PC-11-17-15
CITY OF SHOREWOOD COUNCIL CHAMBERS
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING 5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD
TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 17, 2015 7:00 P.M.
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
Vice-Chair Davis called the meeting to order at 7:01 P.M.
ROLL CALL
Present: Chair Geng; Commissioners Bean, Davis, and Maddy (arrived at 7:02 P.M.); Planning
Director Nielsen; and Council Liaison Woodruff
Absent: Commissioner Johnson
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Bean moved, Geng seconded, approving the agenda for November 17, 2015, as presented. Motion
passed 3/0.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
October 6, 2015
Maddy moved, Davis seconded, approving the Planning Commission Meeting Minutes of October
6, 2015, as presented. Motion passed 3/0/1 with Bean abstaining due to his absence at the meeting.
1. PUBLIC HEARING – CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR OUTDOOR SALES AND
DISPLAY (AUTO SALES)
Applicant: William Kasper, WS Sales of Shorewood
Location: 19245 State Highway 7
Vice-Chair Davis opened the Public Hearing at 7:03 noting the procedures used in a Public Hearing. She
explained the Planning Commission is comprised of residents of the City of Shorewood who are serving
as volunteers on the Commission. The Commissioners are appointed by the City Council. The
Commission’s role is to help the City Council in determining zoning and planning issues. One of the
Commission’s responsibilities is to hold public hearings and to help develop the factual record for an
application and to make a non-binding recommendation to the City Council. The recommendation is
advisory only. She noted that if the Planning Commission makes a recommendation this evening this item
will go before the City Council on November 23, 2015. She stated this evening the Planning Commission
is going to consider a conditional use permit (C.U.P.) for outdoor sales and display for automobile sales
for William Kasper, with WS Sales of Shorewood, 19245 State Highway 7.
Director Nielsen explained William Kasper, with WS Sales of Shorewood, proposes to operate a used car
sales lot behind the office building located at 19245 State Highway 7. The property is zoned C-1, General
Commercial. The C-1 District allows open and outdoor sales by C.U.P. The property contains
approximately 18,152 square feet of area. It has frontages on both Vine Hill Road and the service road for
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Highway 7. The site is currently occupied by an office building containing approximately 3000 square
feet of area on about one and one half levels of building.
The zoning and land use surrounding the site are as follows:
North: State Highway 7, then commercial in Deephaven
East: Restaurant, zoned C-1, and residential in Minnetonka
South: Self-storage facility, zoned C-1
West: Small office building, zoned C-1.
The applicant proposes to lease a small office at the rear of the building and use a portion of the existing
parking lot for a limited display of cars for sale. The applicant’s proposal is based on a similar C.U.P.
issued in 1998 to Pelican Car Company for the same site. Pelican operated for a short time as a low-key
operation. He noted the meeting packet contained a copy of a site plan, showing the existing building and
proposed parking layout. It also contained photos of the building and rear parking area. He explained the
applicant proposes to display as many as six cars for sale in the rear parking area, noting it was not a great
display area
With regard to the analysis of the case, Nielsen reviewed how Mr. Kasper’s request complies with Section
1201.21 Subd. 4.e. of the Shorewood Zoning Code.
1. The proposed outdoor sales area cannot be larger than the gross floor area of the principal use.
The office building contains 3000 square feet of floor area. A car parking space occupies 180
square feet. Therefore, 16 spaces for auto display could be located on the property. The required
parking will dictate how much display area can be allowed on the site as noted in item 5 below.
2. The proposed auto display area is only visible to adjoining residential properties on the east side
of Vine Hill Road, in Minnetonka. These residences are fairly well screened already. He noted
that earlier in the day the City received a copy of a letter (a copy of which is on file) from the
owners of the property located at 5117 Vine Hill road which is across the street from the
proposed used car lot. Harry and Heather Millen expressed concern that the used car lot could
impact the residential use of their property.
3. The applicant proposes no additional site lighting. Lighting from adjoining property is apparently
adequate for security purposes.
4. The area proposed for auto display is already paved. The City’s Ordinance requires the display to
be on some type of surface.
