04 05 2022
CITY OF SHOREWOOD COUNCIL CHAMBERS
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING 5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD
TUESDAY, APRIL 5, 2022 7:00 P.M.
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
Chair Maddy called the meeting to order at 7:01 P.M.
ROLL CALL
Present: Chair Maddy; Commissioners Eggenberger, Riedel, Huskins and Holker; Planning
Director Darling; Planning Technician Jason Carlson; and Council Liaison Siakel
Absent: None
1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Commissioner Eggenberger suggested that agenda items 4 and 5 be reversed because the public
hearing item may get lengthy.
Eggenberger moved, Riedel seconded, approving the agenda for April 5, 2022, as amended
by reversing items 4 and 5. Motion passed 5/0.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
March 1, 2022
Chair Maddy noted that the minutes denoted that the meeting was held in Council Chambers;
however the meeting was held virtually.
Riedel moved, Holker seconded, approving the Planning Commission Meeting Minutes of
March 1, 2022, as amended. Motion passed 5/0.
3. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR - NONE
4. NEW BUSINESS
A. Site Plan Amendment Review for Commercial Building Modification
Applicant: Mikan Homes
Location: 24275 Smithtown Road
Planning Director Darling stated that the applicant proposed to remodel the building and site to
accommodate their office and storage needs. She noted that the City does not do many of this
type of review and gave a brief explanation of what is involved in a Site Plan Review. She
explained that the applicant is proposing to re-side and re-roof the building. They will convert the
car repair area on the south side of the building to a storage area and interior parking and the
north side will become the office and conference room areas. She noted that they have plans to
remove much of the bituminous in the front of the building but leave enough for two parking
spaces. The applicant has proposed to remove much of the gravel storage area in the back but
reserve enough space for 5 additional parking spaces plus maneuvering area so they can still get
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the trailers and vehicles inside the building in the back. She stated that they are proposing 5
parking spaces in the back, 2 in the front and 2 inside the building which is more than what code
requires. She stated that staff recommends approval with a few conditions as noted in the staff
report. She explained that Site Plan Reviews do not require notification for the adjacent property
owners or a public hearing, but the Commission could take public testimony.
Commissioner Eggenberger asked if they will need a sign permit in order to place their sign on
the building.
Planning Director Darling stated that this was correct.
Chair Maddy stated that it appears that the curb cut driveway onto County Road 19 is split
between the two buildings and asked if there was an easement where they both have access to
the full width.
Planning Director Darling stated that she will defer that answer to the applicant.
Commissioner Riedel stated that the existing building was legally non-conforming and asked if
this proposal would reduce the non-conformity.
Planning Director Darling stated that the building position would stay the same. She explained
that the non-conformity is just a small amount of the northwest corner of the building plus the
entire east side of the building because it is set too close to the east property line.
Chair Maddy noted that they are improving the impervious surface because they are substantially
reducing it.
Commissioner Holker asked where the access would be to the two indoor parking spaces.
Planning Director Darling explained that would be around the back and noted that is where the
old repair shop space was located.
Commissioner Huskins confirmed that the Commission was not here to make any comments
related to ADA requirements.
Planning Director Darling explained that is not really a land use decision as the ADA regulations
are required by the building code and they have to conform to them as part of their building permit
review. She stated that the applicant has done considerable research on the topic and the
Commission can ask questions about them if they like.
Ryan Jones, 6105 Seamans Drive, applicant, stated that related to the easement on the side of
the property for the parking, their property line goes up to the side of the computer store. He
explained that there is an existing gate that attaches to the back side of their property which is
ample width for their trucks to pull down that side. He stated that there was an engineer
recommendation on the labeled gravel portion on the front side of the building because right now,
the parking spots protrude past where the curb cut is located. He stated that the plan is just to tilt
the entrance into the front and pull those parking spots all the way so they are protected by the
curb that is there. He stated that there are 4 tall bays on the back side of the building and they
will be getting rid of two of them to allow for some pallet racks so they can store building materials.
