PC-06-07-16
CITY OF SHOREWOOD COUNCIL CHAMBERS
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING 5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD
TUESDAY, JUNE 7, 2016 7:00 P.M.
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
Chair Davis called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M.
ROLL CALL
Present: Chair Davis; Commissioners Bean, Maddy and Riedel; Planning Director Nielsen;
Engineer Hornby; and, Council Liaison Sundberg
Absent: Commissioner Johnson
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Maddy moved, Bean seconded, approving the agenda for June 7, 2016, as presented. Motion passed
4/0.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
May 3, 2016
Maddy moved, Riedel seconded, approving the Planning Commission Meeting Minutes of May 3,
2016, as presented. Motion passed 4/0.
1. PUBLIC HEARING – CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR REMOVAL OF OVER 400
CUBIC YARDS OF SOIL AND DEPOSITING OVER 100 CUBIC YARDS OF FILL
Applicant: Thomas Wartman
Location: 27135 and 26985 Edgewood Road
Chair Davis opened the Public Hearing at 7:01 P.M. noting the procedures used in a Public Hearing. She
explained the Planning Commission is composed of residents of the City of Shorewood who are serving
as volunteers on the Commission. The Commissioners are appointed by the City Council. The
Commission’s role is to help the City Council in determining zoning and planning issues. One of the
Commission’s responsibilities is to hold public hearings and to help develop the factual record for an
application and to make a non-binding recommendation to the City Council. The recommendation is
advisory only. She stated this evening the Planning Commission is going to consider a conditional use
permit (C.U.P.) for removal of over 400 cubic yards of soil and depositing over 100 cubic yards of fill.
Director Nielsen explained Tom Wartman has requested a C.U.P. for fill in excess of 100 cubic yards for
his property located at 26985 Edgewood Road. He is proposing to bring in about 3000 cubic yards of fill
to improve the buildability of the property. During its May 9, 2016, meeting Council approved a
subdivision of that property into two lots but it has not been recorded yet. There is a new house being
built on the property located at 27135 Edgewood Road and that necessitates the removal of 1200 yards of
fill away from that site. That fill will be brought to the Wartman property. Removal of more than 400
cubic yards of fill also requires a C.U.P. Both C.U.P.s are being handled as one matter. Because this is
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more of an engineering matter he asked Engineer Hornby to come to this Public Hearing to answer any
questions the people may have. Hornby had provided comment on both of the items. Some owners of
properties located near the Wartman property have expressed concern about bringing in the fill. He
thought Hornby’s review addresses those concerns.
The 26985 property is zoned R-1A/S, Single-Family Residential and contains 88,202 square feet of area.
The land is surrounded by single-family residential development, also zoned R-1A/S. The 27135 property
is more than an acre in size.
The most significant issue with this type of application is drainage. Where is the water going to go?
Would it adversely impact the surrounding properties? Engineer Hornby has been working with Mr.
Wartman and his engineer to make sure drainage issues are resolved. The meeting packet contained a
copy of the grading plan for the Wartman property. The front of both of the two (the subdivided) lots will
be filled to accommodate the buildings on the two lots.
The property has a fair amount of water flowing through it mostly coming from the east and mostly going
toward the west. Water is stored in the area marked with yellow on the grading plan. Engineer Hornby’s
recommendation is that both the rate and volume of the water flowing off of the site has to be controlled.
He displayed a drawing (distributed to the Commission that evening) showing how that area would
accommodate the same amount of water storage as the current lot does.
Drainage is not an issue on the 27135 lot; the lot where the fill is being removed from.
Commissioner Bean asked Engineer Hornby to describe what the arrows on the drawing are attempting to
show.
Engineer Hornby explained on the grading plan included in the meeting packet the yellow outer ring
contour indicates where water is currently stored on the site. There is a private storm drain that drains to
the northeast across another property and into the lake. He had told the developer that can remain but it
has to be relocated because of the location of where the building pad would be.
For the proposed scenario the developer has been told that he needs to maintain the same amount of
volume on site as the current site has. He also needs to provide a one-inch rain fall event for 25 percent
impervious surface on the lot. That is the maximum amount of impervious surface allowed in a shoreland
overlay district. The developer increased the size as shown on the drawing Nielsen distributed; it provides
that volume. As a requirement the developer needs about 12,200 cubic feet of storage; they are providing
12,300 cubic feet. The lot grading has to maintain the drainage for Edgewood Road which currently flows
into the low area. An attempt has been made to account for the amount the lot currently stores as well as
the future impervious surface that would be generated on the lot.
Commissioner Riedel asked if the water is stored in the form of a marshy area. Engineer Hornby stated it
is a low area and he assumes there is some infiltration that occurs now. He has not found standing water
there. A water service was put in for a new house on a property a few lots to the west near some very
sandy soils. There may be a layer of sand where the storage infiltrates. It looks like there was an area that
was excavated as a pond on the property to the west. It is somewhat an extension of a larger low area that
would overflow to Noble Road if it overflowed.
Riedel then asked if the lot that is located between the subject lot and Noble Road is higher in elevation.
Hornby stated the lot directly to the west is about the same elevation. Chair Davis stated the owners of the
properties along Noble Road behind the subject property have concerns about drainage. Hornby stated
based on what the developer’s surveyor found the emergency overflow from the subject property
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overflows on to Edgewood Road before it goes over the lots to the south. He clarified that after a heavy
rain event there may be some water that is stored. Per the City Ordinance the development cannot make
the drainage worse.
Chair Davis opened the Public Testimony portion of the Public Hearing at 7:11 P.M.
