PC-04-04-17
CITY OF SHOREWOOD COUNCIL CHAMBERS
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING 5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD
TUESDAY, APRIL 4, 2017 7:00 P.M.
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
Chair Maddy called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M.
ROLL CALL
Present: Chair Maddy; Commissioners Maddy, Bean, Riedel and Sylvester; Planning Director
Nielsen; and, Council Liaison Sundberg
Absent: None
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Davis moved, Riedel seconded, approving the agenda for April 4, 2017, as presented. Motion passed
5/0.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
March 7, 2017
Bean moved, Davis seconded, approving the Planning Commission Meeting Minutes of March 7,
2017, as presented. Motion passed 5/0.
1. PUBLIC HEARING – CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR COFFEE SHOP WITH
DRIVE-THRU SERVICE AND OUTDOOR SEATING (continued from March 7, 2017)
Applicant: Dave Watson
Location: 19245 and 19285 State Highway 7
Chair Maddy opened the Public Hearing at 7:01 P.M. noting the procedures used in a Public Hearing. He
also noted the Hearing was continued from March 7, 2017. He explained the Planning Commission is
comprised of residents of the City of Shorewood who are serving as volunteers on the Commission. The
Commissioners are appointed by the City Council. The Commission’s role is to help the City Council in
determining zoning and planning issues. One of the Commission’s responsibilities is to hold public
hearings and to help develop the factual record for an application and to make a non-binding
recommendation to the City Council. The recommendation is advisory only. He stated this evening the
Planning Commission is going to consider a conditional use permit (C.U.P.) for a coffee shop with drive-
thru service and outdoor seating for the properties located at 19245 and 19285 State Highway 7; also,
known as the Starbucks proposal.
Director Nielsen apologized for sending out the report for this item late. The applicant submitted the
material later than staff would have liked. The staff report was sent out earlier that morning.
He explained the staff report talked about a number of things discussed during the March 7, 2017, public
hearing. He reviewed the items discussed in the report.
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1. During the March 7 Public Hearing the Planning Commission asked the applicant to have a traffic
study done. It was to take into account the intersection, the site, and what affect the proposed use
would have on the traffic issues in the area. The applicant submitted the results of the study to the
City the previous week, but not in time for the City’s consultant to review it and comment on it.
Primarily because of that staff is recommending the Public Hearing again be continued to the next
Planning Commission meeting which is scheduled for May 2, 2017. The report is about 100
pages long and he did send it to the Commissioners under separate cover. The report contains an
executive summary which summarizes most of the highly technical report. The City will have its
Engineer review and comment on the report.
2. A more detailed landscape plan was submitted. Most of what is proposed is decorative
landscaping. There is no need to screen the site from Highway 7 or the intersection. The original
staff report recommended putting in some landscaping on the easterly entrance to / exit from the
site to provide screening of the parking lot from residents on that side of the street. That is not
shown on the new plan. Staff continues to believe that something should be done to create a
screen between the parking and those residents. A row of maple trees is proposed along the front
of the site. There is a backdrop of Black Hills Spruce and various decorative landscaping around
the building.
3. Site lighting still has not been addressed. It was mentioned during the March 7 Hearing.
4. A grading, drainage and erosion control plan has been submitted. It includes a small infiltration
pond at the easterly entrance to the site, which may be why no landscaping has been provided
there. The City Engineer has noted that no drainage calculations have been provided. Whether or
not additional ponding would be needed on the site would be dependent on whether or not the
applicant intends to add additional hardcover to what already exists. The applicant had told him
that his engineers have done those calculations and that the amount of hardcover would be less
than what is currently there. Therefore, no additional ponding would be needed. Staff needs to
review those calculations. The plans are subject to review and approval by the City Engineer.
He reiterated that staff recommends this be continued to the May 2 Planning Commission meeting. He
noted that as follow-up to continuing the application, the applicant was sent a letter advising him that the
application would take more than 60 days and up to 120 days to process. If the City does not take action
within 120 days it would automatically be approved if the applicant was not notified of the 120 days.
Chair Maddy asked if the infiltration pond site is part of the drainage expansion that could possibly be
needed. If the amount of hardcover is not increased could that be replaced with landscaping? Director
Nielsen clarified he did not know the answer to that question.
Director Nielsen explained that in the past the City has always asked for landscape berms for screening.
Because of the desire to keep stormwater on the site to control drainage developers have gone to creating
depressions which the water would flow into and then into the ground where soils allow that. He does not
know if that is necessary for what is being proposed. It is possible things could be modified so a little of
both infiltration and landscaping could be done. The worst case there could end up being a section of
fence along there to screen the cars.