5. The display area cannot take up parking area that is required for the principal use. Based on the
size of the building, 15 spaces are required (one space per 200 square feet of floor area). The site
has 26 spaces if the parking lot is striped as proposed on the site plan. That would leave 11 spaces
for display vehicles. The applicant has indicated that he would need no more than five to ten
spaces.
6. The 1998 C.U.P. for this property addressed several of the negative aspects often associated with
used car lots such as excessive signage and attention-getting devices (banners, balloons, strobe
lights, price signs painted on windshields and so forth). If approved, the C.U.P. for WS Sales
should contain similar restrictions.
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7. As proposed, the applicant’s request is consistent with the requirements set forth in Section
1201.04 Subd.1.(d) (general requirements for conditional uses) of the Zoning Code.
Nielsen stated as with the 1998 case, the WS Sales of Shorewood proposal is different than a typical used
car lot. Assuming WS Sales will be operated similar to how Pelican Car Company operated staff
recommends approval of the C.U.P. subject to the following conditions.
1. The applicant should submit a detailed signage plan showing the size and location of proposed
signs. The applicant has indicated that its business sign would be located on the free standing sign
in front of the building. Attention-getting devices should not be allowed. Price signs on the cars
should be limited to small signs (maximum 3-inch lettering) inside the vehicle.
2. The display of cars should be limited to no more than ten designated spaces in the rear parking
area. The display area should be clearly marked with small signs marking the display spaces.
3. No repair of vehicles shall be allowed on the site.
4. Lighting shall be limited to that which currently exists on the site.
5. The parking lot must be striped according to the plan on the site plan. The portion of the parking
lot shown as “to be removed” was removed for the 1998 application. Due to the narrow aisle
width shown for the angled parking, which is necessary to achieve the required number of
parking and display spaces, a “Do Not Enter” sign should be posted at the Vine Hill Road
Driveway.
6. Cars must be delivered to the site on small trucks or driven in. No on-street loading shall be
allowed.
7. The parking lot striping and signage must be in place before cars are delivered to the property for
sale.
Nielsen noted that Mr. Kasper was present.
Mr. Kasper noted that his partner is Susan Stonefield. He explained their business would be a small
operation where they would purchase cars at auctions wholesale. They plan on advertising the cars on
Craig’s List. The cars would be displayed on the parking spaces in the back. He noted the state requires
parking for five vehicles and that is what their target is.
Vice-Chair Davis asked which five spots the cars would be parked on. Mr. Kasper stated the owner of the
property has not determined that yet. Davis asked how wide the one-way driving aisle would be. Director
Nielsen responded it would be 22 feet wide or less and explained if there were to be 90° parking spaces
the aisle would be narrower.
Commissioner Maddy asked Mr. Kasper if he was willing to accept the conditions stipulated in the staff
report. Mr. Kasper responded he was.
Council Liaison Woodruff asked if there is an office involved. Mr. Kasper stated their corner office would
be on the south side of the building. Their hours of operation would be displayed on the door to the office.
Vice-Chair Davis asked what the proposed hours would be. Mr. Kasper responded 9:00 A.M. – 5:00 P.M.
and noted there would be a sign out in front.
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Commissioner Bean asked if people know what the other businesses operating out of the building require
for parking. Director Nielsen explained Mark Sass, the owner of the building, told him there is much
more parking than the businesses need. Nielsen noted that employees at the restaurant next to the site
often park on Mr. Sass’ lot. There is no authorization for them to do that and that would likely have to end
if this proposal moves forward. Nielsen reiterated that the City Ordinance requires one space per 200
square feet of floor area for the building. He stated there is no intent to stipulate which spaces are for
which tenants. Bean asked if designating the spaces should be considered. Nielsen clarified the spaces for
displaying cars will be designated as such. Bean asked if there is a suggestion for how the display spaces
should be striped. Nielsen stated he thought there would be a small placard signs on each of the display
spaces. He explained that if there were to be reserved parking that would be between the landlord and the
tenants.