Julie Scheurer, 26930 Edgewood Road, noted she and her husband live across from the Wartman property
to the north. Their property is downhill across from the lake. She stated they have concerns that the
drainage off of the Wartman property will increase because of the proposed project. She has not heard
anything about the height of the property after the fill has been added to the site. Will the fill be spread
out or will there be a big mound of fill? Depending on what is done it will make a big difference on
drainage. She is concerned because there is a manhole on the Wartman property and she does not know
where it goes. It may come down through her property. She is not aware of there being any easement
obtained by anyone that allows for drainage to flow over her property.
She explained she and her husband did a project about 15 years ago that involved putting in a retaining
wall and a cement pad down by their home and built an attached garage. They saw a clay pipe in the
retaining wall. They asked the builder at the time what that pipe was. Everything was fine for a while and
then one year later there was a lot of water flowing out of that pipe across their driveway pad near their
home then across their lawn into the lake. She expressed concern that it could be from the manhole. She
remembered seeing Mr. Wartman coming on to their property and looking at the pipe. She does not know
what he concluded. That was the only time they observed drainage flowing across their property.
When water first started flowing out of the pipe they went across the street to find out where the water
was coming from; that is when they saw the manhole. It was an old manhole that was not secured. There
was a torrent of water going into it. Sometime later they went over there to look at the manhole again. It
had been secured with a new cover and it had been relined with new brick.
She asked where the drainage goes from the easterly most lot of the two subdivided lots that are directly
across the street from her property. Her concern is only about damage to her property that could occur if
the volume and rate of flow increase. She stated if a couple of mounds were placed on flat land it seems
like a creek or moat would be created that would direct that the flow into the manhole. It visually looks
like it will always be the lowest point.
She expressed concern about lake quality because it is unwise to have unfiltered water flow into the lake.
Currently the relatively flat area of the two Wartman lots has acted as somewhat of a filtration area for the
water coming from the surrounding contiguous area which she thought was higher. That was the low
point of the neighborhood other than the lots along the lake. Visually to her all of the properties drain onto
the Wartman lot. She is concerned that the water may end up flowing on to her property instead.
She asked what the maximum height of the added fill can be in any one place. Director Nielsen stated for
the westerly of the two Wartman lots it goes up about six feet and for the easterly lot it would be close to
five feet. That would be at the steepest points. Ms. Scheurer then asked if there have been calculations
made to determine how much fill is needed to achieve those heights. The staff memo states the C.U.P. is
for fill in excess of 100 cubic yards. Nielsen stated the amount of fill that would be brought onto the sites
would be a total of about 3000 cubic yards.
She stated she would like to have a map of the drainage of the surrounding properties and the pipes.
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In response to a comment from Chair Davis, Engineer Hornby noted there is no City storm sewer in that
area and stated he thought that Ms. Scheurer was talking about the storm drain on Mr. Wartman’s
property. He thought there was a beehive or a catch basin grate.
Ms. Scheurer asked how much responsibility the City would take by allowing that much fill to be brought
onto the site and creating a moat that ultimately directs the water to the manhole if the water does in fact
come through her property.
Tom Wartman, 28120 Boulder Bridge Drive, noted his uncle moved to the 26985 Edgewood Road
property in 1939/1940 with his wife. He explained that Ms. Scheurer is referring to a grate on a storm
drain that had been installed sometime during the 1920s. It is a 6-inch or 8-inch clay pipe. It has a flat
grate on it which has never been changed. The brick is the original as far as he knows. Water drains to the
grate from the 26985 lot. The drain only takes extra water.
The elevation there is approximately 944. The houses to the south, based on the grading plans he has
looked, at are approximately 9 – 10 feet above that elevation (about 954). The overflow to Noble Road to
the west is at a 946. The overflow on Edgewood Road is 948. His engineer and Engineer Hornby have
worked to show that after the two new houses are built on the two lots created by the subdivision the area
of drainage is going to remain the same; in fact, it would be able to take an additional inch of water during
a storm.
The 26985 lot is 88,202 square foot (or about 2.2 acre) lot and was recently subdivided. The house on the
westerly new lot will be a rambler look-out style. The house on the east would be a two story look-out
style. Both would be custom homes. The builder of the the house on 27135 Edgewood Road will build the
two custom homes. They each have wanted to build on the lots for over six years but that did not work
out because of the poor housing market. The additional fill that would be brought to the site would be
used where the house footprints will be.
Wartman stated when his uncle lived on the 26985 property there was a house, garage and storage
building on the site. Those were removed because they were in a state of disrepair. From an impervious
surface perspective only one new house is being added. The clay drain pipe has been working in excess of
80 years and it will continue to drain some of the water. That storm pipe does come out across the
Scheurer’s driveway. It was there when previous owners lived there during the 1950s.
He stated the clay drain pipe is not going to be expanded. It would be on the northwest corner of the
easterly lot. There is enough drop in elevation there. The pipe would be extended toward the rear of the
house; to the south. It would do the same thing as it has done for more than 80 years. No more water
would be added to that drain. There is no other hard surface being added. The fill that would be brought to
the site would not increase anything from a drainage pattern. Water does not overflow the road toward the
Scheurer’s property because the elevation of Edgewood Road there is about 950/951. The low point is
near the northwesterly corner of the lot. There is a swale between the new construction built a couple of
years ago and the old Steben’s home which has been remodeled. The swale takes the water down to the
lake. Water that comes to Edgewood Road at 948 drains to the swale then in to the lake. Any water that
goes westerly across the Bell’s lot drains into the lower area on that lot and it overflows at 946.
