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10.28.2025 Park Commission Meeting Minutes CITY OF SHOREWOOD 5755 COUNTRY CLUB RD PARK COMMISSION MEETING SHOREWOOD CITY HALL TUESDAY, OCTOBER 28, 2025 7:00 P.M. MINUTES 1. CONVENE PARK COMMISSION MEETING Chair Hirner convened the meeting at 7:00 P.M. A. Roll Call Present: Chair Hirner, Commissioners Wenner, Garske, Bahneman, and Sylvester; City Council Liaison Sanschagrin; Parks/Recreation Director Czech Absent: None B. Review Agenda Parks/Recreation Director Czech noted that the Minnetonka Baseball Association was in attendance and would be up first in the General Business section. Chair Hirner stated that it would be written on the agenda as 4.A. Minnetonka Baseball Association. Commissioner Garske moved to approve the agenda as amended. Commissioner Wenner seconded the motion. Motion carried 5-0. 2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES A. Park Commission Meeting Minutes of September 23, 2025 Wenner requested a correction to page 7, paragraph 48, to indicate: Back to Rock should be Bach to Rock. Wenner noted that she was not in attendance last meeting, and is seeking clarification as to why the City does not recognize volunteers. Parks/Recreation Director Czech stated that it will be part of the overall volunteer program discussion in a future meeting, but with the purchasing policy that the City currently has, the City cannot buy awards for volunteers. Commissioner Garske moved to approve the minutes of the September 23, 2025, meeting as amended. Commissioner Sylvester seconded the motion. Motion carried 5-0. 3. MATTERS FROM THE FLOOR Barry Brown, 6050 Burlwood Court, stated during the Matters from the Floor section of the meeting, the document states that the person speaking has three minutes, but Council has approved five minutes. He added that there has never been a concern for him because the Parks Commission has always let him speak as long as needed. He noted that there were a few things in the Parks Master Plan that he wanted to discuss. He continued that the CIP in the packet estimated a little over $2,000,000 to be budgeted for the next ten years. He explained, however, that in the presentation given by Finance Director Schmuck to Council on October 14, he outlined a different number for the Capital Improvement Plan, CIP, of $1,400,000 for the ten PARK COMMISSION MINUTES TUESDAY, OCTOBER 28, 2025 PAGE 2 OF 13 years, so he was curious as to what the actual number is. He recommended that the item that reads Cathcart Park, Nature Exploration Area, Cathcart, does not seem to be a good fit for the nature exploration area, because it is just a wide-open park that does not have a lot of woods or trails of any sort. He noted that a better fit for it would be Manor, Freeman, Badger, or Silverwood, where trails already exist, and things could be put along the trails for kids to explore. He added that he presented to Bolton and Menk, along with some pictures of things that could be taken on. 4. General Business A. Minnetonka Baseball Association Jake Saba, Minnetonka Baseball Association, explained his involvement with the association. He stated that the presentation would include some background and updates on the Minnetonka Baseball Association, as Shorewood is a significant part of the association. He explained that the Minnetonka Baseball Association is the biggest baseball association in the State, with last year having 1,452 members; however, the number fluctuates but is close to that 1,400. He noted that they expect to be close to 1,400 again, with Rookies aged Kindergarten all the way up to 18. He explained how the age groups are broken up, and the association is involved in both recreational ball and travel. He provided background on how the association partnered with Shorewood: Freeman has been used for games and practices, and is used April through October by the association, accounting for about a third of the use for the association. He added that Manor and Cathcart are also utilized for the younger ages. He noted that the association does have some thoughts on improvements that could be done in conjunction with the City. He gave an example of fixing the fence at Freeman recently; the associate donated the work and supplies, which were about $16,000 total. He noted that the association would like to add batting cages to Freeman Five and potentially use it for a game field in the future. Commissioner Wenner asked where Freeman Five is located. Mr. Saba noted that one, two, and three are located next to Highway 7, and up the road, five is in the back left corner. As one travels up the road, it would be the farthest West. Mr. Saba stated that the association has their own grounds crew, which is very important to the games that are being played, and this is headed up by Tim Jenzer. Parks/Recreation Director Czech commended the Minnetonka Baseball Association for all the hard work and support. He specifically called out the fence improvement and how this helps to enhance things for the Shorewood residents as well. Mr. Saba discussed the Bigsy Tournament and how there was a man who was an important part of the Minnetonka Baseball Association, and every year, there is a tournament put on in his honor at both Freeman and Bennett. He added that the tournament is 10, 11, 12 travel and 14,15 travel in the A category, with eight teams per age group, filling up very quickly. He noted that Minnetonka Baseball is consistently top three at state every year. Chair Hirner asked what the association does not have in the parks that would be useful from a usage standpoint. Mr. Saba stated that the weed piles in the batting cages are not ideal, the association is at capacity, and multi-use fields as well. He added that the parking for