In response to a question from Vice-Chair Davis, Mr. Kasper stated there would be a small informational
sign hanging from the rearview mirrors in the cars that are for sale.
Vice-Chair Davis opened the Public Testimony portion of the Public Hearing at 7:24 P.M.
Director Nielsen reiterated that the Planning Commissioners found a copy of a letter from Harry and
Heather Millen at the dais this evening expressing concern that the used car lot could impact the
residential use of their property. They have four young children. He stated they had concerns that drivers
may want to turn around in the middle of the roadway or turn around in their driveway. Speeding and
congestion on Vine Hill Road are also concerns. He did not think the proposed used car sales business
would generate a lot of additional traffic. Commissioner Bean concurred with that last statement.
Commissioner Bean stated he does not think any of the businesses operating out of that building generate
a great deal of traffic.
Vice-Chair Davis commented she thought the restaurant business generates more traffic.
Connor Bean, 5285 St. Albans Bay Road, stated teenagers often hang out on the property located at
19245 State Highway 7 when they have nothing better to do. He asked if the new business owners plan on
installing security cameras and if so what will the other business owners think about that. He also asked
what the residents living along Vine Hill Road will feel about the increased need for security for the cars
for sale.
Mr. Kasper stated he does not intend to mount security cameras and noted that he thought just the
opposite of what Mr. Bean has observed on the site will take place. He stated with cars parked there after
hours he thought there would be less opportunity for mischief to take place.
Vice-Chair Davis asked if there is lighting back there. Commissioner Bean stated there is lighting on the
public storage building but not specifically on the lot. The storage lighting is on all night long. Davis
asked if there is any reason to believe there would be vandalism. Director Nielsen stated he thought there
is enough activity at the restaurant to keep vandalism down and noted there have been no reports of
vandalism at a car lot nearby.
Vice-Chair Davis closed the Public Testimony portion of the Public Hearing at 7:29 P.M.
Commissioner Maddy stated he thought a car lot is a perfectly acceptable use in the General Commercial
district. He thought the residents across the street are screened enough and that the additional traffic
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would not negatively affect them as much as they think it would. From his perspective selling cars
basically on the internet is a much better way of doing business than selling from large surface lots. He
appreciates the targeted use of space. Chair Geng concurred with Commissioner Maddy and noted he
appreciates the concern the neighbors have. Vice-Chair Davis also concurred.
Maddy moved, Bean seconded, recommending granting the conditional use permit for outdoor
sales and display for automobiles to William Kasper, with WS Sales of Shorewood, 19245 State
highway 7, subject to the seven conditions listed in the November 11, 2015, staff report. Motion
passed 4/0.
Director Nielsen stated Council will consider this matter during its November 23, 2015, meeting.
Vice-Chair Davis closed the Public Hearing at 7:32 P.M.
2. PUBLIC HEARING – ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT REGARDING DENSITY AND
PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR SENIOR HOUSING
Applicant: Oppidan Investment Company
Location: 23075 State Highway 7, 6020 & 6050 Chaska Road
Vice-Chair Davis opened the Public Hearing at 7:32 P.M., noting the process will be the same as for the
previous item. She stated during this Public Hearing the Planning Commission is going to consider
Zoning Code text amendments regarding density and parking requirements for elderly housing. The
applicant is Oppidan Investment Company and the properties are located at 23075 State Highway 7, 6020
Chaska Road and 6050 Chaska Road.
Director Nielsen explained Oppidan Investment Company, located in the City of Excelsior, has arranged
to purchase the properties at 23075 State Highway 7 and at 6020 and 6050 Chaska Road and proposes to
develop them as a senior housing project. As a point of reference, there is an existing building on the
property which Control House Realty operates out of. The property Control House is located on is zoned
R-C, Residential Commercial. Ultimately, Oppidan would propose that zoning with a planned unit
development (PUD) for all three properties. He clarified this Public Hearing is not about the proposed
project.
