01-22-24 CC Reg Mtg MinutesCITY OF SHOREWOOD
CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING
MONDAY, JANUARY 22, 2024
MINUTES
1. CONVENE CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING
5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
7:00 P.M.
Mayor Labadie called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M.
A. Pledge of Allegiance
B. Roll Call
Present. Mayor Labadie; Councilmembers Callies, Maddy, Sanschagrin, and Zerby; City
Attorney Shepherd; City Administrator Nevinski; City Clerk/HR Director Thone;
Planning Director Darling; Director of Public Works Morreim; City Engineer Budde,
and Communications Coordinator Wilson (via Zoom)
Absent: None
C. Review Agenda
Sanschagrin moved, Maddy seconded, approving the agenda as presented.
Motion passed.
2. CONSENT AGENDA
Mayor Labadie reviewed the items on the Consent Agenda.
Councilmember Sanschagrin asked to remove item D. for separate discussion.
Mayor Labadie stated that they will move this to become item 8.13. on the agenda.
Callies moved, Maddy seconded, Approving the Motions Contained on the Consent
Agenda and Adopting the Resolutions Therein.
A. City Council Work Session Minutes of January 8, 2024
B. City Council Regular Meeting Minutes of January 8, 2024
C. Approval of the Verified Claims List
moved to item 8.13. on the
agenda)
E. Authorize Safe Routes to School Grant; Galpin Lake Road to Oak Street,
Adopting RESOLUTION NO.24-005, "A Resolution Authorizing Pursuit of the
Safe Routes to School Infrastructure Grant."
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Motion passed.
3. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR
Mayor Labadie outlined the protocol and expectations during Matters from the Floor.
Dave Kowalski, 25635 Maple View Court, explained that he had lived in Shorewood for 13 years
and expressed his appreciation to the Council for their service to the community. He stated that
he felt there were still a lot of important unanswered questions about the Eureka Road project
that feels need to be answered by the Council through the use of impartial specialists who do not
stand to benefit from the choices the Council makes. He stated that he would like them to consider
the City's finances and debt ceiling; if there will eventually be need for curbs and gutters on Eureka
Road why they wouldn't have soft ones versus hard ones and be able to keep the road at its
current width; questions related to the wetlands/marsh areas. He explained that because of all
these questions that have yet to be answered, he would like to see the choice by made for the
mill and overlay option so it gets the road fixed at a reasonable price and then they can work on
getting some of these other questions answered.
David Veerthaller, 25755 Maple View Court, stated that he had spoken with Stacy Lijewski from
Wetland Conservation at the DNR who told him that she and a hydrologist would be happy to
participate in a technical evaluation. He stated that he was at the last meeting and expressed
concern for the wetlands and noted that his home is surrounded by three of the marshes. He
explained that the holding pond at the start of Maple View Court that is almost full but the marshes
are down about four feet even though the ones along Highway 7 appear to be full. He stated that
he feels that there is something going on with the marshes around Maple View Court and those
on the Ruffernach property which are also dry. He stated that he also encouraged the City to
move forward with a mill and overlay project but if it moves past that, he feels that the need to
have an understanding of what is happening with the marshes before moving forward.
Kristin Kowalski, 25635 Maple View Court, stated that she had shared comments during Matters
from the Floor at the last meeting related to Eureka Road project. She stated that it was noted at
that meeting that the vote on that project is scheduled to take place at the February 26, 2024 City
Council meeting and while there will be a quorum there will be one Councilmember who will be
absent. She noted that given the public attention that this project has generated and the volume
of comments regarding the proposed construction options, she would support a delay of the vote
to allow for all the Council to be present for the vote. She stated that in the meeting minutes from
the January 8, 2024 meeting, Chris Jocelyn had made some comments and provided a copy of a
petition with signatures to City staff. She stated that she did not see a copy of that document
included in the meeting minutes and asked where that document is recorded and available to be
seen for the public record. She thanked the Council for adding the report from staff regarding the
conflict of interest concerns to the agenda tonight. She asked that the Council address the
following questions during their discussion: Is it common practice to consolidate engineering
services into an agreement like this and not separate out the element that is in some sort of lone
staff capacity versus consulting services?; Who has the City designated as their liaison to act as
the City's representative from Section 2, Paragraph E of the full agreement?; What is the City
Attorney's point of view on the limitation of liability outlined in Section 4, Paragraph C.2. of the full
agreement?; Whether the comments and questions on the website are to be responded to by the
City Engineer or Bolton & Menk by virtue of the contracting agreement?
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Mayor Labadie noted that she was unsure that all of Ms. Kowalski's questions would be able to
be addressed tonight, but asked that if they are not answered during the meeting that staff answer
them as they had done for the questions raised at the last meeting. She stated that she believed
the issue of voting on this without the full Council will be discussed tonight and apologized for
inadvertently setting a date when they could not all be present. She explained that the rushed
date of February 26, 2024 was entirely her responsibility because she had asked staff without
consulting the Council first. She assured everyone that choosing that date was not an attempt to
take away a vote from anyone on the Council.
Barry Brown, 6050 Burlwood Court, explained that this was the fifth time he has been before the
Council speaking on buckthorn in Freeman Park and the health effects of large scale foliage
spraying. He stated that over the past month, he has been in touch with researchers at the DNR,
Mississippi Valley Conservatory, Professor Mike Schuster at the University of Minnesota who has
six -hundred buckthorn study plots in one -hundred locations around the Twin Cities, Laura
VanRiper, DNR who is the individual who authored the brochure referenced in the proposal from
Public Works to the Council. He explained that those discussions led him to discover that the
main ingredient in Garlan 3 and Garlan 4 causes severe birth defects in rats at relatively low levels
of exposure with the most common adverse effect in the kidneys for all species tested. He stated
that another product that the City is considering is glyphosate which was studied by the U.S.