Wartman stated he is trying to be a good neighbor. He commented the home values would be in excess of
$1 million. He noted his company does quality work; it developed Boulder Bridge Farms. He no longer
builds homes.
He noted he met with the property owners to the south.
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Mr. Wartman offered to entertain questions.
Commissioner Maddy stated if the 948 elevation does get reached because of significant rainfall that
would result in 2 – 4 feet of water column going into the private clay pipe. Mr. Wartman stated that
overflow at that point would be going in both directions and noted if that happened today the same thing
would happen. Maddy stated he agrees with what has been presented. But, the problem that is of concern
is an existing problem. Mr. Wartman stated there is no existing problem. The clay drain pipe has been
there for more than 80 years and there has been a house on the Scheurer’s property for possibly just as
long. He noted that the water in the catch basin will not be increased at all.
Chair Davis stated that theoretically the water should be decreased because it is going back into the
retention area. If the grading plan is correct and the contours work the way they should almost all of the
water should flow to the back.
Mr. Wartman noted his 26985 property has been taking on water for years. He stated it is the last site to
be redeveloped. He does not think he and the builder should be penalized for that. They are meeting all of
the specifications the City Engineer has requested.
Engineer Hornby stated from an engineering perspective the developer cannot change the drainage pattern
and what is being proposed will not. All of the water from Edgewood Road and from the lots flow to the
back as it does today. He noted Mr. Wartman has explained the overflow correctly. He stated the
overflow is to the north; not to the south. It goes through the property where the house built two years is.
Because the storm drain is there today they are allowed to maintain that on the site from an engineering
perspective.
Ms. Scheurer explained the drainage has not historically flowed over their property. It was a new
development because of their retaining wall going into that clay pipe. It is now an open pipe that faces
toward their home. It is only separated from their home by a cement pad. Therefore, any water flowing
out of that pipe flows towards their house. The pipe is about 2.5 feet above the cement pad. The one time
that water flowed out in a torrent it dropped down like a waterfall. The pipe had been buried in the ground
previously. She assumed it had been connected to something. There must be another pipe somewhere on
their property. She knows there is some type of a culvert to the lake. She does not know if that was
originally connected. When they had the retaining wall constructed it interrupted that pipe.
She is concerned about the integrity of their home because when water comes out of the pipe it is shunted
at their home. She noted they got a permit to construct the retaining wall. The City did not have any
problem with their plan. They did not know the pipe was there and they do not know if the City knew it
was there.
She asked if there could be a dyke on the easterly Wartman lot to mitigate some of the water that would
come from that area which is supposed to be absorbing the water. If it is not it would be coming into her
yard, flowing across her yard, and then into the lake. That would be unfiltered water.
She stated she agrees with what Mr. Wartman stated. It seems that properties contiguous to his lots drain
onto his lot. When they looked at the manhole it was in the northeast corner of the easterly new lot. It was
not far from Edgewood Road.
Ms. Scheurer asked the City and Mr. Wartman to reconsider the drainage plan. She stated because of the
amount of fill proposed for the new lots she assumes they could protect her property somewhat if
potentially all of the properties are going to drain across her yard.
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Commissioner Maddy asked Ms. Scheurer how long they have lived in their home. Ms. Scheurer
responded about 30 years. Maddy then asked how long she has seen a drainage problem. Ms. Scheurer
stated they have never had any issues. She explained their home has a basement. She remembered one
year the lake level was so high they ended up with a little water in their basement. Their home is about
4.5 above the lake level. A basement is probably not a good idea for a house that is fairly low to the lake.
She expressed concern about the structural integrity of her house and the possibility of the concrete
cracking because of an open drain pipe facing her house.
Maddy asked if water pools on Mr. Wartman’s property. Ms. Scheurer stated a few times she has seen
standing water. A few times she saw water collect behind Mr. Wartman’s uncle’s house if there was a lot
of spring thaw or a lot of rain. They never knew how the uncle drained the property. The water just
disappeared in a day or so and it did not come across their yard. She commented it looked like swamp
vegetation where water drains to on Mr. Wartman’s property but they never went back there to look at the
area.
Ms. Scheurer again expressed hope that Mr. Wartman would protect their property from unintended
consequences from raising the two lots where the two houses would be built. Building the houses will
result in there being a smaller area for water to drain into.
Engineer Hornby explained the City requires the developer to mitigate the amount of volume that would
be increased by the fill brought on to the site. That is what the developer has proposed. That is what the
revised plan Director Nielsen provided the Commission this evening shows. If there is a drain in place it
can still go there. The property owner to the south did not modify the pipe to the north. It sounds like the
Scheurers did when they had the retaining wall constructed. The pipe was cut off and it is now draining
on to their property. He does not know how long it has been exposed there.
Hornby then explained the developer has proposed to mitigate the existing volume of water that would be
held on the site in the new design and they have added storage to compensate for the impervious surface
which has a maximum amount of 25 percent. The City required an additional 25 percent of storage. Even
though the developer is going to build the lots up for the building pads and even if the water drains
towards Edgewood Road the water would flow down the common property line between the two new lots
and on to the back. Chair Davis stated the plan indicates there is a swale down the middle. Hornby
explained the swale extends from the low point, which would be the emergency overflow to the north if it
gets that high, and captures the water from the road and sends it to the back.
Hornby noted there were a number of very heavy rainfall events in 2014. Water came out of many areas
that it normally does not come out of all around the City mainly because of the terrain. That may be why
that was the only time the Scheurers saw water come out of the drain. He assumes it was in June 2014.