The Hearing is about density and parking spaces. Oppidan asks that the density for elderly housing in the
R-C District be increased from 10 units per acre to 12 units per acre; that the assisted living units be
counted as half units for the purpose of calculating density; and, that the parking requirement for elderly
housing be reduced from two spaces per unit to 1.5 spaces per unit. If the parking space reduction was
approved, the applicant would allow for 1.5 spaces per unit and it would have to show where an
additional one-half space per unit could be located on the site should parking become a problem in the
future.
Those requested text amendments were taken from a proposed code amendment that was studied by the
Planning Commission over the past couple of years (a copy of memorandum from Director Nielsen dated
May 3, 2014, was included in the packet for additional background). The Commission voted unanimously
to recommend adoption of the amendment. The City Council ultimately tabled the amendment. He
thought one or two members of Council wanted to wait to find out what the changes to the Code would be
for an actual project. Oppidan has submitted some illustrations showing what the development would
look like if the changes to the Code were approved. He displayed those illustrations and highlighted
various elements.
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He noted there is a discrepancy between two sections of the City Code which address building height. He
explained Section 1201.19 Subd. 6. of the Zoning Code limits building height in the R-C zoning district
to two and a half stories or 35 feet, whichever is least. Section 1201.03 Subd. 20 states that elderly
housing shall not exceed one and a half stories, except in the R-3A, R-3B, and R-C zoning districts where
three-story buildings are allowed. He suggested the discrepancy be addressed in the text amendment. He
noted staff thought the one and a half story requirement is a typographical error. Regarding the three story
requirement in 1201.03 Subd. 20, he stated the Planning Commission and Council must decide whether
three stories should be the requirement or if it should be two and a half stories. The applicant has asked
that three stories be the standard.
He explained one issue that has been raised with the applicant is the fact that the City has taken a position
that elderly housing should be a part of the Smithtown Crossing Redevelopment Area (at the intersection
of Smithtown Road and Country Road 19). The applicant’s market study suggests that the market may not
support more than the amount of elderly housing Oppidan is proposing. In that respect, the City will have
to determine whether it wants to encourage elderly housing in an area other than Smithtown Crossing.
Nielsen noted that Patrick Barrett, representing Oppidan, was present.
Mr. Barrett noted his role within Oppidan is to manage its Construction Management Department. He
works with the development team and city staffs. He offered to answer any questions the Planning
Commission may have regarding the request.
Vice-Chair Davis asked what the total number of parking stalls would have to be. Commissioner Maddy
clarified that is not what the Planning Commission is considering at this time. Director Nielsen stated the
illustrations show 64 above ground stalls and 44 underground stalls. Mr. Barrett clarified the underground
stalls would be under the independent / assisted living area and under the area called Town Center.
Council Liaison Woodruff noted the concept illustration shows 33 future staff parking stalls.
Council Liaison Woodruff stated it was his recollection that about two years ago one of the occupants of
an existing building had some serious issues with stormwater drainage. The City did some work over
there to mitigate the problem. He asked if Oppidan has assessed the drainage in that area and the
feasibility of constructing underground parking. Mr. Barrett stated Oppidan has not done any geotechnical
study work yet and therefore he cannot give a quote on water table. Woodruff stated there had been
flooding in their office. Mr. Barrett stated there are ways to deal with that. There are a couple of things
Oppidan would have to comply with if there is a flood plain issue or a water table issue. If there were
those issues the underground parking would have to be waterproofed. There would be concrete walls with
waterproofing on the outside to prevent water issues. Woodruff expressed concern about the possibility
that Oppidan would find out constructing underground parking would not be feasible and then there
would be a parking problem. Director Nielsen clarified that would be part of the analysis of the plans
Oppidan would have to submit. Nielsen noted the drainage issues that were associated with that building
were surface drainage. He stated there would have to be some type of ponding for the site.
