05-28-24 CC Reg Mtg MinutesCITY OF SHOREWOOD
CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING
TUESDAY, MAY 28, 2024
MINUTES
1. CONVENE CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING
5755 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
7:00 P.M.
Mayor Labadie called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M.
A. Pledge of Allegiance
B. Roll Call
Present. Mayor Labadie; Councilmembers Callies, Maddy, Sanschagrin, and Zerby; City
Attorney Shepherd; City Administrator Nevinski; City Clerk/HR Director Thone;
Planning Director Darling; Director of Public Works Morreim; Park and Recreation
Manager Czech; and, City Engineer Budde
Absent: None
C. Review Agenda
Mayor Labadie stated that she would like to request that item 2. 1. be moved to the regular agenda
as item 5. A.
Zerby moved, Maddy seconded, approving the agenda, as amended.
Motion passed.
2. CONSENT AGENDA
Mayor Labadie reviewed the items on the Consent Agenda.
Councilmember Zerby explained that for item H, he wanted to commend City staff with relation
for their choice to clean the water tower which he felt was a better option than just painting it.
Callies moved, Sanschagrin seconded, Approving the Motions Contained on the Consent
Agenda and Adopting the Resolutions Therein.
A. City Council Work Session Meeting Minutes of May 13, 2024
B. City Council Regular Meeting Minutes of May 13, 2024
C. Approval of the Verified Claims List
A Approve Data Practices Policy Annual Update, Adopting RESOLUTION NO.
24-035, "2024 City Data Practices Policies."
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E. Approve LAX Net Donation, Adopting RESOLUTION NO. 24-036, "A
Resolution Accepting a LAX Net Donation from Minnetonka Lacrosse
Association."
F. Authorize Execution of Service Agreement with Hennepin County or
Nearmap Technology Information, Adopting RESOLUTION NO. 24-037, "A
Resolution Authorizing Execution of a User Agreement with Hennepin
County for Nearmap Technology Information."
G. Re -Approve Variance to Expand a Non -conforming Home located at 20980
Ivy Lane, Adopting RESOLUTION NO. 24-038, "A Resolution Approving
Variances to Front and Side -Yard Setbacks to Expand a Nonconforming
Home for a Property Located at 20980 Ivy Lane."
H. Accept Quotes and Award Contract for Water Tower Cleaning, City Project
24-05, Adopting RESOLUTION NO. 24-039, "A Resolution to Accept Quotes
and Award Contract for Water Tower Cleaning."
I. AppFeve Amplified Musir. in FFeeman Park,
840, (moved to agenda item 5.A.)
Motion passed.
3. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR
Jeff Fox 5270 Howards Point noted that he was a seventy year resident of the City with the last
thirty-nine years spent at this address. He stated that he was here to make comments regarding
agenda item 7.A. and explained that he was extremely concerned about approving an
encroachment agreement because of the potential safety issues of everyone who uses this
roadway. He stated that this is one the most narrow points of Howards Point and there is also an
inverted incline that already has restricted views. He stated that he was surprised that this did not
fall under a variance request which would mean that the applicant would have to explain what
hardship was present for the City to consider their request. He stated that he had reached out to
the nine neighbors to his north, and seven of them indicated that they planned to send a letter to
the City about this request. He reiterated that the issue that he has the most concern with was
the safety of anyone that uses the road. He stated that if the City agrees to the proposed
encroachment agreement, he would like to know who will maintain and trim the trees every year.
He stated that there was no benefit for the residents or the community and appeared to be so the
homeowner could just keep their existing set-up.
John F Heeley, 26040 Shorewood Oaks Drive, stated that he was here to tonight to speak for
himself as well as Joel Smith who lives in at 26020 Shorewood Oaks Drive. He explained that he
wanted to discuss the music in the park issue with the Council. He stated that over the years, the
Minnetonka Baseball Association has shown a callous indifference and disregard for the
neighbors who live in Shorewood Oaks and Shorewood Ponds. He stated that they create so
much noise that there have been times that they had to actually close all their doors and windows
in order to have a quiet meal. He stated that they have been known to leave all sort of trash on
Fields #1, #2, and #3 and also walk on neighborhood property with impunity. He noted that they
also drive on the pedestrian walkways and stated that he and his wife witnessed a father have his
child get out of the car, move the cones out of the way, and drive on the walking just leaving the
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cones just scattered. He stated that the Association also allows their players to use this walkway
to hit balls into Shorewood Ponds, and use the woods as a bathroom. He stated that they have
also torn down the handicap signs so people can park in those spots. He explained that the
Minnetonka Baseball Association now wants to play music every time they get on the field and
noted that they are playing music tonight before the Council has even made a decision. He stated
that he feels the situation is a joke and noted that not even professional teams have walk-up
music during practices and asked who would be responsible for enforcing this action. He stated
that he felt that the Minnetonka Baseball association has taken advantage of the City and the
neighborhood for years.
Barry Brown, 6050 Burlwood Court, stated that he has continued to research buckthorn removal
at Freeman Park without using dangerous chemicals. He stated there was a recent University of
Minnesota article which stated that two separate research teams from the Department of Plant
Pathology had received funding from the Minnesota Invasive Terrestrial Plants and Pests Center
to study how crown rust colonizes and kills buckthorn. He gave a brief explanation of what crown
rust is and how it has been used. He stated that the City has crown rust on plants in Freeman
Park and noted that he had submitted samples from the park to the researchers for their analysis.
He suggested that the City monitor this research and also rely on Mike Schuster and others from
the University of Minnesota for additional insights. He stated that Minneapolis Parks Commission
released its 2024 Integrated Pest Management guide after eight years of discussion. He explained
that they had classified areas in their parks as 100% no pesticide zones including playgrounds,
exercise equipment, athletic fields, dog parks, picnic areas, and community gardens. He stated
that rather than pesticide use, they will be using cutting, mowing, and hand pulling methods. He
noted that the Shorewood Citizens Advocate had published an article he wrote about his vision
for Freeman Woods. He explained that he had asked them to publish this information after the
administration at the City had refused his request to present his vision to the City Council. He
stated that this was the second time he had been refused the opportunity to give a presentation
to the Council and explained that his purpose has always been to educate, improve operational
efficiencies, and save taxpayer money, which cannot be accomplished in three minutes during
Matters from the Floor. He explained that he had been baffled when a resident recently came to
the Council and asked them for a $25,000 donation to a worthy cause and was allowed to go over
the three minute speaking limit without getting interrupted or cut-off like most of the residents do.
He stated that this particular individual was even invited back to give a full presentation to the
Council. He asked the Council to help him help the community and noted that his article could be
read at www.shorewoodcitizensadvocate.com. He handed his research information to City staff.
Mayor Labadie asked City Administrator Nevinski to make sure that copies of Mr. Brown's
information was distributed to the full Council.
Alan Yelsey, 26335 Peach Circle, asked if the Council was planning to have a discussion
regarding the Data Practices Act.
Mayor Labadie explained that she was not sure what Mr. Yelsey was referring to.
Mr. Yelsey stated that there was an item on tonight's agenda related to the Data Practices Act
document.
City Administrator Nevinski stated that item was on the Consent Agenda.
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Mayor Labadie confirmed this was item 2.D. on the Consent Agenda, which had already been
approved.
Mr. Yelsey stated that means that it was voted on without discussion. He explained that he
supported the comments and feedback given by the three individuals who had already spoken
during Matters from the Floor. He stated that with relation to data practices, he felt that the City
has continued its outrageous, illegal, and undemocratic practices regarding public access to the
publics own data. He explained that State law says that all towns shall make and preserve all
records necessary to a full and accurate knowledge of their official activities. He stated that the
City has failed this test and the Council does not seem to give a damn about it. He noted that he
felt that the City deliberately misrepresented State law regarding free inspection of data and
quoted a portion of the language from the law. He explained that the City does not follow this
practice and, in his opinion, are doing something that is illegal. He stated that because of this, he
would ask the Council to retract their approval related to data practices. He stated that he cannot
find any of the basic data that many of the residents need to understand the government on the
City's website. He stated that he felt that the City deliberately refused to post the most useful
compiled and organized data, project budgets, costs, and major contracts which means that the
residents have no choice but to make formal data requests. He stated that the City charged two -
thousand dollars for him to get data on the projects happening in the City that were costing the
City twenty million dollars, which he felt was absurd. He stated that he felt the City withholds data,
denies free remote inspection of electronic data and penalizes residents by charging them
thousands of dollars for this information. He urged the City Council not to approve the current
Data Practices document and not deny the residents the right to their own data and oversight nor
to dishonor the veterans and citizens by deliberately weakening the democracy and their free
speech rights.