Mr. Wartman stated he thought Engineer Hornby addressed some of the things he was going to address.
He clarified there is no swamp on the 26985 property. There is a low natural area somewhat to the
southwest. There is pampas grass up front; it is not cattails. His father and uncle planted the pampas grass.
Unfortunately, that would be covered because that is where the driveway would go.
Mr. Wartman explained he understands that Ms. Scheurer and her husband have lived there for 30 years.
He knows where the storm drain comes out in their retaining wall and empties out onto their driveway. It
does exit to the lake to the east of their house. Before they cutout their driveway the pipe was buried
there. He used to maintain the previous owner’s yard when he was a teenager. He knew there was a low
spot down by the lake and there was always drainage. He also knew his uncle had a storm drain in his
yard. He thought that in the spring the Scheurers would likely find the drain pipe frozen; there would not
be excessive water in the spring time. There is some percolation that happens. He reiterated he and the
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developer are trying to be good neighbors by not changing the drainage pattern. What currently happens
is going to continue on. There will end up being two beautiful houses on the two new lots which require
fill being brought on to the lots.
Chair Davis closed the Public Testimony portion of the Public Hearing at 7:42 P.M.
Commissioner Bean asked what would happen if the drain was plugged up so it basically ended on the
26985 property. Engineer Hornby stated it would likely overflow the roadway at the newer house that was
built just east of Noble Road on the north side. Hornby explained he thought there is about three feet
difference between the inlet to the pipe and the roadway overflow point. Bean stated if the private clay
pipe were severed he asked what the water lift would have to be before it would flood across the street.
Hornby stated there would be just under four feet of storage. Bean asked how much rain would be
required to get four feet of lift. Hornby stated a hydraulic model would have to be run for that. Bean
stated he assumes it would take a lot. Hornby concurred. Hornby stated if the pipe were plugged it could
adversely affect the two new properties. He then stated if the developer wanted to cut the pipe off he
could do that. The developer’s engineer would have to provide a hydraulic model to show that it would
not adversely affect his properties or other properties. Chair Davis asked Mr. Wartman if he would want
to do that. Mr. Wartman reiterated the clay pipe has been in place for more than 80 years. He stated Ms.
Scheurer has lived there for about 30 years and the conditions are not going to change. He noted there has
not been a problem for all of those years and stated he does not want to do something that would affect
his properties or other properties.
Commissioner Maddy noted he thought the engineers have done a great job showing that there would not
be any change in the drainage pattern. Therefore, he does not think there is a reason to recommend denial
of the C.U.P. He expressed concern about the condition of the pipe in Ms. Scheurer’s yard if there were to
be a significant rain event. He recommended the Scheurers hire a professional to figure out a way to
reconnect the pipe or find a way to shield their property in the event there were two or four feet of water
on top of the drain on the Wartman property. He noted it is a private property issue.
Commissioner Riedel noted he agreed with Commissioner Maddy that the argument has been made that
the drainage pattern would not be changed and therefore there is no reason to recommend denial of the
C.U.P. He stated stormwater running into lakes is a negative because of the health of the lake. He thought
the number one priority is to reduce stormwater directly running into lakes. If a change could be made to
capture and filter the water before it flows into the lake that would be better for the health of the lake. For
this particular drainage pipe it depends if it is intended for unusual rainfall like that in 2014 or routine
rainfall.
Engineer Hornby clarified the existing clay pipe is for an overflow when the water gets up to a certain
level. He explained that after looking at the site and at aerial photos and considering the fact that there is
no indication of wetland on the site it appears that the water infiltrates in to a sand layer. It is very healthy
for a lake to have the water infiltrate. When the developer builds the two new houses he would have to
apply for an erosion control permit from the Minnehaha Creek Watershed District (MCWD). The MCWD
would review the drainage pattern as well.
Maddy moved, Riedel seconded, recommending approval of a conditional use permit for removal of
over 400 cubic yards of soil and depositing over 100 cubic yards of fill for Thomas Wartman for the
properties located at 27135 and 26985 Edgewood Road. Motion passed 4/0.
Director Nielsen noted Council will consider this item during its June 23 meeting.
Chair Davis closed the Public Hearing at 7:47 P.M.
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2. PUBLIC HEARING – APPEAL OF ADMINISTRATIVE DETERMINATION OF
NUMBER OF BOATS ALLOWED AT NONCONFORMING DOCK (continued from May
3, 2016)
Applicant: Radisson Road Easement Holders
Location: 5540 Shore Road (Lot 11)
Chair Davis opened the Public Hearing 7:47 P.M., noting the hearing was continued from May 3, 2016.
She stated during this Public Hearing the Planning Commission is going to continue its consideration of
an appeal of administrative determination of number of boats allowed at a nonconforming dock at 5540
Shore Road (Lot 11). She stated because this is a continuation the Commission will not take public
testimony unless someone has new information to present.
Chair Davis opened the Public Testimony portion of the Public Hearing at 7:48 P.M.
Paula Callies, 20465 Radisson Road, expressed concern about the letter from Shorewood Attorney Keane
(a copy of the letter was included in the meeting packet). She stated Keane’s letter references
correspondence submitted to the DNR (Minnesota Department of Natural Resources). That was not
included with the copy of the letter she received or in the meeting packet. There was no way to tell from
Keane’s letter what was being referred to and what was actually stated. Director Nielsen did send her that
correspondence on June 6, 2016. That correspondence was referring to shoreland regulations and that is a
different section of the City Code. That is different than the issue being considered by the Planning
Commission this evening.