the tournament is rough, and if there were a way to open that up. He feels that the partnership is PARK COMMISSION MINUTES TUESDAY, OCTOBER 28, 2025 PAGE 3 OF 13 great with Shorewood. He noted that the wish list for the association is large, but that Freeman Field Five is on the list to make improvements to make a game field. Commissioner Wenner asked what the association is looking to use the Freeman Field Five for. Mr. Saba noted that right now the field is used for practice, but it is not a game field, so it is not used on the weekends at all. Commissioner Wenner asked if Freeman Field Five would be able to be converted to a multi-use field. Mr. Saba stated that he thinks it could be. Commissioner Wenner asked about putting batting cages on Freeman Field Five. Mr. Saba explained that there is room on either side of the field, and maybe even some bullpens as well. He noted that with the size of 270 to 300 feet, it can be used for different levels of baseball and softball, and there is dirt in the infield, and a temporary mound is utilized. Mr. Brown asked what cities the association draws from. Mr. Saba stated that it is the entire Minnetonka school district. Mr. Brown stated that the association takes amazing care of Freeman Fields One, Two, and Three. He asked why the association wants to use the Freeman Field Five with all of the drawbacks, when Freeman Field Six has a lot of open space. Mr. Saba noted that the association is trying to work with what they have access to already, because Four and Six are used primarily by MGSA and adult softball, and the association does not use those at all. Mr. Brown noted that even though all the amenities went into it, it would not be able to be shared. Mr. Saba explained that a lot goes into it, such as which organization pays, who has the largest membership, and how that is divided up. He stated that the Minnetonka Baseball Association is not affiliated with any other organization but is always willing to collaborate. Mr. Saba asked if there would be a possibility of having music at the parks with certain criteria. Parks/Recreation Director Czech noted that last year, the request to have music was made by the Minnetonka Baseball Association, which was brought to the City Council to make an allowance just for the tournament. Many residents who did not support the music were present, and the Council did not support the allowance then either. He noted that the biggest issue that comes with it is the enforcement of it, but if some sort of standards could be agreed upon to make sure it is fair and equitable to those who live nearby, and the baseball players enjoy the music. Mr. Saba stated that the association is more than willing to put something together, but there was not enough time last year with the last-minute request, so many coaches had to be reminded of the City ordinance. Parks/Recreation Director Czech agreed that many cities allow music in the parks, but Shorewood is different in how parks are in residential areas. B. 2025 Parks Master Plan Discussion Parks/Recreation Director Czech reviewed the 2025 Parks Master Plan and where the plan is currently. He noted that a preliminary ten-year CIP recommendation has been completed and included in the packet. He described that the information went before the Council and the Open House, which happened right before the meeting. He updated the timeline based on the Council's recommendation, with the Council wanting to have a priorities list. He suggested a deep dive into the Capital Improvement Plan, CIP, to see where all the projects should be placed. He added that the recommended preliminary CIP has $622,000 more than the current CIP, so to go along with that, the final plan with have a recommendation on funding strategies. He noted that the Council suggested cutting costs somehow or spreading the costs out. He priorities from the CIP. PARK COMMISSION MINUTES TUESDAY, OCTOBER 28, 2025 PAGE 4 OF 13 Council Liaison Sanschagrin explained that there is pressure on the City to make sure there is critical thinking that takes place on what is being budgeted for and how that feeds into the levy. He added that knowing what is needed versus what is nice to have can lead to more robust discussions with residents about which way to go as a way to manage the budget. Chair Hirner shared some things that were heard from the Council and the Open House. He noted that at the Council for the South Shore Park was discussed in regards to the location of the community garden was discussed, and the garden closer to the highway and the pickleball and baseball further away from it. He felt that was great input to move the garden to make it safer. He noted that Council also discussed that Cathcart does not seem to be the best park for the Nature park feature to be at. He added that the only destination park is Freeman; otherwise, the rest are in neighborhoods, so removing a playground from a neighborhood park is something that he would be opposed to. Parks/Recreation Director Czech added that there has been discussion about Cathcart Park and how to best utilize it. He stated that the consultant suggested installing a new amenity in a nature park, which is not anywhere else in the City, and it is a lower-cost option than a new playground, but still provides a play area. He noted that although cost-effective initially, the maintenance can be tricky. Commissioner Sylvester noted that she is opposed to not having a playground in a neighborhood. She added that the church nearby uses the park and the parking lot frequently, and asked if the church could contribute to the park at all. She noted that it is important to have a playground that can be walked to in a neighborhood, especially with children. She explained that the picture