway in the area put in and that will result in disruption to a
segment of the sidewalk. That will be at that property owner’s expense.
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Commissioner Labadie clarified that children can be bused to school for a fee if they live less than two
miles from the School. The fee is $100 per child with a maximum of $250 per family. Basically every
child attending Minnewashta Elementary School has to pay to ride the bus. She stated she has a very good
relationship with the principal at the School and the PTO president. She offered to approach them on a
SRTS program if there is something Director Nielsen needs.
Director Nielsen noted a large component of the SRTS program is school oriented.
Commissioner Davis stated there are residents in her neighborhood who followed their children who road
their bicycles to schools in their cars.
Commissioner Labadie noted there is no safe way for her daughter to get to school on her bicycle. She
stated if there is a group of ten of them then she feels her daughter is safe. They get there by going on less
busy streets. She noted that parents of school age children are not going to let their children cross
Smithtown Road to get to the new trail to go to school.
Commissioner Davis stated it would be nice to have some safe passage down that part of Eureka Road.
Commissioner Maddy asked if Eureka Road north is going to be reconstructed.
Director Nielsen noted that the Finance Director changed the Street Reconstruction Capital Improvement
Program (CIP) to reflect a mill and overlay for Eureka Road north. The Public Works Director asked that
it be changed back to reconstruction. He stated that roadway will not be reconstructed to Minnesota State
Aid (MSA) standards and therefore it is no longer classified as an MSA roadway. He noted that he will
send information about the timing of project out with the information about the overpass.
2. NOISE ORDINANCE
Director Nielsen stated the situation near Hillendale Road is more of an activity issue rather than a noise
issue. He explained there is at least one decent code that addresses the use of all-terrain vehicles (ATVs).
It states that ATVs can be started up to load them onto a trailer to take them somewhere but they cannot
be operated in the City of Shorewood. That ordinance treats snowmobiles the same way.
Nielsen explained that in 2013 the Planning Commission spent a fair amount of time talking about a noise
ordinance. An ordinance the City has not had for 30 years.
Chair Geng stated the copy of the draft ordinance included in the meeting packet seems to be the same as
it was when in was discussed last year. He thought the ordinance is good. Commissioner Davis concurred.
Commissioner Labadie stated she likes that snow removal equipment is exempt from the hourly
restrictions on operations.
Commissioner Davis stated she likes the exemption for emergency work. She then stated the use of
recreational vehicles not licensed for travel on public highways is addressed.
Director Nielsen noted that the optional provision under Subd.20.a.(4) allows a homeowner or occupant
to do construction, repairs or maintenance, including lawn maintenance, between the hours of 8:00 a.m.
and 6:00 p.m. on Sundays and public holidays. Commissioner Davis asked if that means no leaf blowing
after 6:00 p.m. on Sundays. Nielsen noted it does. Commissioner Davis noted that item 2 conflicts with
that. Davis recommended taking lawn maintenance out of the optional provision.
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Commissioner Maddy asked if dirt bikes are licensed for travel on public highways. He stated the driver
of a dirt bike may consider them self exempt because they are not driving or operating a minibike or
snowmobile.
There was ensuring discussion about the use of dirt bikes on City streets in residential neighborhoods.
Commissioner Maddy asked if the City’s hours match up with the City of Excelsior’s. Director Nielsen
responded mostly but there were a couple of differences and he thought one of the differences was for
refuse hauling. Chair Geng asked if Excelsior revised its ordinance. He suggested researching what
Excelsior’s current ordinance states before forwarding this to Council for consideration. Nielsen asked if
the Planning Commission wants to discuss the ordinance again once he finds out how Excelsior changed
it ordinance. Commissioner Davis stated only if its hours of restriction changed significantly.
Maddy noted that he thought the 9:30 p.m. end time for recreational vehicles and domestic power
equipment is pretty late because he has small children. Commissioner Davis stated she also thinks that is
late. Director Nielsen concurred.
The following changes were agreed to.
Subd. 20.a.(1) Recreational vehicles and Subd. 20.a.(2) Domestic power equipment – the 9:30
p.m. end times were changed to 9:00 p.m.
The verbiage about hours of operation will be changed so that it is consistent in items a.(1) –
a.(4).
Subd. 20.a.(4) Construction activities – in the optional provisions the construction hours were
changed to 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m.. They had been 8:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Including lawn
maintenance will be removed. The word optional will be removed.