Department of Health and in data gathered from humans and animals they found it causes
respiratory issues, gastrointestinal issues, neurological, reproductive, and cancer. He referenced
the Garlan 3 and Garlan 4 material data safety sheets have a warning label on them of `danger'
and has an acute toxicity to fish and aquatic organisms. He noted that with two -hundred thirty
micrograms, it can kill bees within forty-eight hours which is essentially one-third of one single
grain of salt. He read aloud information from the Minnesota Department of Health regarding
triclopyr and its potential health effects and from Governor Walz related to pesticide usage. He
also referenced information from the Minnesota Conservation Volunteer magazine and Professor
Mike Schuster related to repeated cutting of the buckthorn. He acknowledged that these scientific
reports all have counter findings which is common with scientific findings, but he feels with all of
these findings he doesn't understand why any reasonable person would take the risk for such a
large scale foliar project of thirty acres, which is right behind his home. He urged the Council to
provide clear direction to residents and staff on this issue.
There was a round of applause.
Mayor Labadie asked that people refrain from cheering or applauding because the City Council
meeting is a regular business meeting and those actions are not appropriate in that setting
because they can disrupt the meeting and have the tendency to inhibit free speech of others who
may have opposing viewpoints.
Steve Klimowicz 26135 Shorewood Oaks Drive stated that he also has concerns regarding the
use of chemicals in Freeman Park and believes many residents have concerns about the ongoing
maintenance. He stated that he believes there are concerns about the use of hazardous
chemicals and their effect on humans or pets who may be using the park. He stated that along
with Mr. Brown, he continues to oppose the use of chemicals for the initial removal of the
buckthorn, but also for the ongoing maintenance in years to come in order to keep it suppressed.
He explained that he would much prefer the use of natural means by exhausting the plants
through repeated cutting or goats. He stated that there was a resident in Shorewood Oaks that
was not available to attend, but had sent a letter to Mayor Labadie and asked that he read it aloud
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so it can be included in the record. He read aloud the letter written by Don Aslesen, 26055
Shorewood Oaks Drive asking the Council not to use chemicals in this process.
Mayor Labadie noted that she had received the letter late last night and had forwarded it onto City
staff. She stated that there is one individual on-line who has indicated a desire to address the
Council.
Alan Yelsey, 26335 Peach Circle (via Zoom), stated that he had communicated his concerns
about systemic pesticides for about six years and all of the information he has gathered had
already been submitted to the City Council and City staff. He stated that it appears as though
despite receiving this information they have ignored it and explained that he was here to ask the
Council for a compromise and not go forward with their intended use of systemic pesticides during
the cutting that will begin next week. He read aloud the terminology and language found on the
label of the chemicals the City was planning to use and explained that it would be an
environmental hazard that is clearly listed on the label. He stated that the City should not be using
it in any of the areas in Freeman Park where it is intended because it is a hazardous, toxic
chemical that breaks down into other hazardous and toxic chemicals. He stated that the label
says it should not be used and he feels that the City will most likely be sued if they choose to use
it and there are now about sixty people who are neighbors that will be submitting a petition to the
City asking them not to move forward with their plans. He noted that he feels that there are plenty
of alternatives and supports the comments made by all the previous speakers. He stated that he
wished the Council was listening to the residents so they did not have to try to convince the
Council to listen to them or become a battle. He stated that what the Council is planning to do is
not supported by the residents and is not correct for both Eureka Road and Freeman Park. He
listed off what he sees as alternative treatment options including cutting, putting bags over them,
use sheep, leave some areas with buckthorn. He stated that they have also not identified what
they plan to do in the future when the leaves grow back and noted that the use of Garlan 3 is just
as bad as Garlan 4. He explained that he was very unhappy that the residents have to keep
fighting to stop the Council from putting poison into the land where it will permeate the
groundwater, water tables, drinking water, and wells.
John Francis Healy, 26040 Shorewood Oaks Drive, explained that he wanted to support all the
speakers who had gone before him. He stated that he served in the Navy and has seen fellow
sailors be taken over by chemicals that were used. He noted that there are pets, children, and
adults that need to be considered in this decision. He stated that he did not understand that the
residents are having to convince the Council not to use a chemical that will kill people and
pollinators. He asked why the Council was so determined to take this action.
David Vierthaler, 25755 Maple View Court, thanked the Council for allowing him to speak on
buckthorn and explained that he felt he was a bit unique in this area. He stated that he owns three
acres on Maple View Court and has lived there for about six years and has been hand pulling
buckthorn for that entire time. He has asked the City what they will do in the marshes nearby and
have had zero response despite using the on-line request form. He stated that he had also asked
the City what they will do with the purple loosestrife that is in front of his house and explained that
he has even submitted pictures to the City and has heard nothing back on what they are planning.
He explained that he did not feel the City had taken any positive action, but he has pulled the
buckthorn by hand. He noted that he also has three beehives on his property that are registered
and within his first two years having them here, he lost two hives. He explained that both hives
were confirmed by the Bee Lab at the University to have been lost by pesticides. He stated that
he firmly agreed with the statements that had already been made that the City should not be using
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chemicals and should use alternate means which he understands may be more manual intensive,
but they work just as well. He invited the Council to come take a look at his property.
4. REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS
5. PARKS
A. Report by Commissioner Wenner on January 9, 2024 Park Commission meeting
Parks Commissioner Wenner gave an overview of the discussion and actions taken at the
January 9, 2024 Park Commission meeting, as reflected in the meeting minutes.
B. Integrated Pest Management Update
Public Works Director Morreim explained that he had also given this update to the Parks
Commission at their last meeting as well. He stated that over the last year the City had reinstituted
a fair amount of things that deal with the IPM portion of the work plan. He noted that the draft work
plan was discussed at the Council retreat in 2023, an open house was held in April where they
got feedback and the final work plan was approved in late April. He briefly outlined the staff goals
and explained that, in general, they are looking to utilize more caution level or advisory level
chemicals, chemicals with a signal word `danger' would be prohibited, and chemicals with a signal
word of `warning' may be used in a moderate targeted manner. He reviewed the plans for athletic
field maintenance, Manor Park Pond, Freeman Park buckthorn removal, general weed
abatement, and Emerald Ash Borer. He reviewed that plans for communication including posting
signs, information on the website, and noted that he also encouraged people to give him a call if
they had any questions.