Commissioner Bean stated if Council approved the requested changes to the Code he asked Mr. Barrett if
Oppidan would consider building its project in the Smithtown Crossing Redevelopment Study Area
instead. Mr. Barrett stated Oppidan attempted to do that with no success. Bean asked what prevented that
from happening. Mr. Barrett explained Oppidan was not able to obtain a land acquisition agreement. Bean
stated he recollects hearing that the American Legion had been open to redevelopment there. Director
Nielsen stated it is but it is slow to move with regard to getting its membership to agree to plans and so
forth. Nielsen then stated he is not sure a development would have to involve the Legion’s site; it might
involve its vacant lot. The elderly housing component of the plan was the western portion of that. He
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noted that land ownership is an issue. He stated the City has agreed to consider tax increment financing
(TIF) to help with acquiring the needed parcels.
Vice-Chair Davis stated she thought there were height issues for the Study Area. Director Nielsen stated
that allows higher buildings than the subject site does.
Vice-Chair Davis opened the Public Testimony portion of the Public Hearing at 7:45 P.M.
Sue Potter, 6025 Chaska Road, noted her property is located across the street from the proposed project
and it is for sale now. Therefore, it would not affect her very much. She expressed concern about the
traffic the proposed project would generate. The illustrations show an entrance and exit onto Chaska Road
across from her property and her neighbor’s property. She stated that her neighbors have young children
and it’s possible that the buyers of her property would also have young children. There are no shoulders
or sidewalk along Chaska Road. Therefore, pedestrians and bicyclists have to be on the roadway. She
expressed concern for their safety. She noted that she would prefer to have the exit and entrance on the
Highway 7 side of the proposed project. She anticipates a lot of additional traffic because of the number
of units proposed and people coming to visit the residents there.
Commissioner Bean clarified that the illustrations are hypothetical at this time and the number of units
proposed in the illustrations is 90 – 100 units.
Debbie Trent, 6045 Chaska Road, noted she and her husband have two young boys; they are seven and
nine years old. She stated they already have concerns about the boys’ safety on Chaska Road. Having 100
more drivers travel past the bottom of their driveway concerns them. She asked if it would be possible to
slow drivers down by putting speed bumps on the roadway. She noted their children are not allowed to be
on the roadway. She also expressed concern about flooding; the amount of stormwater that flows from
their property down their driveway is substantial and it pools at the end of their driveway. She expressed
concern about snow removal because that is already an issue. She stated she also would prefer having the
entrance and exit from the proposed project be on to and off of Highway 7. Director Nielsen noted that
would not be possible because the Minnesota Department of Transportation (MnDOT) does not allow
direct property access on to the highway.
Commissioner Bean stated that after having done traffic studies on the Highway 7 MnDOT actually
eliminated access points. He questioned if the proposed project could have a service road to the site on the
Highway 7 side of the site from the northeast corner.
Ms. Trent brought up the need for green space on the site for the older population.
Commissioner Bean reiterated that the illustrations are hypothetical. Approval of various levels of plans
would require public hearings to be held if it were done as a PUD. He stated maybe sidewalk could be
constructed along the project site.
Ms. Trent stated there is already a sidewalk nearby in Chaska and maybe a sidewalk could be constructed
and connect to the sidewalk in Chanhassen for safety reasons.
Vice-Chair Davis stated that this evening’s discussion is about text amendments to the Code regarding
density and parking spaces. She then stated she thought the suggestions offered up were good.
Vice-Chair Davis closed the Public Testimony portion of the Public Hearing at 7:55 P.M.
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Commissioner Bean noted that he has no concern about the proposed changes to the Code; he thought
they were good recommendations. With regard to the hypothetical proposal, he then stated he thought the
Planning Commission would be remiss by not saying there may be a better site for the elderly housing if
there were a way to move the redevelopment of the Smithtown Crossing Redevelopment Study Area
forward. He expressed concern that there is already an elderly housing development at the south end of
Chaska [Road] and Highway 41 and it is being doubled in size. He asked if it would be somewhat self-
defeating to have two elderly housing complexes in such close proximity. He stated he thought the
hypothetical structure would be invasive to the residents along Chaska Road. He strongly endorsed the
text amendments requested.
Chair Geng noted that he agreed with Commissioner Bean in support of the text amendments. He stated
that he thought the City should increase the number of units per acre to 12 for elderly housing. He
reiterated that if the amendments are approved and Oppidan chooses to move forward with a development
proposal there would be a series of public hearings and things such as traffic, stormwater management
and screening would specifically be considered. He stated many people have a desire to attract some type
of elderly housing development to the City.
