06-04-19 Planning Commission MinutesCITY OF SHOREWOOD
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
TUESDAY, JUNE 4, 2019
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
Chair Maddy called the meeting to order at 7:03 P.M.
ROLL CALL
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD
7:00 P.M.
Present: Chair Maddy; Commissioners Gorham, Riedel and Gault (arrived at 7:12 p.m.);
Planning Director Darling; and, Council Liaison Labadie
Absent: Commissioner Eggenberger
1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Gorham moved, Riedel seconded, approving the agenda for June 4, 2019, as presented.
Motion passed 3/0.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
May 21, 2019
Gorham moved, Maddy seconded, approving the Planning Commission Meeting Minutes
of May 21, 2019, as presented. Motion passed 2/0/1 (Riedel abstained).
3. PUBLIC HEARINGS
Chair Maddy explained the Planning Commission is comprised of residents of the City of
Shorewood who are serving as volunteers on the Commission. The Commissioners are
appointed by the City Council. The Commission's role is to help the City Council in determining
zoning and planning issues. One of the Commission's responsibilities is to hold public hearings
and to help develop the factual record for an application and to make a non - binding
recommendation to the City Council. The recommendation is advisory only.
A. CUP FOR ACCESSORY SPACE OVER 1,200 SQUARE FEET
Applicant: Mike Nicklaus
Location: 27850 Woodside Road
Planning Director Darling explained that the applicants propose to remove the existing home
and construct a new home with two attached garages. She noted that this plan would require a
CUP to allow 1,900 square feet of combined area of both accessory buildings because only
1,200 square feet is allowed without a CUP. She stated that the property is tree covered and
will be subject to tree preservation requirements. She stated that the square footage would be
split between the two garage spaces on either side of the home. She stated that the south
facing garage will be oriented towards the street and the north facing garage will be visible from
the cul -de -sac. She noted that the applicant will also have to submit drainage calculations along
with their building permit application. She stated that staff is recommending approval with the
conditions as listed in the staff report.
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Commissioner Riedel stated that in the conditions it mentioned that the front setback
requirements were not met, but that revised plans were expected that would meet those setback
requirements.
Planning Director Darling stated that the applicant will be submitting revised plans and noted
that she believes that the setback issue will be able to be accommodated because they are only
eight- tenths of a foot off of what they need to be.
Commissioner Riedel stated that there was also a back up generator and a free - standing light
fixture mentioned.
Planning Director Darling stated that the applicant needs to provide more information on those
items to the City.
Commissioner Riedel asked about staff's recommendation that the driveway be no greater than
25 feet in width.
Planning Director Darling stated that the upper driveway is wider than the current ordinance will
allow, so this is the time to address that discrepancy and bring it into compliance.
Commissioner Gault arrived at the meeting.
Chair Maddy asked if the City had limitations on how many driveways a parcel can have.
Planning Director Darling explained that properties are limited to one driveway for each 120 feet
of frontage. She noted that this property has about 500 feet of frontage, so they qualify for a
second driveway.
Chair Maddy asked Planning Director Darling to point out the front and rear lot lines.
Planning Director Darling explained the location of the property lines.
Commissioner Gorham stated that one of the plans shows an Option B and asked about the
elevations in relation to the floor plans. He asked if the corridor was enclosed.
Planning Director Darling stated that the corridor connects the exercise area on the lower level
with the bedroom that is above the garage.
Commissioner Gorham stated that he would like to see the side elevation.
Planning Director Darling noted the information in the packet that shows the elevation
information.
Mike Sharratt, 5590 Woodside Lane, stated that he is the architect for this project. He stated
that the new home is proposed to be almost on the identical footprint of the existing home, but
noted it is peculiar because there are three sides of the home that have a front yard setback of
50 feet. He noted that this family needs more than a two -car garage and explained the
reasoning behind keeping the scale of a garage small that is facing Woodside Road with the
larger garage space at the bottom near the cul -de -sac. He stated that the doesn't think most
people will even be aware that there are four garage stall spaces on this property.
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Commissioner Gault asked about the freestanding light fixtures and their impact on the
neighboring properties.
Mr. Sharratt stated that he did not have the lighting plan but, if he has anything to do with the
design, people will not be able to see the filament of the bulb, just the effect of the light.