Councilmember Sanschagrin stated that, given all the information the Council had received
tonight about the Garlan products, he would like the Council to discuss not using it as part of the
buckthorn removal. He stated that when the Council had discussed this a few months and asked
a lot of questions about the Garlan products, he was comfortable because he was told that it
disintegrated or broke down into harmless elements, but given the information on the warning
labels of the product, regarding not using it in wetlands or high water tables, he thinks the City
should think long and hard before they allow its use in Freeman Park.
Councilmember Zerby asked if Pathfinder was the same as Garlan 4.
Public Works Director Morreim answered that it was essentially the same product.
Councilmember Callies stated that she believes the Council has thought about it long and hard
and would disagree with the notion that they had not. She stated that she appreciated the
comments and input from residents. She noted that she also believed that there need to be a
distinction made between broadcast spraying of the product, which is not what the City was going
to do and instead would be dobbing it in area two. She stated that the gentleman who shared that
he has been pulling the buckthorn for the last five years would suggest to her that this method
was not really working all that well.
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David Vierthaler, from the audience, interrupted and stated that he disagreed and clarified that he
was pulling three acres of land by himself and it is working perfectly. He stated that
Councilmember Callies assumption is wrong.
Councilmember Callies that she did not want to have a back and forth dialogue about this item
but thinks they can revisit this and noted that she was getting to the point where she thinks that
the City should just let the buckthorn be there. She explained that she felt it was getting ridiculous
and there were not people before the Council talking about how they want the fields to be
maintained and her understanding was that the reason the City was doing this was because there
have been an interest from people who use the fields for sports and other activities and to have
the trails maintained well and be able to effectively use them for those activities, which require
some maintenance of the buckthorn. She reiterated that perhaps the City should take a step back
and let the athletic fields go.
Mayor Labadie asked Public Works Director Morreim to outlined the different phases and what
efforts were slated to begin this week.
Public Works Director Morreim stated that starting this week, area two will be the initial starting
point and then they will move to areas one and three. He explained that there will not be any
treatments in areas one and three this week and noted that it was originally going to be spot
treatments but he had directed them not to do any in areas one and three. He reviewed other
details from the proposal for the treatment plans.
Councilmember Callies stated that the City has gotten the information from Prairie Restorations,
the brochures from the DNR, and the information shared by the Integrated Pest Management who
spoke to the Council who talked about the concern of invasive species like buckthorn. She stated
that it is referred to as an invasive species because it takes away the native species and
eliminates the growth of productive Minnesota plants which is something that should also have
serious consideration. She noted that she felt it would be short-sighted to not do anything and
would take back her earlier statement. She shared that she was frustrated by the fact that the
Council does not seem to have people who are expressing their concern on the other side of this
issue.
Councilmember Sanschagrin stated that he feels clear that the City does want to manage and
eliminate the invasive species, but feels there are other techniques that could be considered, such
as exhausting the plant. He stated that there are even volunteers who are ready to help with that
work and noted that Minnetonka organizes volunteer groups to take care of buckthorn and would
like Shorewood to consider a similar approach rather than using chemicals.
Councilmember Callies stated that she did not think that it was accurate to say that Minnetonka
used no chemicals at all and believes that they are used in addition to volunteers.
Mayor Labadie stated that she thinks there are several steps to removal of buckthorn and the
Council had not yet taken a vote and given staff direction on exactly how they want to do it. She
explained that she did not believe that conversation was on the table tonight and is one that will
need to be noticed before it is on the agenda. She stated that she would request that the
individuals who spoke that were citing materials from various experts that they provide links or
hard copies to those so the Council can review that information before they discuss that phase
of the project. She reminded the Council that the phase of the project that is on the table tonight
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the Council has already voted and approved moving forward with this phase. She asked if, for
this phase, the City was still following DNR best practices recommendations.
Public Works Director Morreim stated that it is an option that DNR has communicated as an
effective treatment for buckthorn.
Mayor Labadie agreed with the earlier statements by the Council that they have been discussed
this during many meetings and have also had numerous experts appear, in person providing
reports. She explained that what was voted on is to go ahead with this next phase later this week
that follows Minnesota DNR best practice guidelines, and was also who the City received grant
money from to proceed. She asked City Administrator Nevinski and Public Works Director
Morreim if she had said anything incorrectly.
Public Works Director Morreim stated that she had not said anything incorrectly.
City Administrator Nevinski stated that, to his knowledge, she had not said anything incorrectly.
Mayor Labadie reiterated that she wanted the public to understand that there are several steps to
irradicating the buckthorn in Freeman Park and believes that may of the concerns raised tonight
were related to a foliar spray which is not what is happening later this week. She asked if the
Council had any other questions related to the report prepared by Public Works Director Morreim.
Councilmember Zerby asked when spraying would be part of the treatment plans.
Public Works Director Morreim stated that it was recommended that if the City does the spraying
that it be done in the fall.
Councilmember Zerby stated that he would like to have this back on a future agenda before that
time, so they can have the discussion about the spray application.
Mayor Labadie noted that she felt that the whole Council would like that. She stated that she
agreed that it needed to come back before the Council because that was not what was already
voted on.
Councilmember Sanschagrin stated that he felt the City needed to do more due diligence because
Mr. Yelsey was correct that the actual label does say it should not be used in areas where there
is a high water table and to him, that means that the City should not use it because they are using
it in a manner that is contrary to the label.
Mayor Labadie stated that needs to be discussed before the next step.
Councilmember Sanschagrin stated that he believes the usage includes the dobbing and thinks
that is also prohibited from being used in areas where there is a high water table.