Mary Idle, 6120 Pondview Drive, stated that she echoed the comments made by Mr. Heeley
regarding the noise from the ballfields. She stated that he is correct that it is already noisy without
any music and would appreciate if the Council would reconsider approving their request for music.
Mayor Labadie noted that there has not been a decision made regarding the music issues at the
park.
4. REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS
A. 2023 Auditor's Report
City Administrator Nevinski introduced Justin Nilson from Abdo to present the 2023 Auditor's
Report.
Justin Nilson, Abdo, expressed his appreciation to the City staff for all their help with the audit
process. He stated that they had issued a clean/unmodified opinion and had found no internal
control or legal compliance findings for the City. He reviewed General Fund to future budget,
budget to actual, revenues and expenditures, special revenue fund balance, and debt service
funds.
City Administrator Nevinski explained that the audit materials had been linked within the City
packet and the presentation would be accessible to the public on the screens in the Council
Chambers and online. Staff worked through the technicalities for presenting the slide
presentation.
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Mayor Labadie stated that while staff was working on resolving the technical issue she wanted to
thank the American Legion and the VFW for the work to host the Memorial Day celebration for
the area. City Administrator Nevinski stated that the information was ready for viewing. Mayor
Labadie apologized for the technical difficulty.
Mr. Nilson continued his presentation and reviewed capital project fund balance, water fund,
sewer fund, stormwater management utility fund, recycle fund, cash/investment balances and
gave an overview of key performance indicators related to taxes, debt, and expenditures.
Councilmember Sanschagrin stated that Mr. Nilson had mentioned that the City has a target of
debt at sixty percent of revenue.
Mr. Nilson clarified that there is a fund balance policy of sixty percent of the City's future year
General Fund expenditures and explained that he did not think it had anything to do with debt.
Councilmember Sanschagrin asked how this compared with other cities that Abdo worked with.
Mr. Nilson stated that every city has their own story and noted that it depended a bit on city
philosophy. He stated that in his experience, he has probably seen more cities in the forty to fifty
percent range for their fund balance policies and explained some of the variations he had seen.
He stated that Shorewood has a minimum of sixty so from a `minimum' perspective, it is a bit
higher than other cities.
Councilmember Sanschagrin stated that he believed that Mr. Nilson had said that the City had
actually been at ninety percent for a few years and asked if that meant the City would potentially
have excess cash that they would need to plan for within their budgeting.
Mr. Nilson stated that could not comment on that and explained that the City just had ninety
percent as compared to sixty percent.
Councilmember Zerby noted that one thing he was pleased to see was that there were `no
findings' and stated that he thinks findings would be better described as `red flags'. He stated that
the audit did not find any, which he felt was a testament to the City staff and finance team.
Councilmember Sanschagrin asked if Mr. Nilson had seen any concerns, for example, within the
Enterprise Funds.
Mr. Nilson stated that based on his knowledge from doing the audit for the last few years, the City
has had a lot of capital activity over the last few years in the Enterprise Funds. He stated that he
could not comment about specific concerns but would say that he would recommend that they
continue to focus on the capital improvement plan and tie in the related expenditures for the future
and pay off the debt.
Mayor Labadie apologized for the technical issues that they had at the beginning of the
presentation and reminded residents that there is a link to the information on-line.
Maddy moved, Zerby seconded, to Accept the 2023 Annual Comprehensive Financial
Report, as presented.
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Motion passed.
5. PARKS
A. Approve Amplified Music in Freeman Park (formerly item 2.1. of the Consent
Agenda)
Park and Recreation Manager Czech explained that the Minnetonka Baseball Association has
requested that they be allowed to play walk-up music as well as music between innings during
their tournament scheduled for June 7-8, 2024 in Freeman Park. He stated that along with this
request, they have also asked that coaches be permitted to utilize amplified music during games
or practices throughout the year. He explained that their intent was to enhance the atmosphere
of the games and practices but not to be a nuisance or be harmful to the neighborhood. He stated
that the intent was not to bring out large, loud speakers and would primarily be using small, blue -
tooth type speakers. He stated that Minnetonka Baseball Association has indicated that if the City
decided not to let them have amplified music for the entirety of their season, they would appreciate
if it is allowed for their big tournament on June 7-8, 2024.
Councilmember Callies stated that her understanding of the decibel levels was that they are
notoriously difficult to monitor. She noted that she felt it was important to have this language within
the resolution, but for practical purposes it was not really meaningful.
Park and Recreation Manager Czech stated that he would agree and noted that he had consulted
with a number of different cities and it appears as though some have decibel limits in place, but it
is hard to enforce. He stated that they had included it in the language so they would at least have
some form of measurement and not simply use a phrase such as, `kept to a reasonable level'.
Councilmember Callies asked how this would be monitored and enforced.
Park and Recreation Manager Czech stated that if the City moved forward and gave this a trial
run for the tournament, he would be willing to be available via phone so if there were issues, he
could stop by or connect with representatives from the Minnetonka Baseball Association to get
the music shut down.
Councilmember Zerby asked if the Park Commission had weighed in on this request.
Park and Recreation Manager Czech stated that the Park Commission had not weighed in on this
request. He explained that he began his position about a month ago and they had not held a
meeting since that time.
Councilmember Zerby stated that without having the Park Commission involved, he could not
support this request.
Mayor Labadie stated that she agreed and also could not support this action. She noted that
comparing this particular park with other cities parks is not accurate because Freeman Park is
right in the middle of a residential area.
Councilmember Maddy stated that he believes that the Minnetonka Baseball Association had won
some sort of contest and the St. Paul Saints came out and had a one day music/fun event, which
he thought was completely acceptable. He explained that he imagined that this was similar to
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what they want for their tournament. He noted that the tournament will take place prior to the next
City Council meeting. He stated that his feeling from the Council is that they do not want to grant
them permission to have an entire season worth of noise making capabilities and asked if there
may be a way to modify this and allow them to have some noise at their tournament in June.
Councilmember Sanschagrin stated that he was hearing that there are a lot of existing issues with
things right now, so he would rather not move in that direction, until those issues have been
resolved.
Mayor Labadie noted that Councilmember Maddy could make a modified motion and if there is a
second they would then put it to a vote.
Maddy moved, Callies seconded, Adopting RESOLUTION NO. 24-040, "A Resolution
Approving Amplified Music for Minnetonka Baseball Association Events for the 2024
Season,", but striking `along with the association sponsored games, practices, and
tournaments for the 2024 season on Fields 1, 2, and 3, and change the language in item #2
to state `Amplified music must be restricted to reasonable volume levels', and strike the
remainder of the language in that item.
Mayor Labadie stated that she would be concerned about enforcing this because it will take place
on a weekend, after-hours.
Councilmembers Maddyand Callies. Nays: Mayor Labadieand CouZerby and Sanschagrin. Motion failed 2-3.
ncilmembers
6. PLANNING
A. Report by Commissioner Huskins on May 7, 2024 Planning Commission
Meeting
Planning Commission Huskins gave a brief summary of the May 7, 2024 Planning Commission
discussion and recommendations.
Councilmember Sanschagrin noted that the meeting minutes made mention of lights being full
cut-off and asked what that meant.
Planning Director Darling explained that full cut-off lights means that the light beam goes straight
down and does not spread out.
Councilmember Maddy stated that the definition that most manufacturers use is that nothing can
go up because lights to have to spread out a little bit.
B. PUBLIC HEARING: Vacation of Easement
Location: 24880 Bentgrass Way
Petitioners: Kelly and Matthew Pedersen
Planning Director Darling explained that the applicants have proposed a partial vacation of a
drainage and utility easement behind their home so they can build a pool and patio. She reviewed
the current easement location and explained that it had originally been set up to drain to the east
and they were proposing to alter this to drain to the west and over to the catch basin. She stated
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that staff would like the Council to open the public hearing and take any testimony that may be
provided, but asked that they continue this item without closing the public hearing, so staff has
time to increase the notice area for this application. She stated that the request from staff is for
the Council to continue this public hearing to the June 10, 2024 City Council meeting.