She stated that many of the people interested in this situation have spent a lot of time preparing, gathering
and submitting materials to the City and ultimately to the Commissioners. She expressed disappointment
with the brevity of Attorney Keane’s memorandum. The letter basically recites what the DNR letter
states. The letter does not do any analysis of it and from her perspective it is incorrect in that regard.
She explained the issue before the Planning Commission is a legal issue. In a way it is not something the
Commission should be weighing in on with regard to what happened years ago. The matter went through
the Minnesota Court of Appeals in terms of determining the easement and the scope of that easement. The
matter was sent to the Minnesota Supreme Court which denied review. That means the Court of Appeals
decision stands.
She stated some of the easement owners are asking that the Planning Commission recommend to the City
Council that the four boats be allowed at Lot 11. There has not been a conclusion that the DNR has ever
approved Shorewood’s regulations regarding the docks and boats on Christmas Lake.
Ms. Callies thanked the Planning Commission for its time.
Chair Davis closed the Public Testimony portion of the Public Hearing at 7:51 P.M.
Commissioner Bean stated it was his recollection that the issue at the end of the May 3 hearing was about
jurisdiction. Albeit Attorney Keane’s letter was brief he understands it to say that Shorewood submitted
its shoreline and shoreland regulations to the DNR for its review and acceptance. He asked if it is the
City’s position that the DNR’s acceptance gives Shorewood the ordinance authority. Director Nielsen
responded yes.
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Director Nielsen noted he had spoken with Attorney Keane about this. He explained the City’s shoreland
regulations are just one section of the City Zoning Ordinance; the regulations are not a standalone
ordinance. There are definitions in the front of the Zoning Ordinance. The shoreland district itself is an
overlay district. There is a base zoning map and Lot 11 is zoned R-1C. There is a shoreland overlay for it.
The requirements for the shoreland district are superimposed over the R-1C district. If there is a conflict
between those two parts of the Ordinance the more restrictive applies. The uses are addressed in the
districts; in this case the R-1C. Every district has a list of allowable uses. There are permitted uses and
they do not require any special scrutiny. An example is a single-family home in a single-family zoning
district. Accessory uses (e.g.; a garage) are listed. Docks are accessory uses in the R-1C/S zoning district
by virtue of Code Section 1201.03 Subd. 14. It specifically states “docks as per regulated in Subd. 14”.
The DNR reviewed that whole ordinance and approved it initially in the mid-1980s and again in the
1990s when some of the ordinances were changed. The DNR saw what the City’s Code included in its
entirety. He noted that is the thread Keane’s opinion is based on.
Commissioner Bean stated based on that thread and by virtue of the DNR’s approval the Shorewood
Code prevails. The Shorewood Code adopted the language of the Lake Minnetonka Conservation District
(LMCD) in its ordinance. Director Nielsen concurred. Bean stated Shorewood adopted the LMCD’s code;
it is not asking the LMCD to weigh in on this issue. Shorewood adopted the code to save typing it into the
Shorewood Code. Nielsen concurred. Bean stated based on what he has heard Shorewood has established
a shoreline ordinance that defines the parameters with one of the parameters being one boat per 50 feet.
There is also a nonconforming use because there is no dwelling on Lot 11. Any change that increases the
use would expand the nonconformity of the dock usage. Based on that he does not think there is a choice
to allow more than two boats at the dock. Commissioner Riedel concurred.
Commissioner Riedel stated that two boats are permitted for the length of shoreline easement on the front
of Lot 11. The Zoning Code would allow for up to four boats if there was a dwelling on the Lot provided
that all four boats were owned by the residents living on the property. He noted from his vantage point it
is a nonconforming use of the dock and therefore the regulations should apply. He agreed there is no
choice but to limit the number of boats at the dock to two. Commissioner Maddy and Chair Davis
concurred.
Maddy moved, Davis seconded, recommending denial of the appeal of administrative determination
of number of boats allowed at a nonconforming dock at 5540 Shore Road (Lot 11). Motion passed
4/0.
Director Nielsen noted that Council will consider this item during its June 27 meeting.
Chair Davis continued the Public Hearing at 7:58 P.M.
3. PUBLIC HEARING – ZONING CODE TEXT AMENDMENT REGARDING
ALTERNATIVE ENERGY REGULATION (continued from May 3, 2016)
Chair Davis opened the Public Hearing 7:59 P.M., noting the hearing was continued from May 3, 2016.
She stated during this Public Hearing the Planning Commission is going to continue an amendment to the
Zoning Code regarding alternative energy regulation.
Director Nielsen noted the amendment to the Zoning Code is essentially what the Planning Commission
recommended approval of for the Minnetonka Country Club (MCC) planned unit development (PUD)
project. He explained there was discussion about PUDs having language that does not prohibit the use of
alternative energy. The proposed amendment deals primarily with solar energy. The City’s energy
consultant had indicated that wind energy would be an issue for the City but it should be considered on a
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residence by residence basis. The amendment stipulates that for any development there should not be a
protective covenant that says solar energy facilities would not be allowed.
The purpose of the proposed amendment is to come up with alternatives to traditional electrical and gas
utilities that power communities. There are several things the proposed Code amendment would allow
that are currently not allowed.
He noted the amendment includes provisions from the model provided by the energy consultant as well as
from ordnances from other municipalities.
He stated the amendment includes a list of nine standards for solar energy systems. He reviewed what the
standards are.