Mayor Labadie reminded Councilmember Sanschagrin that the Council had already approved the
select dobbing that is planned for later this week.
Public Works Director Morreim clarified that the reason for treating area two is that it is not a more
wet land type area and was also the reason for utilizing the dobbing method.
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Mr. Brown spoke from the audience and stated that area two is a wet land area because it is
where the beaver pond and frogs are located. He stated that he plans to keep speaking up about
this and does not feel the City has their facts right.
Mayor Labadie stated that it was the job of the mayor to maintain order within the meeting and
asked him to follow the procedural rules and not speak from the audience. She explained that at
this moment, this is a Council discussion and not an open public hearing. She stated that the
residents in the audience and the Council are all `neighbors' because they live in the same City
and was simply asking that they respect the rules of the proceeding. She stated that going back
to the agenda, this item was an update on the IPM report and asked the Council if they had any
questions on that update.
Councilmember Maddy asked what the City's `long game' was for Manor Pond and noted that it
seems as though it has been a decades long problem that will not be a problem unless the City
poison's it, which means that it is still a problem. He reiterated his question that he would like to
know what the long term solution was for Manor Pond.
Public Works Director Morreim stated that he believed that originally, when the treatment started,
the thought was that because there was a nearby playground, even though nobody was swimming
in the pond, it was something that because they were near it they wanted a more desirable look.
He explained that the treatment had started but had been posted the last two years and restarting
it was just getting it back to a point where it is more desirable in looks and with its odor.
Councilmember Maddy asked, related to buckthorn, how much material would be applied later
this week, for example would they daub the chemical on six or seven stumps. He asked if the City
told them to hold off on use of Garlan for now, how much will that change what Prairie Restorations
were planning to do.
Public Works Director Morreim stated that it would just mean maintaining later more.
Councilmember Maddy stated that if they want to stop that, the City could just pay more later for
ground mowing. He stated that must admit that ground mowing can also be a problem because
if the buckthorn is choking out the natives, mowing will do the same. He stated that he was not
sure if it was something worth discussing and changing their minds at the last minute or not. He
stated that the fact that they are arguing over this is, to him, a good sign, because it is one of the
better practices and is just dobbing and nothing else. He stated that he believes he saw a few
Councilmembers seem to express the opinion that they felt holding off on the Garlan would be
fine.
Councilmember Callies explained that she was not sure it would be worthwhile to proceed if they
were not going to do the job well. She stated that she thinks the warnings listed on labels,
generally, have to do with sitting in the ground and broadcast spreading or drinking the materials
which are not things that are being proposed in this case. She stated that this chemical would be
applied by a professional and noted that the Council had not just come up with this method on
their own because this was within the DNR materials. She asked if the suggestion was to ignore
the accepted practices.
Councilmember Sanschagrin stated that when the experts were here, the Council had asked them
about what happened with the Garlan and how it broke down and he did not feel that individual
was able to answer the question. He reiterated that there are other techniques available that can
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be used in terms of exhausting the plant, for example the technique used by the Friends of the
Mississippi that cut the plant higher up and get rid of all the green matter and have it exhausted
that way through multiple maintenance. He reminded the Council that there are people who have
volunteered to assist in this.effort.
Councilmember Callies asked if he had a list of the individuals who had volunteered to conduct
these maintenance activities.
Mayor Labadie stated that if there are volunteers that want to help, she is happy to have them,
but the City had an open to the public, volunteer painting event for the hockey rink at Cathcart
Park three years ago and there were only three community members who came. She explained
that the rest of those involved were Councilmembers. Commissioners, employes of the company
that provided the paint, and City staff. She stated that she would love it if people would help with
a community project, but in her experience, very few people will actually follow through.
Councilmember Callies stated that the Council has already made a decision on this and asked
City Attorney Shepherd what the Council would need to do to reverse that decision.
Mayor Labadie asked if the Council alters the method that they have already voted on if they lose
the DNR grant money.
City Administrator Nevinski stated that the Council is kind of spinning their wheels at this point on
this issue and believes that Councilmember Maddy raised a good question. He stated that he did
not think if the City backs away from the dobbing that it will significantly impact the contract. He
stated that it would give the City some more time to do some research and look at other options
or methods of control and irradicate the buckthorn. He stated that they do have an obligation to
accomplish that mission because they are spending DNR money as well as City money. He stated
that it is possible that some of the other methods may be more costly than dobbing which needs
to be considered at budget time.
Mayor Labadie reiterated her question about whether this change to withdraw the dobbing would
lose the DNR grant funding.
City Administrator Nevinski stated that he did not believe that they would lose the grant funding.
Public Works Director Morreim stated that he also did not believe it meant that they would lose
the grant funding.
Councilmember Zerby stated that he was in favor of not using any herbicide in Freeman Park at
this time. He stated that the Council has heard a lot of concern about this chemical process that
needs to be addressed. He explained that he is in support of trying to take care of this the
mechanical way, but noted that the technique mentioned by Councilmember Sanschagrin to
exhaust the plant with cutting is still an experiment, which was why he had voted for this alternative
treatment, but reiterated that he was willing to see how this approach may work instead.
City Attorney Shepherd stated that if the Council is planning to move forward without doing the
dobbing he would suggest that the Council have a motion so it is clear and then staff can act
accordingly.
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Mayor Labadie asked if there would be a problem with this motion since the City had not noticed
the public about it ahead of time.
City Attorney Shepherd stated that they would not because the issue of discussing the IPM plan
was noticed and this action would be part of that discussion.
Zerby moved, Sanschagrin seconded, to remove the statement in #3 of the IPM workplan
to include using Pathfinder for buckthorn treatment at Freeman Park, and that there be no
herbicide treatment at all, at this point.
Councilmember Callies asked if the intent of the motion was for no herbicide treatment anywhere,
including the athletic fields or if it was just directed at herbicides for buckthorn removal and
explained that she felt they were two different things.