Mike Nicklaus, 27850 Woodside Road, stated that he agrees with Mr. Sharratt that the light
fixture will be shielded and noted that the lot is very wooded and will just give a bit of accent
lighting on the driveway. He stated that the intent for the generator is not a whole house
generator, but he would like to have the ability to have limited support during a power outage,
such as power for the well.
Riedel moved, Gault seconded, approving the CUP to Exceed 1,200 Square Feet of Area
for Accessory Buildings for property located at 27850 Woodside Road, subject to
conditions as listed in the staff report, as presented. Motion passed 4/0.
Chair Maddy noted that he had forgotten to open this item for public comment and opened the
Public Hearing at 7:24 P.M. There being no public comment, Chair Maddy closed the Public
Hearing.
Planning Director Darling asked that the motion be repeated, so it was officially documented
after the Public Hearing.
Riedel moved, Gorham seconded, approving the CUP to Exceed 1,200 Square Feet of
Area for Accessory Buildings for property located at 27850 Woodside Road, subject to
conditions as listed in the staff report, as presented. Motion passed 4/0.
B. CUP FOR SPECIAL PURPOSE FENCE (BATTING CAGE)
Applicant: Steve Bodine, John Kraemer and Sons
Location: 26310 Birch Bluff Road
Planning Director Darling stated that the applicant proposes to install a batting cage that is up to
19 feet high in some areas depending on where it falls on an existing retaining wall. She
explained that the proposed posts would be 15 feet tall and the netting would be about 14 feet
tall and would be installed above the existing retaining wall. She explained that staff
recommends approval of the request subject to the conditions listed in the staff report. She
noted that staff has received two letters regarding this application, one in opposition and one in
favor.
Commissioner Riedel stated that it appears that the CUP that allows special purpose fencing is
more open ended than the CUP for accessory spaces.
Planning Director Darling stated that she agrees that this type of CUP is more subjective.
Steve Bodine, John Kraemer and Sons, stated that they agree with the request by staff to
request for a zoning permit.
Chair Maddy asked when the scheduled completion date will be for this project.
Mr. Bodine stated that the completion date is getting close because the final things are the turf
play area and the batting cage.
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Chair Maddy asked whether the pine trees would continue around the property.
Mr. Bodine stated that they will be continued to the edge of the driveway of the lot as soon as
the turf play area is installed.
Commissioner Gault asked about the height of the batting cage and why the netting couldn't just
be hung at 10 feet.
Mr. Bodine stated that if you want to play at a higher level, you need to see the trajectory of the
ball, which requires a greater height for the netting placement. He explained that this size
batting cage is used at both the high school and college level. He noted that their planned
netting is a bit different than the example shown by Planning Director Darling and will not be as
thick and knotted.
Commissioner Riedel asked how visible the poles will be to the neighborhood
Mr. Bodine stated that when the tree placement is completed you will only be able to see the
posts from the driveway. He stated that it will be pretty hard to see and will be similar to a flag
pole.
Commissioner Gault asked it the intent was to light the batting cage area or have it only for
daytime use.
Mr. Bodine stated that he did not have the lighting plan for the property so he was unsure.
Commissioner Gorham expressed concerns about the sound of the crack of a bat if more than
just the homeowner uses the batting cage, such as a team batting practice.
Mr. Bodine stated that he expected it to be the homeowner's son and perhaps a few of his
friends that would be pitching to each other. He stated that he expects it to be just another
activity available on the property and not a workout facility for the team.
Chair Maddy asked if the City had seen many complaints of kid's recreational activities making
too much noise.
Planning Director Darling stated that the complaints that she has received are regarding lights
being too bright at night, such as portable lights, on hockey rinks and for noise related to sport
courts when people are playing too late at night.
Chair Maddy opened the Public Hearing at 7:38 P.M.
Tom Lesser, 26245 Birch Bluff Road, asked for clarification about the lighting plan for this area
at night. He stated that batting cages can be very loud and asked if there would be any
approved hours of use outlined for the batting cages.
Chair Maddy asked if this use would be subject to the same noise restrictions as things like
riding a lawnmower.
Planning Director Darling stated that there is nothing specific relating to recreational facilities on
private property and noted that she did not think the situation has come up in the past. She
stated that a noisy gathering could result in a noise complaint to the police. She stated that the
City could also limit the amount of light that is allowed to be used at the batting cages as a
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condition. She stated that with a CUP there could be "hours of operation" included, but noted
that including that for a residential use is a bit unusual.
Commissioner Gault confirmed with the applicant that the netting is soft and will not produce
any noise.