1. Height – The maximum height requirements for roof mounted systems are the same as the
applicable zoning district. An exception is made for ground-mounted solar energy systems which
shall not exceed 20 feet in height. Ordinarily accessory uses are limited to 15 feet in height.
2. Location – In residential zoning districts, ground-mounted solar energy systems are limited to the
rear yard. In non-residential zoning districts, ground-mounted solar energy systems may be
permitted in the front yard of any lot or the side yards on corner lots, subject to applicable
building setback requirements.
3. Setbacks – Ground-mounted solar energy systems, including any appurtenant equipment, shall be
set back a minimum of 20 feet from all property lines. Roof-mounted systems shall comply with
all building setbacks in the applicable zoning district and cannot not extend beyond the exterior
perimeter of the building on which the system is mounted.
4. Roof mounting – Roof-mounted solar collectors shall be flush mounted on pitched roofs.
Generally they will have a 4:12 pitch. Solar collectors may be bracket mounted on flat roofs.
5. Easements – Solar energy systems shall not encroach on public drainage and utility easements in
roadways or trails.
6. Screening – Solar energy systems shall be screened from view to the extent possible without
reducing their efficiency. Screening may include walls, fences or landscaping.
7. Maximum Area – In residential zoning districts, ground-mounted solar energy systems shall be
limited to a maximum area of 120 square feet. In other zoning districts, ground-mounted solar
energy systems shall be limited to a maximum area consistent with the accessory structure
limitations but no more than 25 percent of the rear yard, whichever is less.
8. Aesthetics – Reflection angles from collector surfaces shall be oriented away from neighboring
windows. Where necessary, screening may be required to address glare.
9. Feeder lines – The electrical collection system shall be placed underground within the interior of
each parcel.
He noted that solar easements were purposely not included in the amendment because for residential
properties it would become a choice between one property owner being able to have trees or not and
another property owner being able to have a solar system.
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He reviewed the safety elements in the amendment.
a. Safety Standards – Electrical
1. All utilities shall be installed underground.
2. An exterior utility disconnect switch shall be installed at the electric meter serving the
property.
3. Solar energy systems shall be grounded to protect against natural lightning strikes in
conformance with the national electrical code as adopted by the City.
4. No solar energy system shall be interconnected with a local electrical utility company until
the utility company has reviewed and commented upon it. The interconnection of the solar
energy system with the utility company shall adhere to the national electrical code as adopted
by the City.
b. Certification – The solar energy system shall be certified by Underwriters Laboratories, Inc., and
comply with the requirements of the International Building Code.
c. Abandonment – Any solar energy system which is inoperable for 12 successive months shall be
deemed to be abandoned and shall be deemed a public nuisance. The owner shall remove the
abandoned system at their expense after obtaining a demolition permit.
He noted that building-integrated solar energy systems shall require a building permit prior to installation.
Ground-mounted solar energy systems shall require a zoning permit, pursuant to Section 1201.07 of this
Code prior to installation.
He stated space has been reserved in ordinance amendment for future use for wind energy systems and
ground source heat pump systems.
In response to a question from Chair Davis, Director Nielsen explained if a solar system is going to be
interconnected to a household electrical system it needs to be approved by a power company.
Commissioner Maddy stated that part of the interconnection agreement on solar generators requires a user
to go through Xcel Energy. It is a long process. Xcel goes through all of the UL listings. Sometimes Xcel
requires a disconnect on the side of the house. If the solar generator does not find a certain UL listing the
generator stops generating power. The generator could not be used during a power outage. Xcel would
buy the power back. Stopping the generation of power is for the safety of the line people.
Council Liaison Sundberg stated utility companies have a lot of incentive now to encourage solar use.
They have state mandates they need to reach for renewable energy use among their clients. They are very
accustomed to working with small to large solar installations.
Chair Davis asked if there are any residents in Shorewood using solar energy. Council Liaison Sundberg
noted Mayor Zerby is. Director Nielsen stated he is aware of some small panels. Commissioner Maddy
stated there are a couple of ground-mounts on a property in a cul-de-sac near Crescent Beach and noted
they would be nonconforming if this ordinance amendment is approved.
Council Liaison Sundberg stated she thought there is a lot more interest in solar energy now than there
had been in the past. She guessed that the economics for Mayor Zerby’s system are not very attractive.
She stated in Shorewood there are limitations because the City is densely populated and there are a lot of
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trees which are valued. She commented that she does not think any solar advocates would encourage
cutting down trees so solar panels could be put up. She stated from her vantage point she does not
encourage the City take on wind energy. Wind energy is technically viable but it is very controversial in a
densely populated area at this time.
Commissioner Bean asked if those residents who have solar energy systems that would not comply with
the proposed ordinance amendment would be grandfathered in and allowed as an exception. Director
Nielsen stated they would have to be and clarified if the systems were noncompliant with safety standards
they would have to be addressed. He noted the Ordinance contains language about nonconformity and
anything that predates the approval of the amendment would be grandfathered in.
Bean then stated if, for example, he had a solar panel and the canopy of his neighbor’s oak tree
encroaches into his airspace he asked if he would be allowed to trim that tree. Director Nielsen stated he
would be allowed to do that and he has been told that if a tree extends over a property line the canopy can
be cut off but a person has to be very certain about where the property line is. He noted that he is not an
attorney. Commissioner Maddy stated in his former career he read a legal opinion that stated a person
cannot intentionally kill a tree. Chair Davis, as a master gardener, stated gardeners used to think that once
two-thirds of the canopy is removed the tree should be taken down.
