08-06-19 Planning Commission Minutes
CITY OF SHOREWOOD COUNCIL CHAMBERS
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING 5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD
TUESDAY, AUGUST 6, 2019 7:00 P.M.
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
Chair Maddy called the meeting to order at 7:01 P.M.
ROLL CALL
Present: Chair Maddy; Commissioners Eggenberger, Gault and Riedel; Planning Director
Darling; and, Council Liaison Siakel
Absent: Commissioner Gorham
1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Chair Maddy asked for there to be an item added to the agenda to update the liaison schedule
for reporting to the Council.
Planning Director Darling stated that it will be added under Other Business.
Riedel moved, Eggenberger seconded, approving the agenda for August 6, 2019, as
amended. Motion passed 4/0.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
July 2, 2019
Gault moved, Maddy seconded, approving the Planning Commission Meeting Minutes of
July 2, 2019, as presented. Motion passed 2/0/2 (Riedel and Eggenberger abstained).
3. PUBLIC HEARINGS
Chair Maddy explained the Planning Commission is comprised of residents of the City of
Shorewood who are serving as volunteers on the Commission. The Commissioners are
appointed by the City Council. The Commission’s role is to help the City Council in
determining zoning and planning issues. One of the Commission’s responsibilities is to
hold public hearings and to help develop the factual record for an application and to
make a non-binding recommendation to the City Council. The recommendation is
advisory only.
A. PUBLIC HEARING – ZONING CODE TEXT AMENDMENTS REMOVING
BONDS AS PERFORMANCE GUARANTEES
Chair Maddy opened the Public Hearing at 7:04 P.M. noting the procedures used in a Public
Hearing.
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Planning Director Darling explained that this is a draft ordinance that removes bonds as an
acceptable financial guarantee for developers with performance agreements or development
contracts. She stated that bonds have become very difficult to seize when developers fail to
perform so the City is looking for cash deposits or letters of credit which are much easier to use
when needed. She noted that these proposed changes are simply housekeeping and proactive,
rather than a reaction to a particular incident with a developer. Staff is recommending approval
of this amendment. She explained that staff is recommending this same change over a number
of sections of city code, but the Planning Commission must review changes to the Zoning Code
text.
Commissioner Eggenberger asked why a developer would want to use a bond rather than the
cash or letter of credit.
Planning Director Darling stated that bond are cheaper alternatives than the other options.
Commissioner Eggenberger asked when the proposed change would take effect and if the
developers would be given warning ahead of time of the deadline.
Planning Director Darling stated that staff has already been using mostly letters of credit and
cash deposits with developers.
Commissioner Gault asked about the dollar amount guidelines in the City Code because some
of them don’t say anything. He suggested that every instance be given an amount because
there is inconsistency in the language throughout the Code.
Planning Director Darling stated that this guarantee is for all the outstanding improvements and
there is a requirement that their engineer give the City a list of all the outstanding improvements
with a dollar amount attached to each item. She stated that then the City Engineer will look it
over and make sure it is consistent with the proposed improvements.
Commissioner Gault reiterated that he would like the language to be consistent and feels that
will also make the Code more enforceable. He stated that he also thinks this would give more
flexibility to the City to ask for more money if the condition is warranted.
Commissioner Eggenberger suggested more generic language such as “in an amount to be
determined by the City” so there isn’t a problem with numbers being too low or too high.
The Commission discussed removing self-storage facilities from this section.
Chair Maddy opened the Public Testimony portion of the Public Hearing at 7:17 P.M. There
being no public testimony, Chair Maddy closed the Public Hearing at 7:17 PM.
Riedel moved, Eggenberger seconded, recommending approval of ORDINANCE 569, “An
Ordinance Approving an Amendment to Chapters 90, 1201 and 1202 of City Code to
Remove Bonds as an Acceptable Financial Guarantee, AND removing the Self-Storage
facility provision because it is redundant; cleaning up the language to remove dollar
amounts; add language that more clearly reflects that the amount will be determined by
the City; and that the word “Bond” be replaced by “Performance Guarantees”. Motion
passed 4/0.