Councilmember Maddy stated that he believed that they were just referring to the dobbing planned
by Prairie Restoration for buckthorn removal.
Councilmember Zerby confirmed that had been his intent.
Councilmember Maddy stated that he feels that approach may end up costing the City more
money in the future and wanted confirmation that the motion was just directed towards the Prairie
Restoration contract.
All in favor. Motion passed.
Mayor Labadie directed staff to make sure to contact Prairie Restorations about this change.
6. PLANNING
A. Report by Commissioner Gorham on January 2, 2024 Planning Commission
meeting
Public Works Commissioner Gorham reviewed the discussion and recommendations from the
January 2, 2024 Planning Commission meeting as reflected in the meeting minutes.
B. Review CUP for T Mobile Antenna
Location: 24283 Smithtown Road
Applicant: SMJ International, LLC
Planning Director Darling reviewed the CUP request for a T Mobile Antenna at 24283 Smithtown
Road by SMJ International, LLC to add a microwave dish and supporting equipment to an existing
triangular array. She stated that the Planning Commission had unanimously recommended
approval, subject to the five conditions outlined in the staff report. She noted that no one from the
public spoke on this item or submitted any letters on this request.
Councilmember Maddy asked if Planning Director Darling could confirm that this equipment would
be about the size of a shoebox.
Planning Director Darling stated that was correct and noted that it was about 12 x 12 square.
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Councilmember Sanschagrin asked if the City had received any complaints from anyone in the
area about the antenna.
Planning Director Darling stated that she had never received any complaints about the antenna.
Zerby moved, Maddy seconded, Adopting RESOLUTION NO. 24-006, "A Resolution
Approving a Conditional Use Permit for an Antenna Installation and Related Equipment on
an Existing Monopole at 24283 Smithtown Road."
Motion passed.
C. Variance to Expand a Non -conforming House
Location: 5995 Glencoe Road
Applicant: Ben and Kelly Vanderheyden
Planning Director Darling reviewed the variance requests to expand a non -conforming house at
5995 Glencoe Road. She shared history of the property, the plans from the applicant, and the
original recommendation from staff that the applicants eliminate the cantilever on the north side
of the home as well as reduce or eliminate the front porch. She stated that the Planning
Commission recommended approval with a vote of 2-1 for the variance requests, subject to the
conditions outlined in the staff report. She explained that the City had received two letters in
support of the application and one person from the public spoke at the public meeting and
indicated support as long as it did not hamper her ability to develop in the future.
Councilmember Maddy asked for clarification that the property to the south at 6065 Glencoe Road
has zoning rights to build probably three houses in that parcel and the owner was concerned that
this request may inhibit her future development plans. He stated that he got the feeling at the
Planning Commission meeting that this would not affect those future plans.
Planning Director Darling confirmed that this should not have any effect on her ability to develop
that property, but as the property develops and the road is continued, the addition will be more
noticeable.
Councilmember Sanschagrin asked what Planning Director Darling's biggest concern had been
with this request.
Planning Director Darling explained that her biggest concern was having a portion of living area
that close to the north property line and moving forward from the house going that close to the
street. She noted that she feels it will be a departure from the rest of the homes in the area which
are set back a bit further.
Councilmember Sanschagrin asked if that concern was mitigated a bit because the home was at
the end of the street.
Planning Director Darling noted that the home is at the end of the street now but would not be in
the future.
Councilmember Callies asked for details on the current location of the home.
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Planning Director Darling explained that with the new porch, it would be nine feet in one portion
and there is a six foot covered porch area.
Councilmember Sanschagrin asked if anyone in the area had expressed concerns about their
plans.
Councilmember Zerby noted that there had been two letters in support but did not think they had
given their addresses.
Planning Director Darling confirmed that the two letters were from neighbors that were close to
this property.
Ben Vanderheyden, 5995 Glencoe Road, stated that the neighbor to his north is Jeff Colby at
5985 Glencoe Road who had e-mailed a letter and stated that he had no concerns with the
cantilever that would move things closer to his home. He explained that the other letter was from
James Loffler at 5980 Glencoe Road which is across the street.
Councilmember Zerby stated that he sees staff recommendation for approval as well as from the
Planning Commission. He stated that he thinks this will be a nice addition to the neighborhood
and the request is within reason and noted that he thinks it is almost better that it will be more
forward because of the church property.
Councilmember Maddy stated that if you just read the packet that talks about a two foot setback
it seems crazy, but then there are letters of support from the neighbors, so with everyone in
support he would also support granting this variance request.
Mayor Labadie stated that she had the same thoughts when she had initially read the packet and
noted that a variance for one property does not necessarily set a precedent for other properties
because they are considered on an individual basis in a case by case manner. She stated that
she thinks this request makes sense and will make things more aesthetic and livable.
Councilmember Callies explained that she agreed, in general, but would say that discussing
neighbors that agree or do not agree with a request, that can be difficult because they could get
into a situation where it meetings zoning code but the neighbors do not like it, and it would not be
an appropriate decision for the Council to make just because the neighbors did not like it.
Councilmember Maddy stated that he agreed and noted that nobody wants to get their neighbor
mad at them by not supporting a project.
Councilmember Callies asked the applicant if they could make changes without the cantilever.
Mr. Vanderheyden explained that the original plans that were submitted shows the dining table
between the island and the dry bar which is not where it is located because it just leaves one foot
of space. He stated that they put their table in the northeast corner by the window and explained
that they feel the cantilever is something that is essential to the project because it will dramatically
improve the functionality of the space because the home does not have a designated dining area.
He stated that they felt this was the only way to get a mud room and a dining area in a tasteful
manner without having to redesign what they had already renovated.
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Zerby moved, Labadie seconded, Adopting RESOLUTION NO. 24-007, "A Resolution
Approving Variances to Front and Side -Yard Setbacks for Property Located at 5995
Glencoe Road."
Motion passed.