Bean went on to state he has concern that there would be some disgruntled neighbors taking out
vengeance against each other because one property owner owns the air space a neighbor’s tree is
occupying. Chair Davis concurred. Bean stated he would like there to be something saying that existing
trees are entitled to their own airspace. Director Nielsen stated that would be a “can of worms”.
Director Nielsen noted that people frequently underestimate how big the tree will grow. They may plant it
five feet from the property line and eventually it grows to the point that its canopy is 20 feet over the
property line.
Chair Davis stated in Shorewood Oaks the houses are very close to the trees. Commissioner Bean stated
there is a similar situation in the City of Greenwood along St. Albans Bay Road. Davis stated that
hopefully people who embrace solar energy are also tree huggers.
Commissioner Maddy asked if the Planning Commission is supposed to move the ordinance amendment
forward to Council for its consideration. Director Nielsen stated that is up to the Commission. Nielsen
explained the amendment in front of the Commission has been published in the City’s official newspaper.
Seeing no one present to comment on the case, Chair Davis opened and closed the Public Testimony
portion of the Public Hearing at 8:20 P.M.
Commissioner Riedel stated he thought the solar energy systems aesthetics provision was quite
subjective. The reflection angles can be adjusted for a ground-mounted system. He questioned how that
would be done for a roof-mounted system. He thought it should be less subjective but was unsure how to
make it so. Director Nielsen stated screening would be irrelevant if it was roof-mounted. Commissioner
Bean suggested the provision should maybe only apply to ground-mounted systems. Nielsen stated he
thought the roof-mounted systems are angled toward the sky. Commissioner Maddy stated he supports
removing that for a roof-mounted system.
There was consensus to change the aesthetics standard to make the reflection angles apply only to ground-
mounted systems.
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Commissioner Maddy stated the definition for a flush-mounted solar energy system includes “The pitch
of the solar collector may exceed the pitch of the roof up to 5% but shall not be higher than 10 inches
above the pitch.” He asked where the 10 inches above the pitched roof restriction came from. Director
Nielsen stated he thought it was intended to be more of a limitation to ensure they are not, for example,
four feet above the roof. Chair Davis commented there is a house that has been under construction for a
very long time that has a roof pitch so steep she does not think solar panels could be put on it. Nielsen
stated a roof-mounted system would not work in that instance.
Maddy then stated the maximum area standard for ground mounted systems is 120 square feet. He asked
if other cities have the same standard. Director Nielsen stated that size is consistent with the size of a
normal shed. Chair Davis stated a 10 x 12 foot panel is a big panel. Maddy noted he thought the
maximum size is reasonable.
Maddy asked if it would be prudent to restrict wind systems before someone wants to put one up. Director
Nielsen stated that is typically what has been done in the ordinances he has looked at. They may make
some exceptions for vertical turbines. Maddy reiterated his question. Nielsen suggested addressing wind
systems separately. Council Liaison Sundberg concurred and noted that technology is rapidly changing.
Commissioner Bean asked if there is anything in the ordinance amendment or Ordinance in general that
would prohibit wind systems today. Nielsen noted the height requirements would and explained the City’s
energy consultant had indicated that it would be difficult to get the systems up high enough in the City.
Chair Davis stated someone may want a small system as a novelty. Sundberg stated the wind map for the
area the consultant provided showed there was little area, other than the middle of the lake, where wind
systems would work.
Maddy moved, Davis seconded, recommending approval of the ordinance amendment regarding
alternative energy systems subject to changing in aesthetics “Reflections angles from collector
surfaces…” to “Reflections angles from ground-mounted collector surfaces…” and in screening
changing “Solar energy systems shall be screened …” to “Ground-mounted solar energy systems
shall be screened …”. Motion passed 4/0.
Commissioner Maddy noted he appreciated the work that was done on this. Director Nielsen noted
Council had indicated that this was a high priority. Council Liaison Sundberg thanked people for getting
it done and the Planning Commission for supporting it. Nielsen commented that it is finally done albeit it
took a long time to do so.
Council Liaison Sundberg stated Shorewood is already starting to be recognized as an environmental
leader. She noted the results of the last resident survey indicated that 79 percent of the respondents
supported clean energy.
Commissioner Riedel brought up the idea of municipal tax rebates for residents who install alternative
energy systems. Director Nielsen noted there are incentives from other agencies. Commissioner Bean
asked if geothermal energy is an option. Nielsen responded yes and noted it is quite expensive. He stated
the other alternative energy types will be addressed in the future. Nielsen explained someone has
geothermal in a pond and recycles the water. Wells can also be used. Chair Davis noted that when the
new visitor center was built at the Minnesota Landscape Arboretum a geothermal system was put in.
Chair Davis closed the Public Hearing at 8:33 P.M.
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4. PUBLIC HEARING – REZONE PROPERTY FROM R-2A, SINGLE AND TWO-
FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO C-1, GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
Applicant: John Benjamin
Location: 24250 Smithtown Road
This item was rescheduled to the July 2016 meeting.
5. MINNETONKA COUNTRY CLUB FINAL PLAN – REVIEW DEVELOPMENT
AGREEMENT
Director Nielsen stated the Development Agreement for Mattamy Homes’ Minnetonka Country Club
(MCC) planned unit development (PUD) final plan was given to the Planning Commission for
informational purposes per the Commission’s request. He noted the Agreement has not been approved by
Council yet. Council will consider it during its June 13 meeting. The Agreement lays out all of the rules
for the development of the MCC property.