of the nature park that is being recommended does not look very appealing, and that Cathcart is not the right spot for a nature park. Commissioner Wenner stated that the idea of a nature park is appealing, and that at a recent conference, it was stated that someone had experience at a park that had a nature area next to a traditional playground, and the nature play was used more frequently. She added that a nature park at Freeman seems like a much better idea, with the trails and the removal of the buckthorn. She noted that because of funding, it may be further down on the priority list. Mr. Brown stated that there is a school that comes and uses the park a few times a year, and it is a good venue for the kids. Commissioner Wenner agreed that looking to the church for some alternative funding is a great idea. She noted that there was a resident who mentioned that other parks in the area are receiving alternative funding, especially in neighborhoods. She added that having that on a future agenda to talk about ways to get the community involved in different parts of the projects. Chair Hirner reviewed what Mayor Labadie brought up at the Council meeting about using brick for fundraising purposes. He stated that the Commission has not looked at funding sources like the bricks, because there are sources out there, but the Council guidance will be needed. Commissioner Wenner noted that Mayor Labadie had mentioned the bricks for South Shore specifically, but it would be nice to have the bricks in all of the parks. She asked how much funding a brick provides. Chair Hirner noted that it can raise quite a bit, and something to look into. Commissioner Garske stated that putting in bricks where there are not already bricks could be difficult, so considering doing it at every park could be a big hurdle to overcome. Commissioner Sylvester was reminded of the memorial bench discussion, so maybe bundling a few options together, and she likes the idea. Commissioner Wenner noted that for the tiers and for tier one funding, the only thing was tennis court resurfacing because of the safety issues. She added that Manor and Cathcart would also PARK COMMISSION MINUTES TUESDAY, OCTOBER 28, 2025 PAGE 5 OF 13 fall under tier one, and noted that the two parks are recommended in the 2026 budget. She stated that tier two would be hockey board repairs, trail repairs, and the nature ramp. Parks/Recreation Director Czech explained the email that went out about the tiers, with tier one being a very high need, potential safety concern, tier three being a moderate level with park function, accessibility, or address park need, and tier five being more of the visionary, nice to have projects. Commissioner Wenner went on with resurfacing or basic repairs being tier one. Chair Hirner noted that, in looking at the parks, most of them are landlocked, and it is not likely that another park will be developed. He added that most of the parks are in maintenance phases, short of doing something major, such as tearing out a baseball field or wanting to put a dome up somewhere. He stated that there is not a lot of space to do things with, especially since the City wants to hold onto the open space. He noted that when looking at the CIP, there are very few things that are new amenities, except for South Shore. He reviewed a few of the new amenities, such as the amphitheater at Manor and the public art installation. He noted that most of the parks have had something done to them recently to bring them to standard or what the community is asking for, except for Cathcart. Commissioner Garske commented on the Nature Exploration Area at Cathcart. He noted that the idea of a park being everywhere is wonderful, but he would also like to see more about the Nature Exploration Area. He added that nature is just being outside, and that the Nature Exploration Area leads to more imaginary play than traditional parks. He stated that it would be worthwhile to look at some options, especially due to the lower cost. He suggested going line by line to look at each item on the CIP. Commissioner Bahneman mentioned that at the Council meeting, it was brought up that residents could get to the parks without using vehicles. She agreed that, in concept, that is pretty important. She noted that at South Shore, for basketball, people may drive there, but the Council was pointing out that keeping the parks community-based. Commissioner Garske added that South Shore would probably be more of a destination park because of the amenities. He stated that it would be great to connect Cathcart to the trail because it is so close already. Commissioner Wenner stated that several residents like the idea of building out the trail at South Shore. Commissioner Bahneman explained that if nothing else was done at South Shore besides a nice walking trail, it would really serve the public. She added that signage and updated bathrooms would be nice as well. She stated that the recommendation is beautiful but requires a lot of money, and a simple walking path could serve a great purpose to start. Commissioner Wenner noted that at the Open House, comments were included about the on- site bathroom at South Shore and that it gets a lot of use, so a permanent bathroom would be nice. She added that in thinking about moving the community garden location, there was a resident who commented on using his plot for ten years, and has had it just the way he likes it, so something to keep in mind. Commissioner Sylvester stated that she used the recommendation for South Shore and walked using the map. She shared a concern about putting in a basketball court, because that would mean removing pine trees, and the cost that comes with that. She noted that there is a fire hydrant and sewer access, which would