Davis moved, Labadie seconded, recommending approval of the Ordinance amending Title 500 of
the Shorewood Zoning Code regarding nuisances (noise) as amended above provided the City of
Excelsior has not significantly changed its hours of operation. Motion passed 4/0.
3. GREENSTEP CITIES PROGRAM UPATE
Director Nielsen explained the City has implemented a number of the GreenStep Cities Program best
practices (BPs). The City has reached the first step in the program and it received a small recognition
award for doing so. There are some areas that the Planning Commission should work on.
Chair Geng suggested focusing on the items the Commission needs to address.
Director Nielsen highlighted and explained the items for the Planning Commission; items that have been
completed since the first GreenStep was achieved and items that need to be done.
Density bonus – The increased density proposed for the Smithtown Crossing redevelopment area
is being considered by Council. Council has asked for more information (e.g., sketches of what
60 units on four acres might look like).
Historic preservation ordinance – The City Ordinance contains a provision that allows people to
keep old, historic, nonconforming structures and still be able to add accessory structures.
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Development and design standards that facilitate infill and redevelopment – The Smithtown
Crossing Redevelopment Study did that. The implementation the Planning Commission
recommended to the Council also fulfills that.
Mixed uses – The Planning Commission has recommended to Council higher density for senior
housing. The Comprehensive Plan states the City should be addressing and providing some
variety of housing for seniors. The Smithtown Crossing Redevelopment Study specifically talks
about that.
Safe routes to school (SRTS) – The Planning Commission will be involved with that effort.
Renewable energy: solar energy standards and model wind energy ordinance – The Planning
Commission will be involved from a residential regulatory perspective. If the City decides to
implement renewable energy alternatives that will have to be regulated as well.
Buildings located within walking distance of transit and/or residential zoning – This is an ongoing
item. For example, the Smithtown Road east walkway segment will connect the Smithtown
Crossing area to the Minnewashta Elementary School and the residents beyond.
Commissioner Davis asked if the City reviews the status of its progress with implementing GreenStep
Cities BPs often. Director Nielsen stated not often enough. He thought it should be reviewed at least
annually. It has been two years since a review has been done. Davis stated that it is possible that
additional practices may have been implemented as part of normal business.
Davis then stated the City might be able to get credit for backyard gardening and chickens. Commissioner
Labadie stated that is BP Local Food 27.4.b.
Commissioner Labadie questioned if the City could get credit for being a bee-safe city. Commissioner
Davis stated maybe backyard gardening could include bees.
Commissioner Davis stated she thought the City used to advertise that it was a tree city. BP Urban Forests
16.1 is about qualifying for being a tree city. Director Nielsen stated he is not sure the City still is. Davis
suggested finding out what it takes to qualify. Davis noted that BP 16.2 talks about adopting as policy
Minnesota Tree Trusts’ BPs and using the guidelines in at least one development project to achieve an
excellent and exemplary rating. There may be other BPs under Urban Forests that the City has or could
easily implement.
Chair Geng noted the City is the first city in Minnesota and third in the nation to pass a policy
encouraging planting bee-friendly flowers and restricting certain pesticides.
4. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR
There were no matters from the floor presented this evening.
5. OLD BUSINESS / NEW BUSINESS
6. DRAFT NEXT MEETING AGENDA
Director Nielsen stated that in order to get the Smithtown Road east walkway feasibility report to Council
in September the Planning Commission needs to walk the area during its September 2, 2014 meeting. He
noted that the Commission has an informal policy not to meet the day after a holiday. He stated it is
starting to get dark earlier. He thought the walk would take about one hour. He suggested starting that
meeting at 6:00 P.M. and allowing up to 90 minutes for the walk. Applications will not be scheduled until
after 7:30 P.M.
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Nielsen stated that in addition to the trail/sidewalk walk there will be two applications on the September 2
meeting agenda. One is a minor subdivision. The other is for a conditional use permit (C.U.P.). The
property owners want to build more accessory space and there is already a nonconforming structure on
the property. The City Ordinance states a property owner cannot add accessory space if there is a
nonconforming structure except if it is architecturally significant, culturally significant or historically
significant. It is up to the applicant’s architect to justify why the nonconforming structure should remain.