He explained the base district for the PUD project is the R-1C. The Council meeting packet item for the
final plan and final plat will include a setback map for the project showing the setbacks for each lot.
Chair Davis asked if Mattamy is still trying to convey Outlots I, J, K and L. Director Nielsen responded
he thought those get conveyed to the owners of the adjoining properties on the southeast corner of the
site.
Chair Davis explained that Item 3.B states “Maintenance and necessary replacement of boulevard trees
within the PUD shall be the responsibility of the HOA.” She thought the trees were going to be kept out of
the boulevards. Director Nielsen clarified the City initially wanted the trees to be planted in the yards so
the City would not be responsible for them. Mattamy wanted the boulevard affect. The solution to that is
for the MCC Homeowners Association to be responsible for them. He noted the landscape plan reflects a
variety of trees.
Director Nielsen noted the total amount of park dedication fees received from this project combined with
what the Park Fund has in it should come close to paying for the improvements to Badger Park.
6. DISCUSS SCHEDULING A SPECIAL MEETING ON JUNE 21, 2016, REGARDING
OPPIDAN INVESTMENT COMPANY TAX INCREMENT FINANCING
Director Nielsen explained that Oppidan Investment Company needs Tax Increment Financing (TIF) to
help fund its Shorewood Senior Living project in Shorewood. Oppidan found out there are extremely
poor soils on the site. The TIF would help pay for the cost of soil remediation. When Oppidan first
started discussion of this project with representatives from Shorewood and the City of Excelsior Oppidan
was going to be able to connect to the Excelsior water system. Excelsior was going to extend its
watermain. Excelsior later decided that its water system did not have the capacity to serve to the Oppidan
project. Therefore, the Shorewood watermain will be extended to the site. The TIF will pay for part of the
cost to extend Shorewood watermain to the site, Oppidan will pay part of the cost and part of the cost will
be funded out of the Water Fund. The extension will allow Shorewood residents currently served by the
Excelsior system to then be served by the Shorewood system. The extension to the other side of Highway
7 will eventually allow for the extension of watermain to some properties on that side of Highway 7.
He noted the TIF plan has to be reviewed by the Planning Commission and it needs to make a
recommendation on the plan. To maintain the timeline of the TIF there needs to be a special Commission
meeting on July 21.
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He stated there maybe another item on that special meeting agenda. The State legislature has discussed a
law that would ultimately allow people to bring in temporary residents as caretakers. It would basically
allow people to bring a small trailer to the site and live in it. There is a provision that would allow cities to
opt out of that. He noted that he thought the law is a bad idea. He stated the City has tried to
accommodate that with accessory apartments.
He then stated he thought the special meeting should be short.
7. DISCUSS JULY MEETING DATE
Director Nielsen stated that for the last few years the Planning Commission has had a policy to not hold
its regular meeting on the first Tuesday of the month if that Tuesday comes after a holiday. Therefore, he
suggested the July meeting be held on July 19. Doing that would not slow down processing any
applications. He noted the items considered that evening would considered by Council during its July 25
meeting.
The property rezoning for John Benjamin may be on the agenda for that meeting. Peter Lehman has asked
for a specific vote on rezoning his property near Christmas Lake so that would be on that agenda. There is
a request for a 6-foot-high fence for a property next to Highway 7. To place it in within the required
setback to the Highway requires a conditional use permit. There will be a variance request for a shed.
Commissioner Maddy asked when food trucks would be discussed. Director Nielsen stated not for a
while.
Director Nielsen noted that from his perspective short-term rental is a higher priority for discussion
because there are two properties where that is a problem with one of them being a significant problem.
The City’s rental housing code needs to be strengthened. He stated the South Lake Minnetonka Police
Department (SLMPD) has been to the very problematic site on a couple of occasions because of noise
complaints. The SLMPD has offered to report on the activity at the property such as the number of cars.
He expressed his appreciation to the SLMPD with regard to that matter. He thought this issue would be
on the August meeting agenda.
Chair Davis stated the City of Duluth addressed that by requiring a rental to be a minimum of seven days.
It also required a $350 license and inspection. They sold their house there instead of dealing with that.
She noted that on the VRBO (vacation rental by owner) website she found three properties in the City of
Excelsior and one in the City of Tonka Bay.
Director Nielsen noted the meeting agenda for the July 19 meeting should be fairly full.
8. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR
There were no matters from the floor presented this evening.
9. OLD BUSINESS / NEW BUSINESS
None.
10. DRAFT NEXT MEETING AGENDA
This was discussed under Item 6 on the agenda.
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11. REPORTS
• Liaison to Council
Director Nielsen reported on the May 31, 2015, work session during which a presentation was made about
a person’s grand vision for the area including Badger Park, City Hall, the Southshore Center and
commercial strip on the southeast corner of the Smithtown Crossing Development Area (as detailed in the
minutes for that meeting).
There was ensuing discussion about the vision.
• SLUC
Director Nielsen stated he still intends to purchase a DVD recording of the April 27, 2018, Sensible Land
Use Coalition session which was about park dedication fees.
• Other
Chair Davis suggested the Planning Commission discusses the liaisons to Council for July through
December.
Council Liaisons were selected as follows:
July 2016 Commissioner Riedel
August 2016 Chair Davis
September 2016 Commissioner Johnson
October 2016 Commissioner Maddy
November 2016 Commissioner Bean
December 2016 Commissioner Riedel
12. ADJOURNMENT
Davis moved, Riedel seconded, adjourning the Planning Commission Meeting of June 7, 2016, at
9:10 P.M. Motion passed 4/0.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Christine Freeman, Recorder