He noted that they will be reducing the impervious surface amount from about 88% to 60% and
explained that their goal is to decrease the runoff outside of their property and increase the
aesthetic from the front side of the building. He stated that related to ADA comments, the parking
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spot closest to the back side of the building is the ADA parking. He noted that they have standard
swing doors and they are proposing to have a wheelchair lift in the back that would bring any
client that may need it up to the office level.
Commissioner Huskins stated that he was just curious as to why it was in the rear of the building
rather than the front.
Mr. Jones explained that it is because of the way the building is situated because when you walk
in the front, there are about three steps down to the landing.
Commissioner Holker asked if there would be any vehicles in the building overnight.
Mr. Jones stated that they were not planning to. He noted that the vehicles are their personal
vehicles which are driven around regularly. He stated that there will be steadily 3 people at the
office, but they are usually not in the office all at the same time and expects there will only be 1
or 2 people at the office at one time.
Commissioner Riedel asked about the gravel area because that will be reduced quite a bit and
asked if the usage would be changing.
Mr. Jones stated that it will probably will not change outside if they don’t plan to store trailers and
boats back there. He noted that he thinks there was some concern about run off of the impervious
surfaces that were coming down into the park and into the City’s property. He stated that they
thought there was kind of a middle ground where they could remove some of the material, but still
get 4 parking spots and the trailer back up area.
Commissioner Riedel asked if they would ever be pulling an excavator in that space.
Mr. Jones stated that outside of getting the work done, they do not own one so he would not see
the need to bring one in there. He stated that the material that they would maybe bring in would
be things like doors and windows that they would load into the storage area until they were needed
for a specific job.
Chair Maddy asked about the curb cut off of 19 and asked if Mr. Jones would have access to the
full curb cut.
Mr. Jones stated that something happened when the survey was done and it looks like the curb
cut is further towards the north. He explained the actual location of the curb cut and stated that
there was plenty of space to pull in and out on 19.
Chair Maddy stated that in one of the renderings there was an American flag flying but there is no
pin spot in their electrical lighting plan for the flag and asked if they intended to fly a flag and if
they would be putting in a spotlight.
Mr. Jones stated that was a drawing that their architect had done and believes that he was trying
to ‘pretty things up’ for them.
Commissioner Huskins asked about timing for this project if it is approved.
Mr. Jones stated that their biggest hurdle to overcome is getting the windows ordered and would
guess that it will be about 5 or 6 months if they can get their materials. He noted that he expects
that they will be able to get the interior portion of the remodel started right away.
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Chair Maddy opened this item for public comment at 7:22 p.m., being there were no comments,
he closed the public comment portion of the meeting.
Eggenberger moved, Huskins seconded, recommending approval of the Site Plan
Amendment Review at 24275 Smithtown Road, with the staff recommendations. Motion
passed 5/0.
Planning Director Darling noted that this will go before the City Council on April 25, 2022.
5. PUBLIC HEARINGS
Chair Maddy explained the Planning Commission is comprised of residents of the City of
Shorewood who are serving as volunteers on the Commission. The Commissioners are
appointed by the City Council. The Commission’s role is to help the City Council in
determining zoning and planning issues. One of the Commission’s responsibilities is to
hold public hearings and to help develop the factual record for an application and to make
a non-binding recommendation to the City Council. The recommendation is advisory only.
A. PUBLIC HEARING – City Code Amendments for Campaign and Non-
Commercial Speech Sign Amendment Discussion
Applicant: City of Shorewood
Location: City-Wide
Chair Maddy confirmed that the City had only received one item of correspondence for this matter.