There being no additional public comment, Chair Maddy closed the Public Hearing at 7:42 p.m.
Mr. Bodine stated that it will be hard to use a batting cage with hard balls and bat at nighttime,
even with lighting, so he does not think it will be an issue at night.
Chair Maddy stated that he is uncomfortable putting "hours of operation" on private property and
noted that it feels like an over reach by the City.
Commissioner Riedel stated that he agreed that this will be best handled through existing
lighting and noise ordinances.
Planning Director Darling stated that the City could restrict the applicant from lighting the batting
cage itself for nighttime use.
Commissioner Gault confirmed with Planning Commissioner Darling that the only reason the
applicants were applying for a CUP was because of the height of the poles and not having a
batting cage on the property.
Commissioner Riedel stated that the zoning allows for special purpose fencing and this is not an
outrageous request.
Mr. Bodine stated that he understands the restriction on lighting, but expressed concern about
the need for lighting at dusk during different times of the year. He stated that completely
restricting the lighting seems excessive. He noted that he thinks there will be the opportunity to
provide subtle light rather than large stadium type lighting that will allow use of the cage, but will
not disturb the neighbors.
Commissioner Gault noted that in order to be effective, a batting cage needs bright, directional
lighting, rather than down lighting. He suggested that the Commission limit the lighting to 10
feet up the poles rather than at the 19 feet point of the poles surrounding the batting cage.
Mr. Bodine stated that he would support that because it would give lighting options, but would
not be obtrusive to the neighbors.
Commissioner Riedel stated that the intent, if this type of lighting is allowed, is that the batting
cage not be used after dusk because that is when it will be most disruptive to the neighbors in
terms of both noise and lighting.
Commissioner Gorham stated that he does not want to have any gray areas and does not want
to see any lighting on the batting cage.
Mr. Bodine noted that there will be landscape type lighting in the area.
Commissioner Riedel stated that would take care of "safety" lighting in the area
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Chair Maddy expressed concern that the Commission did not have the exact lighting plan in
front of them in order to evaluate the things that are being discussed.
A member of the audience spoke about the existing tree cover on this lot noting that foliage will
be gone by fall.
Mr. Bodine asked what the City usually does with things like sport courts with regard to noise
and lighting.
Planning Director Darling noted that noise disturbances are police calls.
Commissioner Gault stated that he is becoming concerned because every time the Commission
comes up with lighting restrictions, Mr. Bodine comes up with an objection. He stated that he is
starting to get the impression that Mr. Bodine is aware of the lighting plan for this property.
Mr. Bodine stated that he has worked on this project long enough to know that sometimes ideas
come up after things are built and wants to make sure that this is all covered. He stated that he
is trying to get the same rights for his homeowner as those who have sport courts.
Commissioner Gault stated that sport courts are a bit different because that is typically
something like basketball which is a different noise than would come from a batting cage.
Chair Maddy noted that sport courts also do not require a CUP and in this instance, the
applicant is asking for a fence height two times what is allowed in the City.
Gault moved, Riedel seconded, recommending the Council approve the CUP for Special
Purpose Fence (Batting Cage) for the property located at 26310 Birch Bluff Road, subject
to conditions as listed in the staff report and that no lighting will be installed with the
intent of lighting the batting cage. Motion passed 4/0.
C. MINOR SUBDIVISION; VARIANCE FOR FRONT SETBACK; CUP FOR FILL
OVER 100 CUBIC YARDS (continued to July 2, 2019)
Applicant: Joe Allen, Highland and Associates, Inc.
Location: 5965 Grant Street
Planning Director Darling noted that the applicants propose to demolish the existing home and
subdivide to construct two new homes, which would include bringing over 100 cubic yards of fill
to the site. She stated that the applicant needs additional time to submit revised plans, so she
is suggested that public testimony be taken tonight and this item be continued to the July 2,
2019 Planning Commission meeting.
Chair Maddy opened the Public Hearing for comment at 8:03 p.m., being there was no public
testimony, Chair Maddy closed the Public Hearing.
Riedel moved, Gorham seconded, to continue the request for a Minor Subdivision,
Variance for Front Setback, and CUP for fill over 100 Cubic Yards for the property located
at 5965 Grant Street, to the July 2, 2019 Planning Commission meeting. Motion passed
4/0.