Mayor Labadie opened the Public Hearing at 8:03 p.m.
Patrick Jacobson, 24520 Bentgrass Way, stated he was a neighbor to the subject property and
was also a builder in the area, so he was familiar with drainage, grading, and what those could
mean to adjacent properties and environments. He explained that he had reviewed all of the
information and stated that he did not see any reason that the Council should not to approve this
request. He stated that the homeowners are currently out of town and he wanted to speak on their
behalf and shared that the Pedersen's were frustrated that this would be continued in order to
notify other individuals because they had met all the City deadlines for the information and had
the expectation that it would be voted on tonight.
Councilmember Maddy asked if the City had met all the statutory requirements in this situation
and if the City's hands were essentially tied regarding moving this forward tonight.
Planning Director Darling stated that she believed that their hands were tied regarding moving
this tonight. She explained that in consultation with the City Attorney, they found that they needed
to widen the notice area for this application.
Zerby moved, Maddy seconded, to continue the public hearing for Vacation of Easement
located at 24880 Bentgrass Way for Kelly and Matthew Pedersen to the June 10, 2024 City
Council meeting.
Motion passed.
C. PUBLIC HEARING: Partial Vacation of Maple Avenue
Location: East side of Maple Avenue
Petitioners: Helgesens, Hashbargers, Laughlin
Planning Director Darling reviewed the request for a partial vacation of Maple Avenue and noted
that this had been submitted by five property owners in the area. She reviewed the current
condition and location of this portion of Maple Avenue and noted that the City currently plows the
gravel driveway up to the edge of the right-of-way for Maple Avenue. She explained that the
petitioners were asking that this portion of Maple Avenue be vacated because of the number of
people that use it as a short cut to the regional trail as well as the delivery trucks who use the
roadway thinking it is a through street and end up getting stuck. She outlined details of the
proposed vacation request.
Patti Helgesen, 6120 Strawberry Lane, stated that the misguided deliveries have been increasing
and the trucks are trying to get to the property located on Church Avenue. She stated that the
most recent truck was from Davey Tree and they had a huge dump truck full of mulch that had to
back out and then attempt to turn. She explained that she had taken pictures of the damages that
occurred which she had submitted to the Council. She stated that she felt there would be a safety
benefit of reducing access onto Strawberry Lane and noted that the offset of Shorewood Oaks
Drive and Maple Avenue is too close together. She noted that the speed people travel on
Strawberry Lane has definitely increased since the improvements were made during the
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reconstruction. She stated that if this was not approved, the plat they were presenting for the
addition on the next agenda item, would be greatly affected. She explained that their Preliminary
Plat shows four lots because they needed to follow the density requirements laid out in the
Comprehensive Plan, but noted that they only want one lot. She stated that their plans take into
account the vacated right-of-way because without it they would not have enough frontage for
three lots without a variance.
Councilmember Sanschagrin asked if this would mean that Maple Avenue would no longer exist.
Planning Director Darling reminded Mayor Labadie that she had not opened the public hearing
yet.
Mayor Labadie opened the public hearing at 8:15 p.m.
Cliff Loughlin, 26505 Maple Avenue, stated that he had gotten a phone call from a representative
of the local government who told him that the City would not continue to maintain or plow Maple
Avenue. He stated that as he had previously stated, this vacation is `partial' and referenced the
location of the fire hydrant. He noted that the State Fire Code says that the fire hydrant has to be
free and accessible at all times. He stated that he did not feel that the Planning or Public Works
Department has the right to make that decision regarding maintenance. He stated that in his
opinion, that authority rested with the City Council and stated that they would request that the City
continue to maintain and plow Maple Avenue.
Paul Helgesen, 6120 Strawberry Lane, stated that he would like to emphasize the safety issue
with the truck traffic who end up having to back up onto Strawberry Lane. He stated that the bigger
trucks have little to no vision and end up backing out onto Strawberry Lane blind. He noted that
the number of trucks coming down the street has been increasing as people use the apps that
direct them onto the road even though it does not connect.
Mayor Labadie closed the Public Hearing at 8:19 p.m.
Councilmember Sanschagrin repeated his earlier question about whether Maple Avenue would
continue as a street.
Planning Director Darling explained that Maple Avenue is a public right-of-way where there is not
a public street that is improved to City standards. She noted that there are a number of driveways
that go through this area that the City does not plow or maintain. She stated that staff was
recommending that the Council consider this situation the same as those situations. She
referenced the aerial photo and pointed out Mr. Loughlin's driveway and the proposed new
connection to Church Road. She stated that the City does not plow the driveway to the north that
is located within a portion of the public right-of-way.
Councilmember Sanschagrin stated that currently there is a sign at the corner of Strawberry and
Maple Avenue and asked if the City would remove the Maple Avenue signage if this was
approved.
Planning Director Darling confirmed that it could be put down on the corner of Church Road.
Councilmember Callies asked to see the picture that showed the boulders.
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Planning Director Darling displayed the picture and explained that it was taken from the
perspective of standing in the Church right-of-way looking down Maple Avenue to the east.
Councilmember Callies asked if the gravel portion shown was the driveway.
Planning Director Darling stated that she believed what was shown in the picture was actually
mulch.
Councilmember Callies asked what the boulders were blocking and asked if the mulch area was
Maple Avenue.
Planning Director Darling stated that the right-of-way area was the mulch which was all in public
right-of-way. She stated that just behind the boulders was the driveway down Maple which then
turns and goes south.
Councilmember Callies stated that right now it was being plowed and maintained and asked how
those trucks were getting there now. She asked if they were coming up the portion of Maple
Avenue that would be vacated.
City Engineer Budde stated that if this was approved, the boulders would go away and the
applicant would have to create a curb cut for the driveway in order to get into the one remaining
home.
Councilmember Callies stated that it sounds like the City does not know why the maintenance
began but noted that it sounds as though it may be hazardous for the City vehicles to be on this
road if it is hazardous for the other trucks to be on the road. She stated that to her, it did not seem
like it would be a good idea to have City maintenance vehicles coming up from Strawberry Lane.
City Engineer Budde stated that when the vehicles pull all the way in to the cul-de-sac thinking
that they can get all the way through is when they have to back all the way out once they get
there.
Councilmember Zerby stated that it would be the same as going down a long private driveway
that does not have a turnaround or hammerhead at the end.
Councilmember Maddy asked what the City's plan was for maintaining access to the hydrant if
the City opts to vacate this area.
Public Director Morreim stated that the City would treat this like most hydrants that are in the
public right-of-way. He explained that, in general, most of the hydrants are accessible and noted
that many times adjacent property owners maintain them, but staff can go out and do it, if
necessary.
Councilmember Zerby asked if there was a reason that the driveway was not relocated when the
cul-de-sac went in.
Planning Director Darling stated that she was not sure and noted that she thought that decision
pre -dated all of the existing staff members.
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K8a. He|geoen stated that in 1991 Church Road was improved and prior to that it was just a dirt
road and there were also nohouses at the end ofi1like there are now.
Councilmember Callies stated that she thinks the proposed vacation made sense.
CalAies moved, K8addy seconded, Adopting "A Resolution
Approving a Partial Vacation ofMaple Avenue."
Motion passed.
Mr. Loughlin asked if approving the vacation nne8n\ that included the maintenance and snow
plowing inthe west end ofMaple Avenue.
Mayor L8bGdiSstated that maintenance was not part ofthe application.
Planning Director Darling clarified that the Council had voted to vacate the roadway and did not
give direction to staff on whether or not it would be acceptable if they stopped plowing.
Councilmember Zerby stated that the resolution language did not include anything about the City's
maintenance Ofplowing OfMaple Avenue.
Mr. Loughlin stated that they were just moving the entrance from Strawberry to Church so, to him,
it did not make sense fOstop the maintenance and snow plowing.
Mayor Labodie reiterated that the issue that was before the Council tonight was simply the
vacation of the east portion of K4Gp|8 Avenue and that was what they voted on. She n[@[8d that
for the maintenance on the west 8nd, that vvQu|d be 8 separate topic which was not part of the
C0unCi|`svote.
