PC-03-15-16
CITY OF SHOREWOOD COUNCIL CHAMBERS
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING 5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD
TUESDAY, MARCH 15, 2016 7:00 P.M.
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
Vice-Chair Davis called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M.
ROLL CALL
Present: Vice-Chair Davis; Commissioners Bean, Johnson, Maddy and Riedel; Planning Director
Nielsen; and, Council Liaison Sundberg
Absent: None
Vice-Chair Davis introduced the newest member of the Planning Commission, Marc Riedel.
Commissioner Riedel noted this is his first experience being involved with local government. He stated
he lives along Ridge Road. He has lived there for three years. He was originally from Canada and then
lived in California for 10 years. He has lived in Minnesota for 10 years. He is a professor of computer
engineering at the University of Minnesota.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Director Nielsen stated that Items 3 and 4 on the agenda will not be discussed this evening. He asked the
Planning Commission to open the Public Hearing for Item 3 and then continue it to the Commission’s
April 19, 2016, meeting.
Maddy moved, Bean seconded, approving the agenda for March 15, 2016, as amended. Motion
passed 5/0.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
February 16, 2016
Bean moved, Maddy seconded, approving the Planning Commission Meeting Minutes of February
16, 2016, as amended in Item 1, Page 2, Paragraph 6, Sentence 2, change “… material to the side
…” to “… material to the site …”. Motion passed 5/0.
1. PUBLIC HEARING – ZONING CODE TEXT AMENDMENT, REZONING TO
PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT (PUD), AND CONCEPT AND DEVELOPMENT
STAGE PLAN OF A PUD FOR SENIOR HOUSING FACILITY
Applicant: Oppidan Investment Company
Location: 23075 State Highway 7, 6020 & 6050 Chaska Road
Vice-Chair Davis opened the Public Hearing at 7:03 noting the procedures used in a Public Hearing. She
explained the Planning Commission is comprised of residents of the City of Shorewood who are serving
as volunteers on the Commission. The Commissioners are appointed by the City Council. The
Commission’s role is to help the City Council in determining zoning and planning issues. One of the
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Commission’s responsibilities is to hold public hearings and to help develop the factual record for an
application and to make a non-binding recommendation to the City Council. The recommendation is
advisory only. She stated this evening the Planning Commission is going to consider a Zoning Code text
amendment, rezoning to a planned unit development (PUD), and Concept Stage and Development stage
plan of a PUD for senior housing.
Director Nielsen explained Oppidan Investment Company, located in the City of Excelsior, has arranged
to purchase the properties located at 6020 and 6050 Chaska Road and 23075 State Highway 7. Oppidan
proposes to develop them as a senior housing project consisting of independent living (28 units), assisted
living (52 units) and memory care living (25 units).
The three parcels of land contain approximately 3.77 acres. The Highway 7 parcel is occupied by the
Control House office building and is zoned R-C, Residential Commercial. The two southerly parcels on
Chaska Road are occupied by single-family homes, zoned R-2A, Single and Two-Family Residential.
Land use and zoning surrounding the site are as follows:
North/Northwest: State Highway 7
South/Southwest: Single-family and two-family residential; zoned R-2A
East: Single-family residential; zoned R-1C; Single-Family Residential
The property varies considerably with respect to topography, dropping approximately 25 feet from the
southeast corner of the site to the northerly end near the ditch for Highway 7. The site has been
significantly altered over the years and is characterized by rather low quality vegetation (as shown on the
Tree Preservation Plan graphic). Many of the trees on the property are cottonwood or boxelder; they are
not considered to be significant trees as defined in Shorewood’s Tree Preservation and Reforestation
Policy. The maximum exposure is 34 trees.
To accomplish its project, Oppidan has requested a rezoning of the three parcels to PUD. It has submitted
Concept and Development Stage Plans for a PUD. It had previously requested additional zoning text
amendments related to allowable density and parking requirements for senior housing.
With regard to issues and analysis, Nielsen reviewed the following.
1. Land Use/Density – Oppidan’s application includes rezoning from R-2A and R-C to PUD
(essentially using R-C standards). Senior housing is an allowable use (by conditional use permit –
C.U.P.) in the R-C District; a PUD process is required. In December 2015 the applicant applied
for and received a zoning text amendment changing the density allowance in the R-C District
from 10 to 12 units per 40,000 square feet. It is now asking for the density to be increased to 15
units per 40,000 square feet (it would require another zoning text amendment). The applicant has
indicated that the reason for the increase in density and the number of units is to overcome the
cost of extensive soil correction that is necessary to redevelop the site as well as extraordinary
costs in extending water to the south side of Highway 7. The applicant will be seeking approval
for tax increment financing (TIF) to further offset development costs.
The City has considered allowing density up to 15 units per 40,000 square feet in the Smithtown
Crossing Redevelopment Area. In addition to the increased number, the Code was revised to only
count assisted living units as half units. It should also be noted that the application calculates the
density based on units per acre; Shorewood’s Code is based on units per 40,000 square feet. The
result is that the project comes in at 13.1 units per 40,000 square feet. If the project was reduced
by five units, the text amendment would not be necessary. If adopted, the amendment would
apply to other R-C zoned properties.
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2. Site Plan – Although the site plan is extremely tight, the plan complies with setback requirements
for the building and parking, with one minor exception. The patio area on the northwesterly side
of the building extends into the rear yard setback abutting Highway 7. As part of a PUD, that
encroachment is considered acceptable.
The maximum amount of allowable impervious surface in the R-C district is 66 percent of the
total site area. With special drainage improvements that treat runoff, that amount can go to 75
percent with a C.U.P. The site plan indicates a total of 52 percent impervious surface. The
applicant should be required to provide a detailed breakdown of hardcover, including the area
designated as proof of parking.
3. Parking/Circulation –The required number of parking spaces, based on the recently amended
ordinance, is 120 (including proof of parking – it would have to show where an additional one-
half space per unit could be located on the site should parking become a problem in the future).
The site plan shows 122 spaces.
The City Engineer’s report indicates the Excelsior Fire Department (EFD) would require a paved
access around the building which would have to be maintained year round. Staff is waiting for
written documentation from the EFD specifying what it requires.
4. Landscaping – The original landscape plan for the project was considered extremely sparse,
particularly for the size of the building especially across the front of the property. The applicant
has indicated that significant landscaping in front of the building is not possible due to the
location of power lines along Chaska Road. Whatever trees are planted have to respect the power
lines in order to avoid a situation where the power company trims a lot of the growth. It is further
compounded by the ditch proposed on the northwesterly side of Chaska Road. That limits the
ability to put in a landscape berm. Staff has asked the applicant to do more with the landscaping.
He highlighted the applicant’s original landscape plan. It shows deciduous trees on the front of
the property. It would soften the building for people on the east side of Chaska Road.
Unfortunately, it does not do much to screen parking or soften the lower level of site.
The applicant has submitted a revised landscape plan which is a drastic improvement when
compared to the original plan. The applicant now proposes a coniferous hedge (a lot of it would
be juniper) that would grow to grow to about 4 – 5 in width and height. That would help screen
the row of parking that would face Chaska Road. A landscape berm of deciduous and coniferous
trees is also being proposed that would serve to some extent as a sound barrier from Highway 7.