Vice-Chair Davis concurred and summarized what Chair Geng stated. She noted that she supports the
proposed text amendments and thought they would bring the City in line with what other communities
allow.
Council Liaison Woodruff asked if the amendments would apply to the Smithtown Crossing
Redevelopment Study Area. Director Nielsen responded no and noted the Study Area in part is zoned C-1
and the amendments would only apply to the R-C district.
Commissioner Maddy stated he is leaning toward changing Section 1201.19 Subd. 6. to read “Height: no
structure shall exceed three stories, or 35 feet, whichever is least.” to match Section 1201.03 Subd.
20.(b)(11) which states “… except in the R-3A, R-3B and R-C zoning districts in which building heights
may be three stories.” He thought any residential builder could build three stories in under 35 feet and
therefore the 35-foot restriction does not seem unreasonable.
Director Nielsen noted there is some rationale for three stories. He explained that there needs to be
elevators for anything over two stories high and typically a developer has to get to three stories to have an
elevator make sense. He stated the “…limited to one and one-half stories...” in Section 1201.03 Subd.
20.(b)(11) is a typo and it should read “…limited to two and one-half stories…”. The current code for the
R-C Zoning District allows two and one-half stories.
Bean moved, Davis seconded, recommended approval of the text amendment to Zoning Code
Section 1201.03 Subd. 20(b)(8)(c) to change “….;” to “
R-C: Ten units per acre…R-C: Twelve units
;”; to add to Section 1201.03 Subd. 20(b)(8) item (d) “
per acreFor purposes of calculating density,
.”; and, in Section 1201.03 Subd. 20(b)(8)
assisted living units shall be counted as one-half unit
stipulate that parking for elderly housing would be “…
one and one-half parking spaces per unit,
.”. Motion passed 4/0.
plus proof of parking demonstrating the ability to provide two spaces per unit
Maddy moved, Davis seconded, recommending approval of a text amendment to the Zoning Code
Section 1201.19 Subd. 6. to change “…
Height; no structure shall exceed two and one-half stories, or
.” to “…
35 feet, whichever is leastHeight; no structure shall exceed three stories, or 35 feet, whichever
.” Motion passed 4/0.
is least
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Vice-Chair Davis asked if Council will consider this matter during its November 23, 2015, meeting.
Director Nielsen stated he thought Council would be informed of this but there would not be a draft
Ordinance amendment for consideration that evening. Staff would likely ask Council to direct staff to
prepare the Ordinance.
Vice-Chair Davis closed the Public Hearing at 8:07 P.M.
3. MINOR SUBDIVISION
Applicant: Charles Bennett
Location: 24835 Yellowstone Trail
Director Nielsen explained Charles Bennett owns the property located at 24835 Yellowstone Trail. The
property was originally platted as Lot 3 and Lot 4, Block 1, Deerfield Addition. Many years ago the
properties were legally combined. A previous owner had applied for a minor subdivision but never
followed through on it so the approval expired. Mr. Bennett has requested approval of a minor
subdivision, splitting the property into two lots. The property is zoned R-1C, Single-Family Residential
and contains 54,779 square feet of area. Mr. Bennett’s home is situated on the westerly half of the
property. The proposed lots would be 21,464 square feet and 38,315 square feet (the lot with the home on
it) in area.
With regard to the analysis of the case, Nielsen explained the resubdivision of the lots into two building
sites simply separates them back to their original configuration. Both of the proposed lots would comply
with the requirements of the R-1C Zoning District.
Nielsen noted that based on the analysis of the case staff recommends approval of the minor division
subject to the following conditions.
1. The applicant must provide deeds for drainage and utility easements, 10 feet around each lot.
2. The applicant must provide an up-to-date (within 30 days) title opinion for review by the City
Attorney.
3. Prior to release of the resolution approving the request, the applicant must pay one park
dedication fee ($6500) and one local sanitary sewer access charge ($1200). He gets credit for the
lot with the house on it.