Mr. Loughlin asked how the residents could proceed with that issue.
Councilmember Callies stated that she felt it did not make any sense to have a vacated road that
the City still maintains. She stated that if the City v8C8t8S this rOad, therm would not be City
maintenance and noted that from a practical standpoint, her understanding is that the trucks could
not even get there easily.
Mayor Labadieasked City Engineer Budde torepeat what hehad stated regarding the barricades
and the curb.
City Engineer Budde explained that vacating this roadway kind of goes with the presumption that
the next agenda item vvOu|d utilize some of that right-of-way. He stated that an part of that
dave|oprnent, they would have to create e better acC8SS off ofthe Church Road cul-de-sac by
removing the boulders and Sign@ge in order to Create access to the home that currently takes
access off ofMaple Avenue.
Councilmember Callies explained that her personal opinion is that the City should not continue to
domaintenance ofthat section because itissomebody's driveway.
City Engineer Budde stated that was also 3t8f[S consensus and that if the City was going to
vacate the e88enn8nt. they do not want todothe maintenance for the piece that is left. He stated
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that they were recommending that it be treated like a driveway, just as they do for several other
areas throughout the City that have similar circumstances.
Mr. Loughlin stated that they still have a street sign that says Maple Avenue and noted that his
address would not change and would still be listed as being on Maple Avenue. He reiterated his
question about access to the fire hydrant.
Mayor Labadie stated that typically the City was not responsible for fire hydrants and shared an
example of the hydrant in front of her home where she had the responsibility of clearing a path
from the road to the hydrant and also the perimeter around the hydrant.
City Attorney Shepherd stated that the property owners are responsible for ensuring that the fire
hydrant is accessible by the Fire Department. He stated that he thinks the issue in this situation
is that they are kind of doing two things at once. He stated that assuming that the next agenda
item would be approved for the Preliminary and Final Plat, part of that would be making the curb
cut to there is access to the western portion of Maple Avenue. He stated that what he was hearing
from the City Engineer is that this is essentially a glorified driveway and not an improved street.
He stated that the City plows and maintains improved streets.
D. Preliminary and Final Plat Ray Helgesen Addition
Location: 6120 Strawberry Lane
Applicant: Paul and Patti Helgesen
Planning Director Darling gave an overview of the Preliminary and Final Plat application to
subdivide property located at 6120 Strawberry Lane into four lots. She explained that it would be
phased with the first phase subdividing into two lots, with one lot for their son and one lot for their
own home. She reviewed the location of the property, the surrounding land use and zoning,
stormwater and rate control plans, and the initial shared driveway plans during phase one. She
noted that staff and the Planning Commission recommend approval of the application, subject to
the conditions in the attached resolution
Councilmember Zerby asked if the fourth lot would have the same problem that they have now
with relation to delivery trucks going down a long driveway and having to back out onto Strawberry
Lane.
Planning Director Darling stated that they would not have vehicle access to that pathway and with
the vacation of Maple Avenue in the area, it will not show up on the geographic information
systems as a roadway.
Councilmember Zerby asked where an Amazon delivery truck would drop off the package for that
lot.
Planning Director Darling stated that depending on where they build the home, it is likely that they
would access the property on the portion of Maple Avenue that would remain and not be vacated,
so delivery drivers would enter from the Church Road side into the property.
Councilmember Zerby asked if the City would be responsible for maintaining that portion of Maple
Avenue.
Planning Director Darling stated that would not necessarily be the case.
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Councilmember Sanschagrin suggested adding a tenth condition to the resolution that the
applicants would assume responsibility for plowing that section of Maple Avenue.
Planning Director Darling stated that was possible and noted that the Council should also consider
putting in a condition in the resolution that the applicant's provide the curb cut for conforming
driveway access over to Church.
Councilmember Zerby asked if that meant that the emergency response would be reliant on the
homeowners to ensure that it was accessible.
Planning Director Darling stated that was correct.
Mayor Labadie stated that within the staff report were references to other shared driveway
situations and asked if the Council approved this, if it would essentially be creating a similar
situation.
City Engineer Budde stated that if the City vacated it, it would create a similar situation what ones
that already exist and noted that typically those homeowners have a maintenance agreement
among themselves to outline who would be responsible for things like plowing snow.
Councilmember Zerby asked if this home would have a Church Road address or a Strawberry
Lane address.
City Engineer Budde stated that Lot 4 will most likely have a Maple Avenue address.
Councilmember Zerby stated that they have been hearing how trucks get mixed up and go down
Maple Avenue and explained that he was not sure how this was going to help solve that issue.
City Engineer Budde noted that he felt there may be some confusion about the shared driveway
off of Strawberry Lane and explained that the reason that they are shared right now is because
they are only creating two lots. He stated that the existing driveway comes out on Strawberry
Lane and the shared location will be in the same location as the existing driveway. He noted that
the staff report has two references to shared driveways and he believes that may be where some
of the confusion was coming from. He explained that in the future, when this was built out as four
lots, the fourth lot will go out towards Church and have a shared driveway with Mr. Loughlin's lot.
He stated that current plans are for two lots to access off of Strawberry which will also have a
shared driveway for the interim period until they can split the large remaining lot.
Mayor Labadie referenced item #7 from the proposed resolution where it states that the shared
driveways between Lots #1 and #2 shall be removed and conforming driveways built for both lots,
when the new home is constructed on Lot #1 or it is further subdivided, whichever comes first.
City Engineer Budde stated that was correct and explained that the reason the City was allowing
it now was because of the applicant's intent to eventually demolish the existing home and build a
new home which will be the trigger to separate the shared driveways.
Councilmember Callies stated that when this portion of Maple Avenue is vacated it will not
continue to be gravel and will be sodded over, so a truck would not drive on it. She asked if there
was anything in the language about removal of the curb cut from Strawberry to Maple.
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City Engineer Budde stated that there had been some discussion and noted that they think the
timing of the curb cut will happen after Strawberry Lane is paved, so in that case, from an
engineering perspective, he was comfortable leaving that curb cut because there are some
utilities that will occasionally need that access. He stated that Councilmember Callies is correct
that there will be turf there and explained that this would stop feeling like someone's driveway and
start feeling and looking like someone's yard.
Councilmember Sanschagrin repeated his suggestion to add a condition that the applicants would
be responsible for maintenance and snow removal of the portion of Maple Avenue that was
vacated in the last agenda item.
Councilmember Maddy stated that the discussion surrounding the vacation seemed to be focused
on snow removal and noted that he did not think they were taking anything away from anybody
by taking this action. He stated that the City has been paying to remove snow from about three
hundred feet of roadway that only leads to one home. He noted that the City uses a different truck
for this because the area is not paved. He explained that, in his opinion, this is a rather substantial
subsidy that the City has been giving to this property owner for the last thirty years, when everyone
else in the City ends up with a ridge of snow at the end of their driveway that they are responsible
for. He stated that he is finding a disconnect between treating everyone the same and trying to
make sure one house still has snow removal. He stated that he does not see this action as a
`taking' at all.
Councilmember Callies stated that she thought there had been plans to include conditions related
to shared driveway agreements and maintenance, but noted that she did not see them in the
resolution.
Planning Director Darling referenced item 3.b. of the resolution that covered those items and
explained that there was also the intent to include a condition that the Maple Avenue right-of-way
had to be upgraded to remove the gravel, open a curb cut, and install barriers on the Strawberry
Lane side with the construction of the home on Lot #2.
City Attorney Shepherd reiterated that he felt the Council was getting confused about the shared
driveways. He stated that western Maple Avenue is now the unimproved, but still right-of-way that
accesses Mr. Loughlin's lot. He stated that the City needs to make sure that this resolution
accounts for the curb cut and noted that he thought Planning Director Darling had also said she
wanted to include a provision that the driveway.
Planning Director Darling clarified that it would not necessarily have to be paved where the
driveways would come out onto Church Road, but the portion of the gravel in the vacated portion
of the right-of-way would need to be removed, restored to turf, and would also need some type of
barrier.
City Attorney Shepherd suggested that the Council take these as two separate items, so on the
western side they will need a curb cut so Mr. Loughlin can access his lot from Church Road, which
needs to be a condition. He suggested that when this was being discussed that they state either
`eastern' or `western' so nobody gets confused. He reiterated that he would suggest that the
Council add a condition related to the requirement for a western curb cut.