4. OTHER BUSINESS
A. PREAPPLICATION — COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT SKETCH REVIEW
Applicant: Bill Stoddard, Stoddard Companies
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Location: 25400 State Highway 7 (vacant parcel between Eureka Rd and
Seamans Dr
Planning Director Darling noted that the subject property is located between Eureka Road and
Seamans Drive, north of State Highway Seven. She stated that the applicant is asking for
informal comment on a sketch plan for 20 small, single - family lots clustered along a new cul -de-
sac. She noted that if the applicant comes forward with an application, it would need a
Comprehensive Plan Amendment to be compatible with the proposed density, rezoning to
amend the site to a PUD, a PUD concept, development and final stage review, as well as a
preliminary and final subdivision. She showed examples of the home styles that are proposed
and reviewed setbacks, traffic and parking. She stated that the applicant is looking for the
Commission's opinion on the proposed plans.
Commissioner Gorham asked if there was a watermain extension requirement with this
development.
Planning Director Darling noted that with any residential development that has more than 4
homes, there is a watermain extension requirement.
Commissioner Gorham asked if there had been any notification put out regarding this proposed
plan.
Planning Director Darling stated that there had not been any notification because this is an
informal sketch plan review where the developer is looking for informal comments.
Commissioner Riedel asked if there would be enough pervious surface on the site with the
proposed plan for stormwater management.
Planning Director Darling stated that the Commission could provide an exception to the amount
of impervious surface, but not to the amount of stormwater retention and those issues.
Commissioner Riedel asked if Planning Director Darling felt there would be enough area on site
to handle infiltration and absorption of the stormwater from the site.
Planning Director Darling stated that the plans show a good -sized pond and the developer
would have to provide the documentation that it could handle the appropriate amount of
stormwater and drainage.
Commissioner Gault asked about the location of the culvert that flows across State Highway
Seven.
Planning Director Darling stated that she believes it is in the south east corner of the site. She
stated that she is not sure if the pond will be kept in the same area as is proposed, once the
engineers get involved.
Commissioner Gault asked why this would be a cul -de -sac and not a straight through street
between Eureka Road and Seamans Drive.
Planning Director Darling stated that she takes responsibility for that design and explained the
traffic situation in the area and why she recommended a cul -de -sac.
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Chair Maddy confirmed that he had understood Planning Director Darling correctly that the
neighbors were not notified of this proposed sketch plan.
Planning Director Darling stated that she believes a resident saw it and got word out via
NextDoor, but the City had not officially notified the neighborhood.
Bill Stoddard, Stoddard Companies, stated that it is important to him to do something that fits in
with the neighborhood and yet meets today's needs. He stated that people really like buying,
new, smaller homes that include a small HOA so the outside yard area is taken care of. He
noted that because of the water table in the area, these homes will not have basements, so they
would like to have the option for one -story or two -story design. He stated that he would like to
have a neighborhood meeting to explain the concept to the neighbors fairly early in the process.
He stated that one of the next steps will be to do soil borings.
Mike Steadman, 24505 Niblick Alcove, stated that he is a new construction specialist for Burnett
and he feels there is a tremendous need for new, affordable housing with a zero lot line
development. He stated that he thinks this development could be very unique and desirable.
Commissioner Riedel stated that the price point suggested for these units does not qualify as
affordable housing.
Mr. Steadman stated that it is affordable compared to Minnetonka Country Club.
Commissioner Gault asked if the intent was to build these homes to order or to build them to
spec and then sell them.
Mr. Stoddard stated that he has a handful of builders that are very interested in this project. He
stated that they will start at one end and build in phases and build as the purchase agreements
are in place.
Chair Maddy explained that there is a traffic bottle neck in this area along Eureka Road
especially during sporting events. He stated that under the current zoning, this property is
entitled to seven lots without requiring a CUP or rezoning the property. He stated that the
thirteen extra homes would bring about 140 extra automobile trips to this area which is a cause
for great concern by residents in the area. He shared other concerns that were shared by the
residents from the last proposal.
Commissioner Riedel noted that he had taken a drive to this property today after the rainstorm
and the amount of standing water was impressive. He stated that the water table, the wetland
designation and the stormwater management for this site may be a significant challenge.
Chair Maddy stated that higher density for this particular parcel will be a challenge and was the
biggest concern shared by the area residents, for good reason.
Commissioner Riedel stated that the outcome of the last proposal for this parcel was that they
recommended that a traffic study be done. He explained that because of the feedback from
both the City and the neighborhood, the developer saw that the project was unlikely to move
forward, and was unwilling to complete the traffic study. He stated that concerns about
additional traffic in this area are very real.