The two large, sparse maple trees at the north end of the site would be replaced by the berm. A
ponding area on the very north end is proposed. Some underground drainage facilities are
proposed as well.
The trees being proposed for along Chaska Road are swamp white oak. They can grow to have a
40 – 50 foot high canopy on them. They could ultimately cause issues with the power lines. Staff
recommends the applicant consider another type of tree.
The plan shows 2.5-inch caliper replacement trees. The Tree Preservation and Reforestation
Policy requires 3-inch caliper replacement trees.
Staff intends to continue to work with the applicant’s landscape architect to refine the new plan as
part of the final plans for the project.
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5. Grading, Drainage, Erosion Control and Utilities – These items are addressed in the City
Engineer’s report dated March 7, 2016. The most significant issue with respect to utilities is the
extraordinary expense that would be incurred to get city water to the subject property. An
advantage of doing that is it would provide city water to residents on the south side of Highway 7.
The original plan was to get water from the Excelsior water system immediately north of the
property. Excelsior originally indicated it would do that. It has reversed its position due to system
constraints.
Some property owners have expressed concern that they would be assessed for the watermain
extension. Shorewood’s policy is not to assess for water except for the situation where a super
majority of property owners in the area petition for the extension.
Engineer Hornby highlighted some aspects of his Engineering report.
The plan he reviewed had a driveway on the south side of the site that wrapped around the back
side of the site. That is gone in the revised plan.
The Shorewood watermain would be extended from Minnetonka Drive at Yellowstone Trail,
parallel the border with Excelsior, cross Highway 7 in Shorewood and into the site along the
north side likely between the north boundary and the stormwater pond, and then down to the
south property line. Currently the intent is to put the watermain extension in the ditch of the west
side of Chaska Road. There are a lot of utilities there so that has to be evaluated.
There may be a need to increase the existing size of the sanitary sewer line. After the plan came
in staff found Metropolitan Council Environmental Services’ (MCES) sanitary sewer line is in
Chaska Road and follows along the south side of Highway 7. The applicant has been speaking
with MCES representatives about that. Some sewer work may have to be done to the sewer line
along Highway 7 to the site; a larger line may have to be put in. MCES has proposed a project to
eliminate a lift station at Galpin Lake Road and Highway 7. MCES would come toward the
project site with its gravity line and then cross over in Excelsior and go north. That project would
greatly reduce the amount of sewer that would be necessary if MCES deems that sewer line
would need to be increased in diameter. There is a Shorewood sewer line on the very south end of
the site that empties into the MCES system on the southwest corner of the site.
Director Nielsen resumed his comments.
6. Building Plans – Floor plans and elevations for the proposed building are shown on graphics
included in the meeting packet. He displayed graphics showing how the building would look
from various elevations. The proposed building complies with the height limitations for the R-C
District – three stories/35 feet. The small exception to that is the northerly elevation on the end of
the project where the underground parking entrance is. That is a little higher than 35 feet high.
That is quite acceptable under a PUD. That area faces north and to Highway 7 and not toward
residential properties.
Nielsen noted the staff report states that staff was not ready to recommend approval of the Concept Stage
and Development Stage plans. He stated staff no longer takes that position in part because of the
improved landscape plan the applicant submitted. Staff recommends it continue to work with the
applicant’s landscape architect on that as things move into the Final Plan Stage.
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He explained that this evening the applicant is asking for the Planning Commission to recommend
approval of the Concept Stage plan and the Development Stage plan for the PUD. He noted the Final Plan
Stage plans do not come back to the Commission unless the Commission asks for that to happen. There
will ultimately be a Development Agreement which specifies conditions of approval for the various plans.
There will presumably be a TIF Agreement provided the City decides to do that. Those Agreements
would be part of the Final Plan Stage plans. The applicant’s goal is to try to break ground by June but that
may be optimistic because of the challenges with extending city water.
Nielsen noted that staff is now recommending approval of the Concept Stage and Development Stage
plans subject to the items raised in the WSB & Associate’s engineering report dated March 7, 2016, being
resolved as part of the final plan and staff continuing to work with the applicant’s landscape architect to
refine the landscape plan.
Shannon Rusk, with Oppidan, stated Oppidan is the developer and will be the owner of the proposed
facility. It would be operated by Ebenezer. Ebenezer is owned by Fairview. Its project as proposed would
have 105 units with 25 of them being for memory care.
Ms. Rusk explained most of Oppidan’s projects are designed to have the memory care area be in a
separate area. The memory care area is secured off and there would be an outdoor area that is also secured
off. For this facility the memory care area is on the first floor. Also on the first floor are all of the
amenities (i.e. the community room, the fitness area, spa, beauty salon, dining area and so forth). There
would be some independent living and assisted living units on the north side of the first floor. There
would be heated, underground parking and all deliveries would be made down there. The second and third
floors would primarily be independent living and assisted living units.
Oppidan has built an Ebenezer facility in the City of Woodbury and is currently in the process of building
a facility (113 units) in the City of White Bear Lake. The project being proposed would be the third
project for the two companies. Stone is incorporated on the siding. It has articulation of elevations to
make it interesting from a materials and color perspective. Additional landscape would be added at the
request of staff; it would block the view of the parking lot from residents living across the street from the
facility and hopefully it would mitigate sound.
Oppidan does a couple of market studies before it decides to propose a project. There is demand in the
area for a facility that includes independent living, assisted living and memory care living.
Oppidan selected Ebenezer as its partner and operator because it has 75 properties throughout Minnesota
with a total of more than 5,600 units. Oppidan has confidence that Ebenezer knows what it is doing and
has resources to tap into.
Ms. Rusk offered to entertain questions.
Commissioner Bean asked an Ebenezer representative to describe “a day in the life of” including what the
anticipated number of delivery trucks would be and other traffic to and from the facility.
Jill Kaiser, with Ebenezer, explained the larger deliveries a facility gets are food service. The proposed
facility would likely receive food service deliveries three times a week. It makes all of its own food in its
commercial kitchens. There would be some smaller office deliveries. Its leadership staff would be about
five people. There would be approximately 35 full-time-equivalents (FTEs) for the entire operation which
works seven days a week and 24 hours a day. A shift change does not involve very many people at the
same time. Ebenezer hears concerns expressed about traffic when a project is being considered and
developed but not after the facility becomes operational. Residents would move into the apartments and
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there would be turnover. Once a facility the approximate size of what is proposed is stabilized there
would be about 4 - 6 resident moves in a month. Staff tries to ensure that is done as quietly as possible.
Another concern she hears expressed by residents in a community is about emergency vehicles coming to
the neighborhood. Ebenezer has worked with the Excelsior Fire District (EFD) at its facility in the City of
Deephaven. For the Deephaven facility there were approximately 20 responses to emergencies with a
couple being false alarms last year. The calls were about a resident needing help.