4. Since the division itself does not result in the removal of any trees from the property, tree
preservation and reforestation can be addressed at the time building permits are applied for.
Council Liaison Woodruff stated because the property was originally platted as two lots then legally
combined and because a subdivision was approved once but not recorded he asked if there was any
payment of park dedication fees and sanitary sewer charges for the second lot. Director Nielsen stated
there is no record of that. He explained at one time the sewer charge access charge was based on a
formula which factored in area and so forth and when lots were subdivided they has to pay an area charge.
The City dropped that formula approach and it now charges a fixed amount per lot.
Commissioner Maddy stated when someone combines two lots he asked if the City gives them a park
dedication fee and sanitary sewer charge back. Director Nielsen responded no.
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Michael Hayes, a contractor for Mr. Bennet, noted that Mr. Bennet’s wife had their first baby over the
weekend and Mr. Bennet was home trying to get some sleep.
Commissioner Bean asked if Mr. Bennett intends to build another house on the new lot. Mr. Hayes stated
he thought that was the intent.
Maddy moved, Bean seconded, recommending approval of a minor subdivision for Charles Bennett
for his property located at 24835 Yellowstone Trail subject to the four conditions listed in the
November 9, 2015, staff report. Motion passed 4/0.
4. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR
There were no matters from the floor presented this evening.
5. OLD BUSINESS / NEW BUSINESS
6. DRAFT NEXT MEETING AGENDA
Director Nielsen stated there is the consideration of the Development Stage approval for the former
Minnetonka Country Club (MCC) property slated for the December 1, 2015, Planning Commission
meeting. He explained the plans staff has seen to date are consistent with the Concept Stage plans. The
Development Stage plans are the nuts and bolts for the project. He thought it would take more than one
meeting to discuss the Development Stage plans. There will likely be three different staff reports – the
planning staff report, the engineering staff report, and a report from Michelle Barnes with Northwest
Associated Consultants who is providing contract services related to the environment, planting of natural
areas for the MCC site, trail locations, landscaping, wetland restoration and so forth.
Commissioner Maddy asked when the 60-day rule clock starts. Director Nielsen stated once he has
confirmed that the applicant has submitted all of the necessary paperwork.
Director Nielsen explained there is a meeting with the Minnehaha Creek Watershed District (MCWD) on
November 19 to go over some of the plans. He thought that the MCWD may impose some things that
have not been picked up by the developer yet.
Vice-Chair Davis asked if the second meeting would be in December. Director Nielsen responded not
necessarily.
Director Nielsen noted the public hearing on December 1 will be for the preliminary plat and that is part
of the Development Stage approval.
Commissioner Bean stated the Planning Commission could conceivably have a meeting on December 15
or December 22. Director Nielsen stated if there are things the developer has to do before a second
meeting it may not be possible to get them to the City within four or five days of December 1. If the items
were minor it may not be difficult for the developer to get them done in a short time period. Council
Liaison Woodruff noted Council’s only regular meeting in December is on December 14. It would have
to go before Council during its first meeting in January. Woodruff then stated the week of December 22 is
a bad week to have meetings. He did not think there was a need to rush a second meeting in December for
the Commission.
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Vice-Chair Davis asked if Ms. Barnes’ comments go back to the developer before the Commission sees
them. Director Nielsen responded yes.
Director Nielsen stated there is a lot line rearrangement slated on the December 1 meeting agenda as well.
7. REPORTS
• Liaison to Council
Council Liaison Woodruff reported on the items considered and actions taken during Council’s October
26, 2015, and November 9, 2015, meetings (as detailed in the minutes of those meetings).
Council Liaison Woodruff stated there was a meeting with representatives from the Three Rivers Park
District (TRPD) earlier in the day to discuss the possibility of an overpass for the Lake Minnetonka LRT
Regional Trail at County Road 19. It is his understanding that possibility is not off of the table. People
continue to look for ways to fund that.
Director Nielsen explained the TRPD’s bid to construct an overpass came in substantially over budget.