7. ENGINEERING/PUBLIC WORKS
A. Authorizing Preparation of Final Plans for 2024 Mill & Overlay and Smithtown
Drainage Improvement, City Project 24-01
City Engineer Budde outlined the request for the preparation of final plans for the 2024 Mill and
Overlay and Smithtown Drainage Improvement projects. He explained that the mill and overlay
projects are proposed to be: Boulder Circle; Church Road; Murray Street; Murray Court; Bracketts
Road; Lilac Lane; Spruce Hill Court; Oak View Court; Maple Street; Chestnut Court; and Whitney
Circle. He noted that it will be paired with looking at drainage along various areas of Smithtown
road. He reviewed details of the overall project budget which includes construction costs and
administration.
Councilmember Sanschagrin asked how the potential variables described by City Engineer Budde
would impact the budget amounts and asked for the worst case scenario.
City Engineer Budde explained that the worst case scenario is that there are more things than
they anticipate and end up over budget which could potentially mean cutting some streets out of
the project. He noted that if that needed to happen, staff has identified which streets that would
be which are Chestnut Court and Whitney Circle. He stated that if the culvert work for the
Smithtown Drainage improvements end up costing more than budgeted, they will probably have
to cut out an intersection or two and then roll it into a future project.
Councilmember Sanschagrin stated that some of this work is in response to complaints the City
had received about people driving over the corners of curbs.
City Engineer Budde agreed and gave the example of this happening at Howard's Point Road.
Councilmember Maddy stated that a lot of the work along Smithtown is relatively newly installed
drainage infrastructure. He asked if the City had done something wrong ten years ago when this
was initially done or if it was just normal upkeep of the drainage infrastructure.
City Engineer Budde stated that the one he is aware of at Ayrshire and Smithtown Road there are
some pedestrian improvements there that are usually a big puddle of water and believes that
things could have been done better in the past to help avoid that. He stated that there are very
subtle grades throughout the area, so he is not sure if it was a design issue or a construction
issue, but it does end up being the sag/low point of Smithtown Road. He clarified that he was not
around at the time this work was completed but assured the Council they would try to find a
solution to this problem.
Callies moved, Sanschagrin seconded, Adopting RESOLUTION NO.24-008, "A Resolution
to Prepare Final Plans and Specifications for 2024 Mill and Overlay and Smithtown Road
Drainage Improvements, City Project 24-01."
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Motion passed.
8. GENERAL/NEW BUSINESS
A. Approve Park/Recreation Director Recruitment
City Clerk/HR Director Thone stated that at the January 8, 2024 meeting, the Council asked staff
to consider changes to the job description, possibly the title, as well as the recruitment plan. She
reviewed the differences between the title and duties between a Director and a Manager. She
noted that history of this position within Shorewood, current directors at the City and their
responsibilities, and past recruitment efforts. She noted that during the last recruitment process
they found many candidates were drawn to the `Director' title so they felt it was very beneficial to
the recruitment process and also ended up with a highly talented candidate pool. She briefly
reviewed the job descriptions and salary ranges she had gotten for the Park/Recreation Manager
and Park/Recreation Director positions at local metro cities. She reminded the Council that the
City had just completed a compensation study where the Park and Recreation Director position
was identified as one that needed to be reclassified and reviewed some of things considered in
the study and the results.
Councilmember Zerby explained that he is still a bit stuck on the Manager versus Director issue
and noted that when he thinks of a director, he thinks of a much larger enterprise than the
community center is currently. He stated that the job description begins with the primary objectives
of providing leadership which makes it feel like it is more of a high level position and less one
where the expectation is that they will roll up their sleeves and get their hands dirty. He suggested
that they remove the words `leadership' and `in' which should fix that part. He noted that the
budgets for this position are smaller than most of the other directors in the City. He stated that he
does not care what they actually call the position and appreciated most the changes that have
been made and are well laid out.
Councilmember Callies stated that to her, as they were describing the duties and tasks, it looked
like they would fit better as more of a Manager and not a Director. She stated that this position
supervises a lot of part-time employees and staff and not other Managers which seems to be one
of the critical differences when you look at a description of what a Director does as outlined on
the first page of the report. She asked if this position, if it was changed to a Manager would still
report to City Administrator Nevinski, but could also see the Planning Director Position changed
into something like a Community Development Director and then the Park and Recreation
Manager could report to that position. She asked who had done the budgeting and strategic
planning prior to hiring former Park and Recreation Director Crossfield.
Planning Director Darling stated that former Park and Recreation Director Grout had taken care
of those duties.
Councilmember Callies asked if the title for her position had been Director.
City Clerk/HR Director Thone stated that her title was Park and Recreation Director/Community
Center Director.
Councilmember Callies stated that she would agree that the City got qualified candidates the last
time this position was advertised but felt that they would also get qualified candidates if it were
advertised as a Manager position. She expressed concern that if the City calls this position
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Director that they are over describing the position and then the candidate will not be happy in the
position because it really is not that sophisticated of a role.
Mayor Labadie stated that she agreed with the comments that have already been made related
to the descriptions and the actual job. She stated that she agreed that it would be more
appropriate in the Manager category.
Councilmember Callies asked City Administrator Nevinski his opinion on having a Manager rather
than a Director reporting to him.
City Administrator Nevinski stated that he did not think the title was really that important in terms
of reporting. He stated that does think the Council has discussed some interesting ideas, for
example shifting in other departments and change that structure, but feels that will need some
additional conversations about the possibilities of adding more support staff if they are considering
adding more duties to the Directors with the potential shift as suggested in moving this position
under one of the other Department Heads. He noted that the simplest and easiest thing to do right
now would be to change the title to Manager and keep the reporting structure and hierarchy as it
currently is.
Councilmember Callies clarified that her comment was not meant to suggest that the City
reorganize the whole City structure tomorrow, but wanted them to keep it in mind for future
planning purposes.
Mayor Labadie clarified that her comment was just meant to support a change in title to Manager,
but not change the duties or reporting structure at all.