Commissioner Johnson asked if the emergency responder vehicle would be driven into the underground
parking garage. Ms. Kaiser stated the response vehicle would likely be driven to the front door; that
would be the fastest route possible.
Commissioner Bean asked Ms. Rusk to comment on the regional capacity for senior housing with
regional being from the Cities of Chanhassen to Deephaven and from the western edge of the City of
Shorewood to Highway 494. How much capacity does that regional area need? Ms. Rusk stated
Oppidan’s market study consultant took a snapshot of how many people in the area were 55 – 69 years
old in 2015 and projected out to 2020 how many people up to age 75 there would be. Their incomes are
taken into account. It interpolates how much demand there would be for independent, assisted and
memory care living. The demand for Shorewood somewhat near the project area (which is a little
different than further north in Shorewood) was 150 – 160 units. The demographics used are for residents
living in the area. Ebenezer takes Oppidan’s study results and does its own study internally.
Bean stated he heard that the Deephaven Woods facility would only be 10 percent competitive to the
proposed project. He thought it would be 100 percent competitive. He would consider each facility
equally if he wanted to move to such a facility. Ms. Rusk stated the 10 percent might be because
Oppidan’s proposal is for the south side of Highway 7; a different market.
Bean asked Ms. Rusk what, if anything, has changed because of the proposed redevelopment of the
Hilltop property [the potential site of The Waters in Excelsior senior housing project]. Ms. Rusk stated
Oppidan considered that site first, but there are challenges because the redevelopment site would cross
city boundaries (Shorewood and Excelsior). Oppidan representatives met with Excelsior representatives
first and was basically told Excelsior did not think it could happen.
Director Nielsen explained the Excelsior City Manager and City Attorney and the Shorewood City
Administrator and City Attorney are meeting on March 16 to discuss the proposed The Waters in
Excelsior project. Part of the site of the proposed project site is located in Shorewood – the Hilltop
property and the garages for the apartments. The rest of the site to the north of that is in Excelsior. The
developer spoke to the City several months ago about the project. There are three options Shorewood
would consider. Excelsior could annex the Shorewood portion of the land and pay Shorewood the
resulting taxes from the development forever. Shorewood could annex the Excelsior portion and pay
Excelsior the taxes forever. The Cities could do a joint project over city boundaries. Excelsior wanted a
cap on either the dollar amount of the taxes or the time that it would occur. That was not acceptable to
Shorewood. Excelsior has since become more receptive to annexing the Shorewood portion of the land
and paying Shorewood for its proportional share of taxes earned from the project over time. The project
would be a TIF project. Council and staff would like to know if there is a market for both senior housing
developments. In reality, it is up to the owners or operators of the facilities to get their units occupied. It
costs more monthly to stay at BeeHive Homes of Excelsior. Someone noted that it only provides memory
care living. The Waters facility would charge a higher rent than Oppidan.
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Ms. Rusk stated Oppidan intends to move forward with its project even if The Waters project moves
forward and noted Oppidan would like to be first. It has a different pricing model. Oppidan thinks there is
a market for both facilities. She noted that even though Oppidan hopes to break ground in June 2016 the
facility would not be ready for residents to move in until nearly fall of 2017.
Commissioner Bean stated the Oppidan project would have a significant impact on that residential
neighborhood. He asked if there is any information about the occupancy rate of facilities within his
definition of region. Director Nielsen stated there is just the market study. Bean stated the market study
does not show the occupancy rates for the facilities in the region or if there are waiting lists. Ms. Rusk
stated vacancy rates are considered in the market study.
Ms. Kaiser stated Ebenezer manages the Deephaven Woods facility. It opened not quite two years ago. It
has seven available units out of 78 units in total. Ebenezer has a two year plan to fill all units. The rest of
the other Ebenezer properties are 95 – 98 percent occupied. She then stated staff in Ebenezer’s memory
care business refers people to other facilities if they do not have openings.
Vice-Chair Davis asked what the cost would be to live in one of the units of the proposed project. Ms.
Kaiser stated the cost would in part be based on the size of the unit. A one bedroom, independent living
unit in Deephaven Woods would be $1,800 a month. The assisted living package would increase the
monthly cost by $1,750. Additional services would be paid for on an a la cart basis. Davis asked what the
average age is of residents. Ms. Kaiser stated for assistant living it is 86 – 88 years old.
Commissioner Bean explained that when the Planning Commission discussed Oppidan’s requested
Zoning Code text amendments during its November 17, 2015, meeting there was mention as to whether
or not a sidewalk could be constructed along Chaska Road in front of the project site if the project moved
forward. Ms. Rusk stated Oppidan would look into that.
Bean stated if the sewer line had to be reworked he asked if that would be on the project site or along
Chaska Road. If it was along Chaska Road he asked what the disruption would be. Engineer Hornby
stated MCES would be the permitting agency for that. Hornby then stated it would likely be down the
center of Chaska Road and therefore Chaska Road would be closed at that end.
Commissioner Riedel stated on the original landscape plan one of the tree species listed was accolade
elm. That is not on the City’s list of approved trees in the Deciduous Tree Plan. Director Nielsen clarified
the list is not exhaustive and the applicant can add to that list. Riedel then stated the plans indicate that 60
significant trees would be removed. That number does not include the boxelder and cottonwood trees;
there are probably several dozen of them. The site will go from being heavily covered with trees to
minimal coverage. Planning carefully for the buffer zone would be really important. Ms. Rusk stated she
heard that at the neighborhood meeting.
Ms. Rusk stated Oppidan understands that good landscaping would be very important for the City,
residents in the neighborhood and residents living at the facility. She noted that Oppidan absolutely does
not have a fear that people will not come to live at the facility. The company has done its homework. She
explained the independent living units lease right away. People age into the assisted living units. People
do not grow into memory care. Someone usually calls with an immediate need for memory care. To have
that amenity in the community is very important. Once memory care fills it never empties.
Commissioner Johnson asked what Oppidan’s approach would be to dealing with senior living facilities
50 years from now after the baby boomer population is gone. Ms. Rusk stated it would become a nursing
home or the building could be demolished in 50 years. Johnson stated the zoning would likely last longer
than the building.
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Ms. Rusk stated there are 20-year-old assisted living facilities around. The newer ones may pass the test
of time. She then stated there is a need that has to be filled.
Vice-Chair Davis stated she was at an Ebenezer presentation at Cargill 20 years ago about life-cycle
housing which was very new at that time.
Davis stated she likes the site for what is being proposed. It is in a very nice residential area. The houses
in that area will be there 50 years from now.
Ms. Rusk stated Oppidan likes to be in a residential area because seniors can look out windows and see
they are in a residential area. She then stated Ebenezer is very excited about the proposed project.
Commissioner Maddy stated that based on his experience tenants vacate investor owned facilities much
more frequently than they do those they own. He asked why Ebenezer is not financing the project. Ms.