be a problem as well. She added that the five fitness stations on the map look fantastic, but the actual walk is extremely steep and may not be feasible. She stated that changing the parking lot sounds very expensive. She added that the approach of doing it in more phases sounds great, and one resident felt the process is going PARK COMMISSION MINUTES TUESDAY, OCTOBER 28, 2025 PAGE 6 OF 13 very fast, and what is the urgency. Commissioner Bahneman stated that the picnic area with the shelter is a good idea, but simplifying the whole idea at South Shore would be great. Chair Hirner mentioned that the comment about South Shore moving at lightning speed is interesting to him, because in his eight years of being on the Commission, it has been a parking lot with a porta-potty the whole time. He stated that the pine trees in South Shore have been dying for a long time, so something needs to be done with them. Commissioner Wenner asked if the pine trees have been looked at by an arborist, because pine trees self-prune, or has the contractor has looked at the site at all. Park/Recreation Director Czech noted that he does not know the information off hand. Chair Hirner stated that he is familiar with pine trees, and the ones in South Shore are soon to be dead. He noted that with the idea that the trees are dying, and the need to put equipment in the park, it would be best to do it all at once, because it will all get torn up and may cause problems with other areas. He added that there was discussion about getting rid of South Shore Park, but the Council did not want that to happen. He explained that the fact that it is a park, and it is just sitting there, and people want to see something happen there, but it will cost money, and questioned how it would be prioritized. He noted that doing something in South Shore is worthwhile, but would note the location of all the parks. He stated that the Commission would go line by line through the CIP. Commissioner Garske agreed and noted that South Shore may need to be tabled because a lot is going on. Chair Hirner started with Badger Park and the two items that are on the CIP: the stairs that go down by the wetland area and up the hill into the woods. He added that there is a path that the City maintains. He noted the recommendations are to build a ramp for accessibility and then install art in Badger Park. Commissioner Garske asked if the ramp goes into the woods or where it goes. The Parks/Recreation Director stated that it is a ramp that goes into the woods, basically removing the stairs and replacing them with a ramp that is accessible. Commissioner Garske stated that he is not in support of adding a ramp if the ramp just goes to a dirt trail, which is not used much anyway, then it does not add any value. Commissioner Sylvester agreed and stated the cost seemed high for that. Commissioner Wenner agreed and noted that an ADA-compliant ramp that does not go to an ADA-compliant trail does not make sense. Chair Hirner noted that, as part of the City park, further guidance will be needed to determine if it needs to be ADA-compliant. Commissioner Garske asked if the trail gets much use. Parks/Recreation Director Czech noted that it is not heavily used. He stated that the consensus seems to be that it is not a priority item, but the Staff will investigate to see what needs to be done. He asked what the Commission recommends if the Staff finds that something needs to be done there or removed. Commissioner Garske noted that removal seemed like a better option, but the idea of an accessible tail would be great. Park/Recreation Director Czech stated that it could be noted that building a ramp with the idea of a trail improvement as well. Commissioner Garske stated that if it is going to be a bigger project, then that is fine, but otherwise, just take it out. Commissioner Sylvester asked if it could just be left alone. Commissioner Garske stated that the removal would only happen if the City is required to do something with it. Chair Hirner stated that the pathway could be made ADA-compliant with woodchips. Commissioner Garske stated that unless there are grading issues. Parks/Recreation Director Czech noted more to come on it, but it is a long-term item. Commissioner Garske noted that it goes hand and hand with the art installation, so if something is made, then make it accessible to get to. Chair Hirner stated, looking at Freeman Park, with the North Park renovation. Commissioner Garske stated that to him it is a tier one, because it is falling apart and there is missing equipment. Chair Hirner added that it is the destination park of the City and the premier park. PARK COMMISSION MINUTES TUESDAY, OCTOBER 28, 2025 PAGE 7 OF 13 He noted that when Freeman South was redone, parts were reused, but it was found that the old and new connections do not fit together as they should, and then the parts do not look the same either. He stated that reusing may not even be a possibility. He explained that at the Council, it was asked if old parts could be sold, but the comment was that it would become a safety issue. He noted that every year the North Park needs to have maintenance done on it, and that it is probably just time to replace it. He stated that it would be great to reuse some of it, but probably not very likely that anything is salvageable. Commissioner Garske explained that there is not much worth saving, but either way, it is a priority to fix. The Commission decided to tier North Park at two. Commissioner Wenner asked whose job it is to check out the safety of the playgrounds. Parks/Recreation Director Czech noted that it is Commissioner Wenner asked if the park maintenance has noted significant decay or decline in North Park. Parks/Recreation Director Czech stated