Commissioner Davis stated that area is not very deep and that she thought it could be nicely landscaped
easily.
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Chair Maddy asked if a copy of the traffic study can be found on the City’s website. Director Nielsen
stated the ability to link to the study remotely is down at this time; it has been that way since March 31.
The technology consultants are trying to resolve the problem.
Director Nielsen stated if anyone wants a copy of the traffic study or any other part of the staff report he
asked them to provide the City with their email address on the sign in sheet.
Commissioner Riedel stated the study makes the assumption that there would not be an increase in traffic
and he questioned that. He did not find there to be any justification for that assumption. Commissioner
Davis stated it was also refuted by Starbucks during the March 7 Hearing. Riedel stated the statement that
caught his attention was “The overall amount of traffic and the congestion that occurs because of the
school is not likely to increase over time.” He thought that statement is questionable.
Director Nielsen stated he thought the applicant may believe that they would be drawing from traffic
already in the area; that would be somewhat logical. He then stated from his perspective if a driver
traveling on Highway 7 decided they would stop at the coffee shop the next morning he does not think
they would ever do that again because of the volume of traffic.
Commissioner Sylvester asked if the data included in the Study report was aligned with data from the
Minnesota Department of Transportation (MnDOT).
Director Nielsen stated one of the recommendations included in the executive summary was to create
another northbound lane at the intersection. Currently there are north, left and right turn lanes. MnDOT
has considered doing that before this proposed project came before the City.
Commissioner Bean clarified that currently at that intersection there is a dedicated left turn lane and there
is a center-right lane; a driver could go northbound on Vine Hill Road or they could turn right and go
eastbound on Highway 7.
Bean stated there is only about a three-car queue space in the right turning space. Traffic is already
backed up along the curve and past the Public Storage facility long before there is a chance to turn right.
Bean noted that he has a number of questions about the study. He asked if there was anyone who could
answer his technical questions. Director Nielsen encouraged Bean to ask his questions so the traffic
engineer could address them.
Bean stated the City has no control over the right-turn lane. Nielsen confirmed that and noted the City
cooperates and coordinates with MnDOT. He clarified it is MnDOT’s right-of-way (ROW). He
commented he was not sure why the City would object to what MnDOT is proposing.
Chair Maddy asked Commissioner Bean if he was asking if approval of this application could be
contingent on MnDOT adding a lane. Bean stated possibly contingent on reconfiguring the curve.
Director Nielsen stated the City is aware that MnDOT wants to do something and commented that usually
it comes down to MnDOT being willing to do what a city wants provided that the city pays for it.
Commissioner Bean stated the study report indicates that area of Highway 7 has a posted speed of 50
miles-per-hour (mph). That posted speed has been increased to 55 mph.
Bean then stated the report indicates there are 24-hour videos of the intersection. He asked how many
cycles there are of them and how many of them were actually viewed. Commissioner Davis asked what
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days the recordings were done on. Director Nielsen stated staff will get that information. Someone from
the audience stated the intersection was video recorded on a Monday and a Tuesday and not during spring
break.
Bean went on to state the report refers to Vine Hill Road E and Vine Hill Road W yet Vine Hill Road
does not run east and west. Someone in the audience clarified that is the Vine Hill intersection and
encouraged people to think of them as west of the site and east of the site.
Bean noted that he will send his questions to staff and copy the other members of the Commission.
Director Nielsen asked that they be sent to him and he will forward them on to the rest of the
Commission.
Commissioner Riedel stated there is a brief section in the report on non-site traffic forecasting. It pertains
to any increase in traffic not related to the Starbucks facility; the assumption was there would not be any.
He questioned that assumption. He would like an explanation for that analysis. He has read that traffic at
the Minnetonka High School is increasing. Director Nielsen stated it could be based on the size of the
School parking lot. However, there are a lot of parents of open enrollment students who drive the students
to school. That volume could potentially increase.
Commissioner Sylvester stated the Study report states the land-use is expected to produce approximately
one-half the morning trips when compared to the alternative development which would be a coffee shop
and fast food combination. She asked if that means that if the drive-thru is not approved there is an
alternate plan.
Dave Watson, the applicant with Watson Vinehill, LLC, stated the probable alternative would be to
develop a non-drive-thru coffee shop along with some form of drive-thru fast food or a fast casual
restaurant.