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4. OTHER BUSINESS
A. VARIANCE TO BUILD ON A SUBSTANDARD LOT AND SETBACK VARIANCE
Applicants: Mike and Jane Schlangen
Location: 27120 Edgewood Road
Planning Director Darling stated that the applicant is proposing to demolish the existing home,
detached garage and shed and construct a new home with an attached garage. She explained
that the new home would be three feet, three inches from the east property line, five feet from
the west property line and the side-yard setback would be eight feet, three inches. She stated
that the applicants are proposing that their mechanical equipment would be located along the
west property line as well as a sidewalk that could connect their deck to the street side of the
house. She reviewed the existing setback requirements and noted that the applicant has stated
that the proposed plans would reduce the impervious surface on the property. Staff has
reviewed this request and found that practical difficulties exist because of the size and shape of
the lot. She explained that the applicant could not construct a home that would meet the
required setbacks. She stated that with the conditions listed in the staff report as well as some
additional information the engineers have requested, staff is recommending approval.
Commissioner Riedel asked about easements for public utilities.
Planning Director Darling stated that there were none granted when this property was
subdivided. She explained that the property was originally created in 1881 and then further
subdivided later to create this parcel as well as a few others in the neighborhood.
Commissioner Gault asked about the drainage flow because it looks like it will drain into the
adjacent property.
Planning Director Darling stated that is the existing condition and they are trying to allow the
water to continue flowing along its natural path. She stated that is one of the things that the City
Engineer would like more information regarding to ensure that the culverts are adequately sized.
Chair Maddy noted that Edgewood Road cuts across their property and asked how that works.
Planning Director Darling stated that the road was constructed after the property was platted so
it is called a prescriptive right-of-way which means that the public continues to have rights to
cross the property.
Dan Buerman, DCB Designs, noted that the existing building was used as a seasonal cabin by
the applicants. He explained that they have recently retired and are now looking to update the
home. He stated that the original plan was to reuse the existing structure but because of an
incident where the pipes burst, there was substantial mold, so a decision was made to construct
a completely new home. He noted that the applicant has 16 siblings, so the home is proposed
to have room for visitors but is still fairly modest. He stated that the existing water flow is a
natural flow and he does not think there are any existing culverts in place. He stated that he
expects the flow to remain the same with the proposed plans.
Susie O’Donnell 27100 Edgewood Road, stated that she and her husband have lived on the
property next door to this one for 25 years. She stated that they like the neighbors and are
hopeful that they can build a nice house on their lot. She stated that their lot is almost identical
to the applicants. She described the size of the home proposed in comparison to their home.
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She stated that if this home is built as proposed they will lose light as well as a view of the
lagoon. She stated that their patio that looks out to the lake will come very close to the new
two-story home that is proposed and will also lose quite a bit of late afternoon sun because of
the height of the home. She reviewed other areas where her home will be affected by this home
and noted that it was not the proximity of the home that concerns them, but that it will be two-
stories high. She stated that they also believe that there will be a problem with drainage
especially with the increased elevation of the paver driveway.
Commissioner Riedel stated that the drainage issue may be taken care of with the culverts.
Ms. O’Donnell stated that they also have concerns because they wanted to add living space to
their home in 2003 and applied for variances with the City. She stated that they had the support
of the previous owners of this home for their plans and the City denied their request. She stated
that they do want the applicants to get a new home, but they are concerned about the impact on
their view and drainage. She stated that they are also concerned with fairness because their
proposed plans were much more modest than what is being proposed for this property. She
reiterated that they would like the applicants to build a nice, new house, but they have concerns
about the proposed plans.
Chair Maddy stated that the City cannot dictate views or how they will change as long as there
is access to light and air. He stated that staff has already expressed concerns about the
drainage, so that will be addressed moving forward.
Planning Director Darling stated that she believes the City Engineer was looking at the
possibility of using sheet flow across the driveway rather than using culverts so the drainage
would not be concentrated and would follow the same natural path towards the lagoon. She
stated that she did not believe the driveway grade will be raised based on the information the
City has received thus far. She noted that the City will need to see more detailed drainage
plans.
Ms. O’Donnell stated that the paver driveway elevation says it is at 935 feet and there are areas
to the east of the driveway that are about 932 feet. She stated that she assumed that meant
that they would build up the driveway to the street level.
Mr. Buerman explained the existing grade and the proposed plans. He stated that they were
planning for a very shallow culvert, but has gotten the impression that it may not be needed
because they may be able to use a six-inch drain tile and sheet flow over the driveway.
Chair Maddy asked for more information about the pervious pavers.
Mr. Buerman explained that it is 40% pervious. He noted that grass or gravel would be placed
between the pavers and within the openings.