that it is fairly obvious, but from an inspection point it still passes. He noted that in speaking with others in the parks and rec field, when a playground gets to 20 years and is used heavily, but for sure 25 to 30 years, playgrounds need to be replaced. Commissioner Wenner asked if North Park is at that point. Parks/Recreation Director Czech noted that it would need to be confirmed, but it its getting close. He would confer with playground inspections and get back to the Commission. He added that when parks get to 25 to 30 years, then parts become obsolete and can no longer be replaced. Chair Hirner stated that the other thing with Freeman one was the volleyball court, which is on the CIP for 2032, and that makes sense. Commissioner Garske asked if there were other things to be done with the volleyball court besides the refreshing. Parks/Recreation Director Czech added that through the community, there was feedback noting that if the court were in better condition, it would be used more. Commissioner Wenner asked about the safety issue that was noted during the park's tour, of the sand below the wood edging, and if it had been fixed. Parks/Recreation Director Czech believed it had been done, but would confirm. Commissioner Garske asked if the line item would be redoing the whole volleyball court. Parks and Recreation Director Czech agreed that it was essentially what was being noted. The Commission decided that it is a tier three or four. Chair Hirner added that the picnic shelter goes with it and is close by. Commissioner Garske asked if it is a replacement, knocking it down and putting a new one up because of the current condition. Parks/Recreation Director Czech stated that perhaps when it comes to looking at it, it may not need a full replacement. Commissioner Garske asked if it gets used a lot. Parks/Recreation Director Czech noted that it is not reserved a lot, but it is used and popular. Chair Hirner stated that it is not until 2034, and there is no need to put a dollar amount on it at this time. The Commission gave the picnic area replacement a tier five. Chair Hirner stated that the next park, Gideon Glen, and the interpretive sign improvements, there were comments made during park tours about the signage using a refresh. He added that it is in 2029, and that fundraising could likely be used. Commissioner Wenner stated that in the community tour she did, one of the signs was completely missing and bad, so putting it at a tier two or three seems important. She noted that it would be a good pilot project to do some community fundraising. The Commission decided the signage would be tier two because of the broken signs. Chair Hirner stated that the next was Manor Park with a few things: the tennis court resurfacing, which probably needs to be replaced. He asked if the cost included the fence and the retaining PARK COMMISSION MINUTES TUESDAY, OCTOBER 28, 2025 PAGE 8 OF 13 wall as well; then the cost is fine, but if it is just the resurfacing, then that is not enough. The Commission decided to make it a tier one. Chair Hirner stated that the playground replacement and the sign replacement at Manor are ten years out and are in pretty decent condition right now. He noted that the cost is so high because of the poured and placed rubber under the playground, which makes it an ADA- compliant playground. He added that when it does get replaced, the City should definitely be thinking about doing something comparable because of the ADA compliance. The Commission made it a tier five. Chair Hirner stated that the next item is the volleyball court at Manor, and it is the same thing as the volleyball court at Freeman. Commissioner Wenner asked if it is in the same shape as Freeman. Chair Hirner noted it may be in better shape than at Freeman. The Commission decided to tier it tier four. Chair Hirner noted that next on the CIP is the amphitheater at Manor. Commissioner Sylvester asked where it came from. Commissioner Garske stated it had been on the CIP for a while. Chair Hirner added that it came up because behind the field backstop, there is a steep slope and no room for a grandstand, so people noted it was a great meeting spot and could have an amphitheater. Commissioner Sylvester asked if it is a need of the community. Commissioner Garske noted that putting in an amphitheater is a poor use of the funds, and there is not a lot of available parking. He added that it is a fun idea, but it does not make sense for the space. He asked that it be removed from the CIP. Commissioner Wenner gave arguments for the space, but also noted that parking is not good at Manor. Parks/Recreation Director Czech noted that there would probably be a lot of negative feedback if lots of larger gatherings took place there. Commissioner Wenner asked if it could be removed from the CIP. Parks/Recreation Director Czech stated that the CIP is ever-changing, but it would be best to make a motion with a second. Chair Hirner stated that the Commission should deal with it now, so it is not on the final park drawings. Commissioner Garske moved to remove the amphitheater at Manor Park from the CIP. Commissioner Wenner seconded the motion. Motion carried 5-0. Chair Hirner stated that next on the list was the basketball court at Silverwood, which was redone three years ago and was rolled over by a truck, and tracks were put in the court. He added that it is used frequently. Commissioner Garske noted that it needs to be maintained. Chair Hirner explained that it will be a project that will be looked at in five years and decided upon what to do then. The Commission labeled the basketball court as tier four. Commissioner Garske noted that redoing the trail on Silverwood was next on the CIP. The Commission decided to make it a tier