Kaiser explained Fairview has a certain amount of asset allocation and Ebenezer gets a portion of that on
a very limited basis. Ebenezer is not getting the opportunity to finance its own products at the rate it
would like them to be constructed. Approximately 10 years ago Ebenezer expanded its business model to
go into third party management because it had the expertise to do that and because it would have partners
who could build projects faster than could be done within Fairview. A big part of that process is to make
sure Ebenezer/Fairview really vets its potential partners. Ebenezer/Fairview is not interested in partnering
with an owner that wants to build a facility and then flip it. Ebenezer/Fairview puts a lot of investment,
both staff and resources, into developing a facility. She commented there are organizations talking to
Ebenezer about managing senior housing that Ebenezer does not want to work with.
Maddy asked how long Ebenezer’s initial lease is for. Ms. Kaiser noted Ebenezer has a management
contract and it is for five years with automatic extensions. Ms. Kaiser explained that she has worked for
Ebenezer for 10 years and there has only been one project that sold and that owner is on a short list for
Ebenezer for doing that and some other things. It is very important to Ebenezer’s leadership group not to
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have short term partnerships. She noted it will be Ebenezer’s 100 anniversary next year.
Vice-Chair Davis opened the Public Testimony portion of the Public Hearing at 8:11 P.M.
Mike Marr, 6015 Chaska Road, stated he lives across from the proposed project site. He has lived there
for 35 years. He expressed concern about the volume and speed of traffic on Chaska Road. He explained
when the Galpin Lake Road access at Highway 7 was eliminated the traffic moved over to Chaska Road.
Since that closure the population in the City of Chanhassen has increased significantly and that in turn
resulted in increasing traffic even more. The speed limit on Chaska Road is 30 miles per hour (mph) but
most drivers exceed that speed limit. The last two evenings he sat and observed traffic from 5:00 P.M. to
6:00 P.M. Approximately 180 cars traveled on Chaska Road during that one hour period. That is a fair
amount of traffic for the size of that roadway. The fastest vehicle traveling that roadway early in the
evening he saw was a Carver Country Sheriff’s vehicle. If there is a way of to change the access off of
Highway 7 he thought that would make more sense. He noted that he has been run into at the end of his
driveway twice. One of the times he was hit so hard he was thrown 150 feet into a vacant lot. He
encouraged people to find a way to slow traffic down.
If the majority of property owners want city water, he asked if that would become mandatory. There are
about 10 properties in the area. He asked what constitutes a majority. Director Nielsen responded the
super majority would be seven. Mr. Marr stated that could possibly be an issue for him. Commissioner
Bean clarified the properties would be assessed for the watermain extension but property owners would
not have to connect to city water. Nielsen noted property owners are not forced to connect to city water.
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Mr. Marr noted there has not been much discussion about the proposed lighting plan. He stated the area is
currently very dark. The Control House has one small (probably 100 watt) light on the side of its building;
at night he thought that light was very bright. If the project moves forward there would be a parking lot
full of lights. Even though they would be dimed it would still be a light source all night long.
He expressed concern for future residents of the facility. He explained Chaska Road is not very wide.
There are no markings on it. There are no sidewalks in the area. There is no place to pull off of the
roadway. It could be dangerous for a pedestrian walking on Chaska Road. He questioned if property
owners would want to be assessed for putting in a sidewalk.
Mr. Marr stated he liked the idea of putting in a berm. He requested pine trees (or some other coniferous
tree) be planted because they would serve as a sound barrier and block views throughout the year.
He stated Chaska Road is a 4-ton roadway when weight restrictions are in effect two months out of a year.
He asked if that is sufficient for the delivery trucks. Director Nielsen stated the delivery trucks may have
to be downsized during those times. It was noted that Ebenezer has done that in the past.
He then stated he thought he heard there would be about 10 workers on the site at any one time. He asked
if that is correct. Ms. Rusk stated that would depend on the time of day. Mr. Marr stated that means there
are vehicles going to and coming from the proposed facility at various times of the day and night.
He asked that construction vehicles be prohibited from parking on the roadway during construction. It is
tight for two cars to pass on that roadway.
Commissioner Maddy stated he has observed vehicles exiting off Highway 7 onto Chaska Road traveling
at high speeds. He asked Mr. Marr where he thought those drivers were going. Mr. Marr stated most of
the time the drivers turn left on to Mayflower Road and head over to Galpin Lake Road and drive into
Chanhassen. A few drivers use it as a cutoff to Highway 41. He thought that traffic has lessened because
of the long light at Highway 41.
Mr. Marr noted that he would like the Highway 7 access to Chaska Road closed and to make Chaska
Road a one-way road out to Highway 7. Commissioner Maddy concurred with that.
Vice-Chair Davis stated she hopes the delivery trucks would travel to the facility from Highway 41.
Mr. Marr stated that while observing traffic the last two evenings the drivers coming from Highway 41 to
Highway 7 are the worst speeding offenders.
Vice-Chair Davis stated speeding in general is a big issue in Shorewood.
Mr. Marr stated the speed limit on Highway 7 is 50 mph and drivers don’t have to slow down to access
Chaska Road. He explained that he lives 300 feet down Chaska Road on the left. When he makes a turn
onto his driveway drivers pass him. That happens frequently. Recently when he was walking across the
roadway to get his newspaper there was a driver who came off Highway 7 and was slowing down like he
should and another driver passed the first vehicle and almost hit him. He questioned why that access was
designed that way. He stated if the sewer line has to be improved, he asked if that intersection could be
realigned.
He stated some drivers will leave Excelsior on Water Street, go backwards on Highway 7 and come
through the intersection. Vice-Chair Davis stated she has observed that.
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Mr. Marr thanked the Planning Commission for its time.
Tyler Stevens, the owner of BeeHive Homes, noted his facility is located at roughly the intersection of
Highway 7 and Highway 41. He stated he is a proponent of the proposed project. He does not think the
facility would be a direct competitor of his. He expressed concern that Excelsior and Shorewood
representatives have been meeting to discuss a proposal for building yet another senior housing facility,
The Waters of Excelsior, which would be located in both Cities. He stated The Waters market study
results indicate one new senior housing facility would be good but not two. Oppidan’s market study from
a different firm indicates the same thing. He encouraged both Cities not to ignore that. He understands
municipal government should not get involved in private business. But, the Planning Commission is
responsible for watching out for Shorewood. Director Nielsen clarified there are discussions going on
between the Cities and there needs to be a lot more discussion. Mr. Stevens stated he understands The
Waters may not happen. He reiterated he thought the Oppidan proposal would be great but not if a person
could throw a baseball from the Oppidan proposed facility to the proposed The Waters facility.
Commissioner Johnson stated the Oppidan market study indicated there is a need for 156 units and
Oppidan’s proposal is for 105 units. He asked how many units there would be in The Waters facility. Mr.
Stevens responded he thought 110 units; it would be a four story structure. Mr. Stevens noted he does not
think the market studies take into account the expansion of BeeHive Homes or Chaska Senior Living
(about 220 units). He stated he thought Ebenezer will operate a to-be-built facility in Chanhassen.
Commissioner Bean stated that according to the Viewpoint Consulting Group study of August 2015 the
senior housing facility in Chanhassen will have 134 units. The Chaska Heights project which broke
ground last August will have 136 units. The addition to BeeHive Homes is for 117 units.