Chair Geng asked if Jon Monson is the C.U.P. applicant. Director Nielsen responded yes. Geng stated he
knows Mr. Monson and when he was with him recently Mr. Monson asked if they could go over what he
was proposing with him. Geng noted that he told him that would not be a good idea and explained why.
Mr. Monson clarified he was not trying to do anything improper. He related that Mr. Monson had
indicated that Shorewood does things different than, for example, the City of Excelsior. He stated he
thought it was nice that someone reacted positively to that.
Director Nielsen stated the Planning Commission will receive a copy of the feasibility report on the
Smithtown Road east walkway before it goes on its trail walk.
Chair Geng asked what the timetable is for that project. Director Nielsen explained the feasibility report is
due by August 27. The Planning Commission will do the trail walk, discuss the report and make its
recommendation on September 2. Council will consider the report on September 8. The Planning
Commission will host a neighborhood meeting on September 30. In mid-October Council will award the
contract for land acquisition services and authorize the preparation of plans and specifications. The
ground breaking ceremony will be the end of June 2015.
In response to a question from Commissioner Maddy, Director Nielsen stated the walkway will end at
County Road 19. Nielsen reiterated that he thought the next trail priority after Strawberry Lane would be
to extend the Smithtown Road trail from County Road 19 to Excelsior.
Commissioner Davis asked if Excelsior would cooperate on that extension. Director Nielsen stated he
hoped so and that he hoped Hennepin County would also help. Davis stated she assumes the people along
Galpin Lake Road are happy because of that trail. Nielsen stated most are.
7. REPORTS
• Liaison to Council
Chair Geng reported on Council’s July 24 meeting (as detailed in the minutes of that meeting).
• SLUC
Director Nielsen stated he has been somewhat disappointed with the Sensible Land Use Coalition (SLUC)
offerings lately.
Commissioner Davis stated the round tables of knowledge will be coming up and that she thinks those are
quite good.
• Other
Commissioner Davis asked if the City has heard anything more from the residents in the Summit Avenue
area.
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Chair Geng stated he was at the Minnehaha Creek Watershed District (MCWD) Board of Managers
meeting on July 31. He explained that about ten Summit Avenue area residents showed up because the
MCWD was considering a permit for the planned unit development (PUD) in the City of Chanhassen not
far from the Summit Avenue area. The developer had excavated the southernmost property on the PUD
site and left huge mounds of dirt. The mounds were easily 15 feet high. The developer had not put any silt
fences in. The stormwater flowed across the street and flooded several yards. The residents brought
photographs that had been taken the previous day to show the Board. The developer had egg on his face.
The Board was quite concerned because the silt fences were not up. What should have been a relatively
simple permitting matter ended up consuming about 45 minutes of time. He noted there was nothing the
MCWD could do because it does not have regulatory authority over that part of Chanhassen.
Director Nielsen explained Shorewood is a local government unit (LGU) and it delegates that work to the
MCWD for areas within the MCWD’s jurisdiction. Because the Riley-Purgatory-Bluff Creek Watershed
District (RPBCWD) was not doing much with permitting a number of years ago the City obtained
approval to have the MCWD have jurisdiction over that small area in the City that is in the RPBCWD
boundaries. That area is basically the Christmas Lake and Silver Lake areas. Chanhassen is its own LGU.
Chair Geng stated those residents raised other issues not relevant to the MCWD. For example, they
criticized the rain gardens. MCWD staff stated those rain gardens were well designed. He then stated a
couple of the members of the Board asked if any of the trees in the conservation easement area would be
damaged by construction. They also asked if the protection area should extend out further than the drip
line.
Director Nielsen stated for the Summit Woods PUD the only things that will be built close to the
easement are the rain gardens. The easement area in Shorewood will be fenced off before any digging
begins.
Chair Geng stated the MCWD staff was on top of things for the most part. He then stated it appears the
work Shorewood did as part of the various PUD approval processes was good from the MCWD’s
perspective.
Director Nielsen stated the City’s engineers had never seen a response from the Minnesota Department of
Transportation (MnDOT) like the one the City received regarding the Summit Avenue traffic study. He
explained that in Minnesota the standard posted speed for a residential street is 30 miles per hour unless a
speed study is done and extreme circumstances are found which indicate it should be lower than that. A
new posted speed is set to the speed 85 percent of the traffic was traveling at. Therefore, the posted speed
could be increased. The study came back with a recommendation to not post a speed or advisory on
Summit Avenue. Residents are expected to drive according to the conditions (the narrowness of
Hummingbird Road and the curves and hill on Summit Avenue). He noted the City is still going to
consider which of the four alternatives for improving Summit Avenue should be pursued. He clarified that
the residents there do not like any of the four.