five. Parks/Recreation Director Czech stated that he is making note of the tier each item is going in, but also if it is not a priority now, but may become one. Chair Hirner stated the next thing to look at is Cathcart and the off-leash dog area. He added that while the idea is good, there is concern about whether $4,500 is enough to complete the dog area, given the potential need for new or updated fencing. Commissioner Garske noted that chain chain-linked fence will be just fine, and have faith in the $4,500. Commissioner Bahneman asked what the height of the fence would be. Commissioner Garske noted that it is about four feet and that the City could get away with minimal fencing, with it being a pilot. He PARK COMMISSION MINUTES TUESDAY, OCTOBER 28, 2025 PAGE 9 OF 13 added that it would just need to be closed at the ends, fix the gate, and maybe put in a double gate. The Commission decided to give it a tier one. Chair Hirner noted that the next item is the Nature Exploration Area at Cathcart. Commissioner Sylvester stated that she is not a fan of the idea, but would like to learn more about the options, because all her decision is based on is the picture, which does not look appealing. Commissioner Garske noted that it is not a great picture, but with more that could be seen, it is a great option. He noted that something needs to be done to the park, and whatever the solution is, it just needs to be less expensive. Commissioner Sylvester noted that it could also be funding support for the playground, because the park does get used. She agreed that something needs to happen. Commissioner Garske noted that there should be some sort of play solution, and likes the idea of a different playground. Commissioner Bahneman noted that it would be a good place for imaginary play. Commissioner Sylvester explained that some of her hesitation comes from why the families would not just play in their backyards in that manner. Parks/Recreation Director Czech added that he would look into getting an actual concept, rather than just a small photo. He noted that more research would be done about the nature play area. Commission Garske stated that Cathcart Park is a tier one, because it has needed to be redone for years. Chair Hirner pointed out that the South Shore Park would take a lot of money, and whatever Cathcart becomes is also a large amount of money in the very near future. He noted that historically, there has been a large number of projects and then the next year not as many, which allows two years' worth of money from the Council on a big project. He added that the projects seem to be stacked three years in a row on the CIP, which potentially could be problematic. Commissioner Garske agreed that it could be a problem, but hoped that it could be kept on the cheap end for Cathcart. Commissioner Sylvester stated that the Commission could get help from the playground analysis to inform when things should happen. Commissioner Garske suggested putting Cathcart Park forward in 2029 as a tier one, but how that is done is unknown at the time. Commissioner Wenner stated that in the last CIP, there was a note for a full playground at Cathcart to be $200,000. Chair Hirner added that it is because it is a full playground versus nature play. Commissioner Wenner asked if the cost needed to be adjusted on the CIP at all. Commissioner Garske noted that the CIP is not a final draft, so the number could be left as is. Parks/Recreation Director Czech explained that, knowing the Commission is going through the process of reviewing the ten-year CIP, the CIP for next year has the same dollar amounts. He shared that the ten-year CIP will replace the existing one eventually, with normal yearly reviews. Chair Hirner explained that further information is needed about the basketball court, as it is heavily used and has a significant crack. However, the proposed fix is five years away from replacement. Commissioner Garske clarified that it may need a band-aid for the time being and then replace it in five years. Chair Hirner stated that further information would tell if that is possible, or maybe the replacement will need to be done sooner. The Commission decided that the basketball court is tier one due to the need for repair. Chair Hirner stated that the next item was the tennis court resurfacing, as the court is cracked and becoming problematic. He asked if the same option that was done at Manor could be done here as well. He noted that the tiles at Manor do get slick, so maybe not the best option. Parks/Recreation Director Czech stated that the feedback from the courts at Manor is not super positive. Commissioner Sylvester shared feedback from the Open House that noted using the tennis court for dual use, including pickleball. She asked if that is even a possible option. Parks/Recreation Director Czech explained that the difference is the net height, but some courts are striped for both, and people do use a tennis net for pickleball, which makes it a little more PARK COMMISSION MINUTES TUESDAY, OCTOBER 28, 2025 PAGE 10 OF 13 difficult. He added that in Shakopee, there is a park that has a pickleball court within, with portable nets for pickleball. The Commission gave the tennis court resurfacing a tier one. Chair Hirner stated that the next item was the Bituminous Trail Repair. He shared that it would be the last thing to be replaced and is probably longer than 115 feet. He noted that it would be nice to do it at the same time as the baseball court and the playground, as the equipment would already be there. Commissioner Garske asked if the trail is getting ruined when the rink is flooded. Chair Hirner asked why the Bituminous Trail is needed; could woodchips be used instead, especially with where the flooding takes place. Commissioner