Mr. Stevens reiterated there is a need for more senior housing units. He questions the need for two
facilities in Shorewood/Excelsior. He stated it is very, very rare to have two facilities built at the same
time across the street from each other with competing markets. The Waters would be close to the same
split of unit types as Oppidan’s. He expressed concern about building too much senior housing in this
area. There is also the Sunrise of Minnetonka senior living facility east on Highway 7.
Joshua Trent, 6045 Chaska Road, stated his property is right across the street from the proposed
development. He and his wife are raising their two young boys in a very residential neighborhood. He
stated he shared the comments and concerns Mr. Marr articulated so well. He noted his greatest concern is
constructing the facility in a very residential area. He stated he thought the building would look beautiful.
From his perspective it does not fit in the very residential area in part because of the traffic challenges
already existing in that area. It would be borderline irresponsible and dangerous to add that much more
traffic. It would cause problems and safety issues that need to be addressed before moving forward with
the proposed project. He thought getting rid of the Highway 7 crossover would help the situation. He
asked if any thought has been given to having the entrance to the project site be off of Highway 7.
Commissioner Bean stated an entry from Highway 7 was briefly discussed last November. He does not
think the Minnesota Department of Transportation (MnDOT) would allow that. He thought there would
be a greater possibility to close the access at Chaska Road then creating another access off of Highway 7.
Mr. Trent stated he thought the area should be residential.
Commissioner Bean clarified that anything that happens to Highway 7 is not within the purview of
Shorewood.
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Director Nielsen stated MnDOT’s policy is if there is access from another street it would not allow
another direct access to Highway 7.
Commissioner Bean stated that he thought part of the problem is the posted speed on Galpin Lake Road
goes to 45 mph at the Carver County border. Maybe the City could ask Chanhassen to reduce that speed
and that could possibly help the situation. Engineer Hornby explained that once the border is crossed the
roadway becomes County Road 117. That County Road is slated for a turn back to the city some time. He
thought speed enforcement would better help mitigate the speeding situation.
Mr. Trent stated the City is allowing drivers to travel Chaska Road to Mayflower Road at high speeds.
Increasing the volume of traffic because of the proposed project would only exacerbate the problem and
make it more dangerous. It is only a matter of time before someone gets hurt.
Mr. Trent thanked the Commission.
Cindy Marr, 6015 Chaska Road, noted she was married to Mike Marr who spoke earlier. She suggested
the City consider putting up stop signs at some point along the proposed facility to break up some of the
driving patterns and maybe a stop sign at the three-way at Mayflower Road. Residents requested that
about 25 years ago. She stated having a sheriff there does not solve the problem. She noted drivers speed
through that area 24/7. She stated it appears that there would be three entrances to the site with the first
being across from her driveway. That results in there being three opportunities for people to get “smuked”
along the roadway because of excess speeding independent of which way they are coming. She asked if
there would be an advantage to eliminating the one that goes to the garage. She stated that over the years
drivers have used their driveway so much to turn around that the grass that was next to her driveway has
been destroyed. She then stated that she has trained herself and her children to slow way down when
accessing Chaska Road from Highway 7 and force the drivers behind them to slow down. She explained
that when people go to cross Highway 7 and use the access to Chaska Road they put their left blinker on.
Because she will leave her blinker on to signal that she is going to turn onto her driveway drivers behind
her assume she just did not turn her blinker off. She stated she thought putting a stop sign in the middle of
Chaska Road and at the intersection with Mayflower Road “might” help mitigate the speeding situation
and make it safer for residents in that area.
A resident along Chaska Road (name and address were inaudible) stated he has been passed many times
in his car by drivers coming off Highway 7. The proposed facility will generate an increase in traffic. As
smart cars become more realistic older people might drive more and for a longer period of time. He
explained that he did a mathematical calculation to determine how fast drivers were going on Chaska
Road. He determined the speeds drivers were traveling at while sitting at the end of his driveway. What
he calculated was drivers were traveling at a speed of 30 mph at best and up to about 70 mph. That
happens all of the time. He stated there needs to be a sidewalk along Chaska Road even without the
project. He noted that he had been told by someone some time ago that stop signs would not be placed
along Chaska Road. He clarified his greatest concern is about traffic. He stated to cross the street to get
mail is a 10-look process. He commented he thought the traffic has gotten worse speed wise coming off
Highway 7 when one of the worst intersections on Highway 7 which crossed into Excelsior was
eliminated. At least then a driver had to stop.
Vice-Chair Davis closed the Public Testimony portion of the Public Hearing at 8:45 P.M.
Commissioner Maddy stated once again the Commission has heard about a development proposal and
learned about a serious traffic problem that is not related to the proposed development. He asked who
manages Chaska Road. Engineer Hornby noted Chaska Road is a Shorewood roadway and at Highway 41
it crosses the border into Chanhassen. Maddy asked if it is possible to make changes (e.g., stop signs)
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along Chaska Road. Hornby stated stop signs would likely not meet warrants based on his experience. He
could have a traffic engineer look into that.
Engineer Hornby stated the City could ask MnDOT to work with the City to determine what the impact
would be if the crossover on Highway 7 to Chaska Road was closed temporarily as an experiment. Doing
that might force traffic on to Highway 41 and drivers might take Lake Lucy Road over to County Road
117. That is probably where high volume traffic should go. Council would have to authorize staff to do
that.
Director Nielsen stated Council established a Traffic Committee to study traffic around the Minnetonka
Country Club (MCC) development. The Committee’s most significant recommendation will likely be for
more speed enforcement. Council has discussed having that Committee or a new group that would discuss
traffic issues throughout Shorewood. He then stated the City could have the South Lake Minnetonka
Police Department (SLMPD) deploy the speed buggy which could display the speed drivers are traveling
on Chaska Road. The buggy would capture the volume of vehicles traveling on the roadway. The City
could maybe do an informal study and capture speed, time and number of vehicles. If MnDOT were
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asked to conduct a formal speed study and found the 85 percentile for the speed being driven was higher
than 30 mph it could possibly increase the speed limit. Engineer Hornby explained MnDOT would also
consider the width of the roadway and layout.
Vice-Chair Davis asked if Chaska Road was constructed to the City’s roadway standards. Engineer
Hornby stated it is a rural roadway; it is somewhat like Country Club Road or Yellowstone Trail. Hornby
stated he would guess Chaska Road is 22 feet wide.
Commissioner Maddy asked if the applicant is required to have three entrances onto the project site. The
traffic engineers he deals with recommend the fewer the better. Director Nielsen stated the City is not
requiring three and noted the initial plan had four. The applicant is allowed one per 120 feet. Vice-Chair
Davis stated it looks like two entrances are wider than the third. Nielsen stated he thought the wider ones
would be 24 feet wide. Davis asked what the width of the narrower entrance at the south end is. Someone
with Oppidan stated at the street it is 24 feet wide then the width varies.