In response to a comment from Commissioner Davis, Chair Geng noted the City of Saint Bonifacius has
regulated the use of drones in the City. It is the first City to have done that. There was ensuing discussion
about drones.
Commissioner Davis asked what the next ordinance the Planning Commission will work on is about.
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Director Nielsen explained why the ordinance amendment related to higher density for elderly housing
was not adopted by Council during its July 28, 2014, meeting. Council wants to look at sketches of what
that type of density would look like and how it would fit on the Smithtown Crossing site. There was
concern about how 15 units per acre might look. The information from which staff determined that the
City has a need for senior housing is about 23 years old. The Mayor thought that need should be revisited.
If the rest of Council agrees with that then he will propose having Mr. Rick Fenske, an expert on senior
housing, come to a future Council work session to talk about life cycle housing. He assumes the
Commissioners could attend.
Nielsen stated the next area will be related to the GreenStep City Program best practices. The Planning
Commission has briefly discussed wind generators and Council has suggested alternative energy in
general be discussed with a focus on wind energy and solar energy. He explained Council has asked that a
request for proposal be written for a consultant to do a study about what alternative energy opportunities
there are for the City. On February 24, 2014 the Council heard a presentation by a representative of a
company that proposed the City install a solar array that would provide some portion of the electric power
consumed by the Southshore Community Center (SSCC), the Badger Park well building, Badger Field
and Shorewood City Hall. The company would pay all of the infrastructure costs and basically sell the
electricity to the City at a rate less than or equal to Xcel Energy’s rate. The rate would be guaranteed for a
number of years. Some Council members were uncomfortable with moving forward so quickly. He
clarified that the Commission would be discussing alternative energy from a regulatory perspective for
residential properties.
Chair Geng stated that in July he attended the Workshop-on-the-Water. The workshop was presented by
the University of Minnesota in cooperation with the Basset Creek Watershed Management Commission;
Carver Water Management; the Minnehaha Creek Watershed District; the Nine Mile Creek Watershed
District; and, the Riley-Purgatory-Bluff Creek Watershed District. The workshop was held on the Queen
of Excelsior. He noted the workshop was very good. It was about water quality. He stated there will be
another workshop in September and it will be about stream bank restoration.
Commissioner Davis explained that this year she was a judge for Metro Blooms for the Urban Garden
awards. There were 1,000 gardens and 100 judges. She had 10 gardens to judge. She saw two gardens in
south Minneapolis that were incredibly beautiful. They were typical homes in residential neighborhoods.
She saw a fairy garden on a boulevard that was spectacular. People can look at last year’s pictures on
Metro Blooms’ website. It would be fun for the South Lake area to do something like that. She noted she
did not see any rain gardens on the properties she judged. She spoke with Metro Blooms about possibly
putting on another rain garden session in the South Lake area. She indicated she would be willing to
coordinate that endeavor. She noted that rain gardens require more maintenance than a garden.
Commissioner Maddy asked if people have tried Milorganite. It is not touted to control deer but people
say it does. Director Nielsen stated the operators at the camp ground they leave their camper at have
indicated it works well to help control deer.
Maddy stated he liked the rain garden idea. He noted the GreenStep Cities BP Stormwater 17.5 is about
adopting and implementing guidelines for, or adopting required design standards for at least one of the
following stormwater infiltration/reuse techniques: rain gardens, green roofs and green alleys. He stated
his property is on about 200 feet of clay. He asked if that is an issue for a rain garden. Director Nielsen
responded it is and noted that Shorewood is not the ideal place for rain gardens because they depend on
infiltration. When they are on clay the gardens need to have an outlet on the bottom.
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Chair Geng noted that the Minnehaha Creek Watershed District (MCWD) has a cost share program. The
intent of that program is to encourage the implementation of best management practices.
8. ADJOURNMENT
Maddy moved, Davis seconded, Adjourning the Planning Commission Meeting of August 5, 2014,
at 8:43 P.M. Motion passed 4/0.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Christine Freeman, Recorder