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City Administrator Nevinski stated that he feels that could be added to item #7 of the resolution
or could have its own stand-alone number.
Councilmember Callies stated that she would prefer to have a stand-alone item for that
requirement.
Councilmember Maddy asked if there were any concerns about the shared driveway for the
eastern portion that would be shared temporarily.
Councilmember Callies stated that she did not and suggested that perhaps the Council pause
this item in order to allow staff to draft some additional language before they make a motion.
There was consensus of the Council to allow time during the meeting for City Attorney
Shepherd to draft additional language for the proposed resolution before the Council takes
action on the application.
E. PUBLIC HEARING: PUD Amendments for Marine Sales & Display
Location: 19765 State Highway 7
Applicant: MM Capital Shorewood, LLC
Planning Director Darling reviewed the request by MM Capital Shorewood, LLC for a PUD
Amendments to the Waterford PUD to allow marine sales and service with outdoor boat storage.
She reviewed the existing Waterford PUD, the proposed changes to the site, and additions to the
building. She stated that the Planning Commission recommended approval and noted that in
addition to the individuals who spoke in favor of this project at the Public Hearing, the City had
also received about eighteen letters of support. She noted that the Planning Commission had
recommended changes to a number of the conditions that had been proposed by staff and shared
highlights of their recommendations as compared to staff recommendations. She stated that
following the Planning Commission meeting, the applicant submitted some exhibits that showed
the turning radii of the school buses that could be accommodated through the rear of the site and
also provided additional information that showed where the servicing would take place within the
building. She explained that staff and the Planning Commission recommend approval, subject to
the conditions included in the resolution.
Councilmember Sanschagrin asked if staff had a time limit in mind for the maintenance services
that would be allowed outdoors.
Planning Director Darling explained that she would like to see it be something small, such as
fifteen minutes.
Councilmember Zerby stated that the neighbors on the sides have concerns about some of the
access through the property and asked for clarifications on those concerns.
Planning Director Darling stated that her understanding is that there are cross access easements
across all of the Waterford commercial properties so they share access and parking. She stated
that the school district would prefer that the site maintain access around the south side of the
building in order to allow the buses to continue to drop the students off on the west side of their
building. She stated that the school district had also indicated that they were not interested in
having any changes to their site and would not be in support of alterations to the landscape island
or the additional access point. She noted that the front drive aisle will be a fire lane and the
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applicant has proposed widening the access point. She explained that they had submitted a
question to the fire marshal to make sure that will still work.
Mayor Labadie asked when staff felt that the fire marshal would get back to the City with this
answer.
Planning Director Darling explained that she had been hopeful that she would hear back before
the meeting, but had not.
Mayor Labadie stated that the Council could approve this with the condition that the fire marshal
approved it as well.
Councilmember Callies stated that her understanding is that there is an overriding PUD for all of
Waterford, including the shopping center.
Planning Director Darling stated that was correct and explained that it was all approved through
a few different Final Plats.
Councilmember Callies asked if that meant that anything that was approved for the boat business
would also mean that other properties in this PUD would also be permitted to do the same thing.
Planning Director Darling clarified that the approvals that are being proposed are only for this site.
Councilmember Callies asked if anything approved for this site would apply to any future users
for this particular site.
Planning Director Darling stated that was correct.
Councilmember Maddy asked if the school district had any opinions other than the letter in the
packet with the three conditions that they requested.
Planning Director Darling stated that she believed that they were satisfied with this request, with
the inclusion of their proposed conditions. She explained that the school district had no objections
to the use on the property, but just wanted to maintain their access rights.
Mayor Labadie opened the public hearing at 9:09 p.m.
Mayor Labadie noted that she wanted to have full disclosure and share that she was a former and
current customer of the applicants and their boat store. She stated that she did not feel that her
patronage of their store would impact or influence her decision so she did not plan to remove
herself from the vote on this item.
Swami Palanisami, 8200 32nd Place Crystal, stated that he owns the property for the mall and
explained that his concern was regarding the possible effects in the future with the parking
being changed. He stated that there were about seventy parking stalls that were being reduced
to forty-three spots. He stated that he just met the applicant in the hallway and she shared that
she was comfortable with it, but as an engineer, he goes by rules. He asked what would be
done if it is found that forty-three spots were not enough. He stated that he would like to see
some type of condition be included that outlines what would be done if more parking spots
became necessary. He stated that he also had concerns for the time in the future when
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someone else may purchase the building because their usage may be different than what it is
for the applicant. He stated that other than those two items he did not have any concerns and
thinks they have a good business.
Brad Rosenberger, 19722 Waterford Court, stated that he was the closest property to the
business and noted that the applicant had spoken with them about putting in trees or perhaps
fencing. He stated that for his property, putting in a six foot fence would not make much of a
difference because he sits so much higher on the hill. He explained that he would be in favor of
putting in trees and not fencing. He stated that he had discussed this issue with his neighbors and
while some of them were in favor of fencing, most of them would just like to see trees and no
fence. He stated that he also felt that adding a fence would interfere with the sunlight for the
existing trees and cause problems. He suggested that the applicant get together with all of the
neighbors at one time to discuss these details so they can reach a satisfactory conclusion for
everyone. He noted that other than this issue the applicant had addressed most of the issues that
the neighborhood had brought up.
Mayor Labadie closed the public hearing at 9:13 p.m.
Councilmember Callies stated that she attended the Planning Commission meeting when this
item was discussed. She stated that she has some concerns about the recommendations from
the Planning Commission and explained that she agreed with the comment made by Planning
Director Darling in the staff report regarding the display spaces. She noted that she understood
that the business would like to have as much visibility as possible, but explained that she thinks
that the City needs to keep this property, as a whole, as attractive and appealing as possible for
current and future use of the site. She stated that she did not agree with eliminating the
landscaping on the northern part of the site or using it for boat display in an unobstructive manner.
She stated that there is another Boatworks in Minnetonka near Ike's that has landscaping in front
of the boats. She explained that she understood why the owner was interesting in relocating from
their current location because their current site is overcrowded, but noted that she would not want
this site to look like that. She noted that this is a residential area and she felt that they needed to
keep up the appearance of the entire area, which was also noted in many of the written comments
received on this item. She stated that she would not support removing the landscaping islands
and allowing parking in the northerly section.
Mayor Labadie asked if she was referring specifically to the two boat display areas.
Councilmember Callies confirmed that was what she was referring to the two boats in the display
area. She stated that with regard to parking, she also felt that the City needed to have some
stronger language included that if there are problems with the parking that the boat facility should
be required to convert the display spaces back to parking. She noted that she felt the language
in the revised resolution was a bit `wishy washy' with relation to parking and would suggest that
the language be more specific that the spaces would need to be converted back to parking. She
stated that she also liked the suggestion made by Mr. Palanisami to include language that if the
use changes in the future that the parking requirement go back to Code requirements rather than
automatically agreeing to the lesser amount of spaces for future uses.
Mayor Labadie stated that she thinks that was a wise comment because the forty-three spaces
for the current business model is most likely adequate, but she could foresee a future business
that may have a higher volume and that may not be enough spaces. She explained that she
would support that proposed modification.
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Councilmember Zerby stated that he agreed with Councilmember Callies opinion regarding the
two display spots for the boats and also about changing the language that a change in use would
revert back to the Code requirements for parking.
Mayor Labadie stated that she also agreed that the two boats in front should not being there. She
asked how much exterior signage is allowed, per business, under the existing PUD.
Planning Director Darling explained that the existing PUD allows one free standing sign and two
other signs.
Councilmember Zerby stated that there was mention of testing boat motors and possible power
washer activities and asked if that would fall under the noise ordinance parameters.
Planning Director Darling stated that those activities would fall under the decibel levels under the
noise ordinance. She noted that the Planning Commission had recommended that there be hand -
washing only outside and that the boats be brought inside the building, if a power washer was
needed.
Councilmember Callies stated that she also felt that the Council should improve the language in
the resolution under the 2.c. related to `light service'. She stated that her recollection of the
discussion by the Planning Commission was that they had specifically wanted to leave this
language loose, but she felt it would be better stated to say that the light service be completed
with only hand tools and may not include fluid changes or other similar services, as indicated in
the staff report.