Commissioner Maddy stated a big concern of his, especially with those types of properties, is the facility
looks like a big apartment building. It does not operate like one. He has worked with a lot of them and
they are good neighbors. The residents would not generate the same amount of traffic as residents in an
apartment would. But, the response time of older residents to drive off of a site is longer. He then stated
the two instances when he went out to look at the area he observed the speeds being driven were
excessive. He can believe someone drove the area at 70 mph. He noted he would be nervous allowing a
use like the one being proposed on a roadway like Chaska Road where people drive recklessly after
coming off a highway. He would like more investigation into what traffic calming options there are
before recommending approval of the project. Vice-Chair Davis concurred with that statement.
Vice-Chair Davis stated she thought a senior housing facility would be a good use of the property. But,
valid concerns mainly about traffic have been expressed. She commented that the only time she had taken
that route was to cut through.
Director Nielsen asked the residents in attendance if they thought speeding is more of an issue for
southbound traffic or traffic going northbound to get to Highway 7. Mr. Marr responded both ways and
stated when he observed traffic from 5:00 P.M. to 6:00 P.M, on two evenings for the drivers going
Highway 7 toward Highway 41 one in 10 drivers was really speeding; they were travelling well over 40
mph. For the drivers coming from Highway 41 to Highway 7, 9 out of 10 drivers were traveling at speeds
of well over 40 mph.
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Vice-Chair Davis stated the only time she has taken Chaska Road she was going from Highway 7 to
Galpin Lake Road. The majority of drivers were not going the same direction she was going because she
was trying to go to Chanhassen. She then stated drivers cut through to avoid the intersection of Highway
7 and Highway 41.
Vice-Chair Davis re-opened the Public Testimony portion of the Public Hearing at 8:55 P.M.
Mr. Stevens stated there is a school right across the roadway from BeeHive Homes. MnDOT wanted to
cap the entrance at BeeHive. BeeHive ended up doing an access exchange with MnDOT. An access was
capped and relocated. Maybe there could be an access exchange for this proposed project. The access to
BeeHive is going to be moved about 50 feet to line up with the access to the school.
Vice-Chair Davis closed the Public Testimony portion of the Public Hearing at 8:56 P.M.
Commissioner Bean asked someone with Oppidan to describe the proposed lighting plan.
Director Nielsen noted the applicant submitted a graphic for the lighting plan but it was not included in
the meeting packet.
Vicki Vandell, with Loucks, explained there would be a mixture of shoebox type lights with full cutoff.
The fixtures along the service drive will be 20 feet tall. The main parking is all luminaires and provides an
average of 2.2 foot candles. Along the property line it would be 0.4 foot candles or less. On the south and
west side of the building there is very little lighting; just the building lighting. The retaining wall on those
two sides is up higher; the building will be down a little. Only the sidewalk will be lit.
Vice-Chair Davis asked if the lights turn off at night. Someone in the audience stated some lights are on
all night. Ms. Vandell stated some of them could be turned off or dimmed. The emergency exit has to be
lit.
Commissioner Bean stated at the convenience road at Old Market Road there was a requirement to turn
off the outside lights at a certain time. Director Nielsen stated the Zoning Ordinance has standards for
anything open 24 hours a day. He stated for this facility the main entry can be lit but there has to be
reduced lighting otherwise.
Bean asked if the applicant is concerned from a security perspective about reducing lighting at some point
during the evening. It was noted the main entrance has to be lit.
It was noted if staff could park near the main entrance then the parking lot lighting could be dimmed or
turned off. It was also noted the applicant appreciates the concerns about too much lighting during
evening hours.
Commissioner Maddy stated he has done a lot of work with the types of lighting fixtures being proposed.
He stated the proposed lighting plan would not be very bright. He asked if the applicant had a preference
for color temperature. It is currently specified as 4000k (kelvin). A lot of people think that is pretty bright
if it is left on all night long. He suggested going with 3000k.
Vice-Chair Davis stated she would like to see more options for Chaska Road.
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Commissioner Bean stated if Chaska Road was closed off at Highway 7 he questions if that will push
traffic to Mayflower Road to Galpin Lake Road as a way to get to Highway 7. He then stated traffic is his
greatest concern. Chaska Road is not set up to handle current traffic let alone more traffic.
Someone asked if Chaska Road could become a dead end roadway. Commissioner Bean stated the fire
department is not overly fond of cul-de-sacs. Director Nielsen stated emergency access is an issue.
Director Nielsen stated that the traffic issue needs a traffic study. It does not get decided with a project. A
study will take more time. He explained the City has to comply with the 60-day rule per State Statute. The
City has to make a decision about the application within 60 days of receiving a complete application. That
can be extended another 60 days for a justifiable reason provided the applicant is notified before the
original 60 days is up. A study would take longer than the time remaining to make a decision about the
application.
Vice-Chair Davis asked if the Highway 7 crossover to Chaska Road could be closed off temporarily.
Director Nielsen stated that may be possible as an experiment.
Engineer Hornby stated while working on Galpin Lake Road sidewalk project plans he observed that
roadway has a heavier morning traffic volume peak and an afternoon/evening peak that picks up on
Chaska Road. There is traffic volume northbound on Chaska Road in the morning as well. He then stated
drivers like to be close to the bumper of a vehicle being driven at the posted speed limit. He went on to
state a recommendation that could come out of a traffic study is to expand a roadway to handle traffic
volume and speed.
Director Nielsen stated he has been amazed that drivers will get off of Highway 41 at Chaska Road and
take that to Highway 7. He then stated enforcement is the most effective way to get drivers to reduce their
speed. The City can ask the SLMPD to provide more speed enforcement on Chaska Road.
Ms. Rusk stated if a person looks at the proposal from an aerial view senior housing looks like the right
use. But, to the residents in the area it does not look right.
A resident clarified he is not opposed to what is proposed. It is about the increase in traffic and lighting in
the area.
Vice-Chair Davis asked what kind of commitment can be obtained to assess the traffic situation separate
from the proposed project. Director Nielsen suggested making that part of the Commission’s
recommendation to Council.
In response to a comment from Commissioner Maddy, Engineer Hornby explained the items listed in his
Engineering Report can all be addressed as part of the final design. The Final Plan Stage plans would not
be approved until they have been resolved.
Commissioner Maddy stated he does not remember considering approval of Concept Stage and
Development Stage plans at the same time. Director Nielsen clarified that is an option in the Zoning
Code. Nielsen stated the developer takes a risk by doing that. In response to another comment from
Maddy, Nielsen reiterated staff will continue to work with the applicant on refining the landscape plan.
Director Nielsen noted senior housing is very high on his list and that he is a big supporter of the PUD
process. He stated the PUD process has generally been somewhat consistent with what the zoning already
was. He thought what is being proposed would be a dramatic change to the residents in that area. It would
not have a residential feel. The facility would look like a large commercial building. He expressed
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concern that the facility could not be screened enough to mitigate that impact. He stated he does not think
traffic generated because of the proposed project is the problem. He frequently travels by the Sunrise
senior living facility and he does not see a lot of vehicles coming or going; but, it does not have a cut-
through route near it. The problem is the existing traffic on Chaska Road. He agrees any recommendation
to Council should include the need for studying traffic on Chaska Road. He expressed concern that what
is being proposed is too much for that space.