Councilmember Sanschagrin stated that he was also in support of changing the title for this
position to Manager.
Councilmember Zerby stated that he agreed and felt the job description was well laid out but
reiterated his suggestion to remove the word `leadership' and `in' within the first sentence.
Callies moved, Zerby seconded, to Approve the Park and Recreation Manager recruitment
and the new job description and title.
All in favor. Motion passed.
B. Approval of Contract with Abdo Financial Services (formerly item 2.D. on the
Consent Agenda)
Councilmember Sanschagrin explained that he was not opposed to this contract but had wanted
to make sure that the City is going in with their eyes wide open in terms of the importance of this
role for the City's governance, the need to ensure that the City maintains auditor independence,
and its budget implications.
City Administrator Nevinski stated that this is obviously a very important position and former
Finance Director Rigdon gave the City good, quality work and the City relied very heavily on him
and he will be missed, but this space needs to be filled with someone that understands
government accounting for a City like Shorewood. He stated that he believes bringing in a
consultant, such as Abdo, in an interim capacity will be helpful and important. He explained that
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he would take over the management duties for this position such as authorizing payments to
vendors. Henoted that he believed one ofthe concerns expressed isthat Abdo iSalso the Qb/'S
auditor and noted that he had also asked about that early on in their discussions about how that
would work. He explained that these are two separate entities so the people that dothe auditing
work for one onnop8ny and the different people that would offer this service to the City work for a
different company, although the overall ownership is the same. He stated that he had C3||ed
around 8bit t0see ifthere was anybody else that offered this type ofservice and found that there
really were not many options available. He explained that hewas hopeful that the interim needs
will be short term and the City will be able to fill this role with 8 permanent staff member. He stated
that staff was nsnornnneDdiDg 8pp[Ov8| of the COntnSCt with Abdo Financial Services, but noted a
date within paragraph two that needed to be changed from K88rCh 31' 2022to September 30.
2024 in order to nn8tCh the proposal date. He noted that J88D McGann from Abdo was present
on-line ifthe Council had additional questions.
Councilmember Callies stated that she had similar questions as those raised by Councilmember
SansCheghn regarding the issue of the separation of the two functions and companies and how
iiisensured.
Jean McGann, Abdo explained that as they look at 2023, that is work that was completed by Mr.
Rigdon and City staff. She stated that as they move into 2024' one of their biggest dliDQS is that
they do not want to make management decisions and feel it is important that those are handled
by the City. She stated that asthey move forward with services, things such 88the approval Of
invoices would need to be nl8n8g8d by City Administrator Nevinaki. She stated that the journal
entries for doing the market analysis On investments would be prepared by Abdo, but would be
approved by the City Administrator. She stated that all the work they would be doing would
absolutely be reviewed and approved by City management and City staff would also be making
all management decisions.
City Administrator Nevnnki stated that this S8[n8 type Of arrangement does occur in Other
communities and stated that Savage, Corcoran, Excelsior, and Olivia have all availed themselves
bzthis same type 0farrangement inthe past.
Councilmember Sanschagrinexmlained that he had previously worked for 8CPA firm and one Of
the things that was drilled into their heads was that an auditor must be independent in fact and in
appearance. He stated that he f88|S the 8pp8@nRnCe of separation of powers will be hard work to
maintain and suggested that they will need to keep their eyes on this situation. He asked about
the potential irnpeoL to the budge[ and asked if this service vvoU|d cost $10.000415,000 per
month.
City Administrator Nevinskiagreed that was the current amount that they were projecting 3Gthey
are prepping for the audits so the nOSt may go up 8 bit but reiterated that Mr. RigdOn has left the
City is a good position and feels that those costs should be able to minimized.
Councilmember Sanschagrin asked what the plan would be for covering these additional costs.
City Administrator N*vinsNstated that they have the ability to draw from reserves and also have
the funds from the Finance Director salary that will be available without someone in that position.
He explained that he is hopeful that any budget impact with be neutral or [DiOiDl3| in the end.
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Abdo Financial Services, with the date revised from March 31, 2022 to September 30, 2024.
All in favor. Motion passed.
9. STAFF AND COUNCIL REPORTS
A. Staff
Communications/Website Update
Communications Coordinator Wilson highlighted the City's communication efforts throughout
2023 for website analytics, email communications, social media, and the Shore Report. He noted
that since his last presentation regarding the website update, the layout and colors have been
approved and they are working on migrating content. He stated that there is a notice on the
website to let people know that changes were being made and if they cannot find something to
let City staff know. He explained that he expects the design concept to be approved by mid -
February.
Councilmember Zerby asked if the Council would have access to the website at the same time
as City staff does.
Communications Coordinator Wilson confirmed that the Council would also have access at the
upcoming retreat.
2. Response to Sand/Salt Question
Public Works Director Morreim gave a brief response to the question that was raised during
Matters from the Floor at the January 8, 2024 City Council meeting. He explained that the City
would be changing materials and primarily using salt with sand used in colder conditions when
salt does not work as well. He noted that in the past the City was using a mixture of 60% sand
and 40% salt so they were already using a fair amount of salt in the past. He explained that sand
is really a temporary traction measure and does not really have any other benefits to the
roadways. He reviewed the ways the City plans to focus on minimizing the use of salt and
explained some of the new equipment that has been implemented and noted the use of liquid
brine. He stated that this has been a fairly mild winter so, in general, they are using less materials
overall. He explained that the City understands the important of fresh water and their overall plan
is to use less salt.
Councilmember Zerby stated that he felt this was very interesting information and felt like it was
probably a good idea for the City to use the new salt treatments for the light dustings of snow that
they have gotten. He asked if GPS could ever come into play similar to what farmers have started
using to apply fertilizer in different parts of their field in different amounts based on the soil
conditions.
Public Works Director Morreim stated that there are product that do that, but cautioned that they
are extremely expensive and he did not feel the City would get their money's worth out of it.