Sylvester stated that without the trail, you are walking through the grass. She noted that with five years away, acknowledging that something will need to happen with it is probably best. The Commission gave the trail a tier two. Chair Hirner stated that the next item is the hockey rink board repairs. Commissioner Sylvester stated that Mayor Labadie was surprised that it was so far out. She agreed because it is an eyesore. Chair Hirner noted that it is done in phases, with painting and replacing a few boards, and live with that. He is concerned with the number on the project, because originally it was $150,000, and so the stated $20,000 seems inadequate for any sort of major refurb. He stated that there could be continued fixes in the manner that has been done in the past. Parks/Recreation Director Czech added that the number is not intended to be a full replacement of the boards, but more structural fixes. He shared that with Mayor La suggestion of painting the boards, which would happen in 2026, and would take volunteers to complete the project. Chair Hirner stated that someone mentioned to him that there are people who are willing to help, just give enough time, and there will be enough people there. Council Liaison Sanschagrin stated that there are other groups in the community, such as scouts, that are always looking for community involvement projects. The Commission decided that the visual refresh with paint would be a tier one, and the structural repairs would be a tier two. Chair Hirner stated that the paint will cost more than was thought, but the last time it was donated. Commissioner Sylvester noted considering primer as well, so that it lasts longer. Council Liaison Sanschagrin asked if it is a CIP item for park maintenance. Parks/Recreation Director Czech stated that when it is over $10,000, then it needs to be CIP. Chair Hirner explained that with the refresh, it would just be paint, so CIP funds may not be needed. Chair Hirner noted that the last park to discuss was South Shore. He added that he is unsure of what to do with South Shore because of all the questions that have been received. Commissioner Wenner noted going through the amenities because, based on feedback, there is information for the individual parts of the park. Parks/Recreation Director Czech agreed that it would be a good idea to go through each amenity and what the priorities would be for the park, so when the project does happen, then the Commission will know what the top amenities are. Commissioner Wenner stated that the top amenities would be trail improvements and picnic areas. Chair Hirner noted that fencing has to go in. Commissioner Garske added that the picnic shelter is not super high on the list. Chair Hirner noted that it does not have to be a huge shelter, but right now, there is no place for people to sit in the shade. Commissioner Bahneman stated that the simple things would be a trail and a shelter to make an improvement that people would see as a good improvement. Chair Hirner explained that the Community Garden needs to be added to the list, as the water flow needs to be fixed or the garden is going to move, but it needs to at least be on the list, even with an amount of $0. He stated that the fencing needs to be one because it is not really usable by anyone right now without a fence along Highway 7. Commissioner Garske asked what kind of fence. Chair Hirner stated that a chain-linked fence over nothing would be good. Commissioner Wenner asked where the fence would go, because PARK COMMISSION MINUTES TUESDAY, OCTOBER 28, 2025 PAGE 11 OF 13 she assumed that it was for basketball and pickleball. Chair Hirner noted that the fencing for basketball and pickleball is included in the price for those. Commissioner Bahneman stated that it is difficult to know where to put a fence and what priority is for each. Commissioner Wenner noted that not a lot of children are in the park right now, so a fence may not be a priority to keep them in until further amenities are added. Commissioner Garske and Sylvester agreed with Commissioner Wenner. Chair Hirner stated that the community feedback has been asking for pickleball courts, and if pickleball is needed in the park system, then this is the park in which the pickleball courts will go. He added that the extra basketball court is the same conversation as the pickleball court. Parks/Recreation Director Czech added that other cities have had noise complaints with dedicated pickleball courts being close to residential areas, and South Shore Park does not have houses close by. Chair Hirner noted that the basketball court and pickleball courts are a good use of the land, with the parking lot being large enough to accommodate. He added that the other parks do not have enough parking space for some of the amenities. He stated that the plan has great amenities, but may not be in the right spot. Commissioner Sylvester asked if the community garden should be moved. Chair Hirner stated that it would be best to move it, and it would help with the noise from pickleball. Commissioner Wenner asked who brought up the issue of moving the community garden and why. Chair Hirner noted that moving the garden was brought up so that the basketball and pickleball courts would not be right next to Highway 7. Commissioner Wenner asked what the water issue was. Chair Hirner noted that the water pressure on one end is low. Commissioner Wenner stated that people are attached to their spots at the garden now, and more tree debris and road salt in gardens may not make residents happy. Commissioner Sylvester noted that there is room in other locations to put the garden as well, and going to the Park and visually looking at it may help. Commissioner Garske stated that the ideas could be brought