Commissioner Riedel stated the existing residential area has very dense tree cover. Sixty mature trees will
be removed. When the boxelder trees and cottonwood trees are included about 100 trees will be removed.
Replacement trees can be planted but it will take a generation for them to become big, mature trees. There
will only be an opportunity for tree landscaping around the periphery of the developed site.
Maddy moved, Riedel seconded, recommending approval of rezoning the properties located at
23075 State Highway 7 and 6020 and 6050 Chaska Road to planned unit development (PUD) and
the Concept Stage and Development Stage plans for a senior assisted living facility PUD for
Oppidan Investment Company contingent on the applicant working with the City to resolve any
outstanding issues identified in the staff report (dated March 7, 2016), the engineering report
(dated March 7, 2016) and issues raised during this Public Hearing; and, also recommending the
City make a concerted effort to find a solution to mitigate the cut-through traffic problem that
currently exists on Chaska Road.
Vice-Chair Davis noted that she was uneasy about this. The other Commissioners concurred.
Vice-Chair Davis clarified she is uneasy for the residents in the area; about putting the facility in their
front yards.
Commissioner Johnson stated he is uneasy about taking part of a residential area and zoning it something
else. No one knows what the need will be 50 years from now yet the property has been rezoned.
Director Nielsen explained if the project fails to move forward the PUD would revert back to the existing
zoning. Commissioner Johnson noted that eases some of his concerns.
Commissioner Bean stated the Planning Commission is trying to make something work that all
Commissioners feel a little uncomfortable about. He asked if the City would be better served by trying to
find a better location for the proposed senior housing. That won’t make Oppidan happy. Yet, knowing
that there will be an additional 200 plus senior housing units coming online in a short time period that
would all serve the Shorewood and South Lake area relatively effectively he thought there is time to find
a better location for such a facility.
Vice-Chair Davis asked if the worst thing that could go in on the corner of this area now is an office
building. Director Nielsen stated an office building could be built on the R-C portion. Davis asked how
large that portion is. Nielsen stated he thought a little over one-half acre and maybe a little more than that.
Nielsen noted beyond that it is single-family and two-family zoning.
Director Nielsen clarified the R-C District is intended to be a transitional district between lower intensity
uses like single-family residential and either commercial or in this instance highways. Commissioner
Riedel asked if a fast-food restaurant go in there. Director Nielsen responded no under the current zoning.
Nielsen stated the most intense use would be an office building.
Motion passed 3/2 with Bean and Davis dissenting.
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Director Nielsen stated this would go before Council on March 28, 2016.
Vice-Chair Davis closed the Public Hearing at 9:26 P.M.
2. PUBLIC HEARING – CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR ACCESSORY SPACE OVER
1200 SQUARE FEET
Applicant: Bradley Hauser
Location: 5640 Covington Road
Vice-Chair Davis opened the Public Hearing at 9:26 P.M., noting the process will be the same as for the
previous item. She stated during this Public Hearing the Planning Commission is going to consider a
conditional use permit (C.U.P.) for accessory space over 1200 square feet for Bradley Hauser, 5640
Covington Road.
Vice-Chair Davis recessed the meeting at 9:27 P.M.
Vice-Chair Davis reconvened the meeting at 9:31 P.M.
Director Nielsen explained Bradley Hauser is building a new home at 5640 Covington Road. The home
would have an attached garage. The floor area of the attached garage for the home, when combined with
an old pump house structure near the lake, exceeds the 1200 square feet in floor area allowable for
accessory space. That requires a conditional use permit (C.U.P.) pursuant to Section 1201.03 Subd.
2.d.(4) of the Shorewood Zoning Code.
The subject property contains 82,795 square feet of area. It is zoned R-1A/S, Single-Family
Residential/Shoreland. The proposed home would have 3422 square feet of floor area above grade on the
main level. He displayed a copy of the site plan. Covington Road is on the east side of the property and
Christmas Lake is on the west side. The property drops significantly between the roadway and the Lake.
The previous home was located on a flat spot on the lot. The new home would be well back of the
required setbacks. The shoreline setback is 75 feet. The garage would be end-loading and located on the
south side of the building.
With regard to the analysis of the case, Nielsen noted Section 1201.03 Subd. 2.d.(4) of the Zoning Code
prescribes criteria for granting a C.U.P. for accessory space over 1200 square feet. He reviewed how the
applicant’s plan complies with the criteria.
1. The total area of accessory space (1359 square feet) does not exceed the floor area above grade of
the new home (3422 square feet – main level).
2. The total area of accessory space does not exceed ten percent of the minimum lot size for the R-
1A/S zoning district (.10 x 40,000 = 4000 square feet).
3. The old pump house is nonconforming with respect to its setback from the lake. The location of
the building is mitigated somewhat by the fact that the building is tucked into the hillside.
The applicants have cited the provisions of Section 1201.03 Subd. 2.d.(4)(e) as justification for
retaining the old pump house. In 2007, the City adopted an amendment to the Comprehensive
Plan setting forth its intention to recognize and preserve special structures in Shorewood. This
was followed by an amendment to the zoning regulations, providing for the preservation of
certain nonconforming structures that have historical, architectural, or cultural significance. Mr.
Hauser believes the pump house is consistent with the criteria for keeping such structures.
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a. The applicant has submitted an aerial photo dating back to 1956 which shows the pump
house.
b. While the structure has not been inspected by the Building Official as of this writing,
preliminary observation of the building in question suggests it is in good condition. Some
cosmetic work on the building will be necessary. It is recommended that, as a condition of
approval, the building be maintained in some sort of earth tone color.
c. Mr. Hauser’s application states: “The pump house is visible in historic pictures. Likely used
to draw water from the lake to supply adjacent homes. Adds a historical character to the
property. Removing the building could be more disruptive through erosion or other as the
pump house is built into the sloping hill”.
4. The issue of architectural compatibility between the accessory and principal structures is
somewhat of a moot point. The attached garage is obviously an integral part of the home. The
pump house is discreetly tucked into the hillside and separated from the house by distance, grade
and vegetation.
Nielsen stated the applicant’s plans are consistent with the Code requirements for accessory space and
historic structures. Therefore, staff recommends approval of the C.U.P.
Bradley Hauser, 5640 Covington Road, noted he and his wife have four children ages 4 - 17. He stated
with the pump house they are trying to maintain an old look and feel around Christmas Lake. He does not
know what the impact of removing the pump house would be on the physical area around it. The structure
is in a bluff. The garage would be used as a basketball court by his children.
Commissioner Riedel stated there is a hose running to Christmas Lake from the pump house. He asked if
that is being used to pump water for irrigation. Mr. Hauser stated they purchased the property in March.
The previous owner used the pump house to irrigate the yard. He is not sure how functional things are in
the pump house. Riedel noted that he had lived on a property which fronted Lake Virginia and he needed
a permit to draw water from that Lake. That property was located in a different watershed district.