In response to a comment from Commissioner Sylvester, Mr. Watson stated if the drive-thru portion of
the proposal was not approved he would not just have a small coffee shop built.
Chair Maddy stated if the applicant did not have a drive-up window he asked if a C.U.P. would not be
required. Director Nielsen explained that for this application the drive-up window is what required the
Public Hearing. If it was just a permitted use in that C -1, General Commercial district it would still have
to go through a site plan review.
Chair Maddy re-opened the Public Testimony portion of the Public Hearing at 7:24 P.M.
Rose DeSanto, 5111 Valley View Road, Minnetonka, stated it would take 20 years before newly planted
maple and spruce trees look half way decent. They are slow growing trees, particularly spruce. There will
also be a great deal of salt spread along the roadways in the winter and she does not think the spruce trees
will tolerate the salt.
Director Nielsen explained the spruce trees are a backdrop to the building; they are not in front by the
road. If spruce trees are taken care of correctly they can grow about one foot a year. The minimum size
the applicant is supposed to plant is about six feet. He reiterated that for the most part it is decorative
landscaping and not required screening. Near Vine Hill Road those trees should be an effective screen.
Six-foot trees start to block out cars effectively.
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Ms. DeSanto stated six foot spruce trees would block very much. She then stated maple trees won’t have
leaves very long. Director Nielsen stated maple trees do not screen anything, noting that is not the intent
of the maple trees.
Paul Stelmacher, 5210 Shady Lane, Shorewood, stated that MnDOT has already graded that intersection
as “F”. He questioned the value of entertaining another traffic study done by a consultant who could be
somewhat biased in favor of the firm that hired him. He also questioned why something would be added
that would exacerbate the current situation and not make it safer. Until that intersection is improved he
cautioned against doing anything that would make the traffic at the intersection worse.
Susan Hambor, 5146 Valley View Road, Minnetonka, noted her property is located right across Vine Hill
Road south. They also own the property located at 5147 Valley View Road and the log house at the
corner of Delton Avenue and Valley View Road. She thought it was senseless that people were
considering having a coffee shop there with a drive-thru. She noted there are two times during the day
when they cannot get off of Valley View Road. They are at a dead stop at those times. She had to always
leave for work one hour early so she could get out of her neighborhood. She anticipates that same thing
would happen for the proposed drive-thru. She stated they have a hard time renting their rental units to
anyone who has children because of existing traffic to and from the High School. She noted the traffic at
the High School did increase because the size of the parking lot was increased last summer and more
permits were given outs. People coming from the School “scream” through her neighborhood especially
during the afternoon on a beautiful day. The residents in her neighborhood have wanted their road
blocked off. She anticipates that if the proposed project moves forward drivers will be stuck in the
parking lot of the site. She agreed that people would not go to the drive-thru more than once because of
traffic.
Thomas Millen, 5117 Vine Hill Road, Minnetonka, stated his property is located directly across from the
proposed project site and therefore would be greatly impacted. He asked why the application is being
considered further because it has already been recognized that traffic in that area is a significant problem.
He also questioned the need for a traffic study because it has already proved to be an issue. He suggested
locating the proposed drive-thru coffee shop a quarter of a mile to the east where there is an existing
shopping center. He thought it was counter intuitive to put it in the proposed location. His children are not
allowed to play in their front yard for safety reasons. He noted that drivers frequently use his driveway as
a turnaround. He stated that there would still be a traffic issue even if there was not a drive-thru coffee
shop.
Chair Maddy stated the reason for having another traffic study done is primarily because of the
Fourteenth Amendment which requires that all property owners have to be treated the same. The Planning
Commission cannot prejudge the application until it goes through the public hearing process even though
there is a busy intersection in the area.
Chair Maddy closed the Public Testimony portion of the Public Hearing at 7:32 P.M.
Riedel moved, Bean seconded, continuing the Public Hearing for a conditional use permit for a
coffee shop with drive-thru service and outdoor seating for the properties located at 19245 and
19285 State Highway 7 to the Planning Commission’s May 2, 2017, Planning Commission meeting.
Motion passed 5/0.
Chair Maddy continued the Public Hearing at 7:33 P.M.
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2. PUBLIC HEARING – CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR ACCESSORY SPACE OVER
1200 SQUARE FEET
Applicant: Joel and Lori Schuenke
Location: 4485 Enchanted Point
Chair Maddy opened the Public Hearing at 7:34 P.M., noting the process will be the same as for the
previous item. He stated this evening the Planning Commission is going to consider a conditional use
permit (C.U.P.) for accessory space over 1200 square feet for Joel and Lori Schuenke, 4485 Enchanted
Point.