Commissioner Riedel stated that the pervious pavers are controversial because they require a
lot of maintenance so they remain pervious.
Mr. Buerman stated that the homeowners understand that they require maintenance and would
rather have it paved, but the hardcover situation was critical on the property so they chose the
pervious pavers.
Commissioner Gault asked about the decision to move the new home further back from the lake
than the existing home.
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Mr. Buerman stated that they pulled the home back twelve feet partly because of the neighbors
to the east and allowed them a wider view. He stated that they did try to take into account their
neighbors and their concerns. He stated that he did not think this is an extravagant home but
does need to be large enough for the applicant’s family to come and visit.
Chair Maddy noted that Ms. O’Donnell had brought up the issue of fairness with the previous
variance and asked Planning Director Darling if she had any information on the situation.
Planning Director Darling stated that at the time, there was concern that what they were
proposing was more than what that particular lot could support. She noted that the standards
for variances have been changed since the time that the O’Donnell’s submitted their application
(2003).
Commissioner Gault asked if there would be any additional fire protection required along the
eastern wall because of the proximity to the other home.
Planning Director Darling stated that the Zoning Code has additional requirements at three feet
and at five feet but noted that a deck is not subject to those requirements.
Commissioner Riedel asked about increasing the non-conformity and believes that the proposal
slightly improves the non-conformity due to the amount of hardcover. He asked if adding an
extra story was an increase in non-conformity.
Planning Director Darling stated that the second story would require a variance even if it was
the same footprint.
Chair Maddy stated that in the past, pervious pavement has not been given credit.
Planning Director Darling stated that there is a three-part test that requires air, water and
vegetation to pass through for it to be allowed. She stated that this particular product passes
the test and is 40% pervious.
Commissioner Riedel stated that the concerns from the neighbors are well taken and he agreed
that the variance will impact the neighbor because it is going from a one story to a two-story
home. He stated that classifying this property as R1-A seems odd because it is very far from a
typical R1-A lot, and requiring this lot to comply with the setback and hardcover requirements is
almost meaningless. He stated that a variance is somewhat expected because unless you build
on the exact footprint of what is there, a variance will be required. He stated that the question
for the Commission is whether adding a second story on this lot is reasonable or not.
Commissioner Gault stated that two of the neighboring houses are two-story homes.
Ms. O’Donnell stated that the homes he is referring to do not have full two-stories and thinks the
proposed full two-story house is not the same.
Commissioner Eggenberger stated that he feels granting the variance would be in keeping with
the neighborhood and does not see any reason to deny it.
Commissioner Riedel stated that the applicants have made an effort to keep the hardcover
down and keep the foot print close to the original.
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Eggenberger moved, Riedel seconded to recommend approval of the proposed variances
for property located at 27120 Edgewood Road, subject to the conditions included in the
staff report, in addition to the proposed grading on the submitted survey and complete
additional analysis of the culvert and drainage areas. Motion carried 4/0.
B. LIAISON SCHEDULE
Chair Maddy stated that Commissioner Gorham sent an e-mail that he would be unable to cover
the Council meeting in August but could take December.
The updated liaison schedule is as follows:
August – Commissioner Eggenberger
September – Commissioner Gault
October – Commissioner Riedel
November – Chair Maddy
December – Commissioner Gorham
5. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR
6. REPORTS
• Liaison to Council
Council Liaison Siakel reported on matters considered and actions taken during Council’s July
22, 2019, meeting (as detailed in the minutes for that meeting). She noted that they had a
lengthy work session to discuss engineering services for the City.
• Draft Next Meeting Agenda
Planning Director Darling stated there is a variance application slated for the next meeting.
Commissioner Riedel asked about the abstention policy because that application is being
submitted by a neighbor and friend of his.
Planning Director Darling explained that he would need to abstain if he or a family member
would be financially impacted from the discussion or the decision. She stated that in this case,
he could abstain if he was concerned about a perceived conflict of interest, but he is not
required to abstain. She stated that it would be his choice if he wanted to leave the table and sit
in the audience for the discussion.
Commissioner Riedel asked if it was reasonable for him to abstain from both the overall
discussion and the vote in this situation.
Planning Director Darling stated that it is reasonable in this situation.
7. ADJOURNMENT
Riedel moved, Gault seconded, adjourning the Planning Commission Meeting of August
6, 2019, at 8:12 P.M. Motion passed 4/0.