Mayor Labadie stated that she agreed and noted that Planning Director Darling had also
referenced a possible time limit of the exterior service work. She stated that her concern with that
suggestion was about who would monitor the time limits, which is why she was not in favor of
having a time limit.
Councilmember Maddy suggested that the City indicate no power tools or fluids for the outdoor
light service activities. He stated that he felt limiting the type of tools allowed rather than the time,
may make things a bit simpler.
City Attorney Shepherd stated that the City cannot restrict the type of tools that are being used
for the repair shop, so they have to be site specific zoning decisions.
City Administrator Nevinski stated that he thinks something that may be helpful is for the Council
to identify some of the key principles that they want in the conditions. He stated that staff can then
draft them and bring them back for approval at the June 10, 2024 City Council meeting under the
Consent Agenda. He stated that there is a lot of discussion and suggested changes which, in his
opinion, was making things a bit messy. He reiterated his suggestion that staff take the input that
the Council was giving and allow staff to draft the appropriate language.
Mayor Labadie asked the Council to share the things in the proposed resolution that concern them
so staff is able to bring back a cleaner, more concise version of the resolution at the next meeting.
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There was consensus of the Council to not allow the two display boats on the north side;
to keep the noise reduced; and that the parking revert back to City code with a change in
use.
Mayor Labadie noted that the neighbors had asked that the applicant sit down and meet with the
neighbors about the landscaping. She explained that she felt that it would help the Council if they
saw the neighbors and the applicant have reached an agreement.
Councilmember Callies stated that it was not just what the neighbors and the applicant would
agree to, because the City has to keep in mind the overall area. She stated that she understood
that the neighbors were supportive of this project, in general, but does not want that to outweigh
the general requirements.
Mayor Labadie acknowledged that was a good clarification because even if the applicant and the
neighbors agreed on something, the Council would still need to vote on it.
Councilmember Callies stated that there was currently a condition that mentioned a privacy fence
and believes that the thought now was to take that requirement out.
Mayor Labadie asked if Planning Director Darling could provide some further direction related to
the landscaping and fencing.
Planning Director Darling explained that the applicant had proposed four, ten foot trees on the
south end in the area where there are holes in the visibility which should provide some pretty good
landscaping in the future, but it will take time for them to mature. She stated that she believed that
the Planning Commission thought behind adding a six foot privacy fence was that it would give
some additional time for the landscaping to fill in, but can understand why the property owners
would be hesitant to take on the maintenance of a fence.
Councilmember Zerby referenced 3.f. which touches on a conforming tree inventory, tree
preservation plan, and landscaping plan and asked if the City could just insert language to say `in
consultation with adjoining neighbors'.
Planning Director Darling stated that since the idea is to come back with changes before the next
meeting, staff can look in more depth at this item.
Mayor Labadie stated that she would also like to have the feedback from the fire marshal prior to
the next meeting.
City Attorney Shepherd stated that he would recommend that the Council make a motion to bring
back a revised resolution for approval at the next meeting.
Zerby moved, Sanschagrin seconded, to direct staff to bring back a revision resolution
related to the PUD Development Amendment for "Waterford PUD" on the property located
at 19765 Highway 7, for approval at the June 10, 2024 City Council Meeting.
Michelle Mueller, CEO Minnesota Inboard Watersports, 720 Galpin Lake Road, Excelsior,
explained that she was not aware that she should have spoken during the public hearing portion
of the meeting. She thanked the Council for their consideration in this matter and explained that
they are a family owned business that was founded by her husband's parents thirty-two years
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ago. She noted that in addition to their Excelsior location, they have sales locations in Baxter and
Detroit Lakes and service departments in New Germany, Brainerd, and Detroit Lakes. She stated
that the City of Excelsior has been very good to them and the only reason that they are considering
a move is because of site limitations. She noted that they want to stay within the Lake Minnetonka
community and believe this property will satisfy their needs. She stated that while she
understands some of their requests are challenging, she would ask for some leniency and that
they trust them to know what they need to safely and successfully operate a first class dealership.
Councilmember Maddy asked if any of the conditions that have been bounced around by the
Council were detrimental to the business plan.
Ms. Mueller stated that parking is a huge concern and understands that the City wants a lever to
pull should there be parking complaints, but she is confident that the parking they are proposing
is what will be needed. She stated that if this property flips to a new use after them, it will naturally
go back to additional parking because of the spaces that they are dedicating to parking the boats.
She noted that they only use hand tools outside, so that comment would be perfectly fine with
them and agreed that putting a time limit on this work would be very difficult to police. She stated
that the two display spaces are very important for them and understands that it would be different
than what was currently there. She noted that her understanding is that they will have to take out
the berm and will install holding tanks for water management and explained that as it is put back
together, they would like to have pads there. She stated that it will look different, but would be
tastefully done. She explained that they have these in all of their locations and noted that it would
be a concrete pad with landscaping around it and an American flag flying in the center.
Motion passed.
Item 6.1). Continued: Preliminary and Final Plat Ray Helgesen Addition
Location: 6120 Strawberry Lane
Applicant: Paul and Patti Helgesen
City Attorney Shepherd reviewed the three additional conditions he would suggest be added to
RESOLUTION 24-043.
Councilmember Maddy stated that his only concern was the snow removal of the west side being
required by the residents of Lot #4 and #2 in perpetuity.
City Attorney Shepherd stated that he thinks there was consensus from the applicant that they
would have an agreement with respect to providing the snow removal. He explained that it would
be an agreement regarding providing that snow removal that would be recorded against the
property.
Councilmember Maddy clarified that the snow removal with these changes would no longer be
the City's problem.
City Attorney Shepherd stated that was correct because there would be an agreement among the
property owners.
Mayor Labadie asked if the applicant had any questions or concerns with the proposed changes
to the resolution language.
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Ms. Helgesen stated that there is no specific timeline indicated and stated that one of the staff
reports said that there would be storm sewer extended from the middle of Maple to the Church
Road cul-de-sac for drainage and asked if that would be happening this summer.
City Engineer Budde explained that this would be discussed at the next City Council meeting.
Ms. Helgesen stated that it would be torn up with that project, that would be the timeframe for
putting the curb cut back in. She stated that she also assumed that they would take out the gravel
when the construction began on their son's home, which she was hoping could happen this
summer.
Mayor Labadie stated that it did not sound like Ms. Helgesen had any concerns with the proposed
new conditions.
Ms. Helgesen stated that she did not have any concerns with the new conditions.
Planning Director Darling referenced condition #5 which says that the improvements proposed
would be constructed with the first home, but would not see any issue if they were to be completed
sooner than that.
Public Works Director Morreim asked about the maintenance language included in the new
conditions.
City Attorney Shepherd read aloud the proposed new condition #11.
Public Works Director Morreim stated that he would like it to be included that it is road
maintenance and not just winter maintenance because this will basically be a private driveway.
Councilmember Zerby stated that he believes in the past the City had `oiled' this area in order to
try to keep the dust down, so there would be maintenance involved.
City Attorney Shepherd read through additional language changes to the new condition related to
the feedback just given by Public Works Director Morreim.
Mr. Loughlin stated that he was a ninety year old veteran and was having trouble keeping up with
the conversation. He stated that he still did not believe he had heard a valid reason why the City
would stop maintenance and snow plowing because Maple Avenue will still exist and the City has
been plowing it for forty years. He stated that the Council keeps mentioning a driveway and it is
not a driveway, because it is Maple Avenue.
Public Works Director Morreim explained that it currently serves one property and the City would
be vacating a portion of it, which he would call a driveway entrance because it would be the only
property that this would be serving.
Mr. Loughlin stated that it would have to go past the second driveway and also past the fire
hydrant.
Public Works Director Morreim stated that the City does not.
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Mr. Loughlin explained that he had enough trouble trying to maintain his own driveway and now
the City is telling him he has to go out and snow plow Maple Avenue and keep the fire hydrant
accessible for the neighbors.
Councilmember Sanschagrin stated that part of the agreement being suggested is that, because
the applicant is getting a benefit in terms of the vacation of the eastern portion of Maple Avenue,
they will take over the snow plowing and maintenance that had previously been done by the City.
He stated that the idea is that this solution would be fair and equitable.
Mr. Loughlin suggested that this process be simplified and they will just get together and do it
themselves.