Director Nielsen explained that Joel and Lori Schuenke own the property located at 4485 Enchanted
Point. They propose to demolish the existing home on the property and build a new home with both
attached and detached garages. The floor area of the two garages exceeds 1200 square feet of floor area,
requiring a C.U.P. The property is zoned R-1C/S, Single-Family Residential Shoreland and contains
approximately 80,841 square feet of area.
The proposed home will contain 5295 square feet of floor area between two floors. The attached garage
will contain 983 square feet and the detached garage will have 991 square feet for a total of 1974 square
feet of accessory space.
With regard to the analysis of the case, he explained Section 1201.03 Subd.2.d.(4) of the Shorewood
Zoning Code contains four specific criteria for granting this type of C.U.P. He reviewed how the
applicants’ proposal complies with the Code:
a. The total area of accessory space (1974 square feet) does not exceed the total floor area above
grade of the principle structure (5295 square feet).
b. The total area of accessory space does not exceed ten percent of the minimum lot area for the R-
1C/S zoning district (.10 x. 20,000 square feet = 2000 square feet).
c. The proposed home complies with the setback requirements for the R-1C/S zoning district. The
proposed detached garage, however, is 12.7 feet from the easterly side of the lot. In order to
maintain a total side yard setback of 30 feet with no one side less than 10 feet, the detached
garage must be moved at least 5.8 feet to the west. Proposed impervious surface would be 12.6
percent, about one half of the 25 percent allowed. Given the size of the property and the amount
of existing vegetation on the site, drainage and landscaping are not considered to be issues in this
request. The applicants’ tree preservation and reforestation plan requires 15 replacement trees.
d. The materials and design of the new garage would be consistent with the character of the existing
house and garage.
Nielsen noted that based upon the analysis of the case staff recommends granting the C.U.P. as proposed.
Director Nielsen explained that for corner lots, which the subject property is, the Ordinance states that the
narrowest width on a public street is the front of the lot. For this property the lake side is the rear of the
property.
There was ensuing discussion about side yard setbacks.
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Seeing no one present to comment on the case, Chair Maddy opened and closed the Public Testimony
portion of the Public Hearing at 7:44 P.M.
Riedel moved, Davis seconded, recommending approval of a conditional use permit for accessory
space over 1200 square feet for Joel and Lori Schuenke, 4485 Enchanted Point, subject to moving
the detached garage at least 5.8 feet to the west. Motion passed 5/0.
Director Nielsen noted Council will consider this item during its April 24 meeting.
Chair Maddy closed the Public Hearing at 7:46 P.M.
3. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR
There were no matters from the floor presented this evening.
4. OLD BUSINESS / NEW BUSINESS
Update Schedule for Liaison to Council
Council Liaisons were selected as follows:
April 2017 Commissioner Bean
May 2017 Commissioner Sylvester
June 2017 Commissioner Davis
July 2017 Chair Maddy
August 2017 Commissioner Bean
September 2017 Commissioner Riedel
5. DRAFT NEXT MEETING AGENDA
Director Nielsen stated there is the continuation of the Public Hearing for the conditional use permit for a
coffee shop with drive-thru service and outdoor seating for the properties located at 19245 and 19285
State Highway 7 slated for the May 2, 2017, Planning Commission meeting. There are also a setback
variance request, a redo of a minor subdivision, a conditional use permit for accessory space over 1200
square feet, and a minor subdivision slated for that meeting.
6. REPORTS
• Liaison to Council
Council Liaison Sundberg stated the local Partners in Energy Program with Xcel Energy is having its first
meeting tomorrow. The meeting is scheduled to be four hours long. She noted the new City Clerk starts
on April 10; she has a great deal of experience. She also noted Council will interview a candidate for the
Planning Director position on April 10.
• SLUC
Commissioner Davis noted the next Sensible Lane Use Coalition (SLUC) session is about Super Bowl
LII.
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Director Nielsen stated when the short-term housing rental ordinance was approved there was some
discussion about possibly making exceptions for the Super Bowl.
Commissioner Davis stated she would like to attend that session.
In response to a question from Commissioner Sylvester, Director Nielsen explained what SLUC’s
purpose is and who participates at sessions.
Commissioner Sylvester stated she would also like to attend.
• Other
7. ADJOURNMENT
Davis moved, Riedel seconded, adjourning the Planning Commission Meeting of April 4, 2017, at
7:55 P.M. Motion passed 5/0.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Christine Freeman, Recorder