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Commissioner Gorham stated that people were very upset about the last proposal and were
very vocal about their concerns for traffic in the entire area, including unsafe speeds and
pedestrian dangers.
Commissioner Riedel stated that the plan proposed is quite good because all the properties are
on the north side and it preserves quite a bit of the tree cover between State Highway Seven
and the property. He explained that his concerns are with the density and the number of cars
this proposed development would add.
Mr. Stoddard asked if the property to the west was a multi - family development.
Planning Director Darling stated that it is a quad home development called Shorewood Pond
which was approved as a PUD in 1999. She noted that she has suggested the Commission
give feedback on the fourteen items listed in the staff report.
Chair Maddy suggested that the Commission go through the list item by item and give their
feedback.
The consensus of the Commission is that:
1) the density shown does not appear to be acceptable; 2) the design height of the dwellings
appears to be acceptable if they are mixed and not a row of two story homes with a 14 foot
setback 3) the reduced setback seems acceptable; 4) traffic analysis should be required with
school in session; 5) setback from Eureka Road and Seamans Drive should be 35 feet; 6)
right -of -way dedication should be consistent with City code, but discuss the possibility of
narrowing the streets and only allowing parking on one side of the street; 7) consider increasing
the radius of the cul -de -sac; 8) watermain should be extended to the north and south to allow
for further extension in the future; 9) work with City and MCWD for stormwater treatment and
provide soil borings; 10) impervious surfaces limited to 33 percent and 25 percent within the
shoreland district; 11) add language to HOA documents that restricts the use of the garages as
outlined being cautious and vigilant about enforcement and making sure the language is
actually included by the HOA before building permits are issued; 12) provide a tree inventory
and protect the trees; 13) consider increasing the number of trees above what is required to
add additional buffer; 14) amend the shoreland district to accommodate the channel that lies
below the OHWL on the north side of Minnewashta Lake.
Commissioner Riedel stated that items 2 -14 are all great and things that can be addressed, but
item 1 is not because the density proposed is too much.
Riedel moved, Gorham seconded to recommend to the Council that items 2 through 14 of
the proposed conditions are generally acceptable as outlined above, but the density
appears to be unacceptable for this development based on traffic concerns. Motion
passed 4/0.
B. ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT — SECTION 1201.03, SUBD 2D
Planning Director Darling stated that a draft ordinance amendment was included in the packet to
remove the requirement for a CUP for accessory buildings over 1,200 square feet, but continue
to require the same conditions. She explained that staff is also proposing some housekeeping
changes to the language. She stated that in order to amend the ordinance, a Public Hearing will
be necessary.
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Commissioner Riedel stated that he is in favor of this amendment, but, noted that in general, he
is in favor of Conditional Use Permits.
Chair Maddy stated that he fully supports cleaning up the code and agrees with the proposed
amendments.
Riedel moved, Gorham seconded, to recommend approval to the Council for the zoning
text amendments regarding oversized accessory buildings and cleaning up the language
as proposed.
Commissioner Gault asked what ordinance would be applied if someone wanted to put up a
structure that is not a building, such as a windmill.
Planning Director Darling stated that the height limitation would apply and it is in a different part
of the code. She stated that when she brings the final form of this amendment back for the
Public Hearing, she will include that section of the code as well.
Commissioner Riedel asked what part of the code a gazebo or a patio would fall
Planning Director Darling stated that a gazebo would be considered a building and a patio
would be considered a structure.
Chair Maddy asked where a screened in porch would fall in the code.
Planning Director Darling explained that usually screened in porches are attached to the home
so they would not be subject to the accessory building limitation, but if they were detached, they
would.
Motion passed 4/0.
5. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR
6. REPORTS
• Liaison to Council
Council Liaison Labadie reported on matters considered and actions taken during Council's May
22, 2019, meeting and work session (as detailed in the minutes for those meetings).
• Draft Next Meeting Agenda
Director Darling stated there is a variance request to redevelop a small lot. She noted that at
the June 10, 2019 Council meeting the Comprehensive Plan will be taken back to the Council
for authorization to submit it to Met Council.
7. ADJOURNMENT
Riedel moved, Gault seconded, adjourning the Planning Commission Meeting of June 4,
2019, at 9:09 P.M. Motion passed 4/0.