City Attorney Shepherd gave a final read through of the revised proposed additional conditions,
as discussed.
Zerby moved, Sanschagrin seconded, Adopting RESOLUTION NO. 24-043, "A Resolution
Approving a Preliminary and Final Plat for Ray Helgesen Addition for Property Located at
6120 Strawberry Lane", as revised, including the addition of three new conditions as
presented by the City Attorney.
Motion passed.
7. ENGINEERING/PUBLIC WORKS
A. Approve Encroachment Agreement for Fence and Landscaping
Location: 5290 and 5300 Howards Point Road
Applicant: Gregerson, Rosow, Johnson & Nilan, Ltd.
City Engineer Budde explained that staff had received a complaint regarding encroachment of
arbor vitae and fencing in front of properties located at 5290 and 5300 Howards Point Road. He
reviewed the timeline for inspection, notice of violation, and extension of the timeline for
reinspection to June 1, 2024. He explained that the applicant had submitted a request to encroach
into a roadway easement that was dedicated a part of their lot split in the past. He reviewed the
right-of-way and easement details and outlined the staff review of their request. He explained that
the applicant would like to move the fence and arbor vitae out of the right-of-way, but would like
to encroach into the five foot roadway easement. He stated that the applicant would also like to
install some gates, but staff had concerns about that because gates take time to open and asked
the applicant to come up with a solution that did not impede the right-of-way. He reviewed details
of the proposed encroachment agreement.
Councilmember Sanschagrin asked about the location of the actual property boundary and asked
if the agreement was to bring it back to the property boundary.
Planning Director Darling clarified that the applicant was proposing to relocate all of the fencing
that they placed within the public right-of-way onto their property, within the roadway easement.
She noted that they would have the option of trimming down the arbor vitae that are located in
the right-of-way, or they could relocate them. She stated that the question for the Council to
consider is if the applicant could remove the fencing from the public right-of-way and place it into
the five foot roadway easement or if they had to move it even further back. She stated in this
case, there is fifty-five feet of right-of-way in the area, which is more than what the City has for
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the rest of Howards Point Road and explained that this was the only reason that staff would
consider allowing this encroachment into the roadway easement.
Councilmember Callies asked what the difference was between the roadway easement and right-
of-way.
City Attorney Shepherd explained that it was really related to the time it was dedicated. He stated
that the right-of-way was dedicated at the time of development and the roadway easement was
dedicated as part of a lot split. He stated that functionally, it was essentially the same, but it is
delineated separately because it was dedicated separately.
Councilmember Maddy asked if it was intended to be used for road use and noted that usually
the City requires a drainage and utility easement. He asked if City Attorney Shepherd was saying
that this is what that was, but it just had a different name or if it meant that the City had exclusive
access to put a road on this piece of property.
City Attorney Shepherd answered that if the City needed to expand the road, they could, but does
not know why they would. He stated that he was correct that usually there would be right-of-way
and drainage and utility easements which are two separate things. He noted that roadway
easements are not seen very frequently, but agreed that the purpose of them was to put in a
roadway or sidewalk.
City Engineer Budde stated that it would also be to manage the utilities per the right-of-way
ordinance and being able to allow communications, gas, and power to be in there as well.
Councilmember Zerby referenced the drawing in the packet that showed a point and asked if that
indicated that it was located in the roadway.
Planning Director Darling confirmed that the roadway goes over the property corner and explained
that from the property line back five feet is the roadway easement.
City Engineer Budde clarified that technically the roadway was located outside of the right-of-way
but is not encroaching into the private property because they have this roadway easement.
City Attorney Shepherd explained that the fence was in the right-of-way.
Councilmember Zerby asked how sight lines were considered topographically. He stated that
when he had visited this site, he saw it in what is referred to as 3D and noted that there is a pretty
substantial climb up the hill.
City Engineer Budde stated that when he looks at sight lines, he looks at it from a purely horizontal
perspective and noted that the overall radius of the roadway is about three hundred feet, which is
a design speed for thirty miles per hour. He stated that the next piece that he looks at is the
stopping sight distance and the various curves and noted that from an engineering standpoint,
there is adequate stopping sight distance but had not looked at in detail for thirty miles hour.
Margaret Neuville, an attorney with Gregerson, Rosow, Johnson & Nilan, explained that she was
representing the property owners, Gary and Janet Grevillius. She stated that when the fence was
installed there was a mutual mistake of fact between the fence contractor and the City inspector
about its location and noted that she was not sure if anyone even knew about the roadway
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easement. She stated that her clients were committed to doing this right and explained that her
clients understand the City's concerns, but want to keep the fence because it is very attractive.
She stated that was why they were asking for this encroachment agreement and noted that, as
staff indicated, this five foot roadway easement was kind of a unique situation which was why
they felt this request was reasonable. She stated that related to the sight line issues that have
been raised, her clients were willing to commit to keep the arbor vitae trimmed to three feet. She
stated that the current deadline is June 1, 2024 and they would also request that the deadline for
all of the work by moved to July 15, 2024 in order to allow time for the contractor to complete the
work correctly.
Councilmember Callies asked about the gates and noted that she did not see how moving the
gate opening into the property would resolve the queuing issue because people would still have
to wait for it to open.
City Engineer Budde explained that there was enough room for a vehicle to pull up to the gate
and be completely off of the roadway and the gate could still open. He noted that it would basically
give them a parking space that would be off of the roadway.
Councilmember Callies asked when the arbor vitae and the fencing was installed.
Ms. Neuville stated that she believed the installation was completed last fall.
Planning Director Darling noted that she believed the arbor vitae was installed sometime in 2018.
Ms. Neuville stated that she was under the impression that they were all installed within the last
year.
City Administrator Nevinski stated that his understanding was that the fence was put in last year,
but the arbor vitae were installed prior to that and referenced the Google image that was included
in the packet from September of 2022.
Ms. Neuville stated that under the encroachment agreement, her clients fully understand that
should the City ever need this property for roadway purposes, that it will be moved at his expense.
Mayor Labadie stated that she understands that the applicant has indicated that they will keep
the arbor vitae trimmed, but she believed that would basically mean chopping the tree in half. She
stated that the photo included in the packet was not a current or accurate representation because
it was from September of 2022.
Councilmember Zerby stated that he always struggles with this kind of request where it is sort of
giving free land back. He noted that in looking at the neighbor across the street it appears as
though they have about twenty feet back from the road and expressed concern that the neighbors
may start asking for equal easements so they can start putting fences and bushes out further.
Mayor Labadie noted that an encroachment agreement was not a precedent setting event.
Councilmember Zerby noted that he felt it would be a signal to someone living across the street.
Mayor Labadie stated that this item dealt with only this property.
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City Attorney Shepherd stated that was correct and the Council can take every property and every
situation and make the decision that they felt was appropriate. He noted that the Council, in the
past, has made the decision to grant these encroachment agreements and explained that cities
have done this when there has been a mistake or something had been installed before there was
a realization that it should not be there. He reminded the Council that an encroachment agreement
is a way to keep the status quo but also gives the City the ability to tell the property owner to
remove the items at any time should they need the roadway easement. He stated that the City
would not be giving up their rights but simply making a determination about how it is used for the
time being.
Councilmember Zerby asked if the sight line on a corner was intended to be thirty feet.
Planning Director Darling stated that was what the clear view triangle says it should be.
Mayor Labadie stated that what concerned her was the amount of e-mails and communications
that the City had received from the neighbors to the north that all expressed concern about sight
lines.
Councilmember Sanschagrin stated that the encroachment would create less safety because of
the curve and also that it goes downhill. He stated that the City code talks about the restriction
being welfare and safety. He stated that he thinks that a higher standard should be put on the
fence companies to send a signal to them that they need to understand what their limitations are.
He expressed concern that they would essentially signal that the City has lower standards and
they could just put the fence where they want and simply ask for a permit after the fact. He read
aloud from the code regarding obstruction and excavation in the right-of-way and the need for a
permit for this activity.
Councilmember Callies stated that the fence company installed the fence, but noted that the City
had also allowed it. She 'noted that it appears that the applicant has plenty of land to work with
and this comes down to the cost to move the fence and the arbor vitae.