Mr. Hauser asked if he needs a permit to draw water out of Christmas Lake for irrigation. Director
Nielsen stated he was not sure. His pump house may be grandfathered in. Commissioner Bean clarified
that is not relevant to this discussion. Bean asked if there is a problem with the hose being above ground.
Nielsen stated he does not think so. Mr. Hauser stated his preference would be to have the hose below
ground.
Commissioner Johnson stated if the Hausers did not want to use the pump house for irrigation purposes
he asked if they would still want to keep the pump house. Mr. Hauser responded he would.
Vice-Chair Davis commented she liked the pump house.
Commissioner Riedel stated if the pump house were to be removed the applicant would have to assess if
the integrity of the bluff would remain intact.
Vice-Chair Davis opened the Public Testimony portion of the Public Hearing at 9:44 P.M.
Karen Vance noted she owns the property immediately next to the Hausers’ property. She stated did not
know there was a pump house on the Hausers’ property. She noted she does not object to leaving the
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pump house on the property. She stated she is looking forward to having a young family in the
neighborhood.
Vice-Chair Davis closed the Public Testimony portion of the Public Hearing at 9:45 P.M.
Commissioner Johnson stated he thought this request was very straight forward.
Johnson moved, Bean seconded, recommending approval of a conditional use permit for accessory
space over 1200 square feet for Bradley Hauser, 5640 Covington Road. Motion passed 5/0.
Vice-Chair Davis closed the Public Hearing at 9:46 P.M.
3. PUBLIC HEARING – REZONING PRELIMINARY PLAT, AND VARIANCES FOR
LOT AREA, LOT WIDTH AND SETBACKS
Applicant: Peter Lehman
Location: 21265 and 21285 Radisson Road
Vice-Chair Davis opened the Public Hearing at 9:46 P.M. She stated this Public Hearing is for rezoning
of a preliminary plat and variances for lot area, lot width and setbacks for Peter Lehman, 21265 and
21285 Radisson Road.
Maddy moved, Davis seconded, continuing the Public Hearing for rezoning of a preliminary plat
and variances for lot area, lot width and setbacks for Peter Lehman, 21265 and 21285 Radisson
Road to the April 19, 2016, Planning Commission meeting. Motion passed 5/0.
Vice-Chair Davis continued the Public Hearing at 9:47 P.M.
4. MINNETONKA COUNTRY CLUB PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT – DISCUSS
REDUCED SETBACK FOR AGE-TARGETED UNITS
This item was postponed.
5. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR
There were no matters from the floor presented this evening.
6. OLD BUSINESS / NEW BUSINESS
Commissioner Bean stated from his perspective there appears to have been a series of scope changes with
Mattamy Homes’ Minnetonka Country Club (MCC) project.
Director Nielsen explained that during the Planning Commission’s February 16, 2016, meeting the
Commission considered a request from Mattamy for approval of its revised Development Stage plans for
the planned unit development (PUD) and preliminary plat for its MCC development.
Commissioner Johnson stated the revised plans reflected moving the age-targeted units originally planned
for the northeast corner down to the Niblick Alcove cul-de-sac and replacing the units with ten traditional
units.
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Vice-Chair Davis stated the builders Mattamy was speaking with about constructing the age-targeted
units wanted them to be either walkout or lookout lower levels. That could not be accomplished on the
northeast corner.
Director Nielsen reiterated Vice-Chair Davis’s comment. He stated the most disappointing thing about the
age-targeted units is the cost to purchase them continues to increase. The base price for them was
originally going to be about $450,000. It is now up to about $600,000. That is the base price of the
traditional units. The developer told Council the age-targeted units were really more about a different life
style. The grass mowing and snowplowing for them would be done by a MCC homeowners association.
Mattamy had been talking to Wooddale Builders about constructing the age-targeted units on the east side
of the site. Wooddale would have 2.5 – 3 stall garages on those units; Mattamy would have had 2 stall
garages. Wooddale would also finish the lower level of the units.
Vice-Chair Davis stated the proposed garages would be side entry and have a larger footprint.
Commissioner Bean stated he assumes that is what resulted in the request for reduced setbacks. Director
Nielsen stated the request was to reduce the front-yard setback to 15 feet. The City has never allowed less
than 20 feet so that there could be room for a car on the driveway.
Director Nielsen stated Rick Packer, representing Mattamy, has recently indicated to him that the idea of
15-foot front yard setbacks was being abandoned. The developer is going to request 20-foot setbacks. He
then stated he thought Mattamy may consider going back to its own product.
In response to a question from Commissioner Bean, Director Nielsen explained Mattamy wanted to use
another builder for some of the units to spread the risk out. It also wanted to generate more development
activity in addition to what it was doing. Mattamy may go back to using Charles Cudd Company to
develop the eastern age-targeted units. Commissioner Johnson commented that would increase the base
cost to $700,000. Nielsen noted Cudd would have had a base price of $500,000.
Vice-Chair Davis stated at the end of the Planning Commission’s discussion about the project during its
February 16 meeting Mr. Packer stated the base price for its traditional units would likely be $700,000.
She then stated that Mr. Packer had stated the developer for the $1 million plus units pulled out because
that builder did not think he could sell them.
Director Nielsen stated the Planning Advisory Committee (PAC) for the MCC project had suggested that
there be some diversity in housing style and price. Mattamy’s response to that was the age-targeted units
that were smaller, single level living units intended for an older age person; that was not a requirement.
Commissioner Maddy stated the City created the problem by asking for the variety of housing styles and
units (i.e., the age-targeted units).
Vice-Chair Davis stated it would be fine with her if Mattamy went back to its own product for the age-
targeted units.
Director Nielsen noted that during its March 28, 2016, meeting Council will consider a request from
Mattamy for an early development permit that would allow it to start initial grading.
Commissioner Bean stated once the final plat is approved he asked if Mattamy had to stop revising
things. Director Nielsen stated that would be true for the first phase once the final plat is approved.
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Vice-Chair Davis stated there is no liaison to the Council meeting assigned for Council’s March 28
meeting. She asked Commissioner Riedel if he wants to do that. Riedel stated he would be out of town
that day. One other Commissioner indicated they would be out of town and another indicated they might
be also. Davis volunteered to be the liaison.
7. DRAFT NEXT MEETING AGENDA
Director Nielsen stated there is redo of a minor subdivision and the continued public hearing from tonight
for the Lehmans slated for the April 19, 2016, Planning Commission meeting. There will be a public
hearing on revisions to the Zoning Code regarding alternative energy.
8. REPORTS
• Liaison to Council
• SLUC
• Other
Vice-Chair Davis stated the Commission needs to select a chair and vice-chair. Director Nielsen stated
that can be done tonight or on April 19.
Bean moved, Maddy seconded, recommending the nomination of Sue Davis to the position of
Planning Commission Chair. Motion passed 5/0.
Davis moved, Johnson seconded, recommending the nomination of Dustin Maddy to the position of
Planning Commission Vice-Chair. Motion passed 5/0.
9. ADJOURNMENT
Davis moved, Maddy seconded, adjourning the Planning Commission Meeting of March 15, 2016,
at 10:02 P.M. Motion passed 5/0.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Christine Freeman, Recorder