The TRPD would not get enough federal grant money to cover a significant portion of that cost so it
relinquished the grant. The TRPD decided to hold a couple of public meetings about ways to improve that
crossing with at-grade crossing improvements. Council did not want to move forward with the option
recommended by TRPD. TRPD did not want to move forward with anything Shorewood would not
endorse. TRPD representatives met with staff and others a couple of times since then. The idea of
Hennepin County partnering with the City and the school district on tax abatement for the Mattamy MCC
redevelopment project was suggested to TRPD. Tax abatement is about foregoing taxes that would be
generated from the redevelopment for a number of years and dedicating the tax value for improvement
projects in that general area. The school district would be asked to put some of its abatement toward the
construction of trails that would give children a safe walkway to school. The County’s share could be
used to help fund the overpass. TRPD representatives thought the County Board may be hesitant to do
that because it does not want to set a precedent with regard to abating taxes. TRPD representatives
indicated they were willing to apply for another larger federal grant. He thought TRPD representatives
may go before Council in the near future and talk about what it was considering and about making some
short-term changes to the at-grade crossing.
Council Liaison Woodruff stated tax abatement would allow an entity to bond for the improvements and
then collect the value of the taxes over a period of time to pay off the bonds.
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Vice-Chair Davis asked how the Deer Management Program went this year. Director Nielsen stated he
thought the number of deer harvested in 2015 was about the same as in 2014; about 18. There were no
incidents this year. He thought the Program has helped lower the number of deer roaming the City. He
then sated he hopes the snow cover will be enough in February 2016 to allow for a good aerial survey to
be done. Davis stated that morning she saw a buck and three does grazing away over her property. She
thought the Program has helped.
Commissioner Maddy asked if Mattamy has started to do any of the site remediation work for the
Mattamy project site. Director Nielsen stated it has had the greens scraped. He explained the soil
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remediation plan was subject to review and comment by the Minnesota Department of Agriculture and
the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency. One of the agencies has requested additional testing. Mattamy
focused on the greens. One agency asked Mattamy to have the tee boxes tested and to remove any
contaminated soils. Mercury is the main element the agencies are concerned about. It does not go into the
ground and spread.
Commissioner Bean stated that based on observation he thought the preliminary cuts to the street have
been done. Director Nielsen stated that was done to get the equipment in. Nielsen stated the club house
demolition was started on November 16. Council Liaison Woodruff noted the small structure near the old
tennis courts was demolished a number of days ago.
In response to a question from Commissioner Bean, Council Liaison Woodruff stated there is no reason a
representative from the Planning Commission needs to attend the December 7 Truth-in-Taxation hearing.
Woodruff noted there is a work session prior to that to interview a downsized group who would provide
contract arborist / forester services to the City.
Vice-Chair Davis asked who the firms or individuals are. The three applicants Council will interview are
Craig Sinclair, S&S Tree and Horticultural Services, Inc., and Burks Tree and Landscape Care. Davis
asked what the goal is for the consultant. Woodruff stated completing the tree inventory / tree
management plan are priorities for Council. Council is not sure if the firm / individual should provide tree
assessment services to residents. Director Nielsen stated if the City did offer that service there may be a
fee for it. Davis asked if buckthorn removal in the parks has been discussed. Woodruff responded no.
Davis commented if people want to see what a property looks like after buckthorn removal she
encouraged them to drive by her property. Her husband has been doing it for 10 years. She thought
removal has to be part of forest health. Director Nielsen stated buckthorn is an issue that has to be dealt
with on the former MCC property. He noted that a lot of the vegetation around the perimeter of that
property is buckthorn. Davis thought the buckthorn should be removed. Woodruff stated from his
perspective doing the work would not be part of the consultant’s job. Their job would be to organize,
plan, supervise and so forth. Removal of buckthorn would be a separate contract.
8. ADJOURNMENT
Maddy moved, Bean seconded, adjourning the Planning Commission Meeting of November 17,
2015, at 8:46 P.M. Motion passed 4/0.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Christine Freeman, Recorder