Ms. Neuville noted that she believes that there was a City inspector on site three times during
the fence inspection who had essentially approved the location each time. She explained that she
did not fault anyone for what happened because as everyone found out later, this is kind of a
unique property. She noted that she also did not feel that anyone was acting in bad faith when
this happened. She stated that her clients are trying to make this right without having to redo
everything.
Councilmember Callies stated that she believed the language that Councilmember Sanschagrin
was quoting from was the right-of-way and not the roadway easement language.
Ms. Neuville stated that the encroachment agreement includes language that says `to keep or
maintain encroachments in the right-of-way' which she thinks encompasses things that are
already there.
Councilmember Maddy stated that this is a tough situation because there were minor mistakes
made on all sides. He stated that there have been instances when someone puts a patio within a
setback, and the City has told them that they need to move it, even though it was done in error.
He stated that it is not something that he likes to do, but he felt it was something that the City has
to do. He stated that one of his pet peeves is when people start using City property and City
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exclusive rights -of -way as their own property. He stated that what happens is they get used to
and then sell their property and then get mad at the City when they are told they do not have the
right to do that. He stated that he was not happy that the fence was installed in the wrong spot or
that City staff missed it on inspections, ,but was also not happy that they were offering one more
agreement to pay attention to in perpetuity. He stated that he would say that they should just get
out of the easement, because then there will not be a problem and would just be a mistake that
had to get fixed. He stated that he does not want this to be made more complicated than it needed
to be and did not see the point in letting this owner or future owners think that they have complete
control over the City's roadway easement.
Councilmember Sanschagrin stated that he had seen the City reject similar applications for things
like putting a pipe underneath the road in order to maintain the easements. He stated that he
agreed with Councilmember Maddy's statements and reminded the Council that the picture
included in the packet was not accurate in what it looked like today.
Councilmember Maddy stated that he felt granting this request would end up being more work
than it was worth for just a fraction of road easement. He reiterated that the does not like doing
this and understands that it was truly a mistake.
Councilmember Callies asked how much further back the fence would be if they moved it out of
the easement and right-of-way area.
City Engineer Budde stated that on the south end, the fence would move about eight feet but that
would not allow room for the arbor vitae. He stated that if the idea was to have the arbor vitae in
front of the fence, then they would probably move the fence back about twelve feet.
Councilmember Maddy stated that he did not want to overstep the roadway easement and asked
if they would be allowed to have arbor vitae within the roadway easement.
City Engineer Budde explained that the requirement is that it has to be less than three feet tall.
Councilmember Maddy stated that if the City's easement language allows this as long as it is no
higher than three feet tall, he did not feel like he could say no to that use.
Councilmember Callies asked what the point would be in telling the applicant to move the fence
but could keep the arbor vitae. She explained that she felt it was a somewhat goofy design to
move the fence back twelve feet and have the arbor vitae still within the easement.
City Engineer Budde stated that he thinks that they could put the arbor vitae on the back side of
the fence and could just be set up differently, but that would also change the look and aesthetic
of what is currently there.
Mayor Labadie reiterated that she did not feel the Council could ignore the letters that had been
sent from neighbors on the street that had shared safety concerns. She clarified that was not the
only thing to consider, but wanted to bring it up to the Council one more time.
Mayor Labadie asked if anyone would like to make a motion on this application.
No one spoke.
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Mayor Labadie explained that this action had failed for lack of a motion.
City Attorney Shepherd stated that there was clearly an encroachment in the City's right-of-way
and roadway easement which the Council was clearly not okay with, and stated that he felt it
would be helpful to give a deadline for its removal.
Councilmember Maddy asked how much time would be needed to move the fences and trim the
arbor vitae.
Ms. Neuville asked if the direction from the Council was that every portion of the fence that was
within the five foot roadway easement must be moved outside of that and towards the property.
She noted that this would still be within the drainage and utility easement, which from her
understanding, would be allowed. She asked if her understanding was correct that the arbor
vitae can stay in the roadway easement as long as it was trimmed to three feet.
City Attorney Shepherd confirmed that this was what the right-of-way ordinance stated.
Ms. Neuville stated that she believed the idea was that the aesthetics of it were nicer if the arbor
vitae was located right next to the fence.
Councilmember Maddy noted that the owners can solve this problem however they wish, but the
fence cannot be within the roadway easement and the arbor vitae, if they are in the roadway
easement, have to be less than three feet. He suggested that the Council give them until July 15,
2024 or August 1, 2024.
Ms. Neuville stated that the contractor was still waiting to order the gates until a decision was
made by the City. She noted that he had assumed approval and had communicated that he
thought July 15, 2024 would be an appropriate deadline, however, she would like to ask for more
time than that because now they will have additional issues to resolve based on what the Council
has communicated. She suggested that the deadline be extended to August 15, 2024 or the end
of August.
Mayor Labadie stated that she felt that was a reasonable request.
Councilmember Zerby stated that he did not think the Council had made a determination about
the gates.
City Administrator Nevinski stated that the applicants had not submitted a permit application for
gates.
Planning Director Darling clarified that they have submitted a permit application for gates, but
explained that it had not been issued pending Council action on this item.
Mayor Labadie stated that means that gates were not formally before the Council nor were they
part of tonight's discussion.
Councilmember Maddy stated that staff can take action on that application outside of the
easement discussion.
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City Attorney Shepherd stated that was true, but the Council could consider what the applicant
was saying with respect to timing.
Ms. Neuville stated that they would like to install the gates and get everything moved at the same
time.
The Council discussed extending the deadline to August 15, 2024.
Ms. Neuville stated that they would accept that extended deadline, for now, but she would discuss
it with her clients and the contract and if they felt that would not be enough time would come back
with an official request for another extension.
8. GENERAL/NEW BUSINESS
9. STAFF AND COUNCIL REPORTS
A. Staff
1. Special Election Update
City Clerk/HR Director Thone gave an overview of the Special Election that took place on April
30, 2024 and May 14, 2024. She thanked staff, election judges, and Public Works for their
assistance in helping the City have another flawless election.
Other
Park and Recreation Manager Czech stated that the Park Tour that was cancelled on May 21,
2024 has been rescheduled to June 4, 2024. He noted that a rain -check back up date for the
tours scheduled for June 11, 2024 has been scheduled for June 18, 2024.
Public Works Director Morreim stated that they will be starting sewer cleaning on May 29, 2024.
He stated that they continue waiting for drier weather in order to get out to Freeman Park with
their equipment to get the remainder of the material. He stated that they were able to get some of
it about a week ago, but it had been raining again, so they have not been able to get the rest. He
noted that they have done seeding in about seventy-five percent of the areas and hope to get to
the remaining area in the next few weeks. He stated that the tree planting has been completed
but there are a few tree guards that still need to be installed because they ran out. He noted that
they were able to plant around one -hundred and sixty trees. He stated that they will be finishing
up the DNR grant application and will also look at the maintenance plan over the next few months.
City Engineer Budde stated that rain has slowed things down so projects were making slow
progress. He stated that the 2024 mill and overlay project is making good progress because they
are close to finishing Phase One.
Mayor Labadie noted that she had noticed a lot of dirt and mud on Birch Road and asked staff to
keep an eye on the contractors.
City Clerk/HR Director Thone stated that the City had received ten applications for the Finance
Director position and there were plans to interview three of those individuals in early June.
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B. Mayor and City Council
Councilmember Zerby stated that he had attended the Excelsior Fire District meeting to review
the preliminary 2025 budget and gave a brief overview of the information and discussion. He
noted that right now, the proposed budget increase is a little above thirteen percent. He suggested
that Chief Mackey be invited to present to the Council prior to taking a vote on the 2025 budget
in order to hear some of the details.
Councilmember Maddy stated that June 1, 2024 is the seventy-first annual fish fry and dance put
on by the Mound Fire Department. He stated that the tickets are fifteen dollars in advance through
the Fire Department or through Harbor Wine and Spirits Liquor Store in Mound and noted that the
tickets will cost twenty dollars at the door.
Mayor Labadie encouraged the Council to sign up for the League of Minnesota Cities legislative
update on June 3, 2024 at 11:00 a.m., but noted that they will also offer a video replay.
10. ADJOURN
Sanschagrin moved, Maddy seconded, Adjourning the City Council Regular Meeting of
May 28, 2024, at 10:38 P.M.