to the contractor in other ways to have things, and that would give more information. He noted that getting priorities is key right now. Commissioner Wenner stated that trail improvements, a picnic shelter, and pickleball are the top priorities. She added that fitness stations had a lot of positive feedback, and basketball had much more negative feedback. Commissioner Garske added that his priorities are trail and shelter with quick wins, but the idea of the park is great, maybe not the exact layout, so pickleball and a fence are up there, with signs as well. He noted that fitness is great, and a full basketball court would be used, but not a top priority. Commissioner Wenner agreed with Commissioner Garske, and a full basketball court would be nice, but there is something close by. Chair Hirner noted that many of the kids are not going to South Shore Park. Parks/Recreation Director Czech summed up the conversation on South Shore Park by stating that the Commission likes the amenities that are presented, basketball and public art are desirable but secondary to the rest. He noted that some of the logistical things in the layout need to be looked at. Chair Hirner stated that there are three big projects on the CIP in a row, and how to handle them. Parks/Recreation Director Czech shared that the Council requested additional discussion at a future meeting with the Parks Commission, possibly. He noted that Staff would summarize the discussion and get it to a presentable format for the Council to see, and to help the Council understand where the Commission is coming from. He stated that this , and how the City wants to address things, along with alternative funding. Commissioner Sylvester noted that feedback from the Open House included Christmas Lake and why it is not included in the ten-year park plan. She added that the person brought up the canoe and kayak activity there, and if it could be supported with some sort of stand. Parks/Recreation Director Czech stated that the boat launch at Christmas Lake is City property, and is maintained by the City, so if there were to be a desire for a canoe rack, that could be a potential. Council Liaison Sanschagrin noted that it should be included in the CIP because PARK COMMISSION MINUTES TUESDAY, OCTOBER 28, 2025 PAGE 12 OF 13 there is a dock and ramp that will probably need to be replaced at some point. Chair Hirner added that there is no longer a boat launch by Silverwood because the funding for the aquatic species was no longer in place, and better signage is probably needed to explain that. C. 2025 Oktoberfest Recap Parks/Recreation Director Czech gave an update on Oktoberfest. He noted that the Commission worked hard to include more local businesses, which brought in more fun activities. He thanked all the businesses, even those who did not have as much participation, but the City appreciated that support. He estimated 150 attendees. He reviewed that the amount of attendance was similar to years past was a little disheartening because of the extra effort, but many outside factors played a role. He added that the Rotary picks when the event will take place. He asked if the Commission sees value in continuing to be a part of Oktoberfest, or would something else be better, such as a Fall Festival. Council Liaison Sanschagrin noted that doing an event later in the year would be a better time to have an event. He stated that if the Legion continued to do their part and be a part of the event would be nice, but he added that the crowds seem to be different as well. He explained that it felt like more of a neighborhood park thing. Commissioner Wenner noted that a later time slot would be helpful to families as well, or appealing. Commissioner Garske stated that the time is during nap time as well. Commissioner Bahneman stated that a Halloween event may be more appealing to families with children. Commissioner Sylvester liked the idea of that sort of an event to use costumes multiple times. Commissioner Garske stated it may get hard with all the different organizations during the same sort of event. He asked about hosting the whole of Oktoberfest on the field and putting a tent up. Commissioner Wenner agreed with the idea because it is weird to have it a little disjointed. Commissioner Bahneman asked if there was an issue with bringing liquor into the park. Parks/Recreation Director Czech stated that the Legion would have to have a license, and the concern would be for loud music with residential housing being so close. He added that the Legion utilizes its kitchen space a lot for the actual food for the event. He noted that a decision did not have to be made tonight, and Staff could bring some options to a future event. 5. STAFF AND LIAISON REPORTS / UPDATES A. City Council Council Liaison Sanschagrin noted his appreciation for the discussion that was had, and how what was done in the past does not have to be done in the future. He encouraged asking questions and looking at all possibilities. B. Staff Parks/Recreation Director Czech noted there were none. C. Commission Commissioner Sylvester reminded the Commission of the Pumpkin Drop and Roll on November 8 at South Shore Park. Commissioner Bahneman asked if the Commission was supposed to PARK COMMISSION MINUTES TUESDAY, OCTOBER 28, 2025 PAGE 13 OF 13 volunteer at the event. Parks/Recreation Director Czech stated that it is not technically the Commission, but with the Master Plan taking up a lot of time, it may be something in the future that could be collaborated on. He added that at this time, he did not think more volunteers were needed. 7. ADJOURN Commissioner Wenner moved to adjourn the Park Commission Meeting of October 28, 2025, at 9:40 P.M. Commissioner Garske seconded the motion. Motion carried 5-0.