Planning Director Darling stated that she had only received one. She explained that this is a
proposed code amendment to amend regulations pertaining to campaign and non-commercial
speech signs. She stated that the amendments are proposed to make the language clearer and
more enforceable, consistent with State statute, move the City closer to content neutral language,
and protect City against challenges based on content specific signage language. She gave an
overview of some of the proposed ordinance amendments. She stated that the City received one
letter from Mr. Alan Yelsey, 26335 Peach Circle that had been distributed to the Commission prior
to the meeting and will be included as part of the public record for the meeting.
Chair Maddy suggested that the Commission go over the two concerns that had been raised in
the correspondence. He stated that one of the concerns regarding being allowed to post anything
they want during non-election season which he believes is covered in another section.
Planning Director Darling explained that currently, the zoning ordinance does not allow you to
post signage in any number, anywhere you may want. She stated that you are allowed to post
some signs on your property and noted that the language right now in the code is content specific
so they are proposing to add a substitution clause so for any allowed sign, you may substitute a
non-commercial speech on that sign and have it in the same locations that would otherwise be
allowed. She noted that most signs have a 5-foot setback from front property lines and a 5 foot
setback from side property lines.
Commissioner Riedel confirmed that the substitution clause only applies to signs on your own
property and not within easements. He stated that he believes the intent is for these amendments
to serve as a bridge and the intent is to revisit this ordinance following the election season.
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Planning Director Darling stated that they could not look at revisions for the entire sign code in
time for the election campaign season, so they are proposing targeted amendments specifically
for campaign and election signage.
The Commission discussed details of the substitution clause, right-of-way, setbacks, what
portions of the Code are intended to be revisited and suggested some additional language
changes to make things clearer.
Commissioner Eggenberger noted under General Provisions #11 it appears to exempt flags but
sometimes what is on a sign is also what is seen on a flag. He asked what ‘political unit’ meant.
Planning Director Darling stated that she would take that to mean a County, City, or a district.
Commissioner Eggenberger asked what is meant by the term ‘integral signs’.
Planning Director Darling explained that she was not sure what that term meant when this was
written and noted that this is a paragraph that will take some amendment when the code is
rewritten.
Commissioner Eggenberger stated that he was just trying to make sure they understood because
he feels people will try to get around it.
Chair Maddy noted that he had just checked the dictionary and it stated, ‘necessary to make a
whole, complete, essentially, or fundamental’.
Commissioner Riedel stated that he would read it as a sign that is in one piece and not presented
in several pieces.
Planning Director Darling noted that she found a definition for it within the zoning regulations
which is, ‘a sign carrying the name of a building, its date of erection, monumental citations,
commemorative tablets, and the like when carved into stone, concrete or similar material, or made
of bronze, aluminum or other permanent type of construction and made an integral part of the
structure.’
Commissioner Holker clarified that this is a portion of the Code that they are planning to revisit
post-election period.
Huskins moved, Holker seconded, recommending approval of the Draft Text Amendments
for Campaign Signs and Non-Commercial Speech Signs with the amendment under
General Provisions C, #6 to explicitly state the exceptions. Motion passed 5/0.
6. OLD BUSINESS – NONE
7. REPORTS
• Council Meeting Report
Council Liaison Siakel noted that due to spring break, the Council did not meet last week and
gave an update on the discussions and actions taken at the March 14, 2022 City Council meeting.
• Draft Next Meeting Agenda
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Chair Maddy noted that he will not be in attendance at next month’s Planning Commission
meeting.
Planning Director Darling stated that there is an application for a rezoning, PUD and preliminary
plat for 9 units on the east side of Lake Como, just north of Radisson Road, but noted that she
wasn’t sure if that would be ready in time for the May meeting. She stated that she will keep the
Commission informed because they may end up cancelling the next meeting.
• Liaison to Council for June, July, and August
June – Commissioner Riedel
July – Commissioner Holker
August – Chair Maddy
8. ADJOURNMENT
Riedel moved, Huskins seconded, adjourning the Planning Commission Meeting of April
5, 2022, at 7:56 P.M. Motion passed 5/0.