3. Response to Conflict of Interest Claims
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City Administrator Nevinski explained that he and City Attorney Shepherd had collaborated on
the response to the conflict of interest claims related to City Engineer Budde that were raised at
the January 9, 2024 meeting. He stated that it is fairly common for cities to use consultant
engineers and the cities that have engineers on staff tend to be larger cities. He explained that
the City made a change from the prior consulting firm of WSB to Bolton & Menk in 2019 following
the RFP process. He explained that the contract had been reviewed at the end of 2022 and
renewed for another three year period. He explained that there are an estimated four -hundred
fifty cities that utilize consulting engineer in a way that is similar to what Shorewood has been
doing with eighty-four cities, who are mainly larger than Shorewood, have at least one engineer
on staff. He noted that most cities that have staff engineers end up hiring consulting engineers to
complete some of their work as well. He stated that believes that there is a question of how the
City Engineer is accountable and where the checks and balances existed in the process. He gave
a brief explanation, shared examples, and noted that ultimately, it is the Council's decision and
the Council's authority to enter into contracts and expend funds. He noted that some of the
concerns raised at the last meeting were specifically related to Eureka Road and assured the
Council that no design was being done and what has been presented were just examples of some
of the details and possibilities.
Councilmember Zerby stated that the questions that he noticed in the email were related to things
like the conflict of interest being the engineering firm that appears to have won construction bids.
He stated that the City's engineers do not build the roads and the City bids them out and are
required to choose the lowest responsible bidder. He clarified that Bolton & Menk has nothing to
do with the construction and are supervising the process for the City. He noted that there was
also a question of whether the City Engineer was paid by Bolton & Menk or the City.
City Administrator Nevinski explained that the City Engineer is a consultant, so the City pays a
consulting fee to Bolton & Menk, who then turns around and pays City Engineer Budde, who is
not a City employee.
Councilmember Zerby noted that the e-mail also made a statement about over engineering
projects and he believes that is something that can be subjective about what is over engineered
and what is not. He explained that when the City had hired Bolton & Menk they felt that they were
a very reputable company and shared that one of the issues he personally had with WSB is that
they did not really admit to their mistakes which resulted in the City essentially paying for the
engineering twice. He stated that he had only been back on the Council for a few months, but
believes the decision to make the change to Bolton & Menk has played out positively.
Mayor Labadie stated that she was also on the Council when the City utilized WSB and would
agree that the shift to Bolton & Menk has been a good shift for the City. She stated that she would
agree with the examples given by Councilmember Zerby that there were mistakes made by WSB
that ended up costing the City and they have not had that issue since working the Bolton & Menk.
Councilmember Callies stated that to her, the use of the term over -engineering, she felt that any
consultant's responsibility is to come up with options and then the client can choose. She stated
that unless the City specifically tells them to give us the cheapest option and not bother with
anything else, because she as a Councilmember wants to know what all the options and price
points are so they can make informed choices. She stated that if something is in the CIP, that is
a direction to the consultant. She noted that specific to the Eureka Road project, she would like
to be present for the discussion and vote because it is significant and asked the Council to
consider moving that to a meeting where the full Council will be present.
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Councilmember Zerby agreed that the Eureka Road topic should probably be extended to
sometime in March.
Mayor Labadie agreed that having the full Council present for that discussion is important and
would have no opposition to moving that discussion to March.
City Administrator Nevinski reviewed the possible meeting dates in March.
There was consensus of the Council to schedule the discussion for Eureka Road for March
25, 2024.
Mayor Labadie asked the residents that were still present to begin spreading the word to others
about the plans to discuss Eureka Road on March 25, 2024 and noted that the City will also
communicate it in the normal fashion.
Other
Public Works Director Morreim stated that they have just been doing general maintenance
including tree trimming and working on park bathrooms. He stated that there was ice at Cathcart
and Manor Parks, but has a feeling that the ice may be going away with the upcoming weather
and encouraged residents to enjoy it while they can. He noted that this may be a very short season
because he thinks that this may be the end of the ice for the year.
Planning Director Darling stated that they had asked for Council authorization to submit a request
for the capital budget bonding for the Mill Street Trail and Watermain project. She stated that the
governor had submitted his 2024 strategic capital budget to the legislature on January 16, 2024
and Shorewood's project was included. She noted that they should hear by the end of May
whether this project will receive bonding.
City Clerk/HR Director Thone stated that early voting at City Hall began last Friday and they have
had one voter thus far. She explained that this is an opportunity to claw back your ballot before
direct balloting begins which is February 16, 2024. She explained that the City had been notified
by the County late last week that it looked like there were enough candidates for the District 6
Commissioner race so they will have to hold a primary on April 30, 2024 for the May 14, 2024
election which means there will be five elections this year.
City Administrator Nevinski stated that Arctic Fever was held February 19, 2024 which was a pivot
from past years. He stated that there were about one -hundred people that showed up and felt it
was a nice event and shared some of the various events and activities that took place. He
expressed his appreciation to City staff and volunteers for devoting time to this event. He thanked
sponsors of the event including: Minnesota Inboard; Boba Tonka Bubble Tea; Soda Sims Golf;
Roots and Wings; New Horizon; Joey Nova's; Excelsior Brewing; Bolton & Menk; Mediacom;
Arcus Events; and Excelsior Legion Post #259.
B. Mayor and City Council
Councilmember Maddy stated that he wanted to echo the thanks for City staff and the volunteers
for their work on Arctic Fever.
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Councilmember Callies stated that she and her husband volunteered at Arctic Fever and found
that the tater tot hotdish pizza was a big hit.
Mayor Labadie expressed her appreciation to the City's ice rink attendants and noted that they
are fully staffed even though this may be a short season. She stated that it is a great job for middle
school/high school/college kids.
10. ADJOURN
Maddy moved, Sanschagrin seconded, Adjourning the City Council Regular Meeting of
January 22, 2024, at 9:53 P.M.